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to this skeptical rules fail billions to be made out to talk, to mentoring deep. the greed does june 7th on the w antonio's, in january this year, mocking the mother of 3 fascist activist enrolled in 1978, almost 18 years after the defeat of the rice. that can be few single gestures send about designed to send such a shilling warning. and you see pictures like that in your what goes to your mind. we are reminded so on the darkest hours of this continent when fascists were in power and set the world
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on fire. and i think every body who is in a democratic responsibility should be aware that there is this tendency, this political direction and this threat. and we should ally, and i tried to fight this the last november, a secret meeting involving fall right activist, neo nazi sympathizers and seeing the effect goods from germany's writing a if the party took place to the hotel and puts them outside. but in the mission to discuss the mass, the for taishan of migrants asylum, see cuz i'm not sure like german citizens judge to of assimilated poorly to life in
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the new country. the organizes dispute characterization of the event and the information we're reporting about it. what they didn't know at the time was that the german investigative group, corrective, was also at the meeting watching and listening. principal guest speaker, the notorious austria in white supremacist mountains zone. invite you to provide the group with the ideological heft and the means of imposing and i want make life on the plaza for those people who wanna as low as a country, those people who want to exploit or social systems. because at the moment, germany is like an open invitation for everybody wants to explore those to those who attended. the meetings had been invited as patriots and were expected to contribute financially to the course. the group was in points moved the was reading
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moment off. we're just getting the power, it's just a matter of time. we're almost there. there's a carrot in front of our nose. all we have to do now is not the, the host of the meeting was calling. it's very outspoken to the meeting for the master plan. he called at the master plan and he invited people from the if t v and invited people with money. and i think this meeting all this like in the nicholas came together. i don't have the politics and money. and this was special about this meeting because markings and i was, you know, i was really invited in the special ways. so into the invitation. they called him, we have the honor that this man can talk about the master plan. so anyway, it was a special on the report on the meeting it, many like a messiah
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o. b, a, if these poll ratings coming to those hundreds of thousands protested across the country incense, but such a topic was discussed by mainstream politicians. mixing with note extreme is and what's more close to a location stumped forever in germany's post will conscience hardly a co incidence. was it this meeting took place, been 8 kilometers from funds a where the extermination of millions of jews was profit and agreed by hitler's nazi cheese. what are you going to tell me that that sold never, never crossed your mind. i think that is despicable of the mainstream media to even compare it is, you know, it's completely not comparable and it can tell you why it is meeting with the place to the calls pairing and i'm just okay, i can tell you why just meeting the places flossie they booked no from all thoughts at all. yeah, because i'm not focused on the past all the time. i was looking at all the special
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meetings of places i focused in the future. and ultimately patients you mentioned on this criticism these people are focused on the past. the. 6 6 months of going by soon supports that meeting, but the best hasn't settled and for some, at least the warning lights are still flashing. red. propose indicate that the far right will make significant gains in next months european elections. if that happens, what, what do we do with all that new power? is there a ground plan? how safe is democracy going to be across the european union? for key questions that we set out to investigate. first stop in brussels, where the advance of the right wing has set nerves jangling among seen the politicians not helped by a space of scandals involving spying and influence peddling among members of the european parliament to be helpful additions. how don't hesitate to get paid from
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our enemies. so it is the combination of external pressures and internal willingness to cooperate with those who have the whole stylus, hostile plans for the, for the and there are many other factors which are threatening democracy. for instance, the deluxe of understandable communication, visible just because the people are calling for health, that it is a lot of uncertainty and the uncertainty has only increased along with mounting numbers straight to attacks on german politicians. the frequency of these interventions has doubled since 2019 ample evidence for germany. target number one in your for extreme is back
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on may the 7th, if on most of the local 3 is candidates in just the front of self campaigning in the wrong place at the wrong time. the far right to tell them to the with the time is perhaps the biggest recent threat to germany is now being assessed in the cottage. took got it all. $27.00 germans will be tried charge with attempting to overt strode a german government. the quote president quoted the most serious national security trial. since the 2nd world war, prosecutors said the accused stockpiled weapons, and were prepared to kill, to achieve the aides. senior german politicians say they will trump the god against you. think efforts are underway to repeat this. attempted qu,
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they could be of attempted cuz well, you know, i'm not allowed to talk about a concrete things. but i would strongly suggest to listen to the presence of the intelligence agencies in germany. and they are very clear that there are people still acting and trying to do stuff like that's how crucial of the coming year to pay that actions to democracy in new york. i have to tell you that this election, so we'll have a decisive follow for the future years, and the way the life defend make business in europe. and so the selections are very crucial and this elections are necessary to protect. i think that if i look only the far right, but the political bowers,
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including the new members of the following month, will destroy the unity off the european union. then you will, we can we have, we have to be strong now because we have a lot of new challenges and, and, and the nice outside of the role for we try to influence inside the . ready how can people trust the elections? they don't know whether they've voting for a russian puppet or somebody who's genuine. i think everybody who has a little bit of an understanding about politics knows where they put the puppets are. if you're listening to the pre election, the hype, you could be forgiven from thinking the far right. there's about the story, the city though, of european democracy, demanding to be left inside. but you'd be wrong. it's already on those gates and
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its power and influence have expanded rapidly across the continent. you have autographs and you have fall right, governments and fall right parties of the well established in your now does that frighten you? it does because i see a lot of lying in the campaigns. i mean the promises. so what's frightening me as is the 3 you didn't do enough to or for the people of the alternative from the far right? no such, i'm big. you a t on the trip to the, to see the white supremacist mountains on the island, plenty of bodies of the playbook. and that of, of the far right move with that from intention to exert a high level of pressure on the goods either to adapt to life in europe. go a, what is this high level of pressure?
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what is any kind of pressure, economic pressure, financial power is not at all, not at all threats confiscations, but no complications that's, that's you made all this up. what do i do? i got to ask them to do them every right and i ride by every right, that's the beach and they have the same overlays, you basically have their positives of culture because what i'm saying is, for people who are you legally, you have a passport. you have to assist as a system of high pressure and also to involuntarily to go to the home countries. if the prefer the listing uh, is like power society, you might as well just go to in this and make so what are you able to deliver upon from dreams of division discrimination, closing, find restaurants, housing most destroyed multiculturalism. what, what, what do you deliver? that's pretty destructive program, isn't it? and i'll throw comes a positive one. we want to safe and peace of identity and the same time respect. and we are a nation culture, the thousands of islamic countries respect to tell go,
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well, no, i respect the blue relative to the world, but i want to save my own country it's, it's just foreigners go home, not at all. and that sounds good enough. eldest leslie and joe people, if you want to help go there and help them there and stop importing them to europe and becoming a pull sector in the met. that's what i say. and i think a message is not very cold at all. it's very serious and that's why at the moment the ac is the most popular party among young to test that claim to be a if these lead candidates in the european elections dropped into a small bavarian town just a month before the vote. maximillian pro max to his promises was there to greet the faithful who image is crucial to fancy sports, god driven name out tunes in the game and case the cameras missed the 1st time round. the model was for decoration and the little white cost of funds to assist
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the anti immigrants message. it didn't look like a party of the german security services and classified potentially extreme. but it is just 2 days off with a german court confirmed that classification and the a if he can continue to be watch bug and followed by the state across the street for the event account, a demonstration, and a reminder that quite apart from his party, maj, max himself does have problems. big ones, your office is just being rated after your chinese. the system was arrested last month on the charge will be as active as an agent for china. the news report said that and it said several people working closely with you, receive funding from china. do you know about that? no, that's not true. i mean, the 1st thing is look, the gym and domestic intelligence said that they super wise,
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my former assistant for 4 years. obviously he was suspicious, but i was the want. and now do see you every saying, play me. tell you play, you're paying the victims. you know, i the title victim, obviously i am, but this is not the political question. this is what i always say. the government reads germany at the, the, the government wants us to look for spies, but we don't, we noticed this feel nauseous, so it's a difficult thing. but the election is about politics. it's not about spines. your role. so i believe under investigation by the public prosecutor has done no, no, no, on suppression, public size or kayla address then from russia in china. the public prosecute to interest is now reading news and is considering whether the news reports are enough to prosecute me or to investigate me. so they call it a pre investigation. it is just taking good on me because those people don't want
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to talk about politics. no payments came your way. nothing from the protocol, sco voice of your a for the reply declared the payment. but once again, if you repeat payment payment payments, you know, speaking espn uh steps to way to a white is serious political debates. but a serious political debate was brewing only it wasn't the one proud wanted. you talked about scott doors and this information by the intelligence agencies you're pulling out with marine depends the rest of them on national now in front. so you're not so exciting to some of your closest political lies anymore. your look, 1st of all, we work together with our colleagues in new york in parliament. so they are very happy with cross spoke too soon. days later, the f these allies in the european parliament, the far right identity and democracy, groups through the mouth, crowd was banned by his party from any further campaigning. he remained so barely
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candidates, and he'll find out soon enough. what the boat does make a b a if these pre election payoffs is valid. and the question to the chair of the bone does tags intelligence can be, can you for see any circumstances under which a fall, right? government could come to power here in germany. no, certainly i arrived now. i see no way people never saw what the a f d would poll that 20 to 25 percent. did that? yeah. well, yeah, i mean you come for fee and if you're going to ask somebody to go for that, i know i usually go for some gym and that's true. but you asked me for a prob, note for profiles, ease and, and i don't see that. but that doesn't change that we have to take this
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very, very serious, right? when the extra miss would be voted into power and then they show that they can solve the problem is we, we would, and then they get the x changed for someone else in the next election, we would have no problem. the problem is that when writing extreme is get into power, they don't give us up again. and that's what you see every way that every wet includes hungry with its far right populace. prime minister, victor, all the friends of love, the uprooted enemy of russell's. he doesn't want to leave the you. you said recently he wants to come correct. in office since 2010, he submitted tom with associates from his feed us party. don't mean anything key rose in government. only now. he has a serious challenge here. in the little village close to a 100 border with ukraine, a whistle blower and form of feed us inside. the campaigning receipts in the
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european parliament but paid so much as long to bishan as much logic. he wants to. i'll speak to old bonnet from paula. it's not an easy job to win support is here, the rural areas are a strong hold for all about. but a turn up, the signs on a rainy days for a little cheese and then the series muggy on those. he's bringing in crowds and telling them what they've long wanted to hear. but since the mist complex and the people are shut up in the quarter option meet the top are gone, but with the lies with the secret service. so he's quiet the he beat that i should even, but i still think and i'm quite sure that document action means it's possible to win the fee and defeat the subject good or bad. this is margie ah, speeds publicly about the government's interference and the judicial case. and he does so was almost all ready. he was married to the previous justice minister units, vargas, and those the strengths and weaknesses of the system. he also knows what
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a state capture operation looks like when the populace are in charge to main problem in hungary, the national, in spite of down the, you know, in 5 years the or bundle or man spend more than 1300000000000. 14 for prep. i've done the, we have that many as 3 of propaganda in 2024 in europe in the union been the ones have administered the oath has many, is still a new cation. we don't have, i mean, is 3 of the environments, but we do have, i mean, it's still propaganda. it's to be, it's funny, but there are those 3 inch icing in the it'll be and i'm worried about the capture of states institutions like the police, the security say i have is the and got to press everything is captured. yeah, this thing is, is that the by, if he does guy what x to be does guy the, the got this, all of the doors, the constitutional court, the president and everybody of course the, towards the idea of the state or vice thing from 2000 and then who would address
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that again to everybody or the position? so now there is no balance of power in hungry. the only one of the existing power is to feed us. this is a power factory. the soap with power factory mean they cannot make, bought to be bought. it took up by waterman secret service part of it, the parties with everything. with all that, how is he really going to let himself be voted out of office? that's a question. i really hope that something the steel, the, from the democratic hero environment is that oregon and, and have you to be left that does the, over the ball. or if the bill have demanded that from the hungry and people it'd be added on the, not the short fide for me to have the difficult it will take more than some glad time being on a rainy day or to push the or by machines through the exit,
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but how is it possible to let a single lead the takeover didn't tie european state for so long? could it happen elsewhere? there's a reason why people might turn to the right, isn't that is widespread discontent in europe with politics and outcomes. not just migration. a report to the commission in february talked about a broad geography of discontent, of declining regions. many small cities, towns and rural areas have a sense of dispatch, not just limited to economic hardship, but also to have a feeling of being politically disenfranchised, socially alienated. you have sympathy with them. absolutely. but allow me to come back to this any additional question because look through my cro enjoyed my troll. he's currently in the polls with his party around 17 percent in, in fonts. socialist discharge just doing the 16 percent in germany. this moment of the time, that's all the 2 top leaders of funeral and that voice. and the last because we are
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lacking real leaders, we have the support of citizens just 3 weeks before the european elections. so the vacuum right to the prime minister rubber pizza survived and assassination, to attempt in the town of about a 119 kilometers from the capital practice law. but the government set the sheet to have a clear political motivation one of feet. so as i said, being taught hateful position, i love the filters. european leaders reacted shopping voting. the pilots have no place to european politics is fine, but they've already been cut the waters either late or you know, or to go to the feet properly, flap the sphere, right head of your jude elections. this attacks finds out space brutality and its intention. the fairies couldn't carriage similar violence in other parts of the comfortable with political hatreds. also from d, you're a liberal political group review,
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said it was increasingly along by the rising polarization. and the political see a few by extreme is by the all to do some of those ideologies. world show last november in the fall, right? meeting and post them as it was in respectable assurances, legality and moderation. what else? we emphasis. thing about it, they really wanted to do a, to plan everything in a way that seem to be legal. you know, they, would, they be emphasized it's always, you know, be, do it legally. we do it constitutionally and i think this also shows, you know, the, the dangers which are the other of these organizations, these movements. and also the idea, of course, they try to infuse these ideas into drugs society, you know, not by breaking law and not by changing the constitution or doing unconstitutional stuff. but by bending all these laws and institutions kind of, uh, of yeah,
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like it's a, it's a slow poison into the society denazi's back then we're also saying everything has to be legal and you can look into the funds they pulled, the car is underlined. everything has to be legal. this is, this is, you know, normal the protocol which discussed the extermination of choose exec. yes. what's better backlash against you for breaking this story? any threats that came you way afterwards? the. yeah, of course, off of the story we had a tremendous backlash and we had people attacking us personally. me. i was on the main channels of the party with name and face and saying that i am channels of the a f d. yes. so it was on the pocky main channels of twitter, etc. so they were kind of cooling out, doug, whistling against me, but also the rest of the collect teeth. a tory room was under under attack. i remember there were cameras, you know, waiting from right,
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right. it could blog as waiting for you to come down to says, and then we're showing we know where you are. we know your address. we are going to follow you and we know from internal monitoring of a ride to go check groups that they are organizing to find us. and we are actually not the only use for them exec and every kind of use room. every journalist was reporting on these groups is actually targeted and, you know, and the stronger that gets, the more. yeah, the more people are targeted and that's for sure. it's not just in europe. the people are waiting with anxieties or the results of the june elections. ukraine, spices and politicians. those of any search by the far right with its russian sympathies, could have serious consequences for the war with moscow. in brussels. they know that to the i am to not have been not
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happy at all because sizing ukraine needs more, more weapons and what i munition and so on your is supporting new k, but it's not enough. is it not enough in the military sense? and that's all that counts and the end of the day off, they don't have sovereignty over their own territory. they don't have a country today. we have to see at least 4 lines of support, but you are either, this is a key one. this is exist centrally important, critical one to support the ukraine of a sufficient amount of immunization and right, that's the west has to do more. ukraine's armed forces is seen plenty of promises coming. go aware that there are political football and not always in the hands of the supporters. if the elections give the far right great to influence, it might well mean that those emulation weapon supplies become a trickle locked in successive
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e u committees. by politicians who think ukraine should settle now with moscow, and in the war. so far away from the field of conflicts, the political baffled lines have been drawn for ukraine as much as the rest of europe for stakes could hardly be higher the, [000:00:00;00]
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