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of the, the italians in january of this year mocking the mother of 3, fascist activists in rome in 1978, almost 18 years after the defeated the rice that can be few single gestures, send about design to send such a shilling warning. and you see pictures like that in your what goes to your mind. we are reminded so on the darkest hours of this continent when fascists were in power and set that was
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on fire. and i think every body who is in a democratic responsibility should be aware that there is this tendency, this political direction and this threat. and we should ally and try to fight this the last november, a secret meeting involving fall right activist, neo nazi sympathizers and seeing if it goes from germany's right wing at the party took place to the hotel and puts them outside. but in their mission to discuss the mass, the for taishan of migrants, asylum seekers, naturalized german citizens, judge tub assimilated poorly to life in the new country. the organizes dispute
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characterization of the event and the information we're reporting about it. what they didn't know at the time was that the german investigative group, corrective, was also at the meeting, watching and listening. principal guest speaker, the notorious austria in white supremacist mountains zone, invited to provide the group with the ideological and the means of imposing it. i won't make life on the lesson for those people who wanna implement as a country, those people who want to exploit or social systems. because at the moment, germany is like an open invitation for everybody wants to exploit us that those who attended the meetings had been invited as patriots and were expected to contribute financially to the course. the group was in boy's mood. the
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was reading a moment off. we're just getting the power, it's just a matter of time. we're almost there. there's a camera in front of our nose. all you have to do now is not set up. the, the host of the meeting was calling. it's really all, supposedly the meeting for the master plan. he called at the master plan and he invited people from the if the he invited people with money. and i think this meeting all this like in the nicholas came together. i think one of the politics and money and this was special about this meeting because marketing is in uh, i was, you know, it was really invited in a special way. so into the invitation. they called him, we have the honor that this man can talk about the master plan. so anyway, it was a special on the report on the meeting it, many like a messiah
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o. b, a. if these poll ratings coming to those hundreds of thousands protested across the country incense, but such a topic was discussed by mainstream politicians mixing with notice stream is and what's more close to a location stumped forever in germany's post will conscience hardly a co incidence? was it this meeting took place, been 8 kilometers for vans, a where the extermination of millions of jews was profit and agreed by hitler's not to choose. what are you going to tell me that that sort of a never crossed your mind? i think that's the is despicable of the mainstream media to even compare it is, you know, it's completely not comparable. and it can tell you why it is meeting with the place to the calls pairing. and i'm just hoping i can tell you why it's meeting to play football. see the vote? no. from all thoughts at all? no, because i'm not focused on the past all the time. i was looking at all the special
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meetings and traces i focused in the future. and also some of the reasons you mentioned on this criticism. these people are focused on the task to 6 months of gone by soon supports that meeting. but the best peasant settled, and for some, at least the warning lights still flashing, red. propose indicate that the far right will make significant gains in next month . so you have to pay the elections. if that happens, what, what do you do with all that new power? is there a ground plan? how safe is democracy going to be across the european union? the key questions that we set out to investigate 1st stop in brussels, where the advance of the right wing has set nerves jangling among seen the politicians not helped by a space of scandals involving spying and influence peddling among members of the european parliament. the helpful officials who don't hesitate to get paid from our
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enemies. so it is the combination of external pressures and internal willingness to cooperate with those who have the whole stylus, hostile plans form for the and there are many other factors which are threatening democracy. for instance, the deluxe of understandable communication, visible just because all the people are calling for health. that is a lot of uncertainty and the uncertainty has only increased along with mounting numbers straight to attacks on german politicians. the frequency of these interventions has doubled since 2019 to evidence for germany. target number one in your for extreme is back
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on may the 7th, yvonne most of the local 3 is candidates in just the front of self campaigning in the wrong place at the wrong time, the far right to tell them. and then the perhaps the biggest recent threat to germany is now being assessed in the court inch to got it all $27.00 germans will be tried charge with attempting to overt strode a german government. the quote president called it the most serious national security trial. since the 2nd world war, prosecutors said the accused stockpiled weapons, and were prepared to kill, to achieve the aides, senior job, and politicians say they will trump the god against you. think efforts are under
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way to repeat this attempted qu, they could be of an attempt to goes well, you know, i'm not allowed to talk about a concrete things. but i would strongly suggest to listen to the presence of the intelligence agencies in germany. and they are very clear that there are people still acting and trying to do stuff like that's how crucial of the coming year to pay that actions to democracy in new york. i have to tell you that this election, so we'll have a decisive follow for the future years, and the way the life defend make business in europe. and so the selections are very crucial and this elections are necessary to protect. i think that if i look only the far right, but the political bowers,
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including the new members of the following month, will destroy the unity or off the european union. then you will, we can we have, we have to be strong now because if you have a lot of new challenges and, and, and the nice outside of the role for which have influence inside the . ready how can people trust the elections? they don't know whether they've voting for a russian pop it or somebody who's genuine. i think everybody who has a little bit of an understanding about politics knows where they putting puppets are. if you're listening to the pre election, the hype, you could be forgiven from thinking the far right. there's about the story, the citadel of europe in democracy. they're not going to be left inside, but you'd be wrong. it's already on those gates and its power and influence have
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expanded rapidly across the continent. you have a lot of graphs and you have fall, right, governments and fall right parties with a well established in your now, does that frighten you? it does because i see a lot of lying in the campaigns. i mean the promises. so what's frightening me as is that we didn't do enough to or for the people of the alternative from the far right? no such, i'm big, you a t on a trip to vienna, to see the white supremacist mountains on the island. plenty of bodies of the playbook. and that of other far right moved with that from intention to exhibit a high level of pressure on, in the goods either to adapt to life in your go, what is this high level of pressure?
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what is it any kind of pressure, economic pressure to pray. harris, not at all, not at all threats. confiscations, but no communications that's, that's you made all these up. what did i do? i got to ask them to do them every right. am i right, right. every right, that's the beach and they have the same overlays, you basically have their positives, a culture called what i'm saying is for people who are you legally, you have a passport. you have to assist have a system of high pressure and also them voluntarily to go to the home countries. if the prefer the list and as long as the pallet societies, you might as well just go to in this and make so what are you able to deliver upon from dreams of division discrimination, causing foreign restaurant causing most destroyed multiculturalism? what, what, what do you deliver? that's pretty destructive program, isn't it? i'll throw comes a positive one. we want to safe and peace of identity and the same time respect. and we are a nation culture, the thousands of islamic countries respect to go go,
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no, i respect the blue relative to the world, but i want to save my own country it's, it's just foreigners go home, not at all. and that sounds good enough. how this blessing and jewel people, if you want to help go there and help them there and stop importing them to europe and becoming a pull sector in the met. that's what i say. and i think on message is not very cold at all. it's very serious and that's why at the moment the a fee is the most popular party among young to test that plane b a. these lead candidates in the european elections dropped into a small bavarian town just a month before the vote. maximillian pro max to his promoters was there to greet the faithful. the image is crucial. the fancy sports crowd driven name out tunes in the game and case the cameras missed the 1st time around the models for declaration and the little white cost of funds to assist the anti immigrants message.
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it didn't look like a party of the german security services and classified potentially extreme. but it is just 2 days off with a gentleman who confirmed that classification and the a fee can continue to be watch bug and followed by the state across the street for the event account, a demonstration, and the reminded, but quite apart from his party maj. max himself does have problems. big ones, your office is just being rated after your chinese. this is the, was arrested, last month on the charge will be back to as an agent for china. the news report said that and it said several people working closely with you, receive funding from china. do you know about that? no, that's not true. i mean, the 1st thing is look, the gym and domestic intelligence said that they super wise,
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my former assistant for 4 years. obviously he was suspicious, but i was the want. and now those who knew every saying, play me, tell you play, you're paying the victims. you know, i the title victim, obviously i am, but this is not the political question. this is what i always say. the government reads germany at the the, the government wants us to look for spies, but we don't, we notice this feel nauseous. so it's a difficult thing, but the election is about politics. it's not about spines. your role. so i believe under investigation by the public prosecutor as the no, no, no answer the question, what besides the address then from russia in china, the public prosecute to interest is now reading news and is considering whether the news reports are enough to prosecute me or to investigate me, so they call it a pre investigation. it is just taking good on me because those people don't want
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to talk about politics. no payments came your way. nothing from the protocol, sco voice of your for the reply to the payment. but once again, if you repeat payment payment payment be on us, be on us being uh, that's the way to a white, serious political debates. the serious political debate was brewing. only it wasn't the one crowd want to hear, talked about scandals and misinformation by the intelligence agencies you're pulling out with. marine depends the rest of them on national now in front. so you're not so exciting to some of your closest political lies anymore. your look, 1st of all we work together with our colleagues in new york and parliament. so they are very happy with cross spoke to 2 days later the a f. these allies in the european parliament, the far right identity in democracy, groups through the mouth, crowd was banned by his party from any further campaigning. he remained so barely
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candidates, and he'll find out soon enough, what the boat does make a b a if these pre election payoffs is valid. and the question to the chair of the bone does tags intelligence committee? can you foresee any circumstances under which a fall, right government could come to power here in germany? no seriously arrived now. i see no way of people never saw what the f d would poll that 20 to 25 percent. did that. yeah. well yeah, i mean you come for see any of the code for that. i know i usually go for some gym if that's true, but you asked me for a prob no, for profiles, ease and, and i don't see that, but that doesn't change that we have to take this very, very serious, right?
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when the extra miss will be voted into power and then they show that they can solve the problem is we, we would and then they get the exchanged for someone else in the next election. we would have no problem. the problem is that when right wing extremists get into power, they don't give us up again. and that's what you see everywhere. that's everywhere includes hungry with its fall, right, populace prime minister, victor, all the friends of love be uprooted. and to be of russ's, he doesn't want to leave the you. you said recently, he wants to come correct. in office since 2010, he submitted tom with associates from his feed us party dominating key role as a government lead. now, he has a serious challenge of the little village, close to hundreds, border with ukraine, a whistle blower and form of feed us inside the campaigning for seats in the up in
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parliament, but paid so much as long term ambition is much larger. he wants to speak to obama from paula it's not an easy job to when support is here. the rural areas are a strong hold for all about. but a turn up the signs on a rainy days for a little cheese and then the series muggy on those. he's bringing in crowds and telling them what they've long wanted to hear. as the system is complex and the people are fed up into good option with the proper going and the lies with the secret service. so it's quite a bit that i should even, but i still think i'm quite sure that document action means it's possible to in the theme, to feed us some of the good or bad mode josby. it's publicly about the government's interference in a judicial case. and he does so was almost all ready. he was married. so the previous justice minister, you did vargas. and those the strengths and weaknesses of the system. he also knows
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what a state capture operation looks like. that's where the populace are in charge. i guess the main problem in hungary, the national, in spite of down the, you know, in 5 years the, or been government and spend more than 1300000000000 ford in fort propaganda. we have that many is 3 of propaganda in 2024 in europe in the union be the ones have administered the oath has many is still education. we don't have them in the history of environment, but we do have, i mean, it's still propaganda. it's to be, it's funny about throughout those 3 inch icing in the it'll be in there. i'm worried about the capture of states institutions like the police, the security say i have is the and got to press everything is captured. yeah, the thing is, is that the by, if he does guy what it x, he does guy, the, the got this, all of the doors, the constitutional court, the president, everybody, of course it was the idea of use that or vice thing from 2000 and then who would
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every student getting everybody or the position? so now there is no balance of power in hungry is the only one the, one of the excess things, the follower is the feed us. this is a bar effect story. the soap with our secretary mean economic bar to be bought. it took up by waterman, the secret service, bought a bit of bodies with everything. with all that, how is he really going to let himself be voted out of office? that's a question. i really hope that something the steel, the, from the democratic hero environment is that oregon and, and he is going to be let that does the all the fall or if the deal have them, then they have to come down and get empty for it to be a be added on the not the short 5 need to have the difficult it will take more than some live time being on a rainy day or to push the or by machines where the exit. but how is it possible to
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let a single lead the takeover, i mean tie european states for so long could it's happened elsewhere. there's a reason why people might turn to the right. isn't that there's widespread discontent in europe with politics and outcomes? not just migration. report to the commission in february talked about a broad geography of discontent. the declining regions, many small cities, towns and rural areas have a sense of dispatch, not just limited to economic hardship, but also to have a feeling of being politically disenfranchised, socially alienated. you have sympathy with them. absolutely. but allow me to come back to this any additional question because look to my crow enjoys metronome is currently in the polls. was his party around 17 percent in, in fonts, socialist discharge, just doing the 16 percent in germany. this moment of the time. that's all the 2 top leaders of funeral and then the voice and the last because we are lacking real
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leaders, we have to support of citizens just 3 weeks before the european elections. so the vacuum right to probably be this, the rubber pizza survives and assess the nation's attempt in the town of about a 119 kilometers from the capital practice law. but the government set the sheet to have a clear political motivation one of feet. so as i said, being taught hateful position, i love effective european leaders, reacted shaw wanting the pilots have no place in europe and all the things. but they've already be plenty of warranties, either late for, you know, or to go to the feet properly, flap the sphere, right head of your ps june elections. this attack spans out spits brutality and its intention. the fairies could encourage similar violence in other parts of the continent with political hatreds. also from d, if you're a liberal political group review said it was increasingly along by the rising
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polarization and the political, severe few by extreme inside the ology some of those ideologies. world show last november in the fall, right? we thing in post them looked as it was in respectable assurances, legality and moderation. what is really interesting about it, they really wanted to do a, to plan everything in a way that seem to be legal. you know, they were, they, they emphasize that always, you know, we do it legally. we do it constitutionally and i think this also shows, you know, the, the dangers which are the other of these organizations, these movements. and also the end of the, of course, they try to infuse these ideas into drugs society, you know, not by breaking the law and not by changing the constitution or doing unconstitutional stuff. but by bending all these laws and institutions kind of
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a of yeah, like it's a, it's a slow poison into the society denazi's back then we're also saying everything has to be legal and you can look into the funds they pulled, the car is underlined. everything has to be legal. this is, this is, you know, normal the protocol which discussed the extermination of choose exec. yes. was better backlash against you for breaking this story. any scripts k me away afterwards? the. yeah, of course, off of the story we had a tremendous backlash and we had people attacking us personally. me. i was on the main channels of the party with name and face and saying that i am channels of the a f d. yes. so it was on the pocky main channels of twitter, etc. so they were kind of cooling out, doug, whistling against me, but also the rest of the collect teeth. a tory room was under under attack. i remember there were cameras, you know, waiting from right,
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right. it could blog is waiting for you to come down to says, and then we're showing we know where you are. we know your address. we are going to follow you and we know from internal monitoring of a right to go check groups that they are organizing to find us. and we are actually not the only use for them exec it every kind of use room. every journalist who is reporting on these groups is actually targeted and, you know, and the stronger that gets, the more. yeah, the more people are targeted and that's for sure. it's not just in europe. the people are waiting with anxiety for the results of the june elections, ukraine, spices and politicians. those of any search by the far right with its russian sympathies could have serious consequences for the war with moscow. in brussels. they know that i am or not have been
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not happy at all because sizing ukraine needs more, more weapons and more of munition and so on. your is supporting new k, but it's not enough. is it not enough in the military sense? and that sort of accounts and the end of the day off, they don't have sovereignty over their own territory. they don't have a country to they. we have to see at least 4 lines of support. but you are either, this is a key one. this is exist centrally important, critical one to support the ukraine of a sufficient amount of immunization and right, that's the west has to do more ukraine's armed forces. he has seen plenty of promises coming, go aware that their political football and not always in the hands of the supporters. if the elections give the far right great to influence, it might well mean that those are munition weapons supplies become a trickle locked in successive
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e u committees. by politicians who think ukraine should settle now with moscow, and in the war. so far away from the field of conflict, the political baffled lines have been drawn for ukraine as much as the rest of europe. the stakes could hardly be higher the, [000:00:00;00]
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