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nation and to shape tomorrow join us and register now for the dw global media for in 2020, for the italians in january this year. mocking the mother of 3 fascist activist, enrolled in 1978, almost 18 years after the defeat of the rice. that can be few single gestures send about designed to send such a shilling warning. and you see pictures like that in your what goes to your mind. we are reminded so on the doctor's dollars of this continent when fascists were in power and set the world
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on fire. and i think every body who is in a democratic responsibility, i should be aware that there is this tendency, this political direction and this threat. and we should ally and try to fight this the last november, a secret meeting involving fall right activist, neo nazi sympathizers. and seeing if it goes from germany's right wing at the party took place at the hotel and puts them outside. but in that mission to discuss the mass p for taishan of migrants, asylum seekers, naturalized german citizens judge to have a simulated poorly to life. in the new country, the organizes dispute talk,
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characterization of the event and the information we're reporting about it. what they didn't know at the time was it the german investigative group. corrective was also at the meeting watching and listening. principal guest speaker, the notorious austria and white supremacist mountains zone, invited to provide the group with the ideological test and the means of imposing it . i will make life on the lesson for those people who wanna implement as a country. those people who want to exploit or social systems, because at the moment germany is like an open invitation for everybody wants to exploit us to those who attended. the meetings had been invited as patriots and were expected to contribute financially to the course. the group was in boy's mood
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was really a moment off. we're just getting the po, it's just a matter of time. we're almost stand. there's a carrot in front of our nose. all we have to do now is not the, the host of the meeting was calling. it's very outspoken to the meeting for the master plan. he called at the master plan and he invited people from the if t v and invited people with money. and i think this meeting all of this like in the nucleus came together. i don't have the politics and money. and this was special about this meeting because markings and i was, you know, it was really invited in the special ways. so into the invitation. they called him, we have the honor, that's this man. 10 talk about the master plan. so in a way it was a special on the report on the meeting it, many like
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a messiah o. b, a. if these poll ratings commented as hundreds of thousands protested across the country incense, but such a topic was discussed by mainstream politicians mixing with note extreme is and what's more close to a location stumped forever in germany's post will conscience hardly a co incidence. was this meeting took place been 8 kilometers from funds a where the extermination of millions of jews was profit and agreed by hitler's not to choose. what are you going to tell me that that sold never, never crossed your mind. i think that is despicable of the mainstream media to even compare it is, you know, it's completely not comparable and it can tell you why it is meeting with the place to the calls pairing. and i'm just saying, i can tell you why just making complaints positive booked. no from all thoughts at all. yeah, because i'm not focused on the past all the time of looking at all the special
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meetings of places i focused in the future and oldest immigrations. you mentioned on this twitter these people are focused on the past. 6 6 months of gone by soon supports that meeting, but the best has been settled and for some, at least the warning lights are still flashing. red propose indicate that the far right will make significant gains in next month. so you have to pay the elections. if that happens, what, what do you do with all that new power? is there a ground plan? how safe is democracy going to be across the european union? the key questions, but we set out to investigate 1st stop in brussels, where the advance of the right wing has set nerves jangling among seen the politicians not helped by a space of scandals involving spying and influence peddling among members of the european parliament. they have for additions, who don't hesitate to get the data from our enemies. so it is the combination of
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external pressures and into the willingness to cooperate with those who have the whole stylus, hostile plans for the, for the and there are many other factors which are threatening democracy. for instance, the deluxe of understandable communication. visible just because saw the people are calling for health that it is a lot of fun. suddenly the and the uncertainty has only increased along with mounting numbers straight to attacks on german politicians. the frequency of these interventions has doubled since 2019 ample evidence for germany. target number one and your 4 x treatments back
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on may. the 7th, yvonne, most of the local 3 is candidates in just the front of self campaigning in the wrong place at the wrong time. that's where the far right to tell them to the with the perhaps the biggest recent threat to germany is now being assessed in the cottage took got it all. $27.00 germans will be tried charge with attempting to overt strode a german government. the quote president quoted the most serious national security trial. since the 2nd world war, prosecutors said the accused stockpiled weapons, and were prepared to kill, to achieve the aides, senior job and politicians say they will trump that god again. do think efforts are underway to repeat this attempted qu, they could be of an attempt to cuz well,
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you know, i'm not allowed to talk about concrete things, but i would strongly suggest to listen to the presence of the intelligence agencies in germany. and they are very clear that there are people still acting and trying to do stuff like that's how crucial of a coming year to pay that actions to democracy in new york. i have to tell you that this election, so we'll have a decisive follow for the future years, and the way the life defend make business in europe. and so the selections are very crucial and this elections are necessary to protect. i think that if i not only the far right, but of the political bowers,
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including the new members of the following month, will destroy the unity off the european union. then you will weaken. we have, we have to be strong now because we have a lot of new challenges and, and, and the nice outside of the role for which have influence inside the . ready how can people trust the elections? they don't know whether they've voting for a russian puppet or somebody who's genuine. i think everybody who has a little bit of an understanding about politics knows where they put the puppets are. if you're listening to the pre election, the hype, you could be forgiven from thinking the far right. there's about the story, the citadel of european democracy, demanding to be left inside. would you be wrong? it's already on those gates and its power and influence have expanded rapidly
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across the continent. you'd have autographs and you have fall right, governments and fall right parties with a well established in your now does that frighten you? it does because i see a lot of lying in the campaigns. i mean the promises. so what's frightening me as is the 3 didn't do enough to or for the people of the alternative from the far right? no such on the do it on the trip to the to see the white supremacist mounted selma island, plenty of bodies of the playbook. and that of other far right, moved with that from intention to exhibit a high level of pressure on the goods either to adapt to life in europe will go what is this high level of pressure?
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what is any kind of pressure, economic pressure, financial pre harris is not at all one of the threats confiscations, but no complications that's, that's you made all these up. what do i do? i got to ask them to do them every right and i ride by every right, that's the beach and they have the same overlays you basically have, but they are possible to attach or show. because what i'm saying is, for people who i, you legally will have a passport, you have to assist f, a system of high pressure, and also then voluntarily to go to the home countries. if the prefer the listing, uh, as long as the pallet society might as well just go to and it's a mix. so what are you able to deliver upon from dreams of division discrimination, causing foreign restaurants? housing most destroyed multiculturalism. what, what, what do you deliver? that's pretty destructive program, isn't it? i'll throw comes a positive want we want to safe and peace of identity and the same time respect. and we are a nation culture, the thousands of islamic countries respect to go go,
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well, no, i respect the blue relative to the world, but i want to save my own country it's, it's just foreigners go home, not at all. and that sounds good enough. eldest leslie and joe people, if you want to help go there and help them there and stop importing them through europe and becoming a pull sector in the met. that's what i say. and i think on message is not very cold at all. it's very serious and that's why at the moment the ac is the most popular party among the tests that claim the a if these lead candidates in the european elections dropped into a small bavarian town just a month before the boat maximilian pro max through his promoters was there to greet the 3 to the image is crucial. the fancy sports, god driven name out tunes in the game and case the cameras missed the 1st time round. the model was for decoration and the little white cost of funds to assist
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the anti immigrants message. it didn't look like capacity. the german security services and classified potentially extreme. but it is just 2 days off with a german court confirmed that classification. and the a, if he can continue to be watch bug. i'm followed by the state across the street for the event account, a demonstration. and a reminder that quite apart from his party, mad max himself does have problems. big ones, your office is just being rated after your chinese and the system was arrested last month on the charge and these acted as an agent for china. the news report said that and it said several people working closely with you received funding from china. do you know about that? no, that's not true. i mean, the 1st thing is look, the gym and domestic intelligence said that they super wise,
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my former assistant for 4 years. obviously he was suspicious, but i was want and now those who knew every thing play me tell you play, you're paying the victims, you know, i the title victim, obviously i am. but this is not the political question. this is what i always say. the government reads germany at the, the, the government wants us to look for spies, but we don't. we noticed dispute nauseous. so it's a difficult thing. but the election is about politics. it's not about spines. you're also, i believe, under investigation by the public prosecutor has done no, no, no, on suppression public southern kayla address then from russia in china. the public prosecute interest is now reading news and is considering whether the news reports are enough to prosecute me or to investigate me. so they call it a pre investigation. it is just taking good on me because those people don't want
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to talk about politics. no payments came your way. nothing from the protocol, sco voice of your for the 105 declared on the payments. but once again, if you repeat payment payment payments, spear nice to be on the spin us, that's the way to a white is serious political debates. the serious political debate was brewing only it wasn't the one crowd want to hear, talked about scandals and uh, misinformation by the intelligence agencies you're falling out with. marine depends the rest of them on national now in front. so you're not so exciting to some of your closest political lies anymore. your look, 1st of all, we work together with our colleagues in new york in parliament. so they are very happy with cross spoke to 2 days later the a f. these allies in the european parliament, the far right identity in democracy, groups through the mouth, crowd was banned by his party from any further campaigning. he remained so barely
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candidates, and he'll find out soon enough. what the votes is, make of the a, f d's, pre election payoffs is valid. and the question to the chair of the bone does tags intelligence committee, can you foresee any circumstances under which a fall, right? government could come to power here in germany? no. i seriously arrived now. i see no way people never saw what the a f d would poll that 20 to 25 percent. did that. yeah. well yeah, i mean you comp for see any of the code for that. i know i usually go for some gym that's true, but you asked me for pro bono, for profiles, ease and, and i don't see that, but that doesn't change that we have to take this very, very serious,
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if we're watching, the extra miss would be voted into power and then they show that they can solve the problem is we, we would and then they gets the exchanged for someone else in the next election. we would have no problem. the problem is that when right wing extremists get into power, they don't give it up again. and that's what you see everywhere. that's everywhere includes hungry with it's far right, populace prime minister, victor, all the friends of love, the be uprooted enemy of russ's. he doesn't want to leave the you. you said recently. he wants to come correct. in office since 2010, he submitted tom with associates from his feed us party, toby in 18 key rows in government. only now he has a serious challenge in the little village, close to hunger, his border with ukraine, a whistle blow and form of feed us inside the campaigning for
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a seat in the european parliament. but pay to him, would you as long term ambition is much logic. he wants to speak to obama from paula it's not an easy job to with the support is here. the rural areas are a stronghold for all about it. but it turn out the signs on a rainy days, so little achievement. and then the series mode you on those, he's bringing in crowds and telling them what they belong. wanted to here as the system is complex and the people are fed up into good option with the proper going and the lies with the secret service. so he's quiet that he read the restroom, but i still think i'm quite sure that that them into action means it's possible to win the fee and the feed us some of the good or bad. well josby, it's publicly about the government's interference in a judicial case and he does so was almost all ready. he was married. so the previous justice minister, you did vargas. and those the strengths and weaknesses of the system. the also
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knows what a state capture operation looks like when the populace are in charge to main problem in hungary, the national, in spite of i've done the, you know, in 5 years the or been government and spend more than 1300000000040. and for prep, i've done the, we have that many is 3 of propaganda in 2024 in europe in the union be the ones have administered the oath has many steel education. we don't have them in his 3 of the environments, but we do have, i mean he stepped up on the it's to be, it's funny about that. all those 3 inch icing into your opinion. and i'm worried about the capture of state institutions like the police, the security, say i have is the and got to press everything is captured. yeah, this thing is, is that the by, if he does guy what x, he does guy the, the got this, all of the doors, the constitutional court, the president, everybody of course, the, towards the idea of the store buys thing from 2000 and then who would every spring
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and everybody who was the position. so now there is no balance of power in hungary is the only one the one of the existing, the power is the feed us. this is a bar effect story. the soap with power factory mean you cannot make bar to be bought. it took up by waterman the secret service. part of it, the party is to be the every staying with all that. how is he really going to let himself be voted out of office? that's a question. i really hope that something to steal the from the democratic hero environment. is that oregon and, and have you ever heard of that that does take over the fall or if the deal have demanded that from the on get mt for it via the add on. good. i'm not the short flight for me to have the difficult it will take more than some live time being on a rainy day or to push the or by machines through the exit. but how is it possible
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to let a single lead to take over? i didn't tie european state for so long could it happen elsewhere? there's a reason why people might turn to the right is that there's widespread discontent in europe with politics and outcomes, not just migration. a report to the commission in february talked about a broad geography of discontent, of declining regions. many small cities, towns and rural areas have a sense of dispatch, not just limited to economic hardship, but also to have a feeling of being politically disenfranchised, socially alienated. you have sympathy with them. absolutely. but allow me to come back to this any additional question because look too much rolling jobs. my troll has currently in the polls was his party around 17 percent in, in fonts. socialist discharge just doing the 16 percent in germany at this moment of the time. that's all the 2 top leaders are funeral and that worries me a lot because we are lacking real leaders. we have the support of citizens just 3
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weeks before the european elections. so the vacuum right, the prime minister rubber pizza, survived and assess the nation to attempt in the town, probably about a 119 kilometers from the capital practice of the government. so to shoot, to have a clear political motivation. one of feats of allies to be in time hate for opposition. i've loved these figures. european lead is reacted shaw wanting that violence have no place to european politics, but they've already be plenty of warranties. i've a late 40 floor to go to the feet properly to go out the sphere. i have your judy elections. chris attacks finds out spits brutality and it's intention. the fairies could encourage civil the violence in other parts of the comfortable with political hatreds. pulls from the a, you're a liberal political group reviews that it was increasingly along by the rising
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polarization. and the political see a few by extreme is by the ology some of those ideologies world show last november in the fall, right? we didn't post them as it was in respectable assurances, legality and moderation. what is really interesting about it, they really want to do a to plan everything in a way that seem to be legal. you know, they would, they be emphasized at always, you know, be, do it legally. we do it constitutionally and i think this also shows, you know, the, the dangers which are the other of these organizations, these movements. and also the idea, of course, they try to infuse these ideas into drugs society, you know, not by breaking law enough by changing the constitution or doing unconstitutional stuff. but by bending all these laws and institutions kind of, uh, of yeah,
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like it's a, it's a slow poison into the society denazi's back then we're also saying everything has to be legal and you can look into it and they pull, the car is underlined. everything has to be legal. this is, this is, you know, normal the protocol which discussed the extermination of choose exact. yes. was better backlash against you for breaking this story. any scripts k me away afterwards. the. yeah, of course, off of the story we had a tremendous backlash and we had people attacking us personally. me. i was on the main channels of the party with name and face and saying that i am channels of the a f d. yes. so it was on the party made channels of twitter, etc. so they were kind of cooling out, doug, whistling against me, but also the rest of the collect teeth and a tory room was under under attack. i remember there were cameras, you know,
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waiting from right, right. it could blog is waiting for you to come down to says, and then we're showing we know where you are. we know your address. we are going to follow you and we know from internal monitoring of a right to go check groups that they are organizing to find us. and we are actually not the only useful exec and every kind of use room. every journalist who is reporting on these groups is actually targeted and, you know, and the stronger that gets, the more. yeah, the more people are targeted and that's for sure. it's not just in europe. the people are waiting with anxiety for the results of the june elections, ukraine, spices and politicians. those of any search by the far right with its russian sympathies could have serious consequences for the war with moscow. in brussels. they know that to am or not have been
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not happy at all because sizing ukraine needs more, more weapons. and what i munition is a lot you're is supporting new k, but it's not enough. is it not enough in the military sense? and that sort of accounts and the end of the day off, they don't have sovereignty over their own territory. they don't have a country today. we have to see at least 4 lines of support. but you are either, this is a key one. this is exist, essentially important political one to support the ukraine, a re sufficient amount of immunization and right, that's the west has to do more ukraine's armed forces seen plenty of promises come and go aware that their political football and not always in the hands of best supporters if the elections give the far right great to influence, it might well mean that those emulation weapon supplies become a trickle locked in successive you committees,
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by politicians who think ukraine should settle now with moscow, and in the war. so far away from the field of conflicts, the political baffled lines have been drawn for ukraine as much as the rest of europe. the stakes could hardly be higher. the, [000:00:00;00]
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