rows most healthy in this country. what do they want to change in a society full of contrasts? the indian aids stuff june 5th on d w. the welcome to ask d. w also be live streamed on youtube by melissa chad. and this is a special format where those of you turning in have an opportunity to pose questions. today. it's all about china landing a spacecraft on the far side of the moon for the 2nd time and marks another advance for china as in international race in space. gathers pace, the u. s. india and others are hoping to build permanent bases on the moon and we, or on mars. they are also on potential lunar mineral resources which could be exploited in the future shop of ethics. we are joined by 2 awesome guests who are standing by to respond to your questions and comments. you can type them

into the chat on youtube for your science and space questions. we have keith kelly . he's the editor of nasa watch dot com and trained as in astro biologist and to look more in depth of the geo politics behind this wretched to the moon. we have journalist david ariano, so he's the creator of the space. watch daily pod cast and co author of an upcoming book on the 21st century space race called open space. the races behind a space born renaissance. so welcome to both of you and thanks for joining us. thanks ravenous. while you're sending us your question good, let's take a closer look at china's tongue, the 6 mission to the moon. as a chinese, a spacecraft, getting european instruments launched at the beginning of may chung 6 histories. the far side of the moon. scientists from europe are looking

forward to sharing the results of a series of experiments. the what impresses me a lot in the case of china. and often one program is the, the very powerful brought them up that has been set up so far. they've always been successful, so we are very confident that the strongest we would work. okay. it is not the 1st time that chinese, this piece cut off has landed on the far side of the moon. in 2019 the chunk of formation sent a ruler there, which is a still operating today. now, the much bigger and heavier chunk of 6 is set to collect dropped samples from the far side and bring them back to us. and it is getting a, the specialized scientific government to including from to lose friend scientists at the institute for a stroke, physics and blended orgy. spent several years developing. i really don't detect to,

for the moon's fall side the, but of several identical models. the one vc here is identical to the device installed on board tall. uh, 6. what's the new political intentions? good. pause a thread to the more than 3 decades. as long as you're being chinese space corporation and potentially make future luna admissions together, less likely. it is a question to see you have the international nuno robotic stations, which is a sign of a russian initiative. and it depends if the china 7 or trying your age emissions, if they are part of the aisle arrest, then it would be very difficult. we're actually impossible for europe to cooperate on these missions. for the moment though, the european chinese corp unload of missions is running smoothly. besides the friends of 8 onto deck to there's also equipment from sweden and italy on board as

well as trump august on. the principle is that we don't extend funds one institution provides the principle and the system. the institution provides an instrument and the results ha shed and then on the equal basis despite the particular challenges, scientists want to cooperate on through jo luna and even mosse missions. and in the meantime, john go 6 is she had to return toward the end of june. so you've heard a bit about china is tongue, a 6 mission. now it's time to get the conversation started. as a reminder with keith kelly, the editor of nasa, watch dot com and david, are you still author of the upcoming book? open space? while we're waiting for questions and comments and don't be shy, i am going to kick things off. keith, how big a deal is this far side of the moon landing? well, it's something that the us thought about doing 50 years ago,

but never did. they actually talked about managing the human emission back there and the moon i took up my little prop here. we see one side of it very well, but the, the other side, the far side is still a bit of a missed. i'm curious, the same question for you, but from a geo political perspective, how big a deal is this far side of the moon landing? yeah, you know, i think it's, it's, it's one of these things, it kind of gets a little bit overlooked in terms of the sheer magnitude, the science behind it, right? because like to do this type of mission is certainly sophisticated. one involves the orbit or a lander and a center or re entry module. so, you know, it's looking at the south pole a basin which is frankly just some more difficult areas. and landon, but by virtue of the topography there. but what this constitutes is a bit of a transition now into the implementation phase of developing cyst lunar infrastructure, which the chinese space program is going to need as a starts to,

to look for that permanent human presence on the moon. and the importance of the south pole obviously, is if you're looking to make a moon sort of your gas station for it, for the rest of the solar system. if you're looking to, to do trips tomorrow's, the asteroid belt, other parts of the solar system, you know, there's, there's water there with water and mounts to potentially as much as lake lake michigan from reports that i've seen, you know, and the way you do that is where you can leave the mile fuels, if you get hydrogen and oxygen, you can essentially makes you what this you get instead you resource development there. but then there's also other minerals and resources. but, you know, when you look at future aspects of this, there is a, there's nicer topping. i'm radioactive, i said to call 2 a 3 that that is sort of a premier type of fuel that can be used in future the needs of the fusion occurrence. so as we kind of extrapolate about what advanced propulsion systems might look like, decades in the future, this type of fuel could play. it could be instrumental in into it. so, you know, in terms of china's play and the moon obviously is it and,

and really it's just lunar spaces is at this point, you know, kind of the ultimate high ground. but what terribly both and in terms of, you know, what is developing in terms of some of the kinetic capacities that it's weaponry long term right now that mostly orients around direct energy weapon reads for pants . my satellite kind of, of kind of infrastructure but uh, you know, long term we're looking at this as a power play both in terms of the geo politics but also sort of the economic, wherever the fall of, of a stablish and presence there. and i actually want to share some of the stuff that's already coming in from chat dale dulles says, good afternoon everyone. what does this expedition mean for china and speech space? exploration in general, which we are examining right now there. here's a question from somebody called one janice, is there any world organization that gives permission for mood admissions? what if a country decided to do a new test on the moon?

and that is a question for both of you guys. let's turn to keith 1st as well, you know, there are trees that have been in place for more than half a century that most nations have signed up to which govern, uh, activities and space and they know weapons and things like that. so that is, you know, sort of like the at arctic true, you can have half a century, a pretty much global agreement to that. we have a new thing here, at least in the west, the artist records, which is adding countries around the world, which try and come up with a sort of rules of play of behavior on the moon. however, china doesn't exactly see it that way in russia's friends with anybody right now and so long story short. um yeah, i think the model to look at to some extent is an article and i've, i've been on expeditions to the arctic and the him away as an i, you know, i've been in the review and people, when you go to a remote, far away difficult to get to dangers place tend to want to cooperate and then one

of their neighbors, the next space. so there to help them or something happens. and i know i've seen this happen. that said, it's outer space, you know, and you don't know what's going to happen in politics sometimes makes absolutely no sense to us. sorry, just types, but it makes complete sense. you political thinkers and i'll leave it to my, my fellow guest here to explain that to us because i still live, understand all and yeah, i mean david pick up from where keith left off. scientists and geo politics doesn't often mix. i mean, the, see this a lot scientist, whether it's with space or, or with viruses, um, tend to really want to collaborate, work together across borders. but the situation from a geopolitical perspective is very different. you know, it's interesting to me makes great point in the sense that particular in terms of the architect, right, there's a lot of collaboration anywhere where that's really difficult to operate. tell you tend to put sort of that, you know, by going to be buying and put that behind you just to kind of survive up there. and it was a hallmark of, of the 1st, the 1st base rates, you know,

during the 1st cold war, frankly, between the, you know, the american astronauts and russian cosmonaut. so there's always a sense that, you know, despite what was happening, do politically down here on earth up there they, they just sort of find a way to work together and, you know, there it was, it was emblematic on the i assess and, and even even the technology and serve the intra operable nature of the technology that they use. that's not happening now. with regard to a couple of things, one of the technology is not in droppable. chinese were excluded from the i assess and they went out and stablish their own space station. second, the welcome meant that, that was, that was back in 2011. that was, you know, really almost in response to somebody's human rights abuses with regard to it. so we could population preventive collaboration between nasa and really any sort of state funded enterprise with, with the chinese agency. now the chinese, they're the vast majority of the space that respond to the p. o a,

the people's liberation army. and so it least at the very least from an optics perspective it's, it's hard to kind of have that same kind of collaboration when you have a civilian agency now. so, collaborating with a, with a military, this is actually something in my conversations with the, those within the chinese commercial sector. i've expressed some frustration about an incense, like, you know, we, we want to work with, with other groups. i am speaking with the, the, the founder of, of, of ryan space who put together centurylink, china's largest and most powerful, solid rocket and the commercial space. and he draws a desperation for what do you want mosque is doing. and yet, and he studied in san francisco and so we got a lot of times to be knighted states. but, you know, there's, there's a prohibition in terms of that collaboration at the state level it's, it's hindered by additional sanctions. and you know, we're kind of reaching a place now in terms of how the aging and washington operate. that it's,

it's affecting how, how we have traditionally operated even the most extreme environments. you see that obviously with what her put in and this is, you know, questions about nuclear weapons and space. so, you know, you marry that with the advent of all of these incredibly powerful and dangerous new technology is particularly hypersonic. and you were really entering through this brave new world in terms of that the level of the, the level number of players and private players in this, the sort of new space raise and the stakes that are involved between all these, these adversarial arrivals that are coming to head now this open i ground, i've been listen just both of you talk about this, but i'm still a little confused. i love clarification. you mentioned the international space station, but my understanding is even went up in the last 2 years. we've seen a us and russian astronauts up there. so there is this kind of collaboration and i

understand with this a tongue, a 6 mission, the european space agency has some kind of collaboration as well. so it seems like there's a lot of contradiction with uh, you know, cooperating and not cooperating. a can. can you enlighten us a little bit more on that? maybe maybe let me stick with david just because he just were talking about it. and then i also want to go to keith for that as well. and we have a question i'm told right after this that we're going to pull up from one of the viewers or yeah, yeah, sure. so i, there actually is a, i believe there is a, a carlos, a flight resupply ship. it's heading to the, the i assess currently was just launched last week. says you're right, there's the club ration there. and it's, it's interesting, right? because the us used to rely on russia for a long period of time just to get to the i ss, this is back in about 2011 when under the, the, the bomb ministration. the, the shuttle program was retired. and you know, years later, a couple years later thing, 2014, when sanctions 1st rely up against,

i guess the kremlin number of different officials, they're in response to the 1st outbreak of, of possibilities with the training war. i remember there was a quote that russian deputy prime minister to meet you, but goes and upset who, who is just known to be prolific on twitter and elsewhere for these bombastic responses. and essentially said that nasa should just take a wine, we bought a trampoline to get up into space. and in yet you, despite the rhetoric there is, there was, there was continued collaboration there. but it, it wound down though with the, with the development of the commercial sec, particular space x and the, into the in sending asterisk of the 1st time and the commercials shipped to, to the i ss. and so, you know, the need for that collaboration is not the same. we saw on the american side as it was in the past 10 years. but, you know, there is history there between the, the, the, the russian, the soviet lease and us programs. and in the restroom and.