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of all the rest of the classify as the disgusting w series about our complex relationship with animals need to be watch now on youtube dw documentary this week, around 370000000 people in the 27 countries of the you will be voting in the european solomon's elections and the run up plenty of speculation, but the far right might increase its tale of feats and exec a great influence on how the use spends its money, or low as it passes. somewhat far, an agreement subsides, service takes a high and this complex home found in brussels as being plenty of nervous tension among keep politicians. we talk to 2 of them for the vapor leader is the largest political grouping center right here, fee, and people's policy about his predictions. his worries on the death of credible leadership in europe. the 1st viagra, euro,
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vice president of the european commission and commission of values and transparency . how crucial of coming europeans that actions to democracy in new york. i have to tell you that this election, so we'll have a decisive follow for the future years. and the way the life defend make business in europe. and so these selections are very crucial and this elections are necessary to protect. if the far right gets a big boost in the, to the elections has some of predicting. what are the dangers for the e u. for democracy, i think that if i look only the far right, but the political bowers, including the new members of the following month, will destroy the unity off the european union.
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and unity for me doesn't mean that you have to agree this every seeing. but the unity on substantial existential the important things then you will weaken. i think that it will be more pressure on the national interest of more pressure on also in my agenda on the you stopped interfering in to the southern states results. pay attention to the fact that all the member states subscribed to this 13 date, for instance, is the commitment to, to respectfully the fall. i think that that it will be more noise about all the things that you is doing in the field of the under mentor writes. but also that might be some, some people who will want to abuse the freedom of speech to be able to shout
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a hateful comments. and these kinds of things. could we say more pressure for cracked down on immigration, for instance. i thing that to buy uh, having the migration but the package adopted the story, it has not finished. and i think that this will be one of the things switched off the right to move on to open again. i'm more pro bosco policies less support for you from my to be the case. yes. up to now on a grain. i am or not have been not have been to all because icing ukraine needs more more weapons and what i munition in so long. but on the other hand, i am so disliked by the reaction of the rest on the, on the russian aggression. i knew i can imagine i am a chick citizen. so that are some historical lessons saw in chicky. we read to come over over the last century that appeasement does not. that's not black
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. and that's why i'm so glad that we are supporting ukraine. in spite of the big pressure from most gall gramlin and it's propaganda, the 3 it should stop the support to ukraine. your is supporting new k, but it's not enough. is it not enough in the military sense or not sort of accounts and the end of the day off they don't have self into over their own territory. they don't have a country today. we have to see at least 4 lines of support, but you are either, this is a key one. this is exist centrally important, great to go long to support the ukraine, a re sufficient amount of immunization and weapons. but we should also not oversee that. that is a huge money battery, an 8 that is a huge support for the, the green. and some of these that is
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a sustainable flow of money to ukraine, which should keep the state going, fulfilling the functions of the state. and i got it from my few. i've seen the 3 are doing a lot to prepare the ground for the, for the punishment of the potatoes. so creating the data base of evidence of the crimes. i'm tall, novel collection of the, of the a list of damages and these kind of things it's, but the fact is, you can't, is not the way the small and is not winning the war because it doesn't have the weapons and the munition it needs. and unless the west changes cost gibbs, you crate what it needs in terms of that military equipment. it's kind of go down, there's no extra loop. so this is going to be a business. no guess they have to support a grain more in and it's in the war. but this is urgent,
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isn't it goes this, this is urgent. the whole time. and a lot of the landscape is rightly asking for more support in, in the field of military equipment. the munition and nothing's from the beginning of this, of the innovation. the west has to do more coming back to the european elections. isn't that the choose the democracy is on the threats in the you from inside and outside as never before? i have a lot of good data showing that democracy an electro process is under pressure on the new kinds of threats, not only from outside of the of go see the efforts of russia to convince the voters to vote for those who will stop support to ukraine. this is
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a very clear purpose of the russian propaganda. we also see more on document more hidden ways of influenza seeing the europe and information space from china. we recently saw the evidence brought by those secret services that are on additions into you who do not hesitate to get the bait from our enemies. so it is the combination of external pressures as an internal willingness to cooperate with. those who have flooded hostile is hostile plans for the, for the and there are many other factors which are threatening democracy, for instance, of the look of understandable communication visible just because all the people are calling for health that it is a lot of uncertainty to one of your responsibilities is to ensure that the
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democratic system is open, transparent, and protected from external interference. it isn't protected from external interference. is it because the russians have been very successful in buying you politicians, you mentioned that and people can't have trust in the system where that goes on. i would warn against the f us to absolutely protect our information space. we should also maintain some thrust and people that they will be able to apply the critical thinking and let me say, don't know which of your politicians is being bored by that show how come they come . they have to of go such a scandal or such. such disclosures are not helping my thought. at the same time. we are doing our best to increase the level of protection of our information space,
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in the sense of fact checking and supporting the end of the independent media, who should be able to deliver to the people, evidence based tools. and i think that this is the only way out to defend our information space you have or the graphs and you have far right? government is that uh and far right parties with the well established in your fonts in germany, they have a number to political forces as if somebody has a fire, right? prime minister. so back here has the far right. prime minister, hungry is far right. is entrenched possible. yeah. already in the impala. yes. does that frighten you? it does because i see a lot of lying in the campaigns. i mean the promises. so what's frightening me as is that we didn't do enough to or for the people
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are the alternative. and i think that this has to be maintained a free choice for, for the citizens. but at the same time, and i will repeat it to the side time, we should be able to explain to people what comes next. i see in politics a lot of the discussions about what happens in the box and analyzing of what we did good our successes. i don't see enough care about the varies of the people who really didn't want to know what will happen next months for next year. or in 10 years time, this is what i hear from the young people when i'm traveling now from country to country. i also have, fortunately,
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a lot of opportunities to discuss with the people they want to know. but also they want to say what the future of europe should be, and this is so my onto adult of a few of, of the few of the rise a fire, right? that this, that is a whole that may be the new generation of vote us will little say no to it us. at the same time, we see a lot of young people being manipulated, especially as the dick duck and other platforms and young people who start to believe in those. but it's simple uh, solutions. this is also frightening me how scared i use that to my pay. i really serious price for not having done enough to address people's concerns. oh, i fall right walks away with considerable number of increased seats. i am good enough to do more. that's why i am really no intensively discussing
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this many different partners in our member states. a movie also that the some is the media organization so busy and use of this the organizations which should implement the new los reassigned thing and the love and imagine i m s flying alarm. as i already visited, 8 countries, i will have some skype goals with all the us. i'm going just lucky on next week, and i am not coming to the states. so the member states to advise who to vote for, of course, as a liberal, a little bit to the left from the center i. i would have such advice, but this is not my job here. my job is to support the member states so that they are able to organize the elections and the way that they will
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not be money related or cap chet, bye. uh the technologies specially i have in mind deep fakes in this case. so that's my job to go to the country as the outlet and also to explain to the general public in the country. is that the uh we uh, if we admit that the v and if and both through era our destiny will be to live in lice. this is what normal people shouldn't go to long. i guess it's a novice worrying time for you, isn't it? i am quite used to it, you know, i am. i think i'm doing the most sense an emotion that a suit in portfolio because i'm dealing over the almost 10 years is
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the agenda of the flaw, independent justice. no independent media. protection of here from the fund, a mentor rights, and these are all, all the things which they're on the thread up on the threat and which raise a lot of emotions, hatred. and i a going to go to storage because you asked me by. so the question of, but i don't like the idea that it has to continue like that the society and democracy has to adapt to the new era and to keep the best thinks the best principals. and i believe the 3 of them manage, but this is a very tense, loman. so when we see the full school with frustration,
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also keeping us in economic troubles. and that's the crisis water. we live in the, at all when the people have fetus, which they did not have over many decades. suddenly, i receive questions whether the people will be able to pay the bills for electricity or whether they will have money to feed their children. and these are, these are such and that are being new kinds of questions that it could be a fatal mistake not to react on it properly or from the political side because the people are in trouble. and if, when we see the, the far right is on the rice, i think they have a good analysis of the job. most of people, as they are responding to the,
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the problem is that in many ways they are lying to people that are easy solutions. so that's why i always say we have to do, but as the democrats and if you don't do better, you'll pay a big price. well, yes, isn't it? fed politics is a difficult and speak to difficult politics, is mindful of vapor the leader of the center, right? here in people's pocket, i reminded him of his own warning last year, the b e u risk the fall right surge. unless it got a handle on migration. and so far i suggested this happens one, 1st of all, we don't have to look on the content from a technical point of view, refer immediately to the right extreme. because the fall we have to serve as interest of citizens and people are going to have clarity on our ex, donald warner. they're going to know suits who are arriving. are real asylum
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seekers. we all the refugees and all the leave you my friends. that's fine. europe has to be tough and we have finalized and all the legislation on migration in the last the weeks i'm brought about this of the easy use of horrible discussions in europe like meeting each other. being all phone to come in understanding is always the message of yes, europe stopped speaking via solving all the problem and your move to tyson regulations of migration moves you further to the far right. are you happy about that? because it gives you a new alliance. so strengthens an old alliance. but my red line is critically a. there is no chance developed to be able to be source was refusing euro. please do so are refusing to cooperation, visual crane, and the students who are against the roof at all in europe. the 3 basic principles which are fundamental for my political family as us on the part this one with respect and fees for the principal, but it wasn't go was so you way, partnership with you this hardly pro european, certainly not for
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a rule of law. and these days, not pro ukraine either. that's why you were capable of being together with them for 10 years. while you know, big, the old ones thought that this freedom fighter against calmness and he was supposed to live road politician. he was part of the liberal party in europe, then you still kept him when it and he was and then he, most of the european peoples body. and then i myself, this group the, the years ago i expelled him from the party to make clear that enough is enough and that was enough and then decided to we exclude it to him. so he's not any more party member in the family. that's why our position is greece, crystal clear. let me use another name for showing you our clear dna. we have the polity of the on the test. he's my pretty does this or as part of you that he's now police pregnant, is that he kicked out kuchinski off office and brought poland back to europe, and those are roughly all back to poland. so that's a real dna you'll be and i'm proud of office would you be. busy a king to have your family include georgia, maloney the far right. prime minister of it. to me,
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i give you an answer vcr guarantee. judging maloney's president of the art of the conservative party, i am president of sue to people's party. they respect each other because we are both part the need is on you repeat level, but you're not mind to join the family if you wanted her in idle i the p p. i don't see this that she wants to join. i don't see a statement from her. i don't see initiative from her. she's pregnant is perfectly a and that is what i respect. and i have tell you that yes, she voted in favor of the migration pack to all bundled it against kuchinski voted against. so i seen her being reason the people that were being ready to compromise on european level. and that is what europe needs compromise. readiness to give in to accept a common solution that we bring you to for what kind of danger do you think the far right poses to your well that's, that's fundamental. you know, in germany we have, for example, if the and they are one of the key politicians, i guess it publicly this, europe must die. that is what he says or because we know that
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a big part of the right extreme are puppets of 14. they are paid by putting ethan weiss of europe and all of the new scandal on the table. so that is, that is at stake. so people must understand if they've voted for rides very codes, they really never solve any problem. they really increase the problems that population needs problems, for example, that they do so by them they really never have an interest to solve sense. in concrete terms, what would a sewage to the far right mean for you or how would we notice the difference? it was the 1st, the 1st element is that they will not agree on solving problems. again on legislation. you have to make compromises a nationalist never already and capability to compromise this. the 2nd thing is you will see that they will fall back in products and this so been live and becomes president. the phones are things that post message will be i don't going to buy any more, the tele and or the actual, the trimming products, please only by
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a french proactive i do fall back into these categories in europe, you're going to risk shrinking. and though the idea of an open, you're up of a free rope, and the far right success means that the skiing blues to support the will to support our training and friends in this fight for freedom and for them across the that's why it's historic such a decision, i'm sure i'm of the opinion that april grain falls, then putting be continue the next target. this and part of the european union was hybrid or a text. and that's why we have to do our best to step allies. we are trying to give them put support for we need to more and vis, right? explain labels. that's clear. there's a reason why people might turn to the right. isn't that is widespread discontent in europe with politics and outcomes? not just migration. a report to the commission in february talked about a broad geography of discontent, of declining regions. many small cities,
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towns and rural areas have a sense of dispatch, not just limited to economic hardship, but also to have a feeling of being politically disenfranchised, socially alienated. you have sympathy with them. absolutely. i'm from a rural area. i followed one year ago for against and age reservation law, and again, some regulations against our farmers because they said enough is enough that we cannot, they cannot follow it anymore. what do you are producing us through, chris? he has proven for our daily business and they have to adhere to the far right. weaving them back this our approach that it gives them a voice. i was a tech to the, the mold in the voice. so i, i, you know, i'm every weekend on the ground in athens, in bavaria all over europe. and i've talking this farmers. and i know they recognize that they have people there who defend their interest. that's why we have to do so. we have to find the balanced approach and i give you another point which is what is needed. not only listening to people, that's a precondition for doing good politics, listening to people not lecturing thing,
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listening to them. but the 2nd thing is also need if you need again, leadership on your local level, you need results. so don't you. 36 percent of people 36 percent told at the end of last year cited the fight against poverty. as the chief concern on public health, cited by 34 percent, you know, some 73 percent. so they fit the standard of living with decline in 2024. that's not much face in europe, so you can nominate policies, is that right? but 1st of all, we have to be honest, the health system was a fight against poverty. so social welfare system is based on national level. that is not you repeat responsibility, but you are right on the economic dealer. the have to restore the economic engine of your but allow me to come back to this any additional question because look to my growing jobs. metronome is currently in the pulse with his party around 17 percent in, in fonts, socialist, the shortest during the 16 percent in germany. this moment of the time. that's all the to the top leaders are funerals and then the voice in the last because we are
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lacking real leaders. we have the support of citizens. you talk about the threats from russia, these elections has the work and up to it too late to do anything about it. i mean, without finding out the extent, or at least part of the extent of how many people would be bored by russia. how many european politicians are in the pay of the criminal? the spot is that's here. that's all for me to see this. how can people trust the elections? they don't know whether they've voting for a russian puppet or somebody who's genuine. i think everybody who has a little bit of an understanding about politics know where they're putting puppets are. so thanks to you over. thanks. is there strongly so that we have transparency? we know what is going on. that's good. that's, that's a, that's an advantage of a free and open society. good. yeah. so we do the full pick to you through the secret service would be to publish really all the details. i all also austin badging authorities now to publish everything in the bedroom. pregnant is to say
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it's public leave, you have a problem, but he's not opening the documents to give us what transparency i am on your side. i always prefer transparency before the elections. people must know, but the speak already about this. so i think in germany and friends every be a people know that putting purpose is the right, does really well, you're paying the elections. donald trump becomes president or with this, the election for the presidency in november. what kind of world are we facing them? then we are living in the new world and totally new world. that gives you oppression gives us an appetite about the real, the real i mention the real historic moment we are in. so it's not business as usual, and this moment of time it's serious. i'm sure the, in the majority opinion of the people in europe, they know that you have developed together. you have to find a common understanding. i'm trying to say, but thank you very much. i think is the,
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