news, what drives them to keep going on the sound of simple june 13th d, w. the. this is deed of news, africa coming up on the program. south africa's elections have not yet, but the new government, but can the process so far be seen as a win for democracy? as the ruling african national congress reaches out to the opposition in the hopes of forming a government, we hear reflections from south africans on the states of that democracy. also coming up the migrants trying to find the way to europe despite the 200000000 euro efforts to stop them. we hear from one woman in mauritania. area brings back, it's a national anthem, but all the government,

i'm the people staying in from the same him. she's the head of what i'm told me on logic, but it's good to have you with us. south africans are waiting to see what the next government will look like following last week's elections. but one thing is set and the ruling african national congress has lost its majority. for the 1st time since the end of apartheid, the party will need to make a deal with the opposition to form a coalition government. the result was a major blow for the and see since 1994, it's secured. more than 60 percent of the vote in every election except the one that's on till this year when it could only gain 40 percent and it appears the public dissatisfaction was not just with the n c, but with the political process as a whole voter turnout has been on

a gradual decline in recent years, but this year, so the lowest ever in south africa's 30. yeah. democratic history with president 0 run my posts that insist there's much to celebrate. people have given effects to the tardy and. busy that was, that has it resonated across generation that the people shall govern. busy people have spoken whether we like it or not. they have spoken. so what are the options for the amc? the obvious choices, the team up with the largest opposition party, the democratic alliance. between them they would have enough seats and parliament to govern despite the differences of the all the options would be the economic freedom fighters and the i'm comfortable with these way potty o m k party. it's led by a former president, jacob zulema was almost potty has demanded ramos step down as a condition for

a coalition. a sign of the personal animosity between the 2 and the half of pledge to nationalize south africa as important gold and platinum mines, as well as the central bank, which some experts say could be damaging for south africa's image with foreign investors. so clearly not an easy task ahead for the n c and president drama plaza . but as the political parties negotiate, let's get the view from south africa and south africans. actually we have kimberly and local show in johannesburg. and we have, let's see, by sydney woke up uh uh, in polo clinic. good to have the 2 of you on the program. welcome to dw news africa . let's start with you. let's see what you voted fs. they cannot make freedom fighters. why? why did you i am thinking will 1st for the me and then 3 to use 2 of us. um look, yeah, i had

a couple of things that i based my choice on. so the 1st was the money system. so the election money says to, according to me, was waiting to be fixed. you know, you do anything um, you know, if things in process is of making sure that it can reflect their wishes and views of that paper on the ground. there was a lot of consultations we defended and sick tests of business, the tubing business being in touch in mend or the success of business. i team making sure that the manifesto is as well informed as possible. uh yeah, well welcome to more of the issues in a bed, but uh, i just wanted to have a brief summary. kimberly you voted for 3 different parties. uh, a different levels. oh, how come um. well, just to say, so the original one that i voted for was uh reisman's and sweet. and it's quite a new party. it's also got

a lot of younger people in it and i felt like it would be great to kind of give them a chance to, you know, get an idea of what it is like to run a country. but obviously at a lower level, which would also give them a lot of experience. and then my national party, i voted for u d. m. i feel like i really liked to be a manifesto as a, i've voted for them the last time as well. and as much as the not as popular to everyone, i'd rather go with one that speaks to my heart and then um, provincially, i winful action se, mainly because uh hm. and much of a, for example, when he was given certain duties to fulfill, he really did fulfill them and his time was just cut short, but i really believe that they could make a diff since as far. right. so yeah, i thought a bit of silence variety is good for that. okay, so going back to you, let's see by you when you were choosing who to vote for vote for and, and,

and going to the pilot box. what were the main issues that influenced you about what, what was the top of your mind? yeah, well basically the 1st under the category of 6 gigabyte, you know, we're looking at him for aspect to in terms of family accessibility, in terms of roads. are we looking at healthcare? we're looking at um, len instead of, you know, people need to lend for value to a couple of states which cut into these, the very expensive thing to, uh, to acquire, you know, looking at what we can get access to is cool and provide education. so all those type of things with key to my decision making, because i've said i should vote for an organization that i feel at this point in time is capable of addressing those issues in the most effective way. right? i'm looking at south africa as a whole. the amc, the after national congress has been the dominant party for most of both your lives

and now they've suffered major losses. kimberly, how do you feel about the prospect of a multi party government to be honest, i would rather prefer that. i feel like i, i, i, i feel like i don't have an issue with it. i wouldn't want necessarily, and i don't want to bash anybody, but i wouldn't necessarily want in see to run on its own again. but i also wouldn't really want to run on its own. so i think for example, been having a clinician, i think would be good and it would challenge both parties too. rather instead of constantly calling outs each other's faults, then to rather work together towards making an actual change in the country. i think they both have the strengths and weaknesses and they could work together for the pit of the country. that's just interesting. points are less about what do you think this? all right, we're not going to a to it's

a final answer yet. but in terms of a government, but what do you think this development says about the state of democracy in south africa? when we looking at democracy at play and you know, to each see pretend shadow, you know, where people are not subject to, to just one organization each. and you know, so people have good now the liberty to choose who they think and believe that they presented their views and wishes well. and then also this also bring together in, you know, a lot of expertise and knowledge. and other than only looking for answers from one group of people, you know, a quick pick, one of you said in view is 6 fifties. and so, and that will come together and make sure that there is a quarter of knowledge and expertise that might possibly take a country for an investment. and what it, if you were to address this, whichever government comes in unless you buy and you want to give them one point,

the top of your list that they should address immediately. what, what would you want them to do for you? of the um, where do you do the, the, the issue of the land let, let us make lend access. i bought it for you quite a very distribution and use because we blend then it comes a lot of things, you know, a lot of opportunity to satirize is people can open their businesses to sustain themselves. you know, people and use it for extra college, you know, people can use it for preprocessing them and then now they'd be access to all those other things. so i think that the main issue would be and then your next completion of the end. okay. kimberly will finish up with you what, what would you be top of your list? mine would definitely be youth development and youth unemployment because they use all going to run the country eventually. and we really need some, you know,

we need purpose citizens of the country who are also in a good, socio economic standing in order for them to be productive people within the country. so for me as the youth, they are number one top of my list. and that's a great point to start to will. thank you very much. kimberly, because you'll, when janice bug, unless the bundle go by in public line is great to have you. it's been good to have you on the program. the irregular migration to europe is on the rise, and the e. u is attempting to bring down the numbers by quoting some of the countries where migrants travel from all travel through a one root that's grown popular is what's known as the western african root and more attain yeah, is one of its trends at hobbs, the government, the assigned to deal with 210000000 euros with the e. u to manage the flow. we have a special report from the more retaining and city of not able a transit point for thousands who set out on this hazardous journey. a

lot grew up in senegal and in more tenea where she has long dreamed of a better life. by the time she was 30, she'd saved enough to pay for a p rogue to take her from the capital, knew watch shot to spain's canary islands, and a future in the you. it's hard for her to recount the ordeal she suffered . so they were all sorts of nationalities. molly and kim rooney inside the syrians, martini and senegalese, and the police themselves chains that take us to the beach. the big boat takes you to europe is waiting out as i see and load up like small boats come to the to and take 20 people on board. 20 people 20 people not everyone to get on because there was so many of us one for more than 100 or so for example,

if you design only 80, we're lucky enough to get on. i've seen people almost went mad. sometimes people fight with each other with the captains, have big knives to threaten you and tell you to shut up or they'll throw you on the beach to show my before and they're not kidding. like i put them on the ground to one us, which is if she knows you was just all up last you know, got a new one but, but it wasn't to be after 4 days at sea drifting without fue, they ended up on a beach in northern mauretania, before nationals will be deported, but law as a martini and was simply released the most of those you provided me. i haven't been able to honestly, the, since i got back when i sleep peace, i feel like i'm still in the boat. that was rocking and i see my mind is fed even when i closed my eyes like this. i feel i'm swinging and that's the best. the crossing she attempted is one of the most dangerous migratory roots in the world.

the lee knows all too well. he's a fisherman who has seen the hopeful and the desperate taking their leave by night . 50 migrants, he says cramming themselves into a fishing boat designed for a crew of 6. and the sea knows little mercy. i gotta look at it for someone sent me these photo depends on the dentist to because i have these a corpses because they got a game look in 15, it is actually the baby here. so if it was such a powerful image, no audi boost port is full of per rogues. traditional fishing boats that the human traffickers have made into their business model. one smuggler wants to buy

a per road for his next departure and degrees to tell us about the authorities and the restrictions he too, wants to conceal his identity. the 1st one, there is a police. the 2nd is the coast guard comfortable that it's hard to get out here, a legal citizen, just look at that kind of drug there, but from papa followed by a level 5. so that's a big difference. so it's just a frustrating, you know, you can put a lot of people in it use side every, they'll click, i'm just injected. typical i for this kind of, for the control is to see if they're going to station or for something else like people to visit. we have frontier for capture. the mohammed arrived here 2 months ago. he is a welter by trade and has one aim to reach europe. as a day labour, he earns the equivalent of 10 years a day, which he spends on food, water, and somewhere to live. god bless,

you know where she is. i've seen the people here. are she like gravity, blue? we're looking for what their own kind of like. and grandpa is not easy. good morning nights we come on. what are we done done? i mean it 2 months i work anyway at your job. i far to lose your girl for la la to despite everything she has suffered and the huge sums of money she has spent, she is still determined. she tells us that however horrible her memories are of being at sea. she would do it all again to get to europe, where she hopes to earn a living. in this city of 840000 inhabitants, more than 30000 r like lala and mohammed waiting to leave. but many find themselves trapped for months, even years saving what little they earn to be able to afford a boat to europe must speak now to house on old,

democratize research and consultant. and they also have the forthcoming book after the border, externalization migration, race and labor in mauritania has done this good to have you on the program. welcome to the w, east africa. now north african countries have been the main exit points for migrants going to europe. so can give us some context as to why or how west african countries like more. it's amy and become major hubs as well. uh, thanks for inviting me to be here. and i guess uh the context goes back to 2006 when uh for mars here at least, archers increased um, quite significantly. um from the west austin coast to the canary islands. upwards of 32000. and the people arrived on the items um,

over the course of the year um, um, as a result of those arrival service and um, as a slew measures both militarized security measures um on the part of european states and spain in particular the european union. in addition to more uh, soft, uh, developmental measures like jobs at origin programs and uh you can finance programs um all with the aim of preventing people from um, leaving the coast of uh, west africa to europe. um they have had various degrees of success over the years, but of the recent arrivals over the last couple of months and uh the latter half of 2023 in particular as they indicate um there is those of us a little bit low. i would rise success and the prevention of those

departures from uh, west african right on entertain. and just clarifying some of these people uh, both mauritania and, and people coming from other other countries as well, using mauritania as a, as a rouge. yeah, that's correct. um, primarily uh, people using martini as a ruth and so you're saying the best deal between you and more attain yeah. will not achieve it's a and yes, in the immediate term, i think it might succeed in preventing departures, maritime departure. so from the coast of mauritania to the canary islands, boss, i think the broader aim of preventing so called irregular arrivals in europe will not be achieved by this deal. i think people will continue to migrate through

on authorize channels uh, most likely through the border post between uh the rocking western sahara and uh, mauritania. um, travel overland, um and uh, best routes will disperse in response to these kinds of deals. and i'm saying this just based on the basis of what has happened in the region since 2006, when of i mentioned the initiative to kind of externalize migration controls to martini and other countries in the region was initiated. and that's on this. but you would to still pursue this. um, this plan as, as it were to, to cut down migration numbers is a better way. it can collaborate with countries like more. i saying you had a cheating this and yeah, i think so,

i think the 1st is the boss, the increasing the scope for legal migration into european territory. and this is something that is promised within the deal. so there is one aspect of it bass uh, dollars for a increase and i think both students a student visas for martini and national in addition to um, i think so if you're migrations, gains the boss given that as we said earlier, it's primarily north montana national so we're trying to get from morrison you to your i'm not convinced as to how effective that particular measure will be because it's essentially promising a certain i'm very limited. it must be said degree of that mobility for martini national. so you're an exchange for

a non montane and migrant smile and be in martin you being a police times caspar, they are so i think boss me increasing the scope for legal migration. and of course, the scope for applying for assign them for introduce production across the you, not just in spain was reduce the number of people migrating through any old channels. that's been a long argued and migration studies, scholarships, thought a restriction and visas uh, avenues to migrate legally. um increases others have the uh, cost functional human cost of the journey to europe rather than stopping them. and then also for those who do make us and it has the kind of traverse consequence of

preventing them from going home because it will be that much difficult to come back . so if it were the case that it were possible to migrate legally, there would be less of an incentive to stay in your in context or any destination context once uh when i arrived right on top will have to leave it that. so now, but thank you very much for your insights. thank you very much. running the nigeria has a new national and some of the old one brought back present bullet to nubile signed into law. it's a mock his 1st year in office, but with the countries pressing economic and security challenges, was this what nigerians really needed at this point? dw supplies to kara has been finding out

mm hm. and you need to write your 1st post independence. and then for these kids, it's a new to you and they'll have to then i liked it. so i mean mixed with the amish. and but andrea, we, you, that's. and so the only thing i can think about it, i just know that is, and i do, yeah, we don't want that. 90 era we here will be was dropped by maybe a trick of main. in 1978, i was replaced with a rice combat troops. the surprise switch back to the old at them has left many line jerry is outraged. the see president black zillow bush should be working to fix the real issues. are fixing manger as today. that the cost of living crises and run plant in security. i think i what the government is really just the clock i just have to because of the default and i do have to keep busy talking about i feel

good about what's going on. what that means that that problem wants to change that and change, and that's not. and so it said there were to me, everybody in this country is about charlie below they do about fund. i think that is what the government you're looking to find and showed that the vs people suffering the speed of the change has also come in for criticism. rushed to probably a major. we need to console taishan. see critics the aqua send about the wida implications. there are no podiatry, probably discussions. government did not provide pressure now did not create public engagement and support. and therefore, even though it's not long as lots kind of utilized video new push us this on this one isn't the new on same scroll for unity and brought the who maybe to boost top priority. but many named jerry i was wanting to foreclose on solving the country's economy was right. that's it for now. would be sure to check out all the

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