is here, want to live in peace. you most need feeding the and there are no costs for the square where the tax to place to be re named in honor of the slain police officer. and that's our time. but stay with us up next and interview with indonesia isn't bassett, or to germany on the call for lee. thank you so much for your company. by the can you hear what old car tires have to do with the production? here's a hands on the real media now on youtube that you use all to bind deforestation from the supply chains of its companies is

a frustrating trade partners abroad. just take indonesia, which has valuable minerals for use in tech like batteries and computer chips. it says the regulation is harming it's small farms. this back comes as the 2 of the rushing out to free trade deal. so does the you back down and it's environmental principles or put it risk its relationship with indonesia and potentially cut off of vital supply chain. i spoke with indonesia as i'm past that to germany, asking him if they close to ceiling. a deal for us is in general uh the largest uh element which is uh, timber and from iowa. i think we are confident it is not a big problem. so i think uh all in all the question for us is that you ready? is you ready? because you will be asking, are you ready to abide by the empty deforestation?

we are always, we are ready because it has to be the question, is that the will you implemented u. d r? without discriminations? for instance, if you do the boys okay, by my by model is the only for just the oil with stringent certifications. reps it and you know, certification side being and you know, certifications where you file or that as receive billions and billions of utilize a subsidy. are they willing to be a you know, putting a stringent requirements? so we already you said in the tweet, europe's mature forest a dying and you lost $2200000.00 hectares of forest. but he didn't know much of protest from those who scream about deforestation and the global south. why? so do you think that europe has been hypocritical on this? absolutely, absolutely. um, exactly, that is my question is you ready?

in the, in the u. d r, for instance, we've done a survey with professor from good thing on university. and in addition, new infinity to the mother. idols, 27 members that only half knows the 3 did we sign in 2013 members days. don't really. i the and i want to be blonde. see all the they don't, they don't, they're not willing. they're not able to promote the product. so this is a legally binding through the menu. okay, ready? 5, the all members of parliament and he verified by our problem. and so is a very strong, stronger than to u. d r. and yet a rustle is no commitment to implement what is already agreed. so then the question is always from my side, where does your fed treatment and are you ready? look at it from the use position. i guess they're going to say, if we say we want, you know, environmental standards in this getting and yet let big financial institutions

invest in companies that are coming out, deforestation, then that is going to be a must've point of hypocrisy for the use. so they have to do something. yes, i small hold as won't be affected by this at all. everything will be fine. as long as the, the you implements what has been agreed fully false. because the problem, maybe the spot of orders, the big companies, the, the big investment issue that we mentioned, they are sensitive to public image, right? that's sensitive to criticism that they have to attach way and you. so they're the one who originally have the drive. was this drive to become good in the sustainable? the problem with this model harder is that we have 1st of all, around 41 percent of the 16000000 heck that will find lawyers and it's an old and by small orders, small me in a half heck are up to 3 or 4 actors. and they might not have the land titles. so

what was going to happen is that because of desegregation system that you put on the d r. so the big companies, they said, well okay, i'm sorry, small farmers, i'm not going to take your products as i wanted to be sure this coming from mile and property. and um, you know, i'm sorry about you. it's still no problem because i went to sell to do you, what's your, what's your message to the new one. but the message is very simple, that your policy is not well thought out. your, your aim is to create a free, diverse fissions. but you are actually killing the small holders who have nothing to do in default of stations. ok, so if you really want to be serious in this fight against your decision, which we also have a serious, you can engage us much more robustly. okay?

want to move on to to nickel. yes. specifically, nichol. indonesia is expected to meet 2 sides of the world's needs for nichol, which is obviously like the manufacturer of yeah. batteries for like a vehicle. yeah. a mobile phones and so on. but there are complexities. so the nickel price has come down quite a bit in the last 18 months. it's a very common intensive industry and don't know all of the nickel being produced is yet battery. great. so what does in the news you're doing to meet these challenges? so 1st of all, i think is to get a better smelting system. the furnace is better. okay. and in that, in that regard, we are inviting for investors. so now we have a chinese, what are the in indonesia, we have canadians. we have for korean with the japanese and i've been working very hard to bring joyce in investors on this kind of

a project. so brussels sort of help us instead of attacking us. because in the context of a f d between brussel and sheila, they are willing to allow to late the process in cuba. it. so again is the double standard. when she led the willing to process the government deals and jewelry, they were willing to allow investment in training. but the, the initial is definitely a tech, but the world trade organization route and the use favor. so just to just to dig into the steps of the legs, of course, and then these are impose the band on the exportation vehicle or so that you could support these smelting industries. and so why do i arrange an easy? all right? but the says that that's on fast and the world trade organization ruled in its favor. so what is the way to settle this dispute as time when appeals are just not being process? yeah, number one, the question of the fact that they are claiming our data shows that we never

actually exploded, believe that is a shipment from indonesia to one in your country in one airport. but the information that i receive for this is a part of the collect nicko from africa. you might want to in the future, a lot of him, but this, this, this, this, this nichol that came from indonesia sitting in one year of input to go and make the change. so the question is, what is the issue? is you actually once the k uh wants to secure a strategic mentor? exactly. so i didn't do it just for the book with us instead of, you know, con, because even push the button. no, we open the opportunity for you to come and to invest in indonesia, you know, as what the chinese gallery and japanese canadians,

the french. what's the different with the french and brussel it's, it's the same. so it's, it's a reality french investment. maybe you hope to have a 2 german companies investing in this area, so, you know, what's, what's the, what's the, what's the mazda then if you have a concern about of your nickel, there's not a green enough to come and assist us. we are open for your assistance, be open foil discussions if, if you want to be part of the discussion that this includes save non calling alice stick. you know, uh does this uh, you know, extend your hand so you say that the was behaving in a, as in a colonial lising model. it's uh, it's not a go now let me doesn't, but at least on it, i wanna dig more into what you're saying about the industrial. was it trade? imperialism? yeah. how does into these a balance? it's trade relations and the past conflict of interest between the us,

you get china. yeah. i think 1st i would like to address the number of the trade basically trade with china. it's increasing because we have the, the we china and now we are not increasingly heavy and lots right with the us because we sign f re sign in the national partnership. so let us press them. if, if they say we're not open, we open to the us. we have uh open relations with australia with the rest and countries. we try not to band with we thought korea. so i think coming back to my this is you ready? whether you didn't try it, but a g, u, d r, where the nickel, so that is the question said we want to pose. okay. so um indonesia is economy has consistently performed well. yeah, i like. how have you managed to achieve that and avoid the trap that some countries are falling into cold? the results cost?

you know, it's not just a matter of having lots of resources, therefore you become a develop the economy, but rather it's how you manage them. so how is indonesia managed to do that? um, digital economy is one of the. so if you look at the size of you to be to that economy, they have the beacon, they have nothing to do at all with research. that's of us is the 5 area media is the largest of uh, our digital economy, e commerce. uh van dyke. okay. and then also um, hotels, services and then uh for delivery by the simple. but we are to enter it into meeting people. so the delivery business is very, very big, especially during the bundle make. and the 2nd thing is the age we have uh for 8 years of 29 years old. and it means domestic consumption is quite high. and we have a very good control the invitations of course, prudence in,

in the state budget, and declining all of the unemployment and coming of the investment. and the investment income is not necessarily the sauce, but also manufacturing as well. okay, i just want to end on on one thing. quite simply. what is your message to or left shots as i'm positive germany, if you can tell him one thing about what he should do to work with indonesia, what is your request, what you're asking him? the hell bus and the discussions with the you to finish the f d a over to you as soon as possible. and of course, the effect will be bringing more germany investigator in indonesia, we even prepare german industrial parks. in indonesia we have read software for too many industries,

german tories to my colleagues. in addition, we have a very long tradition of relation with the news in germany. not very many people know that. but the 1st european, given the today show was not dodge taylor who was not the spanish. it was a german governors 500 years ago. so i would say that we have a very long relations and is a very positive relation because it is not colored by colonialism. so, you know, in germany it has a very positive vibes innovation. so you are looking forward to the next $500.00. yes, absolutely. i thank you very much for taking the time to talk to you. you're welcome . have a good a the, what's new will tell you. we are happy that we are back to the story.

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