and that's your news update at this hour, but stay with the w because after a short break, we'll have an interview with indonesia isn't bassett, or to germany for you. i'm nicole fairly from all of us here in our news room in berlin. thank you so much for your company. the goal for is john packed has one of $0.70 line focused. everything is simply designed so i can do this, which gives me extreme freedom. how does the time, tim and champion? so what his commitment holly, i'm the sound of football dogs, june, 13th, dw, the use all to bind deforestation from the supply chains of its companies is

a frustrating trade partners abroad. just take indonesia, which has valuable minerals for use in tech like batteries and computer chips. it says the regulation is harming it's small farms. this back comes as the 2 of the rushing out to free trade deal. so does the you back down and it's environmental principles or put it risk its relationship with indonesia and potentially cut off a vital supply chain. i spoke with indonesia as i'm past that to germany, asking him if the close to ceiling a deal for us is in general. uh the largest uh element which is uh timber and from iowa. i think we are confident it is not a big problem. so i think uh on an all the question for us is that you ready? is you ready? because you will be asking, are you ready to abide by the deforestation?

we are always, we are ready because it has to be the question, is that the will you implement u d r without discriminations? for instance, if we do the boys okay, from way by model is the only for you the oil with stringent certifications. reps it and you know, certification. so side being in your know, certifications where you file or that is received billions and billions of utilize a subsidy. are they willing to be uh, you know, putting a stringent requirements. so we already you said in the tweet, europe's mature forest a dying and you lost 2200000 hectares of forest. like, you know, massive protest from those who scream about deforestation in the global south. why? so do you think that europe has been hypocritical on this? absolutely, absolutely. um, exactly, that is my question is you ready?

in the, in the u. d r, for instance, we've done a survey with professor from good thing on university. and in addition, new infinity that the mother out of 27 members, that only half knows that she did resign in 2013 members. dates don't really. i the and i want to be blonde. see that they don't, they don't, they're not willing or they're not able to promote the product. so this is a legally binding through the menu. okay, ready? 5, the all members of parliament and he verified by our apartments. so is a very strong, stronger than u. d. r, and yet a rustle is no commitment to implement what is already agreed. so then the question is always from my side, where does your fed treatment and are you ready? look at it from the use position. i guess they're going to say, if we say we want, you know, environmental standards in this getting and yet let big financial institutions

invest in companies that are coming out, deforestation, then that is going to be a must've point of hypocrisy for the use. so they have to do something. yes, i small hold as won't be affected by this at all. everything will be fine. as long as the, the you implements what has been agreed fully false. because the problem, maybe the spot of orders, the big companies, the, the big investment issue that we mentioned, the sensitive the public image, right? that's sensitive to criticism that they have to attach way and you. so they're the one who originally have the drive was this drive to become green and sustainable? the problem with this model harder is that we have 1st of all, around 41 percent of the 60000000 heads that are fund miles and is an old. and by a small load is small me in a half that are up to 3 or 4, it does,

and they might not have the land title. so what was going to happen is that because of desegregation system that you put on the u. d. r. so the big companies, they said, well okay, i'm sorry, small farmers, i'm not going to take your products. i want to be sure this coming from my own property. and um, you know, i'm sorry to bother you. it's not my problem because i went to sell it to you. what's your, what's your message to the one that the message is very simple, that your policy is not well thought out. your, your aim is to create a free do for our stations. but you are actually killing the small hoarders who have nothing to do a deforestation. okay, so if you really want to be serious and in this fight against you for decision which we also have very serious, you can engage us much more robustly. ok.

i want to move on to to nickel. yes. specifically, nickel, indonesia is expected to meet 2 sides of the world's needs for nickel, which is obviously like the manufacturer of you batteries for like a vehicle. yeah. a mobile phones and so on. but there are complexities. so the nickel price has come down quite a bit in the last 18 months. it's a very carbon intensive industry and don't know all of the nickel being produced is yet battery. great. so what does into an easier doing to meet these challenges? so 1st of all, i think is to get a better smelting system. the furnace is better. ok. and in that, in that regard, we are inviting for investors. so now we have a chinese already in indonesia, we have canadians. we have for agreeing with the japanese and i've been working very hard to bring joyce in investors on this kind of

a project. so brussels sort of help us instead of attacking us. because in the context of a at the beginning, brussel and sheila, they are willing to allow too late to process into that. so again is the double standard. when she lived, willing to process the trauma deals and jewelry, they were willing to allow investment in training. but the, the initial is definitely a tech, but the world trade organization ruled in a huge favor. so just to just to dig into the start of the legs, of course the end and these are imposed a band on the exportation vehicle or so that you could support these smelting industries. and so why do i arrange an easy, all right? but the says that that's on fast and the world trade organization ruled in its favor. so what is the way to settle this dispute as time when appeals are just not being processed? yeah, number one, the question of fair that they are claiming our data shows that we never actually

exported to you. that is a shipment from indonesia to one your country in one airport. but the information that i receive for this is a part that collect nicko from africa. you might want to in the future, a lot of him, but this, this, this, this, this nichol that came from indonesia sitting in one year of input to go and make the change. so the question is, what is your, is you actually, what's the k uh wants to secure a strategic mentor. exactly. so i didn't do it just for the book with us instead of you know, con, because even push the button. no, we open the opportunity for you to come and to invest in indonesia, you know, as what the chinese gallery and japanese canadians,

the french. what's the different of in the french and then brussel? it's the same. so if we have what a french investment, maybe you hope to have a 2, a german companies investing the visa so you know what's, what's the, what's the, what's the method? and if you have a concern about, or your nickel is not green enough to come and assist us, we are open for your assistance. be open foil discussions if, if you want to be part of the discussion that is inclusive non calling alice take uh, you know, uh just this uh you know, extend your hand so you say that he was behaving in a, as in a colonial lising mama. it's uh, it's not a go now let me, does anybody else on it? i wanna dig more into what you're saying about the industrial. was it trade? imperialism? yeah. how does into these a balance? it's trade relations and the pass conflict of interest between the us, the in you,

china. yeah. i think 1st i would like to address the number of the trade basically trade with china. it's increasing because we have the f, the we china. now we are not increasingly heavy and load straight with the us because we sign f re sign in the national partnership. so what is press them? if, if they say we're not open, we open to the us. we have uh, open relations with australia with the rest, some countries we try not to band with we thought korea. so i think coming back to my this is, is you ready with the didn't try it, but the u. d r, where the nickel, so that is the question said we want to pose. okay. so i'm in, denise is economy has consistently performed well. yeah, i like how long have you managed to achieve that and avoid the trap that some countries are falling into cold?

the results cost, you know, it's not just a matter of having lots of resources, therefore you become a develop the economy, but rather it's how you manage them. so how is entities you manage to do that? um, digital economy is one of the. so if you look at the size of the be to that economy, they have the beacon, they have nothing to do at all with research that's of us is the 5 area media is the largest of uh, our digital economy, e commerce. uh van dyke. okay, and then also um, hotels, services and then uh for delivery by the simple but we are to enter it in to meet people. so the delivery business is very, very big, especially during the bundle make. and the 2nd thing is the age we have uh, 40 years or 39 years old. and it means domestic consumption is quite high. and we have a very good control the invitations of course, prudence in,

in the state budget. and declining all the unemployment and coming of the investment. and the investment income is not necessarily a resource, but also manufacturing as well. okay, i just want to end on, on one thing. quite simply, what does your message to off shots as i'm positive germany, if you can tell him one thing about what he should do to work with indonesia, what is your request, what you're asking him to have a bus in the discussions with the you to fitness the f d over to you as soon as possible. and of course, the effect will be bringing more germany and us visa in indonesia. we even prepare um german industrial parks. uh, any other issue? um, we have red top rates for too many industrious german tories to my colleagues. in

addition, we have a very long tradition of relation with the news and germany. not very many people know that. but the 1st european who came to the show was not dodge taylor, who was not the spanish. it was a german doctors 500 years ago. so i would say that we have a very long relations and is a very positive relation because is not colored by colonialism. so, you know, in germany it has a very positive vibes innovation. so you're looking forward to the next $500.00. yes, absolutely, and thank you very much for taking the time to talk to you're welcome. have a good a the, the only way i can be on the top is to create my own empire, discover stories to

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