dillman to you one you have you have a one to start in either front porch. can you please go to the spot and unexpected side to side. this is data media is africa coming up on the program. south africa's elections have not yet, but the new government, but can the process so far be seen as a win for democracy? as the ruling african national congress reaches out to the opposition in the hopes of forming a government, we hear reflections from south africans on the states of that democracy. also coming up the migrants trying to find their way to europe despite the 200000000 euro efforts to stop them. we hear from one woman in more atanya area brings back. it's a national anthem, but all the government,

i'm the people singing from the same him. she's the head of what i'm told me on. why the boy it's good to have you with us. south africans are waiting to see what the next government will look like. following last week's elections, but one thing is set and the ruling african national congress has lost its majority . for the 1st time since the end of apartheid, the party will need to make a deal with the opposition to form a coalition government. the result was a major blow for the and see since 1994, it's secured more than 60 percent of the vote in every election except to one. and that's until this year, when it could only gain 40 percent and it appears the public dissatisfaction was not just with the and see but with the political process as

a whole voter turnout has been on a gradual decline in recent years. but this year, so the lowest ever in south africa's 30 yeah. democratic history. but president 0 rama pulls that insist there's much to celebrate. people have given effects to the tardy and co. busy that was, that has it resonated across generations that the people shall govern. busy people have spoken whether we like it or not. they have spoken. and so what are the options for the amc? the obvious choices the team up with the largest opposition party, the democratic alliance between them, they would have enough seats in parliament to govern despite the differences of the all the options would be the economic freedom finds us and the i'm comfortable with these way potty o m k party. it's led by a former president jacobs luma was almost potty has demanded ramos step down as

a condition for a coalition. a sign of the personal animosity between the 2 and the half of pledge to nationalized south africa as important gold and platinum mines, as well as the central bank, which some experts say could be damaging for south africa's image with foreign investors. so clearly not an easy task ahead for the n c and president drama plaza . but as the political parties negotiate, let's get the view from south africa and stuff africans. actually we have kimberly, and we'll go sho in johannesburg and we have, let's see by sydney look up in paula kline a good to have the 2 of you on the program. welcome to dw news africa. let's start with you. let's see what you voted fs and they cannot make freedom fighters. why? why did you i am thinking will search for the me and then 3 teams. 2 of us. i look, yeah, i had

a couple of things that i based my choice on. so the 1st to ask the money system. so the election money says to, according to me was where it'd be fixed. you know, you do anything. um, you know, the engine process is of making sure that it reflects the day, wishes and views of the people on the ground. there was a lot of consultations we defended and sick tests of business. i a t being business being in touch in mand or the success of the society and making sure that the manifesto is as well informed as possible. uh yeah, well welcome to more of the issues in a bed, but i just wanted to have a brief summary kimberly you voted for 3 different parties of different levels. so how come as well just to say so that the original one that i voted for was a rise on c, and it's quite a new party. it's also got

a lot of younger people in it and i felt like it would be great to kind of give them a chance to, you know, get an idea of what it is like to run a country. but obviously at a lower level, which would also give them a lot of experience. and then my national party, i voted for u d. m. i feel like i really liked to be a manifesto as a, i've voted for them the last time as well. and as much as the not as popular to everyone, i'd rather go with one that speaks to my hearts and then a provincially. i went for action, se, mainly because the home in my show for example, when he was given certain duties to fulfill. he really did fulfilled him and his time was just cut short, but i really believe that they could make a difference as well. right. so yeah, i thought a bit of a variety is good for that. okay, going back to you, let's see by you when you were choosing who to go to vote for and and,

and going to the pilot box. what were the main issues that influenced you about what, what was top of your mind? yeah, well basically the 1st of the big category of 6 gigabytes, you know, we're looking at info aspect to in terms of fab accessibility, in terms of the roads. we're looking at healthcare. we're looking at um, len instead of, you know, if they put it in atlanta for a variety of purposes, which cutting these, the very expensive thing to, uh, to acquire, you know, looking at what we can get access to is cool and provide education. so all those type of things with key to my decision making, because i've said i should vote for an organization that i feel at this point in time is capable of addressing those issues in the most effective way. right? i'm looking at south africa as a whole. b amc, the national congress has been the dominant party for most of both your lives and

now they've suffered major losses. kimberly, how do you feel about the prospect of a multi party government to be honest, i would rather prefer that. i feel like i, i, i, i feel like i don't have an issue with it. i wouldn't want necessarily, and i don't want to bash anybody, but i wouldn't necessarily want in see to run on its own again. but i also wouldn't really want to run on its own. so i think for example, been having a clinician, i think would be good and it would challenge both parties too. rather instead of constantly calling outs each other's faults, then to rather work together towards making an actual change in the country. i think they both have the strengths and weaknesses and they could work together for the pit of the country. it's just interesting points are less about what do you think this. all right, we're not going to it to. it's

a final answer yet. but in terms of a government, but what do you think this development says about the state of democracy in south africa? or when we are looking at democracy at play and, you know, to each see pretend shadow, you know, and put it on a subject into just one organization each. yeah. and you know, so people have good now the liberty to choose who they think and believe that the present that they have us and wishes with. and then also this also bring together in, you know, a lot of the expertise and knowledge and other than only looking for answers from one group of people. you know, it could take one of the 706 fifties. and so, and that would come together and make sure that they use a pool of knowledge and expertise that might possibly take a country for investment and what it would be if you were to address this. whichever government comes in unless you buy and you want to give them one point,

the top of your list that they should address immediately what, what would you want them to do for you? um, well, do the, the, the issue of the land. um let, let us make land accessible for you closed um, distribution and use because we plan to then comes a lot of things, you know, a lot of opportunity to satirize is people can open their businesses to sustain themselves. you know, people and use it for extra college, you know, people can use it for preprocessing them and yeah, now they'd be access to all those other things. so i think that the main issue would be and then your next completion of the end. okay. kimberly will finish up with you what, what would you be top of your list? a man with dismay to use the use development and use unemployment because they use all going to run the country eventually. and we really need some, you know,

we need purpose citizens of the country who are also in a good social, economic standing in order for them to be productive people within the country. so for me as the youth, they are number one, top of my list and that's a great point to stop the world. thank you very much. kimberly in control when john his book, unless he by my go by in public line is great to have you. it's been good to have you on the program. the irregular migration to europe is on the rise, and the e. u is attempting to bring down the numbers by quoting some of the countries where migrants travel from all travel through a one root that's grown popular is what's known as the western african root and more attain yeah, is one of its trends at hubs. the government that signed a deal with 210000000 euros with the you to manage the flow. we have a special report from the more retaining and city of not able a transit point for thousands who set out on this hazardous journey. la

la, grew up in senegal and in more tenea where she has long dreamed of a better life. by the time she was 30, she'd saved enough to pay for a p rogue to take her from the capital, knew watch shot to spain's canary islands and future in the you. it's hard for her to recount the ordeal. she suffered slips so they were all sorts of nationalities. molly and kim rooney ends, nigerians, martini and senegalese, in the police themselves. chains that take us to the beach is the big boat take you to europe is waiting out as i see and load up like a small boat come to pick you up and take 20 people on board. 20 people 20 people not everyone to get on because there were so many of us one more than 100 or so. for example, if you design only 80,

we're lucky enough to get on. i've seen people almost went mad. sometimes people fight with each other with the captains, have big knives to threaten you and tell you to shut up or they'll throw you on the beach to show my before and they're not kidding. like i put them on the ground people, one of which is if she knows you was just all up last you don't got the one but, but it wasn't to be after 4 days at sea drifting without few they ended up on a beach in northern mauritania, before nationals will be deported, but law as a martini and was simply released the motor cars you provided me. i haven't been able to honestly, since i got back when i sleep, i feel like i'm still in the boat. that was rocking and i see in my mind is fed even when i closed my eyes like this. i feel i'm swinging in the stuff that the crossing she attempted is one of the most dangerous migratory roots in the world. i

. li knows all too well. he's a fisherman who has seen the hopeful and the desperate taking their leave by night . 50 migrants, he says cramming themselves into a fishing boat designed for a crew of 6. and the sea knows little mercy. i got a little curious if for someone sent me these photons, depends on the dentist. because i have these a corpses that they gotta look a bit tv. it is actually the baby here to put them on such a powerful image. nobody boost port is full of per rogues. traditional fishing boats that the human traffickers have made into their business model. one smuggler wants to buy

a per road for his next departure and degrees to tell us about the authorities and the restrictions he too wants to conceal his identity. the 1st one, there is a police but got yeah. yeah, that's the 2nd, the zip codes, guys. we're talking to you, it's hard to get out of here, legally, the football looking at the drugs that are from the top of photo. so i think that's a big for me if you can put a lot of people in that you saw it to have, you know, for this kind of drugs for the controls to see if they're going fishing or for something else the people to visit. we know how made arrived here 2 months ago. he is a welter by trade and has one aim to reach europe. as a day labour he earns the equivalent of 10 year was a day, which he spends on food, water and somewhere to live of these you know where she is. i've seen the people

here. are she like going to the blog? we're looking for work their own kind of like grandpa. it's not easy. it is good morning and nights we come on. what are we done done? i've been it 2 months. i work anywhere where i live far to for law law to despite everything she has suffered and the huge sums of money she has spent, she is still determined. she tells us that however horrible her memories are of being at sea. she would do it all again to get to europe, where she hopes to earn a living. in this city of 840000 inhabitants, more than 30000 r like lala and mohammed waiting to leave. but many find themselves trapped for months, even years saving what little they earn to be able to afford a boat to europe must speak now to house on old,

democratize research and consultant. and they also have the forthcoming book after the border externalization migration, race and labor in mauritania has done, is good to have you on the program. welcome to dw his africa. now north african countries have been the main exit points for migrants going to europe. so can give us some context as to why or how west african countries like more. it's amy and become major hubs as well. uh, thanks for inviting me to be here. and i guess uh, the context goes back to 2006, when uh for mars here, at least, um, archers increased um, quite significantly. um from the west docking coast add to the canary islands. upwards of 32000. the people arrived on the items um, over the course of the year,

um, um, as a result of those arrival service and a slew measures both militarized uh, security measures um on the part of european states and spain in particular the european union in addition to more a soft developmental measures like jobs at origin, programs and youth employment programs um all with the aim of preventing people from leaving the coasts of west africa to europe. they have had various degrees of success over the years. but of the recent arrivals over the last couple of months and the latter half of 2023 in particular as they indicate there. how is those of us a little bit who would rise success and the prevention of those

departures from uh, west african right on entertain you and just clarifying some of these people uh, both mauritania and, and people coming from other other countries as well, using words and you as a, as a rouge. yeah, that's correct. um. primarily people using martini as a ruth. and so you're saying the best deal between you, they do you and more attain, you will not achieve it's a and yes, in the immediate term, i think it might succeed in preventing departures, maritime departure. so from the coast of mauritania to the canary islands, boss, i think the broader aim of preventing so called irregular arrivals in europe will not be achieved by this deal. i think people will continue to migrate through

on authorized channels uh, most likely through the border post between uh the rock in western sahara and uh, mauritania, um, shopping, overland, um and uh, best routes well dispersed in response to these kinds of deals. and i'm saying this just based on the basis of what has happened in the region since 2006, when i was, i mentioned the initiative to kind of externalize migration controls to martini on, to other countries in the region was initiated. and that's on this, that you would to still pursue this. this plan as, as it were to, to cut down migration numbers is a better way. you can collaborate with countries like why saying you had a cheating this and yeah, i think so,

i think the 1st is boss the increasing the scope for legal migration into european territory. this is something that is promised within the deal. and there is one aspect of it bass uh, dollars for a increase. and i think both students, uh, student visas for montana national as in addition to um, i think so if youre migrations gaines, um the boss given that as we said earlier, it's primarily not martini national. so we're trying to get from morrison you to your um, i'm not convinced as to how effective that particular measure will be, because it's essentially promising a certain, i'm very limited. it must be said degree of that mobility for more attaining nationals, to your in exchange for a non mar,

attaining and migrant smoking to be in march. and you being a police times caspar, they are so i think boss me increasing the scope for legal migration. and of course, the scope for applying for us item for internet protection across the you, not just in spain, what's reduce the number of people migrating uh through any old channels. that's been a long argued and migration studies, scholarship stuff, a restriction and visas and avenues to migrate legally. um increases other side of the uh, cost, financial and human costs of the journey to europe rather than stopping them. and then also for those who do make us and has the kind of traverse consequences of

preventing them from going home because it will be that much difficult to come back . so if it were the case that it were possible to migrate legally, there would be less of an incentive to stay in your in context or any destination context once uh, when i arrived right, i saw an old look. tom will have to leave at that. now, but thank you very much for your insights. i was running the nigeria has a new national, and some of the old one brought back present bullet to nibble signed into law. it's a mock his 1st year in office, but with the countries pressing economic and security challenges, was this what nigerians really needed at this point? dw supplies sugar has been finding out

mm hm. major ss, post independence and same for these kids. it's a new tune. they'll have to then i liked it. so i mean mixed with the amish. and but 90 of you that's, it's just the only thing i can think about. i just know that is and i do. yeah, we don't want that at that 90 era we here will be was dropped by imagery. government in 1978 was replaced with a rice or compact troops. the surprise switch back to the old at them has left many line jerry is outraged. the see president latino bush should be working to fix the real issues affecting major s to be that's the cost of living crises and rum punch insecurity. i think i, what do government is really just the clock i just have to because of the default and i do have to keep busy talking about i feel good about what's going on. what

that means that that problem wants to change that on changing us or not. and so it said there were to meet everybody in these countries, but charlie below, they knew about fund. i think that is what the government you're looking to ensure that they are the various people suffering. the speed of the change has also come in for criticism. mm hm. rushed to probably a major. we need to consult taishan. see critics, the aqua send about the wida implications. there are no podiatry. public discussions. government did not provide pressure on, well, did not create public engagement and support. i'm deaf or even though it's not long as not kind of utilized fitted new cautiousness on this one, isn't the new on same scroll for unity and brought the who maybe to new boost top priority, but many named jerry. i was wanting to foreclose on solving the country's economy

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