the floods really seem to keep going and the sound of the bowl of d. w. a surgeon support for fall right. policies in the european elections ascend tramos across the continent. not more powerful than those who's in paris and berlin for the policies of both leaders for trunk by far right opponents. my guess is we cassandra glossy, outgoing member of the european parliament in president macros. when they saw this list, how risky is macros? decision to coal snap elections in front. and when he resigned to for far right with the majority center, i've got to welcome to come pick some. thank you for revising or you're looking. you was this morning while i mean it said that the we are not satisfied with the

results and need to do a lot of that. know i'd friends, whoever bought the, the positive you sure that the we asked did the bad i think in to spend several to do a promo the while you will be on project. even this on the president macro and supporters are saying that his goal for snap elections is a high risk strategy. but is was from that, isn't that when you call elections at the same time as you have a 65 percent disapproval rating? it's a leap into the dock, isn't it? well, i mean, i don't think that the we, we, we, we should drama die is a democratic moment. it is to be at that the situation with which as a marriage the at through a vote and that will be on the nation, largely influenced by domestic issues. that the reason need to clarify that for the to go situation and browser already did,

the national assembly was struggling to function properly. 5 strong is right. mean to find that those going 3. so to wish us that the french citizens are waiting for a and then bins must drawers. i mean, the, the visitor designed to go this stream. right. assume last there with a made it even more difficult to function. so i think that so at the lead and my, me, my call and takes a high risk. but the 1st of all, it is a, is nature as that going to be the right way of asking for the funds to use as to whether you want. they spend ride in government. oh, they want that every form. uh a. i mean a national assembly. we scary out reform in another way. so i think that they this time to clarify the situation. mike crow told his team off to the results came in. i prefer a writing history rather than submitting to it. doesn't that suggest that this is a last ditch effort to do something,

anything to re game political authority because the results have been quite a slap in his face of them. but there is that the, as i said, i also have the spying micro, only the one was being that every liked it. why is the beating that they, they, they streamed, fight, it disagree at that that he doesn't want to, to submit to the then say was, would they get or did you go to the ship even do is one of the party to go to initiative, which i eat so the limp along with 1000 overall majority and problem. it says 2022 i think is a is a, is there listening to the voters and the vote? does the say we want things to happen and the, the debate that during this interview on the measuring these that were afraid you the manage to keep the focus of the debate on the re, uh you won't be any issues. because of that, i have to be dominated by purchasing power by security,

by you should that belong to the nation. i was via and belong to the confidence of the nationalist assemblies. but what matters, i'm thinking, what makes, what makes him think he can reach the voters in 3 weeks when he's had 2 years in bonnie as managed to reach them. and that time, what i mean, 1st of all, uh we, we, that we, that we can see what the goal is, the 15 to 20 percent of voters which was decided to abstain as it will be on the ledge, on what day we decide to do. and so that going to be in that as to the vote does whether they really want a that it, it, they stream right in government to take on the responsibilities. or if they want to give a clear majority to ease a reformist project, a to date, we don't have a majority to this room, right? but we don't have even even the majority for the presidential,

much for the presidential a question. and this is why we are struggling and these, why the national, the assembly is basically brought it to the bean book, but he borrowed eyes off the selection. so i mean, it took all our lives that they couldn't do. it could be power lies, think it would be a good be a money. it is. it is a difference of what the what would would decide is it started off. i mean, everybody must take on the is the only responsibilities, even with as much they go on that responsibility that this, that this value, the doubt in patient that with this situation, they will have to decide whether they want to give the majority to the president or they want to give much, i'll do this to him, right. president macro has 3 is left in office. if this policy does less than expected in the parliamentary elections, my team resign. i don't think so because the french uh, both as, as really decided that they wanted him eh, for an out of the 5 yesterday, i mean 20 to 22. so i, i think that that was damaged goods. politically isn't as it is really play on

popular president. let's face of the preventative already made the choice about the, about the president. they must made that you'll always about the how we spotted them and they want. and the problem is we skim out after the victoria of president, my growing drain going to do was it was at bonham. and the way out it was very difficult for legislate very difficult to work out concrete and effective sort of shows. and now we would see where the on the side and stuff through the i, the french, we decided to add it much more effective, the national nice and, and on around around which browser, if macro himself doesn't go put somebody in his government decide to jump ship a while, i mean, i yeah, i don't see a anybody now wanting to get out of the presidential team. i think that the, or that he does that clearly declare that the they wanted to or unite that

that you disagree or that they just, they are huge. and that there is need for union in the presidential majority. if for the foundation of the party, do a project disagree or that, that there is a, a democratic crisis. and there is the need also to reform the way the market's in politics organized. and these are the subsidies team that it didn't fish and bottom, that means we, they could be a majority who work on their, our social answer that i can only guess was by that also issues around the demographic. but the suspicion i want, i want to talk about reforms a, a bit later on and, and press you a bit on that. but so i'm wondering how much monitoring there is inside present. macro is proud to one of his own outgoing and peace of mind. you pay over said everything points to the national riley winning a relative or absolute majority. so that's a, a pessimistic view of, uh, how this selection will end up business. why is the,

should that scheme should i spell it? huh. not the, not me. i didn't, i didn't, i didn't think i made this because ation. yeah. you gotta make this a restaurant. you made it. i think that the, the, the base the up through the open ended thing that the, it this time uh, i repeat for responsibility for god charges for everybody is absolutely not true that the, as the in the you to be on an edge on that was that a way be in favor of national, right, right. a national riley. this must be confirmed that adds a just that the will actually on the the issue would be completely different. the money left, then i dropped them out. the law would, i have degree and they say, well, these well, the projects or from these it's very unclear to me today and i think it through the very end 3. 0, so for the, for the friends of all does each other has shown it is a story, a bar. and i think that's what we have to do is to prepare and to, i mean, the do, the about 30 needs goes to jersey. they showed, i'll do that, you open,

i all both so that the so called democratic forces would take on the responsibility before es, especially after the election. and because i don't think that they seem right that should the role of the scant can you see the president of micro sharing power and what the french co co habitation with a prime minister from the far right from the national riley. i think that as any progress then before we met with that at our set the, the results of the election. any resolved the, i mean be what, what the reason we say what they were there is that we'd be because i happened to meet the home because i paid for sure. ok. i hope it won't that, but do my claim i opened that the that would be the majority for, for the president bought the i mean that a reset that we apply the constitution. mister godfrey to listen to some of the do blades and pronouncements from around europe. some people seem to be teaching these

results as a cataclysmic shop for the rise of the far right. there's no surprises. it was full cost administrative by poles around the you for a very long time. so. so why the surprised scale of the victory? i think it on one hand, this gate because i mean on the object, the ground very high and the mounting lip and box the you the false bought the them of barked in the, in the, in the european parliament. so stuff that you disagree at that there is a i'm, it is a, it'd be good victory for then i would say that more because the, because for us is a key country for the european integration. and also it's not all the a found the men bestbuy this be not always the most new brand shut down to, to get that was germany. and you guys always manage sofa to brock, the rise of this thing right differently if for example, for me to a and the,

to see now that the they stream right. could see that by why in the, in the nation on the bottom, it is so totally shocked and that's all in barry's box around europe. i understand it is i think for the started going to use us and for the key role that false and that especially now in mind that mcroy has played see, is that 2017. let's look here for a med why both to is have to to the far right. so many of them inside deputy president of the commission very you're all of a sudden on this program last month said, centrist politicians haven't done enough to offer an alternative to the right to send the right to european people's party, the demand for the very best part of the problem was we could lead those like macro and schultz who no longer had widespread public support. there was a pretty serious indictments. do you agree with that? you know, i don't agree. i don't agree with the month of the day, but when they say that the amount of them are always like bi weekly, the and the as shown, even in the it's very difficult to encourage

a decision that is that you can now again, i have uh, the other, the ford bus certainly doesn't like and either lead the sheep. no, no, no. uh, no, of course. but the and shouts are being polling around 1617 percent. that's it. that's not much in the way of public support. is that what i mean? i think that's what i see the, the exciting already started for you to about leaving. let's go see that that, that we are getting down the web. we've got out of it and then make we, uh it, in a, in a theater with the war. you know, crane with bob buddies which has come back in the middle east that we saw at the end for us be much better than another county. instead of a 5 d, a gauge inflation and keeping the port jersey bow off of c. cuz as of close to a most boss dealer at the end as it rises as heated also this gantry uh there is a fee. uh there is a sensitive to a fee. uh, there is a sentiment of a certainty around you and it is set then set set the mental fee. uh so the thing

that we just few at the stream, right, they offer easy to take solution about inefficient as total shots. and so this is a what, this benefit thing that you might view popular the smooth mind and the stream right, to move mind around, around the guns and the is why we have to accelerate the response. this boat that mentioned that about i would say, especially at your yeah, i live in from blonde for a beta. i would expect that it must have more active role. there will be empty post box, the improvement of the reform at your will be out of that. do you not saying that traditional centers potters had become just a little bit too complacent to self satisfied? isn't there's some truth in the i don't the, i don't 30 go nice myself and the nice uh you, you are, but as a, as a set of, uh, satisfaction on the group. but we have been very active about being always pretty

honest up is 5 because you wanted to things that go faster and go and go and go to a demo for the, for most, especially at europe young level. i would say that the we have always show the showing the ride sense of origin. see it disagree at that the we have in the me, the friends problem and no idea will be on the bottom and found that the, at the, it is that the of share the same sense. so for just see and the same we look for, for me even eat, but i say i would say that the we have achieved the import that resolves that are producing the right effect. obviously, not fast enough, the foldable this and that will be on the nation's. why is that? i mean, b, u is an organization that never stops asking people what it should be doing and holding consultations about his role. so why that didn't listen to the criticisms, to many people was saying that they felt disenfranchised. left find, i'm consulted. and they said so they didn't like immigration policies,

the state of the economy, especially in germany on the far right, said it would fix all the problems. it's hardly surprising that large numbers, tons of them is it because those problems weren't being fixed even after they had been signed, posted pretty adequately by people over and over again. and the well, if you take migration, we have uh off the 9 in itself. this joshua negotiations, the state made the uh, we have the manage, the 2 adults, the a and reside on migration. in fact that which gives us a good box of the answers that the seat is not waiting for. because the defense wants to take back control 1000 the date, they controlled on migration to take back control on the o as then on board as to as a more efficient streamlined as item procedure to be effective and very thorough. but the country is the right to that. i mean hungry has rejected. that problem does rejected the migration packed up the, the wrong,

the board on that own go out to the wrong go migration says 201420158 does not take rest and nobody's terminated or not. i mean, the tooth was wrong on migration in 2015. and i mean, it's not because out against the right of finally we have managed to adopt what it still rules on which is the right sort of, we should on migration on those. they don't disagree. i, we have adopted 3 months ago. obviously they told us that it'd be then to feed the effect about something they are the mass by and by the way, they stream, right? when they are in the position. i like my mind that then they will, they gave the solution, but whether i can government, they count on our solutions. mister godfrey, you, you have said the, you need some more democracy. some have already asserted that these european elections prove that point. but there was nothing i'm democratic about the was the 190000000 people there about got a free vote in 27 countries,

no voting irregularities, no fraud. as far as we know, the system isn't on democratic just because you don't like the result. is it up so it through the system is the demographic but must be ruled. why? because even in this case, that in the select shows, we have back, but they've got the we were like the, it's going to 9500 and we have got my small, 27 nations out of the beta bar 3 or most 3 on domestic issues. rather than the european, not just the nation or the debate on what your should do should and don't, should do less. so should do more. and i think that these are the by adults. we are the only one in the, in the ward, like they're going to end up going to the end to it, going to the bottom of it. but we continue to do so through 27. national debate is why we propose that we, i propose that there will be on 5. i meant to act that a number of member of that would be on the bottom and voting dollars. they utilize

the, i'm 40 to go box is because that would be a elite, dirty estimate for trouble in may jo change? well let's, let's have a look at some of the changes that may come as a result of a what we've seen so far. the surge of the far right, they will have significant momentum as a result of the gains in the, in the parliament. i'm wondering how they, what we use is germany's institute for international for us as european politics are going to get more power. the rising, more politicized and more populous. which policies do you think will be most affected by the changes? well, what if, what's a phone? i would say that the, it is important that there will be on file. i'm going to the i might, it's probably it'll be a majority and the non boss on the, on our side, because that if you were to get the seats of renewal at all, for the young people, spouse, you know, this was a demo. got we got to move the 400 out those 720. so i think that 1st that we

showed the gold fee amount, it brought your majority that concept that of the, the extreme right. that might, that be effective in the trying to grow some specifically this vision that really depend a mainly on the attitude on this specific business of the europe. young people spot the like the green deal like the green deal, for instance, i would say yeah. also or the on the green dean. the issue now is to find the resources we've been mandate. i don't think that we have that the, like the war gonzalez's vision. i think that so thank you for it. let's just a different and we'll get there. now we have to focus on the resources to find them . they, it would be the investigation. i would say that the, the main issue. but what about ukraine? what about the assistance to ukraine? weapons, ammunition got. i mean, i, i, that i, i, old, but that we, we continue to take

a very strong pro grain, you know, stances on that, that it would be this stream right. there is a lot of fun be with the, there's a lot of support for moscow. isn't that among the battles and then run for money in that bad, and the going to complicate the use assistance to ukraine? isn't that i don't think so because the around the table in the accounts did where the government job, i would say that the receipt of a very large majority in favor of course doing this report grade set. the lead in some votes is going to be on the bottom and either assume ride golf. seeing that through with the prep or this passes, that seems like would be more complicated. but once again, i see that we should put that we should put that the support the brain as well. the highest priority together with the fans in the new uh, the m on the roll, your piano groups that will be on the bottom. you've talked about the need for

reform, which we've heard for years. you also want to bring in majority voting on all major issues. but the smaller countries and never got to agree to that of a, it's an old start to well, no, because the, the boss that we have managed to allowed the, the majority voting good. not to be spending that well, the fact that they will the always been is more that down to that ended up. yeah. you and yeah, and they, they, they usually that they disagree at that the, even the, from a less a be down to is more a gantries a you have to make up your mind. you cannot be in favor of the unified, they've gone through the end of the opening the door. so to create and you know what the west and bog down. and at the same time, to resist the does it majority voting because the 2 things that do not kind of are incompatible. the more we are, the more efficient must be the voting get. they both the system and also, you know,

around that they bring that down say that it's not that when you vote the by majority, you'll impose your decisions with the minority. when everybody knows that the, at the end of the day, we can vote by majority. everybody make the effort to, to bring the contribution and to reach the conclusion when it was gotten to know that it can be though it doesn't make any effort to look at the organ at all with sandra the gays to russia. so i think that these are easily the, and just especially of this more accounts is because the big guns is some guys can do on their old board was more gun 3 needs so deadly and more power for the more effective union. mister godfrey, the president of a european commission, those sort of on the lie and says the center is holding. she comforts herself with that sort. but you have the 2 big lead is if you're a president macro and john,

so the shouts of germany really fighting to regain some kind of momentum. john, so shouts, his party was beaten to adjust the price by the christian democrats. and the far right a, if the 2 big leaders struggling to hold onto the careers, what effect is that going to have on europe? i think that the now we, i but they then they, they key role that we had, they keep debate with be within that will be a problem. because the disagree or that the you that you will be on problem and we must be that. but this no new pro european majority and this probably or be a majority cause even if they were all for is that i wonder, lie and provide you that she doesn't want to. she doesn't open the door. the extreme right delta v c a e c. and the of those, the middle and end the, they keep going. i think that the but it could just me more. deadlock will delays

in committee proceedings more holdups, it could power lies the european parliament. these results come that know they quote on it because they don't have the numbers. and by the scale that they read depends on the error as possible that did all the 3 main forces. i repeat your young people's bought, this was a demo, got the end to renew or europe. i think that we should open also our majority degrees provided that they get the more problematic approach all side that issues or the dorky, especially on the all the green transition. but they think that there is a possibility of having get a stable into effect. the majority of the goals and the, the good aspect of this resolved, the ad there is a, there isn't the possibility of a stream right where the majority is stormy. but they do depend on the attitude and don't be consistent action of the 3 main forces. all right, sounds i've got say that seems to be asking

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