the, the, this is data of new news live from brilliant nato, gets ready to name it's new chief for mainly as president withdrawals and leaving the prime minister mark wrote to the only candidate to replace yes, salton virg also on the program. canadian actor donald sutherland dies at the age of 18189 summatives made by his son kiefer sutherland to says his father was one of the most important actors in the history of film. the

unpopular felt really as welcome to the program. i was going dutch prime minister, mark wrote a lot likely to become nato's next secretary general, his soul challenger romania as president cloud senior highness. hey, as withdrawing his bid and is now endorsing mr. rossa to take over when norway's ends stilton berg stands down in october, as, as young stilton berg, hands over to mark route to it's the outgoing dutch prime ministers. personal motto of go with the flow come to life. it's hard to imagine a successor, more similar in nature, to the stoic norwegian who loved the alliance for a decade. the pragmatic, likable uh, they are very capable of or foraging pollutions, and, and bring different positions together. richard is famously low key, he lives alone in a modest department in the hague. teaches weekly, at a local school and gets around the city by, by a few years ago,

a video of him cleaning up his own skilled costs went viral. this image of com confidence plus familiarity after more than a dozen years is dutch prime minister, one him early backing by most allies. dashing the hopes of a stony and prime minister kindly call us that it was finally time for a female secretary general from an eastern plank country romanian president. close . johan is, meanwhile, didn't throw his head in the ring, holding up consensus until now. that also allowed regular e. you consensus boiler victor or bond to exploit a personal grudge against boot, with whom he had clashed bitterly over the years and rule of law issues on the document. the real responsible man for home the goal is to bring home getting to the city. this time route to had to compromise by signing a letter confirming. he would maintain a pledge made by stilton berg to allow hungary to opt out of supporting ukraine at

nato. that deal is a controversial start to root this term in a way it wrote to you in an image to the consensus will of nato. so i hope the realtor will not make more of these kind of concessions to national leaders depending on the outcome of us elections in november root. they may have bigger problems. allies backing his candidacy seriously evaluated his ability to assume stilton as mantle of trump. lewisburg, i think the most important task of any secretary general is to make sure that as you unity within the lines that's going to take all root is considerable maneuvering skills was now 32 allies, political shifts under way and a war next door that's bound to run on long into his 10 year expect it to begin october 1st. well, rose, goto miller is a former deputy secretary general of nato, and i lectures an international policy at stanford university. welcome to the job

you. first and foremost, you worked closely for several years with the i was going nato chief un spelt and berg. what's your assessment of the state of nato? i think under stoughton, for the nato has released to the, to the challenges that have come from right from aggression against to crane. clearly data was assisting you crane. and in every way it's kim and stone. burke has been a very, i would say, study and strong presence in terms of, in the individual countries, you know, getting the call from him to help more to help more and, and constantly really because of this, the individual capitalist who makes the decisions and by the way that does have been very good about making decisions on helping you crate. i think that was a factor. i'm good to selection, that's a student who has been very firm in a study handle the tool or this is almost like, please say that we hear every day. but in this case, it didn't mean that he was applying study pressure to individual nato capitals to

do the maximum in terms of providing equipment from their own stocks to ukraine. now, assuming martha is actually officially confirmed as the next step, nato secretary general, what improvements do you think you could make? i think it will be an important material, because essentially there's been this effort going on. some people called trump proof nato. that is to move the management of the so called ramstein process by which the countries are pledging military assistance. keep trying to move them under the nature of each of some of the data headquarters. you just rather than having a kind of fully owned activity of the united states to manage and run that process . so i think that will be the most important thing that route to early on will have to make his mark on his, his ability to continue the flow of assistance and do it in a way that may in the end of the day, mean that the united states, a stepping back of the actions of mr. trump become the us president again in the

fall. well actually sticking with that topic. and if donald trump were to win at the presidency again later this year, what do you think it would mean for nato in general? or oh, 1st of all, i'm not predicting he's going to win by any means late and start to the imagination . but, but the 2nd point is that should he will have democracy is a great thing. should he with them? i think he will find them much different dates of any found in 2017, 1819. when i was the deputy secretary general at that point he was very tough. all nato, and very strong in, in essentially threatening not to fulfill the article 5 commitment to defend nato allies that they'd be a tab attack, say, if you're not to, you know, i'm not going to be prepared to help you. and so it was, i think, a great shock to the nato allies that this kind of transactional behavior was going on. but i think nowadays trump will find a much different nato with

a 20 out of the 32 members. states now stepping up to 2 percent of g d p. that is the commitment they made a whales to up their defense expenditure. and i understand from nato headquarters that another 2 countries are likely to hit that mark. by the time of the summit meeting and in washington next month. and so 22 out of 32, that's much better than what trump saw when he came in 2017, for the 1st time. when fewer than 10 they don't remember, states have reached to percent of g d p that you mentioned during your ukraine. let's go back to, to that topic. and now one of the most important tasks of the new nato chief will be to make sure that there is actually lasting support for ukraine. how big of a task would best be for rotate t? thank. i think again, it will depend a lot on how much a europe has to pick up the slack should the united states, you know, step back from, from the kind of commitment the president biden has,

has had. and in that case, i think it's quite healthy that a number of native member states, including the netherlands, have assign now these long term security commitments to ukraine, including the some of the largest states, such as, as france and the okay. and so it means that there is a firm commitment not only in political terms, but also in terms of the kinds of resources that nato member states in europe are, are prepared to put into a systems to ukraine going forward. and i think that the router will have a lot of a lot to work with in terms of commitments of, of money as well as, as political capital. but he may be facing challenges because it will, i think, a worry many nato capitols in europe, if uh, if the us does step back. but i liked the way last year with the munich security conference. he said, let's stop whining about trump and get on with our business. we have to be prepared to defend ourselves. so that's the right attitude. that briefly, if you code,

do you see any shift in how real to might deal with russia? no, i don't think so. because after the shoot um, of, of the malaysian airliner with so many passengers on board, back in 2014 a change router's overall approach and, and really hard. and his attitude towards russia and the russians have been very unhelpful in terms of satisfying concerns of the whole international community about that shoot down. and so i don't see any, any change and kind of overarching, a tough attitude. top stands toward moscow. rose go to motor. thank you for your insights, panting to digest, their former deputy secretary, general ross, go to more all right, moving on canadian actor donald sutherland has died. he was $88.00 his son kiefer sutherland, made the announcement in an online post. he described his father as one of the most

important actors in the history of film, and that he was never daunted by a road, a roll. good, bad or ugly. donald sutherland is expensive, career stretched from the field, mash to the blockbuster series, the hunger games. he never retired and worked regularly up until his death was more in this. let's cross live to los angeles where during this k j matthews is standing by for us k j. great to see is always so donald sutherland had that, let's say some career, very impressive. what's his legacy as well? i think his legacy can be summed up the best by his son kiefer sutherland. you know, kiefer called his father, one of the most prolific actors in hollywood and said that he was probably one of the few actors that has such a range of diverse roles and you know what i will add to that. i will call him

a redesigns me, a renaissance actor, to be precise. i mean, he's 88 years old. he started acting in the early sixty's means meaning that he's been on air, big television, m feel for decades. and during that time, there isn't a type of ruled abuse in play comedy, drama thriller. she just did everything in one of the most enviable things. i think about him if you asked me, is that he had bands from all demographics because he did the whole hunger games franchise. he brought a was a lot of millennials and people were younger. he probably were around the 60 when he 1st came out. but he also had older fields like the dirty dozen, which really was a breakout. busy for him, and he didn't mash television series, and just even recently a couple years ago he did the i'm doing with nicole kidman and hugh grant. so he really had just an illustrious career. could play any role. it was very lucky,

like you said, a lot of people forgot that he was not american. he's from canada, as he was a canadian actor, it came over to america and really found his way. certainly a really impressive fact career. i'm plenty of energy as well through arrived. it appears. so if everyone's thoughts sutherland was so great, k j have come. he was never nominated for an oscar. that is surprising, but remember he did receive on honorary academy award. i think that was back in 2017. but you know, there are a lot of actors who probably would say the same thing, but yes, not every actor could be awarded an academy award just because they have a long history of great roles. and i think looking back today, i'm sure the academy said he was one of those people who should, who should have received an oscar. and i'm hoping and wishing that we could do something next year. so i expect to see them do something next year at the oscars to honor him, but yes, he is one of those actors that will go down in history that should have received an

oscar award casual sir. what's the reaction been add to his desk? you know, surprisingly the great actress carol burnett was receiving some sort of a ceremony on the hollywood walk of fame today. and they caught up with her and she was surprised. she had not heard that he had passed away and she just said, wow, you know, she really loved him in the dirty dozen in mash and all that. he was one of her favorite actors. so believe that you know, a trouble. next thing, that's what she reacted a lot of other hollywood stars and of course the most important hollywood store would be his son, a cheaper southern and the great actor, kiefer sutherland, who released the statement basically saying you know, with a heavy heart i tell you that my father donald sutherland has passed away. i personally think he's one of the most important actors in the history of film. never daunted by a rule. good, bad, or ugly. so you know, there you have it. one of the most important actors learned everything is crap from

his father is speaking out as well. k j, we're running out of time. but briefly, if you could, he was a man who was also very political. he didn't shy away from politics. tell us a little bit about that if you could you know, when you look at people who are against the vietnam war, in terms of hollywood, the 1st person that comes to mind, jane fonda, yes, she was very actively against it. but many have forgotten that donald sir sutherland was also a very vocal opponent of the vietnam war during a time alongside jane fonda. but it never affected his career. he went on to have really great roles and was acting up until just a year ago. so yes, he was a very little bit person at one point during the vietnam more and then kind of tapered off after k j. as always, i'll get you out to you for, for a much longer than we have on. fortunately, we were at a time their entertainment journalist k. j. matthews. thanks. thank you. all right,

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