the end the dream of revolution does july 20th on d, w. the last year, poland the trends in europe and ousted the fall rights law and justice policy. so they've been in profit 8 years. but just how divided does the country remain? and how worried is the government that the far right party emerged in the european elections as the most popular among young people? my guess this week in most or is the justice minister adam. but now my opinion on that we are maybe a little bit let me think this kind of, um, the vision. how to talk about liberal values, how to talk about you're up to 2 young young voters, few countries of what's the war and ukraine more closely than poland, which was the time. and again, the put in was much beyond his board is only no one. listen. what warnings does the

government have for europe these days? i don't, but now welcome to come pick zone. i don't get to see you when he won the election last year, your prime minister donald test told everyone, this is the end, the bad times. poland, one democracy, one who spoke a little too. so didn't say democracy, there's actually a long way for being one in poland. isn't it? i think the pastor right here to solve a be in the system of to the bureau and democracy or kind of a, some of your retirement system. i think it was, it was good to say those things that we are going to be back of the democratic track. and the law tools along with of the coalition partners is guarantee that we are going into the democratic direction. but of course, and then you're the transition requires a lot of time and energy to make it properly in order to make that democracy

sustainable and long term. the factors, though you're still battling a stage operators captured by the last government judges loyal to the last ruling policy, unimpressive in the line to them. who's vito, you are not powerful enough to over time. so you, you have a lot of battles before you can try and victory. have them to this show box. uh, but basically um, i think the worst case scenario should be to say that we can adjust anything ink and just wait for the change of the president. so we have story for institutions. and interestingly, you can make a lot of the reforms not only waiting for the adoption of the just not to fact. i also by simply making like a profile is a deep discussion of those drives, as well as by making the friend personal changes as well as accountability processes and involvement and these days so. so basically that is my task on the one that has to go follow up with institutional reforms. on the other hand,

to make a deep uh, changes in those feels where it is possible to good quarter those with low. um you, i appreciate if you want to make changes and you want to know the forms, but the president andre dude has actively worked against you in january. he was in fact, sheltering in the presidential palace to form a law. and just as ministers have been convicted of abuse of par, where are you surprised when he'd go to such lengths to try to support your government? you know, i think this case was very special one and the only one that had to it was traits the power on the 1st month of law. on the other hand, it shows that the president was a, was basically called in a little bit like a political and east additional trop. do you want me to please know it is the call to because mean that a given that you dance of the december of 2023 after

a number of years of the gulf fights, the dead tore and based on the evaluation of so called 1st pilot part of the money made by mister president. so interestingly, president of poland. i'm going to the made a part of the already in 2015 regarding the state of washington. mr. companies cute, although it was a part on inc, wait after the court. the 1st these thoughts and the interesting, the after 8 years it was possible to achieve a, the called the court of sucker with his mouth saying that this part of the vipers that did not matter, i understand, but it was a huge challenge to you wasn't good i'm wondering since the president tom runs out the middle of next year, how your government will co exist with him until then. the police know that in this situation, those to dump the order put in prison and do a release of the 2 weeks of being in prison. after the 2nd part, the ink of the president, did you under estimate how hard it was going to be to dismantle the operators

installed by the law. just as part of your, your deputy day. i've called you as mer to code the damage to problems, legal system, a catastrophe. it runs deep on us through stomach level. you said this isn't a task that will take months or a year. it's going to take an, an taught term of office to undo. if you all to keep your coalition together, you're gonna have to show some results. so pretty quickly on to this, to this process, it could be long term. i need my last for longer than just a couple of moles. putting all of this stuff in the bureau power has been built over 8 years. so just these mom things this including some personal changes. it could not take place just we'd be in a couple of weeks or holes. but i think one of the important things for us i basically did is like a huge pressure on those things is the comfortability. so uh, interestingly for a number of people in poland, it does not that important wherever those eastern additions are working properly again or not. but it is important that the people that were using power this were

simply spending money. this were using public funds for political purposes, are facing responsibility for those kinds of they've committed right away. oh, well they, you know, we want, we do everything in the car, those we law. but interestingly, just a couple of weeks ago, i have something me through the one the motion to lift the parliamentary immunity to one of the 2 to one of the deputy ministers. there was another motion of the preparation. there are a lot of different cases and pending. we're going to also make accountability for so called smart advocate, campaign of usefulness judges. so i would say that it takes time, but i think we see was over week of that. so the results of the leave, but of course the event at least thing to the shelby minute. the value is submission of the view of indictment does not mean uh full accountability because he wants to give a,

the judgement of the court of the final judgment of the call. but still, i think from the point of view of the police people he, they see that things are going on, that things are going fall off. it is already acquired in photos for the, our perspective on what is happening right now in poland. one of president, dude, as advisors said that removing the 3000 judges appointed during the previous government's 10, you could cause huge legal problems and go down the mind. huge numbers of rulings that they've made. she's life isn't i think you mean uh, microsoft products companies. yes. i do, yes, yes, uh the chief of the test summary of the president of the of course use right. but the reason all of the dispatchers will do is just use quite a differentiate that some of them are so called a name them rookie charges. so the judge is squared for his graduates of the school a for a national not and for of the national school, for just sharing prosecution services. and they didn't have an opportunity then just to become judges open limitation of the national council of judiciary. some of

that are the people that made a choice of the candidates for a tire shop positions by his national council of judy sharp. so i think that one of my task is to find like the best way to make a bed, think of those judges and 2nd, to make those read this bad thing in such a way as not to undermine. and finally, to of johnson was a type in, you shouldn't be reached by with the participation because if we were to show it, i know that all the documents you should buy them, then of course it would mean a cost in the system. so that's why it is the issue that requires a deep reflection. i'm going to ask the vice commission for the, the deep um, evaluation of what different procedures sort of i think of judges. and i know that i have to meet here like to conflicting values on do i tend to get to show the independence of the other tend to do the show and the ghost ability and pull it. but there is a danger that your efforts that reform could cause chaos and actually power lies to

adjust the system goods you. there is always such always, but when we know there is, there is the reason why we should predict the outcome of things. and we shouldn't go to quickly with those changes and seconds, you know, here we know that we've missed the president with this prison. then we cannot make any betting of judges because he claims that all ventured to show me day shows that we're way right here are valid and we've out and it said the are are made without it. if laws as complex to the position of the court of justice of the you and the repeating cause, we come in the right. both courts claim that there is a flaw industry to show them the nation. so we have to rebut this law. but that's why we need to have some time, you know that to make like a proper process of letting up those dentist just about now, despite your election, when poland remains deeply divided, doesn't that didn't last is election. your civic coalition actually got few

a votes from the lord. justice coalition, 6600000 to 7600000. a move of 30 percent of the electric didn't support. i have a block since i prefer the smaller parties, not very encouraging. was it? and i think that the, you know, we are very satisfied with the result of the problem into our elections. i think nobody believes in the success of the democratic colleagues, sion, i think right now whenever you're after local elections and do a permanent directions, we have like deeper reflection on what people expect. of course, up all these politics. he's very divided and we see still quite strong position of that and just spout the and also some, let's say out there not the right week of the pop these but it, but i mean, you know, i would ask you simply tool deliver on differently reforms that we have to think about not only every level of i don't say about that if jp last rights and we those rights to but, but i think what is for me personally and both of these that we should take about

some level of homeless, the integrity professional, all of these and with the public life, so you know, all the different a spouse is of my work. i tried to show that that i knew come back those polices with respect to those basic principles of openness, transparency and dignity minister. very you mentioned the european elections, your group beat low on just this but only just to get to send 21 any piece to brussels, but they'll send 20 less than last time but only one seat behind you the show that your democracy at least for now is a pretty fragile construct and a lot of the country doesn't support you, especially your liberal attitudes on issues like abortion, and same sex marriage that has to limit your scope from a move. uh does this i think it is. uh, i think there was, you know, this kind of a problem before you repeating that, actions that the parties that are forming their willing polishan should not create

the values. it's topics and the politics that we should and was in the discussion regarding control and include those topics that are not only dividing lines between the early part t, but also and, and other addresses. but also, but there are like different scopes. and there are the different views of those issues by a part is forming the link. uh, colleagues, but i think right now it's clear that we have to believe that we have to make different changes. so for example, right now we've up to date, we've got some a novice, serious discussion concerning, same sykes registered with partnerships. maybe we will, we will not have same sex marriage yet, but for sure there is, um, i think we are getting closer to i dropped the law and the site is like the same sites. the registrar department, she may be the agenda recognition because right now you can make a correction of agenda by the child that partners with us, but we don't have like a proper light is not the procedure for this. and surely,

we have to put morning thousands on our work, respect for women's rights. the bad news for you in the european elections was the fact that the euro skeptic confederation, and much as the most popular party in opponent, among young voters, the 18 to 29 years old. how much does that, what are you? or maybe, you know, i'm worried because of the, i seem to judge, we should talk to an go generation and using their perspective, their language and the way of thinking. and in my opinion, although we are maybe a little bit, let me think this kind of a vision, how to talk about liberal values, how to talk about you're up to 2 young young voters. you know, just, i would just give you an example. you know, i'm a 47. i remember when you know that to cross the bulk of poland, you'll have to, you know, have passed towards these eyes when it was not that easy. when you know any where this will go, the way some country was regarded as a kind of

a miracle for us. okay? if you look into the duration, they don't even know what is the password about, okay? they are just traveling from even worse. simple barcelona, we just with id, you know, they don't, they don't understand what, what is like the real added value of your opinion. y'all. what is that is the value of the free exchange of goods or a move out of people in the opinion these giving us a sense of security. so, you know, if you have a better to, and you breath with this every day, you don't feel the necessity of taking care about this, that this should be clean and such a if i went through this much easier the fall of writing policies to kind of create a feeling of fear, a danger or even to make some, you know, quite a propaganda type of argumentation and that is much more attractive to the young. uh, voters, you mentioned the european union in january. you said the union was extremely

important proposal. brussels is an instrument for good and the destroyer, so we have a great loyalty to it. but this loyalty didn't extend really to the use reformed asylum, a migration policy, the new pot, cuz it's no, you're simply repeated the same veto as the previous government will protect poland against the relocation mechanism is how donald tusk bought it so much for the promise to reset the relations, this is only a partial reset, isn't it? i would suggest that we have a full reset. come, you know, uh for me, from my perspective when you rejected the part you reject about a piece of news. let me tell uh what i'm think about, okay. um, and from my perspective being the minister of justice and the you might need from the you recovery plan has been unblocked. that is the 1st drink. second. article 7 of the treaty is not any longer in use regarding paul then. and so basically we are now if we got into the country and always there is a serious risk off by the undermining of the, of the rule of law. i think with as

a little and migration package, it's quite a key of use and argument presented by the police government that basically poland is the only because accepted more than one medium refugees from ukraine without thinking about the of the, the fullest inc and the refugees we have 3 can go through it by the football team to what you fault in the ukraine. and basically there was the political argument behind the decision on the assignment of the migration. i understand that, but in, in v towing menu packed to upset the same human rights organizations that used to work closely with you when you human rights on boards. ma'am, especially since partners border guards are once again being accused of mistreating migrants and pushing them. but legally the refugee charity. they are telling you a foundation code your government stands shameful. and so to continue the policy of law. and just as most people run away and got it offloading from violent war and

persecution they, they all of them. but now we're going to put up with that with the, you know, um, please know that uh i participate quite often in uh, in different meetings of, uh, different internal bodies within the government, dealing with security, with the all the security with 10 of us. and then i'm also taking into account where these companies on the ball during the context of the wall, the happy what of the why the russian aggression on on you. right. and 1st we don't ended out that the situation that the typical situation of the boulder is the result of sako. so called hybrid war, which is instigated by the russian by the arrows regarding the end. yeah, i need to change the words this. nobody's ation of the situation. any such countries as, as, as bullet. but you're all accused of an ego push backs. no,

but but and 2nd think you know, quite the majority of people that are crossing double the, they are not interested in thinking poland, but they are just interested in moving forward to the, to germany. oh, to have it you, you country. so they don't have auntie event to be registered and i know that it with respect to those one wants to be registered. and we would like to stay and pull that then to see for the international um, and the protection where companies they are soft with the appropriate and uh and they can stay in, in, in poland. you say that but human rights watch demanded in march that you got access to the published asylum procedure for foreigners who are seeking it, repeal unlawful border regulations that legalize push backs and stop criminal prosecution and the harassment of civil society activists trying to help asylum seekers at the border is all that too much to ask. i think the police google mines is blink. every single it should be done. you know, the to put

a proper balance between the needs of the police security and the right. and the respect for, for the month of the rights of both seeking for the protection on the old out them . but now would have been satisfied with that would be the, as i said, i be the minutes. so just is a, i still called the police. you have the government take this field. let's look if we made a russian activities in problem. the prime minister announced my interest to people alleged of profit acts of sabotage and poland, and co ordination with russian intelligence. do you have a solid case against these people? no, i am the prosecutor general. uh, and i know some of those cases, you know, uh, i remember one of those cases which was quite interesting from many different than goals. it was a plot concerning getting access to the different security procedures and the information regarding the apple tv special and the guide because being uh,

the cart, uh, was a guy called a variety with the g r u. and basically this whole action was possible. thanks for the cooperation of the police and ukrainian strips services as well as the police on the cranium. prosecutors of so we are you being russians military intelligence. hey, excuse me g. i mean you have the military ontology because they may have seen for you to buy the rush. um, uh, the address and you know, and those cases that were about putting fire in different places. they were also cases, a light like this is the one where i think one of the most important cases was the case of the near brooks. well, where the guy was going to put fire under the factory of paints painting materials, unfortunately has to be stopped before doing this by the police, but the police decrypts services. so you don't need this quite a new phenomenon for us that we have that kind of new cases of expo nations. pull that, you know, and for us also what is quite important in your end and very radical one is that

one of the police judges decided to every great from poland to the system assessment. and he became a, he started to cooperate with the barbershop and the new forces. so he has been mediately exposed from the judicial uh, the position. and he has been that the price of them one of the to the show the many tiers right now. there is a repeating the restore and after he, you should, let's talk about the war in ukraine. if we may, um, from your vantage point, what are the chances you craig will lose that? and you know, i think that i, what extent my company tends to comment on such a issues, please note that i do, i deal with a lot of issues, but i'm still minutes. so just the prosecutor general. but i'm not the minutes still forming the 1st, or i'm not that political or joe political strategist,

or i'm at least you talk totally about the hybrid war. the russia is waging in poland. is this in your view, stand the kremlin interference. so part of a bigger plan yes i, i know that you would like for me to, to, to, to hear from me some more general um, argumentation regarding, uh, that is about to you know, uh there is the reason we have a great expires on those issues. ms. bennett and other stuff she called us key who has a deep knowledge about international relations and then the um to spend the golf that of the different the restroom and implant says, but you know, some of the cases of the 9 who be interested in. but maybe i will just talk to you about one more fee because i think you, you should be impulse. and you know, one of the important thing sheet ease of this government. and the problem is the tooth was the creation of a special committee. kind of my advisory body to investigate different forms of

rush. so if lawyers on police file, then this company doesn't create the just the weeks ago. it is composed of experts from different fields, from a for in the relations from and on. and that does this information and it kind of makes a and, and the economy side, the darrow, so low you are seeing this. he does grow. and i think a troll could be quite interesting to evaluate what are the of the possibilities of a mouthful throb of people asking the police, i believe these court. so for example, i see that there is a lot of these information that the spreading quite easily. the police, these cars that could be a result of the ration applause are, we can see that there are, there were some activities to have a deeper influence on that, and they're just next door on different fields of economy. so i think it's quite

impulsively my opinion on the comments of the police debate, you still kind of look deeply into different forms and my thoughts. oh, russian influence on a daily political life. this committee that you talked about, how long does it's about what it's saying. and poland, excuse me, once again, this committee that you mentioned which is monitoring russian activities in poland . how long is it? it's about what it's saying. so i don't know yet what could be the result of the work of this coming teeth has been just, it has just stopped at the walk about a, there is a, there is a strong pressure by the prime ministers on those by them. he's talking to our, your add to that this committee will to be quite the how the walking a powerful in terms of seeking welding the spread products. because my peak is that sometimes we do not appreciate to, to what extent i don't know. so i'm furious of looking at one of those you nor i.

architects of the 0 you're out of the optic vision of the world, are later on, proudly translated into the daily politics of the new friend you and member states, including the opponents or how different methods of these information are used on the daily a database. so. so my feedback is that the, what this company called have also something bolton's fall of a new countries. and just to, to look at what, what are the potential and actual ways i'll be a blessing that public these course in different countries at the bottom. uh, thank you very much for being on complex. um i appreciate your time. thank you. thank you very much. so thank you. thank. thank you. the,

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