for almost 2 decades, for the longest time, from behind bars or hold up and the ecuadorian embassy in london. now the wiki leaks founder is heading home. after 5 years in british prison, sanchez struck a plea deal with washington over one of the largest leeks of classified documents and us history. it's a victory for those who have been tirelessly campaigning for his release. but pleading guilty under the espionage act could set a dangerous precedent for journalists around the world. i'm nichol fairly chamberlain and this is the day the it's a will end of the motion. i mean on the elated the cases great don't for to look. he's been arbitrarily deprived of his liberties for more than 13 years. so this is a very long time coming. there's nothing to be gained but he's continued

incarceration, and we want him bro, onto a strike. it's just incredible. i don't know. i kind of feels like it's not real also on the day the pressure on the palestinians of east jerusalem is, is really authorities demolish homes. they say were billed illegally and then we'll have the model, they demolished my life. so what am i called a stone or my mother was here, then she gave birth to me here under this revel, there was a 50 year old picture of me and my mother come see and i'm and you know, there is nothing that can bring that back uh we are the, i wonder, is this, if we wanted to, to create a environmental of pushing them out. we would not invest. so welcome to the show. julian massage is free. that is how his platform wiki leaks announced the end of a year as long stand off between the former hacker and the white house. as on she

spends more than 10 years battling attends to prosecute him for revealing classifying us documents. that publication made him a hero to some but left him, reviled by others. whichever way people see is on its cost in years of his freedom . now in a turn of events that surprised money, both sides have agreed to a plea deal that will allow songs to walk free. he admits to violating the espionage act in return of a sentence of time already served in a british jail. a 14 year fight for freedom is finally pots and end. after julianna's sons' agreed to a us plea deal. he ball to the plane on monday, found for the us tirade. trey the know the marianna islands in the pacific that will go on to return. the once fugitive to his native australia. his brother said the family was overwhelmed. i've been speaking to him this week and just going

through all the details with human. you're a very anxious, very excited, and he's looking forward to spending time with his family and, and being for a being able to have the sun shine on, on his face. see that the go for a swim in the ocean back in australia. so it's very much looking forward to that for over a decade. the australian, how could send whistle blow a has divided public opinion haled as a champion, a free press by many condemned as a trade to buy his detractors. it was in 2010. he became world famous. after his company weekly, published a trove of files and diplomatic cables, they included a video of an attack, fine american apache helicopter, any rock but left 11 dead, including 2 journalists,

rod during the day. and for some, his actions with a hallmark of a free press, the description of what it is, but so many others the link. so nothing shots of treason and a song, an enemy of the states. and down here, a swedish arrest warrant for right and sexual assault. so assange take refuge in london's ecuadorian embassy. he would stay the for the next 7 years. this is a victory by the time and kudos president, we vote sanchez, asylum status. it was united states where he was a wanted mom. he fiercely falters expedition to the us from inside of british prison. but the plea deal means a song while a controversial will at last. be a free mon. it is and i'm pleased to welcome demille jeffery. he's the executive

director of the night 1st amendment institute at columbia university in new york. welcome to the data meal that i want to ask you about the deal. then the sanchez agreed to in just a minute. but 1st, your reaction to the fact that he's no longer in jail. well, i mean, it's the resolution of a very long saga. i'm sure that it's a great relief to, to him. and his supporters, my guess is it's also a relief to the bind administration. but i suppose we'll have to wait to see what happens in court before i'm assuming that we've done all the facts right. there have been mixed reactions to the fact that his deal would include an admission of guilt under the espionage act. what could that mean for press freedom? yeah, i think it's a little bit complicated. i mean in some ways it's a very good thing for press freedom that this case has been resolved in this way. you know, what we were really worried about was a judicial ruling from the united states, from

a us for that said that the solicitation of government secrets and the publication of government secrets violates the espionage jackson isn't protected by the 1st amendment. if we had got that kind of ruling from a court in the united states, in this case, they would have had really far reaching implications progress freedom because those kinds of things. so listed in government secrets and publishing government secrets are things that journalists do all the time. i need to do all the time if they're going to play the role that are democracies neither to buy. so we have avoided that . you know that, that possibility, which is a very good thing boss. we do have this plea agreement now in which you assigned is agreeing to your pleading to one account under the espionage act. you know, admitting that he violated the law by doing again, the things that journalists do all the time. so they'll be this document that says

that assigned. i was sentenced to 5 years in prison. your time, sir, but 5 years in prison for having done these things that i know that again our, our central depressed freedom. so that's a, that's a, uh, you know, a real real issue. and i think it means that the case will continue to have an effect on press freedom, not just in the united states, but even abroad. and it'll task to kind of shadow. and you know, for the foreseeable for the foreseeable future. but reporters without borders have called us a long overdue victory for journalism and press freedom. uh you don't agree with them. then i think it's more complicated than that. you know, i think it's a victory for us on it may be of interest of the bind administrating as well. it's a good thing that we are going to do additional ruling in this case, on the scope of the espionage act. and it's spelled with the 1st amendment, because nobody knows what that ruling might have said. but again, we do have us on a green that he served 5 years and in custody. because he engaged in these

apps. and these acts in this particular case, are soliciting government secrets, publishing government secrets, the kinds of things that use organizations do every day and need to do every day. you can't whole government officials to account if you don't publish government secrets. you can't just tell the story. the government officials want you to tell if you're going to be a real journalist, as you, as you know. what do you think has led president joe biden to sign off on this as well? it's worth remembering that it wasn't defined administrators and that initiated this case. it was the trump administration, and the trump administration filed the environment after the obama administration. and it concluded that the press freedom implications were just too significant and it couldn't justify charging assigned, given that a victory against designs would mean a very significant curtailing of oppressed freedom. but the trumpet industry just

went ahead because it saw the curtailment of press freedom as a kind of feature rather than a bugs um and then the bind administration pursued i saw just expedition, but the bind administration, i don't think was ever very enthusiastic about this case. they didn't want this to be part of their legacy. they didn't want to create a precedent that could be used against said in your time to the wall street journal tomorrow. and so my guess is that the binding ministration will be very happy to have this case behind it. yeah. as long as the critics took great issue with wiki leaks, releasing non redacted military secrets, claiming the potential risk that could have posted the people involved. how do you feel about that part of his work? yeah, i mean i, i don't want to defend everything that julian assigns did or that with the weeks to say, did you know, as i had been the editor, what do you, except those particular times, i don't think i would have made the same publication decisions spot news

organizations make use judgments all the time, and we can least made news judgments. and you know, the real question i think is, what would it mean if the government to prosecute an organization on the basis that it solicit a government secrets and publish the secrets? because that's really the question is presented by the environment. there is this important debate 3 had i think about whether those news judgments were the right ones were defensible ones. but i think old ones, i think that's an important debate. but i think the legal question presented by the case is much narrower. the legal question is, can somebody be thrown in prison for asking government officials to share secrets and then for publishing those secrets? and i think the answer to that has to be, no, it's not. no, it's a real problem for, for journalist. yeah. if it doesn't, what signal does this, this entire saga that now looks like it's drawing to a close?

what does it send to whistle blowers or investigative journalist or yeah, i mean i, i think, you know, as i said, i think that the case is going to have a kind of legacy. because even though there's no judicial opinion endorsing the justice department's theories in this case, and again, it's a very good thing that there is a one. but even though there is no judicial opinion, there is this plea deal in which both the by and administration and assigned, recognize that assign serve time in custody because he engaged in these acts. and i think that that is a precedent that some future american administration may site to justify using the espionage act against the journalist. and it's a precedent that other governments may side as well to justify using analogous laws against journalists or human rights activists or human rights researchers. so i, i don't think that, you know, we're going to be able to. ready the, the, the book on this case altogether this case is going to have a, have

a legacy terminal jaffer of the night 1st amendment institute at columbia university and fascinating insights. thank you so much. thank you. of the columbia is carrillo, war is one of the world's longest running conflicts. now the latest round of talks, the ending decades of left wing insurgency in the south american country have begun as part of efforts by columbia and president gustavo federal to try and end violence in rural areas, which has been escalating despite efforts to secure will cease fires but all is a former gorilla fighter himself. delegates from the colombian government are meeting in venezuela with representatives of the 2nd market dahlia group. that's led by former members of the revolutionary armed forces of columbia, the far which signed a peace deal with the colombian government. back in 2016. now, the head of the gorilla delegation at these new talks in caracas is even marcus.

he's a former far commander who was part of the 2016 talks even enter the columbia in parliament as part of the old deal. but he returned to the jungle to take up arms 2 years later, and his lead a renewed, written search and see ever sent me a lot to unpack here. and that is why we're bringing in some joe lopez, case a journalist from colombia, and joins us from herrera somehow and tell us more about the 2nd market dahlia group. how big are they and what are their goals? because and so when the market value says this, isn't the fox on? i'll say now the mobilize the fuck. as you mention the best, remember that they agree? if his agreement with the government in 2016 by 3 years later, some members of the, of the group now in a transform into a political party, they do started. we've,

we've is many different topics in boston. the implementation of the these i believe . and i'm the split off just to mention if you and numbers just to give you a perspective how big this group 5. you said they started in 2019 and that they had the at that time just a few members. but nowadays they have about 177651 members across the country. 1200 of them are part of the same armed forces located in the jungle in the south part of the country. and according to the columbia intelligence, they are involved into knuckle traffic and delinquency and cases in different cities as areas in the country. also, the competitive intelligence said that the leaders also said when the market by the are based in venezuela, where they get support and from the us government, from business. when are they control of the growth in this other parts of columbia?

and just to give you another brief a numbers, and when they, you start that's in a 2018. they have process in the $124.00 towns and villages in different areas of the country. do you have slate there nowadays? in 2024. they have presence in the 370 means they have grow its presence in one kind of a 4 to one person. yeah. and the presence is most notable in remote parts of columbia. right. how is gorilla activity affecting people's lives there? yes, the market, the house, the burden specific, the area where they are located. that being said, they are located in the origins of coca. and marino, the in these areas are in the south and west of columbia. and the other board there with a quite or and why is that? because it is, locate this in a very specific i'm burgess, talk to you to call with our for day not cut off the industry because on that way

they can take all the decal came from this one based on some fields in the eastern part of the i'm this mountains they, they take a look, okay, across the mountains and up onto the jungle that i'll see because, you know, just to, to send it to a different box around the world. it's about your subject area also because he's very much in use and also because of the deluxe of state presidents and it's, it's a perfect. so in order for them to have presence there, because also they can force the farmers to change the fields that they hospitalizations. they have a, that's a fruits, vegetables, coffee, they, they are forced to change it between the 2, okay? one patients in order to grow the production and that's why they are forced. and so if we take a look to the situation for, for this, even those living there is that is every day like it and nightmare libby and under fire, between the army and the complex between the army and the rebels. and also a force by the rebels. adults due to

a startup of patients and also took up the different they. so it's ok because if they don't do it, they face a different and better difficult situation like their kid can get right on. in the worst of the cases, they can be a far as a do and recreate to the lines of the the, the rainbow groups. yeah, that's a horrible, horrible situation to live in. now. and then president gustavo petra ran on a platform of bringing total peace to columbia. what's different about his approach to ending the violence to that of his freed assessors, some members of their position in columbia and also some members of the 4 digit code 6 or 6 or so. so far i'll say colombo society, it's that you still don't understand what fossil time also sees a means for the government because the government didn't explain exactly what they wanted and how and they were going to implement these

a proposal. and what were the foundation of these a total a piece is part of do parts on members of their position is just the process that was used if i paid from the company when he was running towards the columbia in presidency. but what is the point if we take in consideration the other different and the piece talks a hold by the government and the different levels groups and a lot of the history of columbia is that this time the government is trying to talk face to face different rounds of conversations with the different and specific groups that are involved in the complex in columbia that we have to mention is not only the left wing or re less, historically the country. we also have many. and the wind show a groups very small spread across the country. they are involved in the front end, a sick sort of a knuckle traffic chain. and that's why they are involved. and they are very important for the industry. and they must be in this is taking into consideration

of this a, in the past football. yeah, we only have about a minute left, but i don't want to let you go without asking you about how colombians feel about this. because they're scarred by decades of insurgency. it's really hard to find someone in the country who hasn't been affected by the violence in one way or another. so seeing the government talking again took a real us and most likely giving them amnesty. and then how did people feel about that as well? it seems stuff it's talking about the beast in columbia is still a very popular topic for politicians, for, for different sectors of that society. so is it still, is it still in main concern for colombia? because countries not on their piece. you still have a call like active in different regions and if it's escalating day by day in different areas, officially coca and that in your recent police. but what columbus wants to see,

is there a real please? and we all knew before from the government, from the read, just from the different groups involved in the conflict, in order to get some, some travel up as gonzales journalist in the data in columbia. thank you so much. you're welcome. and occupied east jerusalem is really authorities have carried out a new wave of demolitions following him last october 7th terror attacks during previous gaza wars officials avoided scaling up such stimulations to avoid increasing tensions not this time, as the toys abraham reports, no actually me. well, i know you're comfortable this piece of paper turn, how much does life upside down? it's in order to demolish his home, built without and is really permit us here with his parents. weiss and brothers family. i love, she tells me there's was just for the 13 demolition orders. is really authorities

issued in the area that day because they are, they told me either you demolish the house or we will come and do it for you. it's mohammad and his family live in east jerusalem is real occupied in the 1967 for an annex did in 1980 declaring the whole city. it's a terminal on divided capping. most of the international community does not recognize this and palestinians claim history as well as the capital of a future independent state. the majority of jerusalem's 360000 palestinians lived here, get a fine getting permits to build homes virtually impossible. according to the un, it says is really authorities own little land for palestinian development while facilitating the expansion of is really settlements. that's also the experience of these to tar steve. he's a researcher at your, i'm you and it's really non profit that focuses on the is really posting and

conflict. interest on the permits regime is being controlled by the municipality, a based on zoning plans that are controlled by the government. and both of these bodies are making sure that the zoning plans do not allow enough permits, fitting for the size of the population. andwhen palestinian communities in jerusalem, initiate zoning plants. most of the times these are blocked the road rejected. given the situation, how much did not even apply for a permit. he says he knew sheep will never get to simply build his house on his land. turns out of the penalty for doing that is demolition. which rights group say is really, authorities have expanded since the october 7th terrace. they don't want a lot of arabs. they want to reduce us. that's an accusation. the or a king, jerusalem, deputy mayor and secondary leader, be

a mental you projects to him. the increase in hong demolitions simply about enforcing the law. he insists permits are issued without discrimination against palestinian residents. if we wanted the baby to create a environmental pushing them out, we would not invest so for palestinian and tied. demolition active associate with the none of that investment kings mentioned is for his community is standing in the ruins of his home. he says, the jewish settler community, living in his east choose the neighborhood of some one, has no trouble built it. well is really our stories demolished his house in february and then we'll have the monthly demolish to my life. so why didn't my call this phone or my mother was here and then she gave birth to me here. under this revel, there was a 50 year old picture of me and my mother come see and i'm and you know, there is nothing that can bring that back. uh, we are the uh, monitors the visa,

terse keys writes group you're, i mean the years this way to demolitions that spark of violence in jerusalem. she tells me that during israel's previous words and gaza is really authorities often hold to demolitions. to prevent tensions bubbling over here, this time we see a opposite. it's a policy. we understand that this government has seized a conflagration, not as a risk. it's an opportunity to. it allows it to carry out more and more violence and drastic measures. she says that's because this tied for right nationalist each more thing. here is a minister of national security in charge of the police force muted in force demolitions to jerusalem, deputy mayor or a king mr. bank. if you're is doing the right thing, we are not demolishing enough in east to the center. as you

wait for the bulldozer to come and demolish his home, tells me what his plans are. if they demolish the house we will pitch attend and sit here. we will not leave, i'll have them. so i handed to chris and remember what the name dorothy and that's our time. but make sure to stay informed, stay engaged and stay in touch. you can fall our team on social media. our handle there is at the, the units, if it's the latest headlines we're looking for this course and always in our website's dw dot com for now though, from the entire team on the day. thank you so much for spending part of your day by the

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