it sounds like how risky is macros decision to coal smell, selections in front part of the conflict on dw, the a search and support for file right? policies in the european elections are sent tramos across the continent. not more powerful than those who's in paris and berlin for the policies of both leaders for trunk, by far right opponents. my guess is we cassandra got the outgoing member of the european parliament in president macros when they saw this list, how risky is macros? decision to coal snap elections in front? and when he resigned it for fall, right, with the majority center i've got to you're welcome to come pick some. thank you for inviting. are you looking? you'll lose this morning while i mean it's the we are not satisfied with the

results and the, the, it's your be a lie that no, i friends, whoever bought the, the positive you sure that the we asked did the bad, i think indispensable to promo the i while you will be on the browser, even the sound, the president, macro and supporters are saying that his goal for snap elections is a high risk strategy. but it's less than that, isn't that when you call elections at the same time as you have a 65 percent disapproval rating, it's a leap into the dock, isn't it? well, i mean, i don't think that the we, we, we, we should drama die is a democratic moment. it is to be at that the situation with which as a marriage the at through a vote and that will be on them as shown, largely influenced by domestic issues. is that the reason need to clarify that for to go situation in browser already did,

the national assembly was struggling to function properly. 5 strong is right. mean to find that those going to be so to wish us that the french citizens are waiting for a and the bins must drawers. i mean, the, the best to resolve the goal is to bring right. assume last there with them made it even more difficult to function. so i think that so at the lead, and my me, my calling takes a high risk, bought the 1st of all, it is a, is nature as that going to be the right way of asking for the front seat as to whether you want. they spend right in government. oh, they want that every form. uh a i mean a national assembly. we scary out reform in another way. so i think that the, this time to clarify the situation macro and told his team off to the results came in. i prefer writing history rather than submitting to it. doesn't that suggest that this is a last ditch effort to do something,

anything to re game political authority because the results have been quite a slap in his face. ave. those are the, as i say, i also have the spying mcgraw only the one was being that every liked it. why is the beating that they, they, they stream fight. it disagree at that that he doesn't want to, to submit to the then say was what they get or they do go to the ship even do is one of the party to go the initiative which i eat. so the, it was useful to take because i disagree, i repeat that and uh, the french revolt theres uh, of shown this, that this function and impatience. uh, these are this fashion. that means that they belong to the solution or more, it's more effective sort of shows you patients that they want the things to happen . either the one know the out, the need, the effectiveness. no, i mean uh the faucet,

the fastness would be issued by the national assembly as it stands now. so i think that that he was right there to ask for a democratic uh joyce. uh and the to do it quickly because the discounts we cannot afford to do, i already made a mistake made that for a long time. so what you're saying basically, is that he's trying to reboot a struggling presidency on a policy that is had to limp along without an overall majority. and problem it says 2022 i think is a, is a, is it will be sending through the volt, those a and the voltage that is a, we've on things to happen. and the, the debate that during this, it will be on the measuring, these are afraid you, the manners go to the focus of the debate on very yeah, you won't be any issues because a lot have to be dominated by chasing power by security

a by you should that belong, get through the nation. i was via and belong to the calm, but then the all the national that assemblies. but what matters, i'm saying kick him, what makes what makes him think he can reach the voters in 3 weeks when he's had 2 years in bonnie as managed to reach them. and that time, what i mean most of all, uh we, we that we, that we can see what the goal is. the 15 to 20 percent of all does which was decided to abstain as it will be on the last, on what day we decide to do. and so that going to be, if we let ask to the vote does whether they really want a, the, a, a, the stream right, in government to take on the responsibilities. or if they want to give a clear majority to ease a reform is project a to date, we don't have it majority to this room, right? but we don't have even even the majority for the preservation much for the

presidential. a question. and this is why we are struggling and these why the national, the assembly is busy, go it through the being told by the bar lies doctor the selection. so i mean, it's the allies that you couldn't do. it could be power lies because it would be a good be a money. it is, it is a difference of all the what would would decide is it started off. i mean, everybody must take on the is the only responsibilities, even with this mistake on that responsibility that this, that this value that, that in patient that with this situation, they will have to decide whether they want to give a majority to the president or they want to give much, i'll do this to him, right. president macro has 3 is left in office. if his policy does less than expected in the parliamentary elections, my team resign. i don't think so because the french a vote as, as really decided that they wanted him. eh, for it now, the 5 yes. down mean trying to trying to do so. i,

i thing that damaged goods politically isn't as it is really play on popular president. that's face of the preventative already made the choice about the, about the price it in the mouth made that you always about the how we spotted them and they want. and the problem is we skim out after the victoria of president my growing brain going to do was it was at bonham. and the way out it was very difficult for legislate very difficult to work out concrete and effective sort of shows. and now we would see where the on the side and they'll do that. i differentiate, we decided to add it much more effective, the national nice of it, and on around around which browser, if macro himself doesn't go, could somebody in his government decide to jump ship a while? i mean, i yeah, i don't see a anybody now wants him to get out of the presidential team. i think that the, all that he does that clearly declare that the they wanted to are united

that the disagree or that they should have stake are huge. and the there is need for you and you and in the presidential majority, as far as the foundation of the party do a process that you disagree or that that there is a, a democratic rises and the use of the need also to reform the way democracy and politics organized, and these are such a team that it didn't, it fiction fall, i mean we, they could be a majority who work on their op source, don't answer that icon on the taskbar. but that also issues around the democratic, but the supervision i want, i want to talk about reforms a, a bit later on and, and press you a bit on that. but so i'm wondering how much monitoring there is inside present macros policy. one of his own outgoing and peace of mind, you'll pay over said everything points to the national riley winning a relative or absolute majority. so that's a, a pessimistic view of, uh,

how this selection will end up as well as the should that scheme. should i ask that hon? not the, not me. i didn't, i didn't, i didn't think i made this because ation. yeah. make this a restaurant you made it. i think that the, the, the up through the open ended thing that the, it, this time a, i repeat for responsibility for the charges for everybody is absolutely not true. that the, as the input you to be on an, as shown there, was that a way be in favor of national or a national riley. this must be confirmed that adds a, just that the reaction of the, the issue would be completely different. the money left, then i dropped them out, the law would i have to clearly say, well, these well the projects or from sees it's very unclear to me today and i think it through the very end 3. 0, so for the, for the friends of all does about each other has shown it is a story, a bar. and i think that's what we have to do is to prepare and to, i mean, the do, the about 30 needs goes to jersey. they showed up to that you open i o bar,

so that the so called demographic forces would take on the response that we did before, especially after the election. eh, because i don't think that they seem right. that showed the rule or the scan. can you see present of micro sharing power and what the french co co habitation with a prime minister from the far right from the national riley. i think that as any progress then before he met e. b, like i said, that the results of the election. any resolved the, i mean be what, what the, the reason we say what they were the result. we'd be because i happened to meet the home because i paid for sure. ok. i hope it won't that, but do my class. i opened that the that would be the majority for, for the president at bach. the, i mean that a reset that he applied the constitution. mister godfrey to listen to some of the do blades and pronouncements from around europe. some people seem to be teaching

these results as a cataclysmic shop for the rise of the far right. there's no surprises. it was full cost and illustrated by falls around the you for a very long time. so, so why the surprise, the scale of the victory? i think it, on one hand, the scale because the, i mean on the object, the ground very high and the mounting lip and box the, the full spot. the demo sparked into the in the, in the european parliament. so south delete you disagree at that. there is a, i'm, it is a, it'd be a victory for then i would say that more because the, because for us is a key country for the european integration and not there's not all the a found the men bestbuy this be not always the most new brand shut down to you to get that with your money. and you guys always manage sofa, the rock, the rise of this thing right differently. it for example, for me to a and that,

to see now that, that they stream right. could see that by why in the, in the national problem and it is so really sharp, not all the berries about the round europe. i understand it is i think for he started going to use us for the key role that false and that especially now in mind with macro is played. see, is that brand to 17? let's look here. if we may have why voters have to to the far right, so many of them in fact, deputy president of the commission very you're all of a sudden on this program last month said, centrist politicians haven't done enough to offer an alternative to the right to send the right to europe and people's party lead a month for the vapor. so part of the problem was we could lead those like macro and schultz who no longer had widespread public support. those are pretty serious indictments. do you agree with that? you know, i don't agree, i don't agree with the month of the day, but when we say that the macro always like bi weekly, the,

and the as shown even in the it's very difficult to encourage a decision that is that you cannot, again, i have uh the other, the ford bus certainly doesn't like and either lead the sheep. no, no, no. uh no, of course. but and shots have been pulling around 1617 percent. that's it. that's not much in the way of public support. is it? well, i mean, i think that's why i see the, the exciting already started go be to about leaving. let's go see that, that, that we are getting down to where we got out of it and then make we, uh it, leaving them in the theater with the wor, no crane with bad values, which has come back to in the middle east that we saw at the end from the knots, but there's another county instead of a 5 d, a gauge inflation and keeping the port jersey bow off of c cuz that stuff goes to a most boss dealer at the end as it rises as heated. also this gantry uh there is a fee. uh there you just sent it out to a fee. uh there was

a sentiment of cert empty around europe and it is set then set set dement the fee. uh, so thing that we just few of the stream, right, they offer easy to take solution about the inefficient solutions and that. so this is a walk, this benefit thing that you might view a property smooth mind. and this room, right? the movement around around the guns and the is why we have to accelerate the responses both that mentioned that about i would say especially at your yeah, i live in from blonde for a bay, but i would respect a master more active role of the young people sparky, in promo, the reform at europe. yeah. that do you not saying that traditional centers potters had become just a little bit too complacent to self satisfied? and there's some truth in the i don't the, i don't 30 go nice myself and the nice the you, you are. but as a, as a set of, uh, satisfaction on the group. but we have been very active about being always pretty

honest up is 5 because you wanted to things that go faster and go and go and go to a demo freeform, especially at europe. young level, i would say that the we have always show uh, showing the ride sensitive origin. see it disagree at that the we haven't, the, me, the friends problem and no idea will be on the bottom and found that the, at the, it is that the f share the same sense. so for just see and the same we'd often for me even eat, but i say i would say that the we have achieved the import, the resolve that are producing the right, the fact august to be not fast enough. the foldable this and that will be on the nations. why is that? i mean, be you as an organization that never stops asking people what it should be doing and holding consultations about his role. so why did it listen to the criticisms, to many people was saying that they felt disenfranchised. left find, i'm consulted. and they said so they didn't like immigration policies,

the state of the economy, especially in germany. and the far right said it would fix all the problems. it's hardly surprising that large numbers, tons of them is it because those problems weren't being fixed even after they had been signed, posted pretty adequately by people over and over again. and the well, if it take migration, we have uh off the 9 in itself. this joshua negotiations, the stage made that uh we have the manage, the 2 adults, the end is auto migration in fact that which gives us a good box. so the answer is that a citizen i waiting for because he does as wants to take back control 1000 to date . they controlled on migration to take back control on the o as then on board as to as a more efficient, streamlined as item procedure to be effective and very thorough. and, but the countries that are really watch it that i mean hungry has rejected. that problem does reject it, the migration packed up the, the wrong, the board on that,

on getting out to the wrong go migration says 201420158 does not take rest and nobody's thrown right or not. i mean, the tooth was wrong on migration in 2015. and i mean, it's not because out again, that the right of finally we have managed to adopt what is the rules shown, which is the right sort of, we should on migration on those. they don't disagree i, we have adopted 3 months ago. obviously they're both those that didn't that feed the effect about something they are the master and by the way, they stream, right when they are in the position. i like my mind that then they will, they gave the solution, but whether i can government, they count on our solutions. mister godfrey, you, you have said the, you need some more democracy. some have already asserted that these european elections prove that point. but there was nothing i'm democratic about the was the

190000000 people there about got a free vote in 27 countries, no voting irregularities, no fraud. as far as we know, the system isn't on democratic just because you don't like the result. is it up? so it turns out that the system is the demographic but must be ruled. why? because even in this case that in the select shows we have back, but they've got the we were like the, it's going to $9005.00 a month. we have got much more 27 national debates, a fire 3 or most 3 on domestic issues rather than the europe, the not just the nation or the debate on what your should do, shoot and don't, should do less. so should do more. and i think that these are the by adults, we are the only one in the, in the ward. but like the content, the content, it gone to the bottom of it. but we continue to do so through 27 national debate. these why we propose that we, i propose that there will be on 5. i meant to act that and number of member of that

will be on the bottom and voting dollars a day. you will be on 40 to go box is because that would be a lead story is tournament book trouble in may, jo change? well let's, let's have a look at some of the changes that the may come as a result of a what we've seen so far, the surge of the far right. they will have significant momentum as a result of the gains in the, in the parliament. i'm wondering how they will use it. it's germany's institute for international fast says european politics are going to get more problems arising, more politicized and more populous. which policies do you think will be most affected by the changes as well? what if possible, i would say that the using both on the bottom and going to the i might, it's pro european majority and the non boss on the, on our side. because if you were to get the seats of renewal at all, for the young people spiked the other social demo. got. we got to move the 400 out

. those 720. so i think that the 1st that we showed the goal fee amount, it pro european majority. so that concept that will be the extreme right. that might, that be uh, uh, effective in the trying to grow some specific of this visual that'd be dependent mainly on the attitude on this specific business of the europe. young people spot the like the green deal like the green deal for instance. i would say i yeah, also or the on the green dean. the issue now is to find the resources. we've been mandate. i don't think that we have but the like the war gonzalez's vision. i think that so thank you for it. let's just do frame. we'll get there. now we have to focus on the resources to find them. they are getting done is ition. i will say that the, the main issue. but what about ukraine? what about the assistance to ukraine? weapons, ammunition got. i mean, i, i, that i, i, old,

but that we really continue to take a very strong pro grain. you know, stances on that, that it will be this thing bride that he's at all to be with the there's a lot of support must go, isn't that among the battles? and then more money in that bad. and the going to complicates the use assistance to ukraine, isn't that i don't think so because the around the air out they bring the accounts to where the government job. i would say that there is the, the, a very large majority in favor, of course doing the support degrade, certainly in some votes is going to be on the bottom. and if they assume ride golf seem to put the proper, the spouse is that seems like would be more complicated. but once again, i see that we should put that we should put the support to brain as well. the highest priority together with the fans in the new uh, the m on the role you will be on the groups. it'll be on the bottom. you've talked

about the need for reform, which we've heard for years. you also want to bring in majority voting on all major issues, but the smaller countries and never got to agree to that of a, it's an old start to well, no, because the, the boss that we have managed to allowed the, the majority voting good not to be spending that, well, the fact that there was the always been is more that down to that ended up. yeah. you and yeah, and uh they, they, they usually that they disagree at that the, even the from a l. s a be down to is more a gantries a you have to make up your mind. you cannot be in favor of the unified, they've gone through the end of the opening the door. so to create, you know, the west and bog down. and at the same time, to resist the, the majority vote team because the 2 things that do not kind of are incompatible. the more we are, the more efficient must be the voting get. they both the system and also, you know,

around that they bring that down to see that it's not that when you vote the by majority, you'll impose your decisions of the minority. when everybody knows that the, at the end of the day, we can vote by majority, everybody make the effort to, to bring the contribution and to reach the conclusion when it was gotten to know that it can be though it doesn't make any effort to look at the organ at all with sandra the gays to russia. so i think that these are usually the just, especially with this more accounted because the big guns is some guys can do on their old smart has more gun 3 needs. so the lead and more power for the more effective union. mister got say the president of a european commission, those sort of on the lie and says the center is holding. she comforts herself with that sort. but you have the 2 big lead is if you're a president macro and john,

so the shouts of germany really fighting to regain some kind of momentum. john, so shouts, his party was beaten to adjust the price by the christian democrats. and the far right a, if the 2 big leaders struggling to hold onto the careers, what effect is that going to have on europe? i think that the now we, i but they then they, the key role that we have, they keep debate with be within that will be a problem. because the disagree or that the you that you will be on problem and we must be that. but this no new pro european majority, and this probably or be i majority cause even if they were all for is that i wonder line provide you that she doesn't want to. she doesn't open the door. the extreme right delta v c a e c. and the of the middle and the, the key point, i think that the but it could just me more. deadlock will delays in committee

proceedings more holdups. it could power lies the european parliament. these results come that know they quote on it because they don't have the numbers. and by the scale that they, we depends on the error as possible that to do the 3 main forces. i repeat your young people's bach. this was a democrat, them to renew or europe. i think that we should open also our majority degrees provided that they get the more problematic approach on the side that issues or the dorky, especially on the all the green transition. but they think that there is a possibility of having get a stable into effect, the majority of the goals and the, the good aspect of this resolved, the ad there is a, there isn't the possibility of a stream, right? do i have that much on is, i mean, but the do depend on the attitude and on the consistent action of the 3 main forces. all right, sounds i've got say that seems to be asking

a lot. thank you very much for being on complex on appreciate your time. you're the, [000:00:00;00]

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