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links not the elections in the french parliament. what is gamble appears to be failing the far right? national riley took 1st place in sun the on sunday of classing the presidents centrist, the lines, which came in a poor 3rd. so now the question is will next sunday, 2nd round vote produce francis 1st ever fall arrive government since world war 2. i'm feel gale and this is the day the, the french people haven't gotten delivered with them doing good except and confirmed that clear design such change in order to carry out the reforms that the country needs. we need an absolute majority for the country has to decide is it going to become more divided or is it going to pull together and be one people that is going to work for the common good notes
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a singles i must go to the national body in circumstances like these thoughts cannot afford to hesitate absolutely. also on that, i can us presidents commit crimes with impunity while the supreme court it same says yes, but only for official acts as good news for donald trump. i'm for others as a travesty of justice. the idea that the american people will go to the polls, not knowing for sure, not knowing the details and not knowing for sure was donald trump and interactions 3 of taking the scales of justice and gone like this towards donald trump. welcome to the day friends and your upcoming times with the possibility of the fall, not gaining power. and one of the e use coal members. the reading depends national riley potty has taken the laundry share of the votes on the weekends. first, find
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a voting and not problem entry elections with 33 percent in the 1st round. i in the 1st round that president macro centrist said hearing you have have a child inserted with just 20 percent. and they came behind the left during the lines that poll 28 percent of the vote. president's calling on both is to prevent the fall right from winning a governing majority. next sunday's decisive decisive a final route. a crossing between the 1st strong, defaulting for the far right national valley. but the victory that has brought nationalist, you'd have skeptic and in the immigrant politics fairly close to power for the 1st time, i suppose to say, i think it's the people's revenge on the leads with line to the french people for over 40 years. i hope that we're reading the pain together with john and bob tyler, with linked friends up to the french volume, can finally return. and we can continue to hope for a better future. 00 i had to is in my eyes because i've been hoping for this for
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years. i'm hoping now we'll get the country back on its feet. we've got to do something before it says it shows up to by the national jeremy. it's spinning it's hoops on another spectacular victory. incentive starting off. so that's all one moment to do, my admission is to win an absolute majority on sunday. i call on the french people to remain mobilized. of course, i intend to form a government of national unit tell you on the basis of this, of absolute majority will be easiest for you to start. that you also said that excel thompson's of people in front of protest picked about these when it's a seems to be, was, have long been considered the election. just those who lift many people she can and the results came in and i was completely shocked. it's totally overwhelming to think that a party that preaches hatred, his grades so many votes and events. the results, i don't need to set back for president emmanuel,
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and macro on centers through dentist and spotty. the president headquarters snap election, hoping that the far right speak, treat, and re some sort of being far limited elections would not be repeated. the 1st strong has been a big win for the national valley, which is how big we the only become clear after the 2nd drone devoting well on this from coal spangler, he's a freelance journalist whose latest book is called paris is not dead surviving hyper gentrification in the city of lights, it joins us from my sight. welcome to dw sunday's votes, a positive endorsement of marine depends natural, riley, or just to the junction of protest those against the president as well. thanks for having me. i think at this point, it's quite clear that we've kind of surpassed the era of, of protests, of those. um, you know, the national riley has a very large base. and that base mobilized in the, on sunday,
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only to look at that participation figures. i think there's this kind of sense, especially on the last that hired turn out what only benefit the less that the the far right does not do well and higher turnout elections. but actually what we saw on sundays that you had the highest through now since 1997 in the context of declining turnouts. people went on board and the ability for the far right before it has a bass that's growing. and the votes of no, i think for, at this point, really beyond a protest though, we're talking about a share of the electorate as quite large that shares coming to us about the economy and in products. perhaps most importantly, shares coming to use about immigration in french identity. that's really the kind of cement that brings together this, this diverse colors and. and so what we have is something like a 2 sides of a vote. so is that a voting for a far less and far? right, so the extremes of java, they on both sides of god that the majority of what's of horse trading is likely to
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be going on ahead of sunday. second votes as my chrome centrist on the left is the lines that came 2nd, does i call on votes? has to stop the fall, right? or yeah, i think i think it's important to do this as draft that there is no, there are no differences between, between reproduced or map extreme is, but between the far right and then and then the left block. but, but certainly right now we've, we've entered a phase where, you know, very quickly after those results started to come in on sunday nights. we saw essentially left wing parties. so this broad coalition called a new popular front, which is a nod to the 1936 popular front that helps prevent the far right from preventing power in france. we saw very quickly all the parties in this coalition call for withdrawing from racism which they're kind of interested in 3rd and in which the national rather candidate finished and 1st so effectively giving support to the my
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chromos candidates in the 2nd round against the far right and again, that 2nd round is taking place next sunday on. so this is kind of this idea of the republican front that many people thought was deb this idea of voters joining together just to stop the far from winning. and then we've also seen, to some extent, my cronus candidates also withdrawing from these these races in which they're qualified in 3rd position. so that's the kind of horse trading that, that, that we're seeing going on. and you have candidates really from both can stepping aside in the hopes that the candidate, the best position to, to, to feed the far right is able to do so. and that's what is the best chance that the left and then the mind cronus habit. their goal is to prevent fire from getting an absolute majority because they're 577 seats. all the power needs to do is get $289.00 and they have an absolute majority at that point. okay, so painted a picture then of this previous, the unthinkable situation in which the national riley wins an absolute majority
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next week. what's likely to change in friends, but what we notice from outside and box from inside or yeah, i mean, i think it's important to stress again, this is, you know, it's, it's, it's far from decided we have all the election coming up on sunday. but if you look at our ends program, you can on the questions, they're somewhat unclear. first, they want him to repeal my problem retirement or form. now there maybe take me a 2nd look at it. the most clearly ours when it comes to the questions of immigration. so give you a few examples. one, they want to repeal francis, longstanding tradition of dirt, track citizenship. this idea that if you're born on french soil, even if your parents are foreigners, are both for and you can eventually obtain french nationalities, the national riley wants to repeal this tradition, which in some way it goes all way back to the 16th century with some exceptions. not even the vc regime in world war 2 did that. the repealing this tradition of birth, right? citizenship wrapping up deportation to undocumented immigrants. that's also in the,
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in their program. and finally, it's created quite, quite a lot of controversy here in france and opposition, frankly, there, vowing to limit certain jobs in france, public service jobs to non dual citizen. so if you're a dual citizen in france, you wouldn't be able to have certain jobs. and again, this is a radical break with what we call the republican tradition in france. so on the integration and questions and national national questions, it's really quite clear what they want to do. okay, so given that the, the, the national rabbit is such an anti immigrant policy, and so many people are all voting for them on the shame literally. what is it about migration at the moment in front of us that makes this policy seems so attractive as well? you know, this is the question that's been part of the public debate in france for,
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for decades now. you know, really started wrapping up in the 19 seventy's when the economy started to slow down with, with each number crisis. so it's been kind of that the public di immigration is slightly increased since then. but the numbers are not indeed put into concepts, not all of these enormous waves that you hear the are in talking about. um, you know, a part of it is i think the ongoing economic issues that they can sort of, you know, according to a lot of social sciences kind of activate the sort of the, sort of the new phobic anti immigrant sense. and that, i think that's part of it. i think another factor you have to look at really what's changed in the last 3 years in france. and it can be a little bit kind of navel gazing, the talk about the media, but it's very important. you have an increasingly aggressive conservative media infrastructure that is, that is growing in france led by a 1000000000 or got somebody to and you and you had a real shift and you can kind of media discourse and the conversation. and also my girls party has as follow suit as well. so in addition to the media that my kronos
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government is tried to kind of pick and choose certain topics, immigration, security, and in particular, immigration to sort of show that they 2 are serious about about this question. so we had a, a quite a controversial immigration law passed by my quotes that didn't actually get a boost in my calling to follow up with them. on the contrary, it actually showed the french public that well, the national riley is true winning the battle here of ideas. and i think all of that is played into their favor control. thank you so much for welcome to so that call spangler freelance journalist and also thank or is there. i mean, the can, donald trump be prosecuted for his actions while and the wife has? according to the us supreme court, it depends justices today rule the former presidents are entitled to immunity for what they called official act, but not for unofficial acts. so what is always
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a batch? well, it is. yeah. the supreme court was asked to decide whether for the president, donald trump, was immune from prosecution in connection with his alleged attempts to over to the 2020 election. so the timing of this ruling as important as the window for a trial to be getting before the november election is not owing the quotes. 63 ruling reflected, the bench is conservative, liberal split, and the courts majority opinion. chief justice john roberts rose, the president is not above the law, but congress may not criminalize the president's conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the executive branch under the constitution. the chief justice went down to explain that a president inclined to take one course of action based on the public interest may instead of opt for another apprehensive that criminal penalties may before him. upon his departure from office. now is the job of a lower court to decide whether the form of presidents actions are protected as
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official acts. the case is still not over, but that didn't stop. donald trump from taking to his tooth social platform to celebrate the posting penguin for our constitution in democracy, proud to be american let's go through this with that need to ask a man who is a lawyer and a former assistant to watergate special prosecutor, welcome to dw what he said, the congress may not be criminalize. the president's conduct and counting on responsibilities of the executive branch was the chief justice implying that congress have passed laws to criminalize before the president. donald trump. no, not at all. i think what he is saying is that there are certain core functions of the president on the, such as of making appointments, pointing judges, etc. on that are the sold for roggette of the present. and those do not be criminal,
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watched. now, there are, there are so for organs or should the president such as a pardon power, on which donald trump did using dig criminalize i by using it to obstruct justice in the russian investigation. so there's a lot of problems with this opinion and the decision that was made by the supreme court today. okay, here is because one of the biggest wong, this is that they be in firms from the just this is the opinion that conspiring to overturn the presidential election time be considered to full within a president's official duties that can hardly be true. and that's what makes this whole opinion. so bizarre, because this trusted this indictment if you read it from beginning to end, it all has to do with undermining the peaceful transfer of power from president trump to president. by the end, there are
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a whole series of criminal acts that are alleged in that indictment. so that the idea that you can parse this out between the official acts in private acts that is completely in name. in fact, if you look at the watergate matter with president nixon, i'm every thing he did that he would have been indicted for if he hadn't been pardoned or what could be called official x. the fact that he had one of his aides called a c i a and instruct him to tell the f b i to drop the investigation into the watergate breaking could be described as an official act, much the same way. either justice or the justice is described on donald trump talking to the attorney general. i'm sure none of this really makes a lot of sense. other than the fact that they're all trying to just delay this as much as they can. so the donald trump doesn't have to face the music prior to the election. so 2 things in that firstly,
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this sounds like you're saying that the highest court in the land is parties on i'm trying to side with the president and with a former president. and this goes to for also from what you've saying is you, one has to work, try and work out how this highest quote of eminent legal minds has come to such an inane decision as you describe it to. yeah, i mean, 1st of all, that's actually true if you take what happened back in 1974 with the supreme court and the issue nixon's tape recordings, again on that particular court. there were a number of justices had been appointed by richard nixon. but they all unanimously decided with one person just with actually one person are reducing himself. that nixon had to turn over. those takes, are there was nothing purchasing at all about it. this just has a different feel to it. it's had
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a different feel to it all along. ever since the overturning of the abortion decision are with the decision on the obstruction count on that day was use to indict a number of the january 6 riders on this really does not make a lot of sense other than to play into donald trump's strategy of delaying this whole matter until after the election. but this i'm sorry to dwell on this, but this is a business, a big thing. but you're saying to be citing the thoughts this the pre im calling them out is any fact corrupt? yes, i'm not saying that because there's no way back in 1972 and we're investigating richard nixon in the watergate matter. but anybody was saying, oh, there's presidential immunity. you have to be careful about what you do. we can't date and no one ever thought of that for a 2nd. that was never an issue. it has never been an issue in our entire history.
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until now, it was always considered that a president is not above the lock. what donald trump has been indicted for our real criminal violations, their alleged an indictment. he's got all the rights and responsibilities of anybody use a criminal defendant. and now all of a sudden the supreme court has come up with this whole crazy new scheme about official acts and not unofficial acts. none of which make a lot of real sense when you really come down to the question of donald trump, had the corrupt intent and the men's ready to commit the crimes that he's indicted for committee. so now we have this decision fest vista present would be best no appealing to. that's below now. right? that's correct. well, and what it means is it's going back district court. and the district court now is charged with deciding which are official acts and which are not official x. and
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then i, that's not the final word. because at that point, donald trump still has the ability to appeal at through the circuit court through the supreme court. all of which is going to take even more time, probably up to a year. so there is no way that this case is going to a jury anytime soon as or how does this affects the case being full brought by the special prosecutor jack smith, as well as effects it is just going to be delayed more. i mean it's very possible the judge struck in the district, court judge will go through reach it. busy and, and make findings that these were not official acts. i don't know how you could ever say that trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another is an official whack me a president, has no official authority in dealing with the election with dealing with trying to stop the official count in congress that was up to the vice president is purely
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a ministerial, i'd sure. certainly putting together false electors. i can't be an efficient act since it's a point. so if i say print world is more like all right, thanks for taking us through that vic ackerman, lawyer and former assistant was a special prosecute. thank you so much. thank you. now does that figure out why the president has unveiled a coalition cabinet after his african national congress lost its majority for the 1st time in 3 decades before the serial realm opposed that was supposed to seek allies after the amc took just 40 percent of the folks in maisie elections agencies biggest problem is now the pro business democratic and lines went by john steve hayes and the i had 6 ministers including agriculture, a major part of south africans economy. and the policy of nelson mandela had go
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from south africa singlehandedly since the end of the parts i flew in 1994 is what some south africans have been saying about the new government overall. i think i'm a diverse group of people's, i'll 1st diverse group of cabinet members, which means for a future hold for you. that means that the more inclusive within of using the opinions of society or also diverse group of individuals in terms of age range. so hopefully in the, on your future we'll get to the invasion age group of having the all these yes to individuals within parliament and really with the confirm but some bullets different people with different philosophies, all in cabinet. um, i'm not really confident about it, but did they say the peoplesoft advocate spoken have spoken. is that what they say they wanted? that's my question. um, i don't the least important sweetie, but a what can you do? because at this point i feel like you've spoken,
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but we're not being present. i wasn't surprised about many of them. i to, you know, there was a few that amuses me. like just doing a zoom in agriculture and you know, i don't know what he knows about elder culture. apart from that job, i chickens in supermarkets. let's get more on this from my correspondence of privilege, most money and johannesburg. welcome privilege. i particularly like that quote. we heard from the 2nd person, the people of south africa have spoken, but we're not being listened to tell us more about reactions to this coalition deal . a mixed feelings coming out of the, the direction to these cabinets. i think most people, uh, uh, uh, taking it is a product of uh, the pollution which is program i take sometimes because it is a products of negotiations many. so that's against fuel that it sees it brought,
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it's a cabinet and the water is that it is going to spend more funds. and this is a finances on political administration, a guest service delivery. so the mix, the feelings when it comes to these cabinet, uh, some people who have thoughts that the, when to see a small cabinet is, has been promised, missed by a prison. drawn up. posts are in the previous of a restriction, but the president, i'm up will say himself admitted when, how us presenting this company that it was not possible because they wanted to a point did the partners in the coalition. and it does seem ironic, but b, i n c, the positive it ended up positive not has to share power with a policy saying is representing south africa's of white minority. the
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n c found itself, um in uh, a compromise. it is uh, an issue of compromising leaning towards the da. one thing that could have happened is that d a by uh, becoming the 2nd highest. uh, uh, uh, patsy in this election. um n c head to lean to as uh, the da because in terms of the negotiations that were offering better conditions than other parties in see could to have gotten easily into equation with the on the corner and sees it. uh for my um, the president of the present, so my spots and the 5th for my live my spot to they could have went into a quantization. but what then happens is that the conditions that the other parties were offering. we're also difficult for the n c to compromise. so d a could have been the bit of devil to lean towards and other parties. but of
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course the send to me is that to, um, that are coming out. do you see the fs and even the m k pa to have lost out of the n c? and the issue doubt very strong statements to say that the n c is now going back to the white minority of people that they think that you towards the dismantled during a posit. ok. good. talking to you. i prefer to thank you so much for joining us. i think that'll be corresponded image most money the aims, johannes. and that is the day more same time tomorrow or on dw, don't call me back the
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