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links not the elections in the french parliament, let these gamble appears to be failing the far right. national riley took 1st place in sun the on sunday of classing the presidents centrist, the lines, which came in a poor 3rd. so now the question is will next sunday, 2nd round vote produce francis 1st ever fall arrive government since world war 2. i'm feel gale and this is the day the, the french people haven't gotten deliberative it sounding good and confirms that clear design such change in order to carry out the reforms that the country needs. we need an absolute majority for the country has to decide is it going to become more divided or is it going to pull together and be one people that
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is going to work for the common good notes a singles i must go to the national body in circumstances like these thoughts cannot afford to hesitate. and so also on that i can us presidents commit crimes with impunity while the supreme court it same says yes, but only for official acts as good news for donald trump. i'm for others as a travesty of justice. the idea that the american people will go to the polls, not knowing for sure, not knowing the details and not knowing for sure was donald trump, an inspection of the, of taking the scales of justice and gone like this towards donald trump. welcome to the day friends, and you're coming to terms with a possibility of a farm like gaining power. and one of the e. use coal members. the reading depends national riley potty has taken the laundry share of the votes on the weekends. first, find
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a voting and problem entry elections with 33 percent in the 1st round. i in the 1st round. now president macro centrist seed here in yellow. they traveled inside with just 20 percent and they came behind the left during the lines at pull 28 percent of the vote. presidents calling on both is to prevent the fall right from winning a governing majority. in next, sunday's decisive decisive final wrapped crashing between the 1st strong defaulting . for the far right, national valley bought the victory that has brought nationalist euro skeptic. and indeed, immigrant politics fairly close to power for the 1st time as well. i think it's the people's revenge on the leads with light to the french people for over 40 years. and i hope that we're reading the pain together with john and bob tyler will lift fronts up to the french volume can finally return. and we can continue to hope for a better future. 00 i had to is in my eyes because i've been hoping for this for
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years. i'm hoping now we'll get the country back on its feet. we've got to do something before it says it shows up to by the national jeremy explaining its hopes on another spectacular victory in front of the strong off to. so that's all one moment soon to my impression is to win an absolute majority on sunday. i call on the french people to remain mobilized. of course, i intend to form a government of national unit tell you on the basis of this salute, majority will be easiest for you to start that you also said that excel thompson's of people in front have protested about these when it's a seems to be was have long been considered the the election to so it's his lift. many people she can and the results came in. i was completely shocked. it's totally overwhelming to think that a party that preaches patriot security. so many votes and events. the results i don't need to set back for president emmanuel in macro on centers through dennison,
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spotty, the president, headquarters, snap and action. hoping that the far right speak, treat and re some sort of being far limit. elections would not be defeated. the 1st strong has been a big win for the national vanity, which is how big we the only become clear after the 2nd drone devoting. well on this from coal spangler, he's a freelance journalist whose latest book is called paris is not dead surviving hyper gentrification. in the city of lights, you joins us from my sight. welcome to the w. sunday's vote to a positive endorsement of marine depends natural, riley, or just to the junction a protest rose against the president's as well. thanks for having me. i think at this point it's quite clear that we've kind of surpassed the era of protests of those. um, you know, the national riley has a very large base and that base mobilized end of
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a on sunday only to look at that participation figures. i think there's this kind of sense, especially on the left that higher turnout would only benefit the less that the the, the far right is not to well and higher turn on elections books. actually what we saw on sundays that you had the highest are now since 1997 in the context of declining turn out to people what i'm voted, anybody for the far right before it has a base that's growing and the vote so no, i think for at this point, really beyond a protest though, we're talking about a share of the electorate that's quite large, that shares common views about the economy and prompt, perhaps the most importantly, shares common views about immigration and french identity. that's really the kind of cement that brings together this, this diverse colors and. and so what we have is something like a 2 sides of a vote. so is that a voting for a far less and far? right? so the extremes of got to be on both sides of god, but the majority of what's of horse trading is likely to be going on ahead of
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sunday. second votes as my chrome centrist on the left is the lines that came 2nd. this i call on votes has to stop the fall, right. it's yeah, i think i think it's important to do this to stress that there is no, there are a lot of interest between between for, we've heard this are about the extreme is about between the far right and then and then the left block. but, but certainly right now we've, we've entered a phase where, you know, very quickly after those results started to come in on sunday nights. we saw essentially left wing parties. so this broad coalition called the new popular front, which is a nod to the uh, 1936 popular front that helps prevent the far right from, from winning power in france, we saw very quickly all the parties in this coalition call for um, uh, withdrawing from uh, racism which they're kind of interested in. 3rd and in which the national riley candidate finished in 1st. so effectively giving support to the my chromos
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candidates in the 2nd round against the far right and again that 2nd round is taking place next sunday. so this is kind of this idea of the republican front that many people thought was that this idea of voters joining together just have to stop the far from winning. and then we've also seen, to some extent, my kronos kansas is it's far from decided we have on our election coming up on sunday. but if you look at the, our, as program you can on the questions, they're somewhat unclear offers. they want him to repeal my problem retirement or form. now there may be taking a 2nd look at it. the most clearly ours when it comes to questions of immigration. so give you a few examples of what they want to repeal francis longstanding tradition of birds, right? citizenship, this idea that if you're born on french soil, even if your parents are foreigners, are both born, you can eventually obtain friends, nationalities, the national riley wants to repeal this tradition, which in some way it goes all way back to the 16th century with some exceptions. not even a vc regime in rome, where to do that,
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the repealing this tradition of birth, right citizenship ramping up deportation to the undocumented immigrants. that's also in the, in their program. and finally, it's created quite, quite a lot of controversy here in france and opposition, frankly, is there vowing to limit certain jobs in france, public service jobs to non dual citizen. so if you're a dual citizen in france, you wouldn't be able to have certain jobs. and again, this is a radical break with what we call the republican tradition in france. so on the immigration in questions and national national questions is really quite clear what they want to do. okay, so given that the, the, the national rabbit is such an anti immigrant policy. and so many people are all voting for them unashamedly. what is it about migration at the moment in friends that makes this party seems so attractive as
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well? you know, this is the question that's been part of the public debate in france for, for decades now. you know, really started wrapping up in the 19 seventy's when the economy started to slow down with, with each number crisis. so it's been kind of that the public guys, immigration is slightly increased since then, but the numbers are not deeper into concepts. not all of these enormous waves that you hear the are in talking about. um, you know, a part of it is i think the ongoing economic issues that they can sort of, you know, according to a lot of social sciences kind of activity and sort of the sort of the new phobic anti immigrant sentiment. i think that's part of it. i think another factor you have to look at really what's changed in the last 3 years in france. and it can be a little bit kind of navel gazing, to talk about the media. but it's very important. you have an increasingly aggressive conservative media infrastructure that isn't, that is growing in france led by a 1000000000 or got somebody to and you and you had
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a real shift and you can kind of media discourse and the conversation. and also my cross party has as follow suit as well. so in addition to the media that my kronos government is tried to kind of pick and choose certain topics, immigration, security, and in particular, immigration to sort of show that they too are serious about about this question. so we had a, a quite a controversial immigration law passed by my quotes that didn't actually get a boost of my calling to follow up with them. on the contrary, it actually showed the french public that well, the national riley is sort of winning the battle here of ideas. and i think all of that is played into their favor. talking to the thank you so much for welcome to so that call spangler freelance journalist and also thank or is there. i mean the conf. donald trump be prosecuted for his actions while and the wife has. according to the us supreme court, it depends just as is today rule, the former presidents are entitled to immunity for what they called official act,
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but not for unofficial acts. so what is all this about? well, this year the supreme court was asked to decide whether form the president, donald trump, was immune from prosecution in connection with his alleged attempts to over to the 2020 election. so the timing of this ruling is important as the window for a trial to be getting before the november election is not owing the quotes. 63 ruling reflected, the bench is conservative, liberal split, and the courts majority opinion. chief justice john roberts rose, the president is not above the law, but congress may not criminalize the president's conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the executive branch under the constitution. the chief justice went down to explain that a president inclined to take one course of action based on the public interest may instead of opt for another apprehensive that criminal penalties may before him. upon his departure from office. now it's a job of
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a lower court to decide whether the form of presidents actions are protected as an official acts. the case is still not over, but that didn't stop. donald trump from taken to his truth social platform to celebrate posting penguin for our constitution and democracy, proud to be an american let's go through the space that need to ask a man who's a lawyer and a former assistant to watergate special prosecutor. welcome to dw what he said the congress may not be criminalized. the president's conduct, encountering responsibilities of the executive branch, was the chief justice implying that congress have passed laws to criminalize before the president. donald trump. no, not at all. i think what he is saying is that there are certain core functions of the president on the such as of making appointments, pointing judges, etc,
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on that are the salt variety of, of the present. and those do not be criminalized. now, there are, there are. so for organs or should the president such as a pardon power, which donald trump didn't use in dig criminalize i by using it to obstruct justice in the russian investigation. so there's a lot of problems with this opinion. and the decision that was made by the supreme court today. oh, because because one of the biggest one this is that they be in firms from the just this is the opinion that conspiring to overturn the presidential election time be considered to full within a president's official duties that can hardly be true. and that's what makes this whole opinion. so bizarre, because this trusted this indictment if you read it from beginning to end, it all has to do with undermining the peaceful transfer of power from president
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trump to president. by the end, there are a whole series of criminal acts that are alleged in that indictment. so that the idea that you can parse this out between the official acts in private acts that is completely in name. in fact, if you look at the watergate matter with president nixon, i'm every thing he did that he would have been indicted for if he hadn't been pardoned, were what could be called official x. the fact that he had one of his age called the c i a and instruct him to tell the f b i to drop the investigation into the watergate breaking could be described as an official act, much the same way. either justice or the justice is described on donald trump talking to the attorney general. i'm so none of this really makes a lot of sense. other than the fact that they're all trying to just delay this as much as they can. so the donald trump doesn't have to face the music prior to the
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election. so 2 things in that firstly, this sounds like you're saying that the highest court in the land is parties on i'm trying to side with the president and with the former president. and there's goes for, for also from what you're saying is you, one has to work, try and work out how this highest quote of eminent legal minds has come to such an inane decision as you describe it to. yeah, i mean, 1st of all, that's actually true if you take what happened back in 1974 with the supreme court and the issue nixon's tape recordings, again on that particular court. there were a number of justices who had been appointed by richard nixon, but they all unanimously decided with one person just with actually one person reducing himself that nixon had to turn over. those takes, are there was nothing purchasing at all about it. this just has
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a different feel to it. it's had a different feel to it all along. ever since the overturning of the abortion decision are with the decision on the obstruction count on that day was use to indict a number of the january 6 riders on this really does not make a lot of sense other than to play into donald trump's strategy of delaying this whole matter until after the election. but this i'm sorry to dwell on this, but this is a business, a big thing. but you're saying to be citing the facts. this the pre im calling them out is any fact corrupt? yes, and it's saying that because there's no way back in 1972 and we're investigating richard nixon in the watergate matter. but anybody was saying, oh, there's presidential immunity. you have to be careful about what you do. we can't indict them. no one ever thought of that for
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a 2nd. that was never an issue. it has never been an issue in our entire history. until now, it was always considered that a president is not above the lock. what donald trump has been indicted for our real criminal violations, their alleged an indictment. he's got all the rights and responsibilities of anybody use a criminal defendant. and now all of a sudden the supreme court has come up with this whole crazy new scheme about official acts and not unofficial ex. none of which make a lot of real sense when you really come down to the question of donald trump had to corrupt in chance and the men's ready to commit the crimes that he's indicted for committee. so now we have this decision precipice. the present will be best, no appealing to. that's below now. right? that's correct. well, and what it means is it's going back district court. and the district court now is
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charged with deciding which are official acts and which are not official x. and then i, that's not the final word because at that point donald trump still has the ability to appeal with, through the circuit court through the supreme court. all of which is going to take even more time, probably up to a year. so there is no way that this case is going to a jury anytime soon as or how does this affects the, the case being full brutes by the special prosecutor, jack smith, as well as effects it is just going to be delayed more. i mean it's very possible the judge struck in the district, court judge will go through reach it. busy and, and make findings that these were not official acts. i don't know how you could ever say that trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another is an official whack me a president, has no official authority in dealing with the election with dealing with trying to
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stop the official count in congress that was up to the vice president is purely a ministerial, i'd sure. certainly putting together false electors. i can't be an efficient act since it's a point. so if i say we're looking at is more like all right, thanks for taking us through that vic ackerman, lawyer and former assistant was a special prosecute. thank you so much. thank you. now does that figure out why the president has unveiled a coalition cabinet after his african national congress lost its majority for the 1st time in 3 decades, fairly 0. remo. suppose that was supposed to see allies after the amc took just 40 percent of the folks in maisie elections. and so he's biggest problem is now the pro business democratic alignment bucks. john steve has a d. i had 6 ministers,
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including agriculture, a major part of south africa's economy. and the policy of nelson mandela has gone from south africa singlehandedly since the end of the parts i flew in 1994. here's what some south africans have been saying about the new government overall. i think um a diverse group of people of 1st diverse group of cabinet members, which means for a future hold for you. that means that the more inclusive with the, of using the opinions of society, or also diverse group of individuals in terms of age range. so hopefully in the, on your future we'll get to the invasion age group of having the all of these yes to can the visuals within parliament and really with the confirm but some bullets different people with different philosophies while in cabinet. um, i'm not really confident about it, but did they say the people started advocate spoken? have spoken. is that what they said they wanted? that's my question. um, i don't the least important sweetie, but to
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a what can you do? because at this point, i feel like you're spoken, but we're not being present. i wasn't surprised about many of them. i to, you know, there's a few that amuses me, like john student isn't in agriculture and you know, i don't know what he knows about elder culture apart from that you by chickens in supermarkets. let's get more on this from my correspondence of privilege. most vanity in johannesburg, welcome privilege. i particularly like that quote, we heard from the 2nd person, the people of south africa have spoken, but we're not being listened to tell us more about reactions to this coalition deal . the mixed feelings are coming out of the, the direction to these cabinets. i think most people uh, uh, taking it is a products of uh, the quantization which is for the magic sometimes because it is
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a products of negotiations many. so that's against fuel that it sees it brought, it's a cabinet and the water is that it is going to spend more funds. and this is a finances on political administration against service delivery. so they mixed the feelings when it comes to these cutting it. uh, some people who have thoughts that they're going to see a smaller company that is, has been promised missed by a prison trunel post that in the previous of a restriction. but the president, i'm a post that himself admitted when how us presenting this company that it was not possible because they wanted to a point did the partners in the coalition. and it does seem ironic, but b, i n c, the positive ended a positive not has to share power with a policy saying is representing south africa's of white minority. the
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n c found itself, um in uh, a compromise. it is uh, an issue of compromising leaning towards the da. one thing that could have happened is that d a by becoming the 2nd highest uh, uh, uh, potty in this election. um n c head to lean to as uh, the da because in terms of the negotiations that were offering better conditions than other policies you in see could have gotten easily into equation with the on the corner is easy. uh for my um, the president of the prison. so my spots and the 5th uh my live my spots. they could have went into a quality soon. but what then happens is that the conditions that the other parties were offering were also difficult for the n c to compromise. so d,
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a could have been the bit of devil to lean towards and other parties, but of course the i sent them is that, um, that are coming out. do you see the 5th and even the m. k pa to have lost out of the n c. and the issue doubt very strong statements to say that the n c is now going back to the a white minority of people that they think that you towards the dismantled during a posit. okay, good talking to you. i prefer thank you so much for joining us. i think that'll be corresponding image most on here. the aims, johannes, back, it's not is that they have more same time tomorrow or on dw, don't call after that, but the
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