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they fall, right? national riley took 1st place in sunday on sunday of crossing the president's centrist, the lines, which came in a poor 3rd. so now the question is, will next sunday, 2nd from vote, produce francis 1st ever fall arrived government since world war 2? i'm feel gale and this is the day the, the french people haven't gotten deliberative it sounding verdict and confirmed that clear desire such change in order to carry out the reforms that the country needs. we need an absolute majority for the country has to decide is it going to become more divided or is it going to pull together and be one people that is going to work for the common good notes a singles i must go to the national body and circumstances like these kind of to,
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for, to hesitate. that's all also on that i can us presidents commit crimes with impunity while the supreme court rotate same sizing. yes, but only for official acts as good news for donald trump problem for others as a travesty of justice. the idea that the american people will go to the polls, not knowing for sure, not knowing the details and not knowing for sure was donald trump an inspection fee of taking the scales of justice and gone like this. for donald trump. welcome to the day, friends and europe are coming to terms with a possibility of the fall, not gaining power. and one of the use coal members. the reading depends national valley potty has taken the laundry share of the votes. in the weekends, photos found a voting in parliamentary elections with 33 sent in the 1st round. i in the 1st
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rounds, now president macro centrist said here in gather they travelled inside with just 20 percent, and they came behind the left. during the lines of poll, 28 percent of the vote. presidents calling on both is to prevent the fall right from winning a governing majority. in net sundays, decisive, decisive, a final wrapped crashing between the 1st strong, defaulting. for the far right national really bought the a victory that has brought nationalist utah skeptic and in the immigrant politics fairly close to fall for the 1st time as well. i think it's the people's revenge on the leads with light to the french people for over 40 years. and i hope that we're reading the pain together with john and bob tyler, with linked friends up to the french values can finally return. and we can continue to hope for a better future to 0. i had to is in my eyes because i've been hoping for this for years. i'm hoping now we'll get the country back on its feet. you've got to do
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something before it said it shows them all of the national jelly is spinning its hopes on another spectacular victory in front of the strong off to submit. so one moment to my admission is to win an absolute majority on sunday. i call on the french people to remain mobilized on it. of course, i intend to form a government of national unit tell you on the basis of this salute, majority will be easiest for you to start that you almost have to excel thompson's of people in front. have protested about these when it's a seems to be, was, have long been considered terrible. the election, just those who lived many people she can and the results came in and i was completely shocked. it's totally overwhelming to say that a party that preaches hatred, his grades so many votes and events. the results, i don't need to set back for president emmanuel, and macro on centers through dentist and spotty. the president headquarters snap
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election, hoping that the far right speak, treat in greece, and you would have been far limited elections would not be repeated. the 1st strong has been a big win for the national vanity, which is how big we the only become clear after the 2nd drone devoting well on this from coal standler, he's a freelance journalist whose latest book is called paris is not dead surviving hyper gentrification in the city of lights, you joins us from my sight. welcome to the w. sunday's vote to a positive endorsement of marine depends natural, riley or just to the junction of protest motors against the president as well, thanks for having me. i think at this point, it's quite clear that we've kind of surpassed the era of protests of those. um, you know, the national riley has a very large base. and that base mobilized end of a on sunday, only to look at that participation figures. i think there's this kind of sense,
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especially on the last that hired turn out, we would only benefit the less that the the far right does not do well and higher through non elections books. actually what we saw on sundays that you had the highest through now since 1997 and the concepts of declining turnouts, people went on board and they voted for the far right before it has a base that's growing. and the vote so no, i think for, at this point, really beyond a protest though, we're talking about a share of the electorate is quite large. that shares common views about the economy and, and perhaps perhaps most importantly, shares common views about immigration in french identity. that's really the kind of cement that brings together this, this diverse colors and. and so what we have is something like a 2 sides of a vote. so is that a voting for a far less and far? right? so the extremes of gavin, they on both sides, they've got the majority of lots of horse trading is likely to be going on. a head of sunday, 2nd votes as my chrome centrist on the left is the lines that came 2nd,
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does i call on votes? has to stop the fall, right? it's yeah, i think i think it's important to do this as draft that there is no, there are no differences between, between producer about the extreme and stuff between the far right and then and then the left block. but, but certainly right now we've, we've entered a phase where, you know, very quickly after those results started to come in on sunday nights. we saw essentially left wing parties. so this broad coalition called a new popular friend, which is a nod to the uh, 1936 popular front that helps prevent the far right from, from winning power in france, we saw very quickly all the parties in this coalition call for withdrawing from racism which is their tentative interest in 3rd and in which the national riley candidate finished in 1st. so effectively giving support to the my crow this candidate in the 2nd round against the far right and again that 2nd round is taking
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place next sunday. so this is kind of this idea of the republican front that many people thought was that this idea of voters joining together just to stop the far from winning. and then we've also seen, to some extent, my cronus candidates, also withdrawing from these these races in which they're qualified in 3rd position . so that's the kind of horse trading that we're seeing going on if you have candidates really from both can stepping aside in the hopes that the candidate, the best position to, to, to feed the far right is able to do so. and that's what is the best chance that the left and then the my kronos have. if their goal is to prevent fire from getting an absolute majority because they're 577 seats, all of our needs to do is get 289 and they have enough to the majority at that point. okay, so painters a picture then of this previously unthinkable situation in which the national riley wins an absolute majority next week. what's likely to change in friends?
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what would we notice from outside and box from inside or yeah, i mean, i think it's important to stress, again, this is, you know, it's, it's, it's far from decided we have all the election coming up on sunday. but if you look at our ends program, you can on the questions, they're somewhat unclear. first, they want them to review my problem retirement or form. now there maybe take me a 2nd look at it. the most clear they are and when it comes to the questions of immigration. so give you a few examples. one, they want to repeal friends as longstanding tradition of dirt, track citizenship. this idea that if you're born on french soil, even if your parents are foreigners, are both for and you can eventually obtain french nationalities, the national riley wants to repeal this tradition, which in some way it goes all way back to the 16th century with some exceptions. not even the vc regime in world war 2. did that. the repealing this tradition of birth, right? citizenship wrapping up deportation to undocumented immigrants. that's also in the, in their program. and finally, it's created quite, quite
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a lot of controversy here in france. i'm in opposition, frankly there, vowing to limit certain jobs in france, public service jobs to non dual citizen. so if you're a dual citizen in france, you wouldn't be able to have certain jobs. and again, this is a radical break with what we call the republican tradition in france. so on the immigration in questions and national national questions, it's really quite clear what they want to do. okay, so given that the, the, the, the national rabbit is such an anti immigrant policy. and so many people are all voting for them on the shame literally bought. is it about migration at the moment in front of us that makes this policy seems so attractive? well, you know, this is the question that's been part of the public debate and transfer for decades now. you know, really started wrapping up in the 19 seventy's when the economy started to slow
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down with each number crisis. so it's been kind of that the public i immigration is slightly increased since then, but the numbers are not indeed put into concepts, not all of these enormous waves that you hear the are in talking about. um, you know, a part of it is i think the ongoing, you can know how many issues that, that can sort of, you know, according to a lot of social sciences kind of activate that and sort of the sort of the new phobic uh, anti immigrant sentiment i think that's part of it. um, i think another factor you have to look at really what's changed in the last few years in france. and it can be a little bit kind of navel gazing and talking about the media. but it's very important. are you have an increasingly aggressive conservative media infrastructure that is, that is growing in france led by a 1000000000 or got somebody to annual general shifted even kind of media discourse and the conversation. and also my girls party is as follow suit as well. so in addition to the media that my kronos government is trying to kind of pick and
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choose certain topics, immigration, security, and in particular, immigration to sort of show that they 2 are serious about about this question. so we had a, a quite a controversial immigration law passed by my quotes that didn't actually get a boost in my phone. on the contrary, it actually showed the french public at 12 a national riley is true winning the battle here of ideas. and i think all of that is played into their favor control here. thank you so much for welcome to so that call spangler freelance journalist and also thank this is happening the can donald trump, the prosecutor, is it for his actions while and the wife has? according to the us supreme court, it depends justices today rule, the former presidents are entitled to immunity for what they called official act, but not for unofficial acts. so what is always about, well, it is. yeah, the supreme court was asked to decide whether for the president, donald trump,
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was immune from prosecution in connection with his alleged attempts to over to the 2020 election. so the timing of this ruling is important to us, the window for a trial to begin before the november election is not owing the quotes. 63 ruling reflected the benches, conservative liberal split and the quote, the majority opinion, chief justice john roberts rose, the president is not above the law, but congress may not criminalize the president's conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the executive branch under the constitution. the chief justice went down to explain that a president inclined to take one course of action based on the public interest may instead of opt for another apprehensive that criminal penalties may before him. upon his departure from office. now it's a job of a lower court to decide whether the form of presidents actions are protected as an official acts. the case is still not over,
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but that didn't stop. donald trump from taking to his tooth social platform to celebrate the posting penguin for our constitution and democracy, proud to be an american let's go through the space that need to ask a man who's a lawyer and a former assistant to both the gate special prosecutor, welcome to dw what he said, the congress may not be criminalized. the president's conduct, encountering responsibilities of the executive branch, was the chief justice implying that congress had passed laws to criminalize before the president. donald trump. no, not at all. i think what he is saying is that there are certain core functions of the president on the, such as of making appointments, pointing judges, etc. on that are the sold for roggette of the present. and those to not be criminal,
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watched. now, there are others. so for argues, usually the president, such as a partner power, which donald trump didn't use in dig criminalize i by using it to obstruct justice in the russian investigation. so there's a lot of problems with this opinion. and the decision that was made by the supreme court today. oh, because because one of the biggest one this is that they do firms from the just this is the opinion that conspiring to overturn the presidential election time be considered to full within a president's official duties. and that can hardly be true, and that's what makes this whole opinion. so bizarre because this trusted this indictment if you read it from beginning to end, it all has to do with undermining the peaceful transfer of power from president trump to president bites. and there are. busy a whole series of criminal acts that are alleged in that indictment. so that the idea that you can parse this out
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between official acts in private acts that is completely in name. in fact, if you look at the watergate matter with president nixon, i'm every thing he did that he would have been invited for if he hadn't been parties were what could be called official x. the fact that he had one of his age called a c i a and instruct him to tell the f b i the dropped the investigation into the watergate breaking could be described as an official act, much the same way. either justice or the justice is described of donald trump talking to the attorney general. i'm sure none of this really makes a lot of sense. other than the fact that they're all trying to just delay this as much as they can. so the donald trump doesn't have to face the music prior to the election. so 2 things in that firstly, this sounds like you're saying that the highest court in the land is parties on and
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trying to side with the president and with a former president. and there's goes to for also from what you're saying is you one has to work, try and work out how this highest quote of eminent legal minds has come to such an inane decision as you describe it to. yeah, i mean, 1st of all, that's actually true if you take what happened back in 1974 with the supreme court and the issue nixon's tape recordings, again on that particular court. there are a number of justices who have been appointed by richard nixon are, but they all unanimously decided with one person just with actually one person are reducing himself. that nixon had to turn over those takes, are there was nothing purchasing at all about is this just has a different feel to it. it had a different feel to it all long. ever since the overturning of the abortion decision are with the decision on the obstruction count on that day was used
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to indict a number of the january 6 riders off. this really does not make a lot of sense other than to play into donald trump's strategy of delaying this whole matter until after the election. for this. i'm sorry to dwell on this, but this is a business, a big thing that you're going to be signing, thoughts versus pre im calling them out. is any fact corrupt? yes, i'm not saying that because there's no way back in 1972 and we're investigating richard nixon in the watergate matter. but anybody was saying, oh, there's presidential immunity. you have to be careful about what you do. we can't date and no one ever thought of that for a 2nd. that was never an issue. it has never been an issue in our entire history. until now, it was always considered that a president is not above the lock. what donald trump has been indicted for our real
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criminal violations, their alleged an indictment. he's got all the rights and responsibilities of anybody use a criminal defendant. and now all of a sudden the supreme court has come up with this whole crazy new scheme about official acts and not unofficial acts. none of which make a lot of real sense when you really come down to the question of donald trump, had the corrupt intent and the men's ready to commit the crimes that he's indicted for committee. so now we have this decision fest vista present would be best no appealing. that's below now. right? that's correct. well, and what it means is it's going back district court. and the district court now is charged with deciding which are official acts and which are not official x. and then i, that's not the final word. because at that point, donald trump still has the ability to appeal with through the circuit court through
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the supreme court. all of which is going to take even more time, probably up to a year. so there is no way that this case is going to a jury anytime soon as or how does this affects the case being full brought by the special prosecutor, jack smith, as well as effects it is just going to be delayed more. i mean it's very possible the judge struck in the district, court judge will go through reach it. busy and, and make findings that these were not official acts. i don't know how you could ever say that, trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another is an official act. my president has no official authority in dealing with the election with dealing with trying to stop the official count and congress that was up to the vice president is purely a ministerial. i'd sure,
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certainly putting together false electors. i can't be an efficient act since it's a point. so if i say we're looking at is more like all right, thanks for taking us through that vic ackerman, lawyer and former assistant was a special prosecute. thank you so much. thank you. now does that figure out why the president has unveiled a coalition cabinet after his african national congress lost its majority for the 1st time in 3 decades. the following serial. remo, suppose that was forced to seek allies after the amc took just 40 percent of the folks in maisie elections. the agencies biggest problem is now the pro business democratic and lines went by john steve hayes and a d. i had 6 ministers, including agriculture, a major part of south africans economy. and the policy of nelson mandela had go from south africa singlehandedly since the end of the parts i flew in 1994. is what
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some south africans have been saying about the new government overall. i think um a diverse group of people's i'll 1st diverse group of cabinet members which means for a future hold for you. that means that the more inclusive with the, of using the opinions of society, or also diverse group of individuals in terms of age range. so hopefully in the, on your future, we'll get to the invasion age group of having the arrow. it gives us to can the visuals within parliament and really with the confirm but some bullets different people with different philosophies while in cabinet. um, i'm not really confident about it, but did they say the peoplesoft advocate spoken have spoken. is that what they say they wanted? that's my question. um, i don't the least important sweetie, but a what can you do? because at this point i feel like we've spoken, but we're not being present. i wasn't surprised about many of them. i to, you know,
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there's a few that amuses me, like just doing a zoom in agriculture and you know, i don't know what he knows about elder culture. apart from that, you buy chickens in supermarkets. let's get this from my correspondence of privilege. most money and johannesburg. welcome privilege, i particularly like that quote, we heard from the 2nd person, the people of south africa have spoken, but we're not being listened to tell us more about reactions to this coalition deal . a mixed feelings, coming out of the, the direction to these cabinets. i think most people, uh, uh, uh, taking it is a product of uh, the quantization which is mm program. i take sometimes because it is a products of negotiations. manosalvas against fuel that uh uh, it sees, it brought its uh cabinet. and the water is that it is going to spend more
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funds, and this is a financing is on political administration, a guest service delivery. so the mix, the feelings when it comes to these cabinet, uh, some people who would have thought that they were going to see a smaller cub in it. uh, is this been processed, missed by a prison drama post that in the previous of a restriction. but the president, i'm up with that himself admitted when us presenting this company that it was not possible because they wanted to point it as a partners in the coalition. and it does seem ironic, but b, i n c, the positive it ended up positive not has to share power with a policy saying is representing south africa's of white minority. the n c found itself in a compromise. it is an issue of compromising leaning towards the da. one thing that
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could have happened is that d a by becoming the 2nd highest uh, um, potty in this election. um n c head to lean to as a, the da because in terms of the negotiations that were offering better conditions than other parties in see could to have gotten easily into equation with the on the corner and sees it. uh for my um, the president of the present. so my spots and the 5th for my live my spot to they could have gone into a quality soon. but what then happens is that the conditions that the other parties were offering were also difficult for the n c to compromise. so d a could have been the bit of devil to lean towards and other parties. but of course, the send to me is that to, um, that are coming out,
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do you see the fs and even the m k pa to have lost out of the n c and issued out very strong statements to say that the n c is now going back to the white minority of people that they think that you towards that dismantled during a posit. okay. good. talking to you after various. thank you so much for joining us . i think that'll be corresponded. image most money, ames johannes, back and that is the day more same time tomorrow or on the dw, don't call for the but the
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