the numbers you so much for the technical church. 3 generations. one johnny dots, july 7th on d. w. the in the early hours of february 24th just over 2 years ago. are you kidding you? enjoy listing care hub, be unmistakable sound the russian miss. i'll talk you soon. he says he really believes that he to be lying in a fit with a russian bullet in his head. but it didn't happen instead, any upon the money. and co woke up went out and began reporting in real time. how you can use it for a full on a daily hourly basis. his new book cold, i will show you how it was found. the 1st 3 months of most goes invasion. and his remarkable new love affair with his own country. here upon the muddy and co welcome to come fix home. hello. thank you for having me. your new book

shots the 1st month. so most goes without invasion on ukraine and towards you. 22. a story you said about so many people doing incredible things. i'm discovering a lot of incredible things about themselves. like got um, you know, war a search has a function of making people reveal who they truly are to reveal the interest selves . so many regular people just like your me just like anyone you know, appear to be capable of incredible things like making a moral choice. ok then, or what was rights against all the odds will little to no chance to when, when the entire world, the be great and alive. yet regular people objected drivers, radio host, and the military people made decisions to stand up making moral choice and

fights. as many people are not there truly believing in the grain. so my book is about very regular people do it for roy things. when the darkest on time games you've often said the hope all was once another chance, but then how close have you come to losing. busy for over these last 2 years, i must say that the darkest areas in this regard was the 1st day of the invasion. first our something vacation because what was happening was k us was may have was extremely dog environment in terms of, you know, the entire world given us. i mean ukrainians in india and gave one to 2 to 72 hours . and the 1st hours were telling us very little about, you know, the future and about the chances of this country to survive and to go on living and

fight in and survive. and but same time with 1st victories of your clients, such as the very southern victory of the grand forces said, because normally our field, which is the airfield just outside key if we was attacked by russians with 1st, fortunately, failures spectacular failures and such a sudden and unexpected move taylor's, there appeared to be a dream of hope and a very sudden understanding that's what can make it. we can do it while she is failing. so the beer is over the darkest hours. very, very quickly shipped to home and to know the motivation to move forward. that's your 1st thought was we were going to die. you said we were under no illusions as to what would happen. we would end up in a pit with a bullet in our head. how. how long did that sort stay with you? i think it's 24 hours. let's go this way from the evening before the invasion from

the night before. the invasion of this night's, of that dissipation ends to the 1st symbolic victory of the kind of forces and the cost on the air feel that we haven't already discussed the moment. um, and initially we really had no illusions about our chances, but some still as hold always funds starts to find the weight. we were thinking about really a war a very long ago with the war that is unwinnable from russia in the ends. so we, we knew that that's going to be our, that, that it will work with lots of casualties, lots of heavy the consequences of this country by the same time in dm's, you gain the best for ukraine. but while we're compass, but when they 1st picture, so we kind of soldiers defeating russia, of russian air born jobs and the cost only our fields, which was supposed to be a quick jump on ok if they appear to be home. and i don't understand and that's we

against again story you again, so your expectations, if you and your colleagues decided you were going to report this war in real time, not just the fighting, but what do you want, other people so and felt and in 5 days you went from 10000 follows on x to over a 1000000. how do you explain that? was it that you are holding up a, a mirror for people and say look into it? there's some good news. the, the soldiers are resilience invasion of k of has been stopped in its tracks. was it that i think, i think it's more about the unique nature of the situation. but we're, and i mean the phone scale or to style more and invasion in the middle of all the day and time in general. just all the twenty's. um, that was in general of the whole situation for the roger. great that in general, because for the new grain it was so distorted, really rare black and whites so full of emotions. so full of things that touch upon

the most basic uh and the best things about human nature that gets resonated with so many people around the world. because most people are good people, no matter whether you live in the world, how far that's how, what people's emotions during that period. and it was very much about emotions because um, like i said, there was such a black and white situation and such a terrible feeling all the doomsday coming up on the entire nation. that was in a sense that never deserved this. and we were born of those 2 crania, as i mentioned, many, also many 4 of us who supported us, who felt this way. they were outrages. they were in a screaming from the inside of the souls and social media. so naturally that gains a lot of attention because of the unique situation that we were in use. so people on the streets who saw people in an air ride shelters, you must have had some extraordinary conversations. was there one in particular that stuck in your mind? uh, i have

a moment that i really remember and tire coats almost every single day about things like moms telling favorite tails to little kids in the underground shelters. as if there's no more just you know, laying there. you know, your mom's leaving the kids don't sleep really late in the nights, out on the floor, on the country for on subway station that use. that's what used to be like an air bump sheller. so tell us the tale from old u a. b, and you know, the floor and making they are, so somebody will come for the children. so it's very tales in the middle for, for kids that do not deserve this. you said the biggest difference between pre war ukraine now is the sense of unity in the country and sense of, of becoming a nation, a nation that wants to be dependent, that appreciates being independent. how does that manifest itself?

where, where do you see that it's, it's about so many little things that happen in this country. it's about so many things that you know, appear in the minds of people such as far as those, despite the war, despite the, you know, the terrible situation that we're in. we have a non at spectacular outbreak of the cleaning and cultural like truly unique, ukrainian culture in the more weight of songs. music. even the stand up comedy stand up, comedy is just having the renaissance here in ukraine with young's media is um, having tours and uh, you know, having a performance as an air bomb shelters and the gain in gain and a lot of audience and, you know, go with the money for the military to it's about the increasingly large use of your brand new language. when it says may russian speaker switch to creating language. yes, because of the principal, just because the doctor wants to have anything in common with russia a culturally and was sickly to it's about so many things that's really

make create the united to creating a nation as it will be both from the grants east and the brain grants west, finally have a really large story and into common and you didn't expect any of this. you didn't expect the government to be the resemblance to the outbreak of this without war. i must say that i, this is exactly what i expected because 0 in the time a brief and the doctor's time, especially when it comes to such a resilience. and it's a very viable nation that you're buying it is uh, people tend to find the cold. do you know, gets united states across the street on something on the idea of surviving? so it's a very nature whole thing. and in many ways it's, it's getting us since the beginning of the conflict and bush and from 6 as dictate . so it'd be coming from 2013. it's super different from what you're saying this. and i must say that i like ukraine of today, much more let's,

let's talk about the west. the extravagant promises to stay with you all the way to victory. and then the, the delays before during the weapons that web given over given late the invitations that keep being sent to join the nato. but they don't have any data on them. have you lost face with the west along the way? i don't think so. i don't think i have lost faith. i'm for both of you ladies have cost huge numbers of you currently live. suddenly the delays and getting the weapons for you. i mean, as you know, that's it just so that they, that entire story of the praying for suede and begging the west into, you know, change of the attitude change and the position towards which russia is changing the inside political backgrounds, entire mindsets. and i'm begging it every single step with every single web. i think it's a complicated story. it's a hard story. it's a story. so do people feel let down by that? it's not the fault, it's probably situational. you know, you're going to say,

it's certainly emotional. it's a very vibrant culture with very little bodily public opinion. so once that comes, you could be say, and things like the way the west has to be trained off, but the same time was something positive happens. the same person will tell you that no, the west is still with us. you know, we finally made and we persuade on this, but no hands on hodge, honestly speaking, you know, given all the, you know, as we look at the general situation, i've never seen that happen or even a all in the last 2 and a half years. it's impossible not to say that the west has really changed. it's not changing as fast. and as, as the nomic last, we wanted, as it's necessary for the sounds victor, to all the brain and the free world in this we're, but what's the change of west has done and much one that we could realistically expect knowing what the west used to be 2 years ago, would you trust the wife any more or any less? if donald trump becomes president again?

i think we still have hold. even if donald trump, because the president again was to have hope. and one of the things that we learned from this war is that there's always a way if you are not given up, if you are ready to go on struggling and fighting work. and there's always a way to go because we have overcome so many nevers about so many things about um in this what you know, it's advice but there's so many times you were written off. people didn't trust you . people didn't have faith in you. and i don't think that that ever happens because it's of been them in the process of you know, it's very painful, very, it's steady evolution towards enforcing something with the west persuade. and the end of working with people it's, it's a world it's, but it's the same time. i know it's something to work with. so that's why we're not those and hopefully always find it and wait to use this. you said you think the the wall could go on another couple of years. what do you think would have happened by

the end to end it? mutual exhaustion on both sides, running out of i munition, what we are thinking about and what many analysts solve. so notes that's, russians have been fight on this, whereas if there is no tomorrow, i mean the, or there's sources are large, i bonds on there so that the legacy is extremely abundant. but same time they were fighting the war. so in such a wasteful weight, that's in all the that they cannot come to save their losses, but they'll production and as many analyst node it and we see it to come from inside your training. and if i'm able to reach you, they only cover like 20 percent of the, of their losses. so in the next year, in the next 2 years, that may come, the situation in which russia will have to um, rely on its own production only without any bug or less. so be

a supplies anymore. so which means rush would be in less capable of large scale operations, which means watch a having to narrow down their goals on the brain, which means i have an opportunity to strike a deal to negotiate. because you guys, you're not capable of pushing your crane and, and doing so, as you think this will end up and it goes to the aging table, not on the battlefield on. hopefully that's going to be a strong position for you. train them for the, for the world to negotiate and talk as simple it is just the praise guys. so you're not capable of the doing this any again, week or so. let's stop this before it's too late. because you'll get them with her, but the same time, which i don't deny, that's the problem is operational about this, where they're not thinking about, you know, rational, positive things. they're not a goodwill and disregard. so it's, it's good could be an option that no matter what's the situation of russia,

it appears to be in, they can go on and on and on what the score, because war as such as an idea, the perpetual, we're on the west, but you only create and extension of ukraine is the like a bad update update over stream and federal control and rule of russia. so do you did sign the agreement with them? would you have any expectation that they'd stick to it? no, absolutely, no. the only possible reason for them to stick to the payment is to enforce it sort of a piece deal of them. they will never observe a piece deal that is not enforced unless they have to unless they are forced to do this. so there is no good will, there's no, there's no trust in any sort of agreement unless they absolutely have to do this unless they are not capable and disabled and denied from their ability to go and fight in this way. this is the only, unfortunately, wait, and you don't see any possibility of a living peacefully permanently beside each other after this at least will for

example future. yeah, the only possible way to, to do so that is to disabled russia from having a large scale offensive operations about a against the crane ends, which is, which is even more important. ukraine be in a way to strong in the weight, so dangerous as a potential um, which amount of the, of, and other attack. so be way to strong is the only possible way to prevent, in other words, and to go on living without, without more entity going prevents and developing a little more. so the date with her still to start stop will be at the beginning of the periods of extremely hard work from inside the train and from outside your client's here to prevent. in other words, by making your grand astronomy as it, as it possibly can be reached the front of the co. you live now in butcher 25 kilometers west of kiff, the area. so a massive, brutal occupation by russian forces in march 2022,

which left hundreds did many appear to have been executed in cold blood with the hands tied. how is that what you're now? is it one of the hopeful signs that you spoke about? yes, i must say that i moved uh, double check shortly after the liberation from russia. and i bought my 1st apartments um, shortly before the beginning of the full scale invasion. and uh, when i originally went to a bunch of old in the police, holding the military as along side with so many draw and listen to this picture was terrible. you know, it's, it's really hard to describe the picture of ma'am. all is the smell of death and the touch of evil. that was in the, in the year following the withdrawal of russians. and i remember many colleagues saying that's up to her, everything that was seen in there up to all the mass graves of the, all the dead bodies that we saw in the bushes course forever is going to be across

the land. but it never happens really. spring time came. people return to the city, months, get it, got eligible, they babies and barks, know the son came in all the life prevailed. so ever since then, which is one of the best places to live in here, many of the places were resurrect. it's a lot of people moved in there to, to live. you know, so anyways, i'm really happy that i moved to bush and i lived here and i enjoyed living here because in many ways what's happened, simple change. the sign of hope is this is every single day i walk through the streets and i see it. i even, i remind myself of the fact that life always fails in all the lights prevails over the darkness. and this is exactly what happens with the small town. comes aid down in the woods just outside key of life prevailed. no matter what's reporting on this

conflict, you came across that russian. so just one of them you were able to identify from the name patch on his uniform and an online search. who was he and how did it make you feel? seeing photos of the place he lived and the family and the imagine what his life might have been like. now, do you have the terms to live it? yes, i am the finds it to find one of the russian soldiers to be precise. he was an officer, a young guy, 24 years old, the young officer um, with the military education. and the guy is from uh, ethic body as pain was born, 7000 kilometers away from k of. and i'm in the russian range. i'm really close to one goal in border um healthy young looking guy, a big fan of football of activities. and i really from, i only got to batch name and i a bill i was able to with the help of the internet

to construct the entire life his family, his sister, his mom is a teacher. his town is or invested to you. it's still far away from the crane and to me, of this experience, this very event them experience, i must say, was one of the payments on almost for the entire of mine. so a life appointment i talked to earlier because i realize how upsurge, and so that was the essence of the easiest to get in that sort of the of this work . this young guy could have a family this, the guy because have could be like a local coach for this football team is so far away from bush. he could be a, i don't know, a level deputy and work on making his life and the life of his peers better so far away from the train. yes, he died from nothing he burns in the tank from nothing. 7000 kilometers away from home, from age you all take more. that is and just and more, which is even more terrible for me until further, you know, for, for everybody else has that so many good people. young go guys and girls from your

grand pets of di to stop him and the likes of him and the yogic more for the me go manage today or since his wishes. and this is one of the most tragic and terrible things about 4 to 2 years on how normal does it feel to still be in the middle of this? well, how much of pre war life has survived over the last 2 years when it comes to most of the grand territory like gifts? living many of the cities, even on this uh, lives is as close to being low as it is as it can possibly be. because um, there is the thing about human nature and the one that people can people tend to be striving to normalcy as much as they can. so business work in restaurants, work in shopping malls and spied power outages. by the way, people use technology is to stay online to stay working bates access to but spend

economy to, you know, go places, enjoy life, and go to seats side by the budget and say among people that they don't put things off of you if they were thinking about getting married, where they go to do it rather than weight because of level. um yeah, they've changed people's attitudes in that way. for instance, that's interesting thing that happens to a human society and more people do not splits in food and beautiful things besides in the middle of work. if he wants to get married. one is the best time to do this because who knows what happens tomorrow? the same things about, you know, change them. they are of human lives, you know, doing something beautiful and this, you know, many people in the, many of my friends they have kits despite you know, having a war because this is the attitudes. so they're camden and they may be know, tomorrow, so today is today, life is now. so,

and this is the and i would say that it's, it's, it, it might sound weird, but it's one of the beautiful things that have them to be built in war. so people live lives and they defy the darkness they defy the life killing force that's, you know, covers this country and the state and the same time, it's a sort of a defiance towards what's russia, what's what um, what's the chief issue going on? living as the gradients. um you know, you enjoyed your credit and culture, new kind of language and you can join the kind of life trying to make this country still a better place. and it's, you know, to find the, find the death and don't want to live in is one of the, in a ways to combat the some more. it's finally printing. good. it sounds almost as if in the middle level of this conflict, you've fallen in love with your country again and again this, yes, i must say that's, you know, again, it's a very interesting thing about, you know, a few months ecology is that the ones you,

i about just lose something you start to really appreciate and something and it's, um, it's what it's on the personal level for us. that's my love to keep. okay. is i always loved the renaissance. it's in the city gave me so much about that in my life, but the same time when you're about to lose, that's your thought to really appreciate. and so i didn't, it gave my days when i'm not off work to and all started in history of the key of to in the walking the streets and the, you know, knowing every single detail about this ancient and beautiful city. and whether it's extremely wes. so ization of significance, the same going sabelle, g crane to no history, no of the train. and it's, it's once on the site it's through because people really discover your brain for themselves. people. so i appreciate and many people. so i appreciate what they have and the people in general over the decay, those weren't people started see. and the beauty that they have of having the

independent country of cross country of country. oh, they own that is about them so. so it's really works this way. we love your brain as, as much as never before on so many personal levels of the problem i are going to be very good to have your own coverage. so thank you very much sir. is the the

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