tens of thousands, talented to help with reconstruction. but the end i dream of revolution. july 20th on d, w. this week on the 77 percent street debate when people think kicked tom think think money, luxury k toners, connecticut is the most any close to site team the world fees a to i talk about a student who don't have that money. if we didn't, who doesn't work from home, how are they going to stop by the focus on down is insane, but that's the fast and space and seem to be signed municipality and saw that because it doesn't match. the cape town is the best. it's a wonderful feats, but it means nothing or in the general idea of, of lifting. everyone. hello

and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debates. my name is edith kimani and this week we are back in cape town, south africa. now this is a city that's used to being the best a community categories, but it's also a citric grappling with the legacy of apartheid economic decide which is to continue to rule the daycare. as of today, we're trying to find out the best. yes, but best for who, who better to answer this question for me then some lovely south africans. i don't want to touch base. no mind love because we were speaking yesterday on the phone and your born free. right. and yet you were telling me that you already disillusioned. why? hi, thank you so much for having me. know my dissolution meant absolutely comes from the idea that of to city as women to be a meant to seem like a society, a democracy that has everything together. but in fact, we are regressing in so many ways in terms of that democracy. in what ways do you think you, regressing, particularly me, i come from

a student's background. so i particularly see that when we discuss finance in the students sick, the of course education is the backbone of any society, but access to education is something in south africa that has been reserved for those who can't afford it. okay, so we'll come back to that in just a short while at the economic, despite to when it comes to education, but to bundle you live here, right? you were born and raised in cape town. can you tell me what the situation is like for the average person living in the city? i think as, as the mind just said, if you don't have access to the sources, you have to have the, the, the lock should be to have access to it. you on the back phone, so yes, we now we know beautiful. but of gave me on the what the fun, but the is so many different spaces to this, such as township, such as as s can we, is where i also comes on. and if you don't have someone who's going to be giving you a hand up, then if someone is taking you out of that position,

you're going to be making the and it's a very difficult space to be in. yeah. so can you paint that picture for me because when people think cape tom, they think money, you luxury. but we also have the cape flats. what's life like that? a death every day on the death of a young person every day to be more specific. um, hopelessness of feeling of a total profit, the people living in shacks which is basically like a full roof sheet structure with no sanitation. um, no electricity. uh they have to go to to the government, but on they do pay them government grants. they depend on some suggestions for food . um uh, so it's quite a, it's quite a different an adult place um from what are we seeing right now and, and, and talk economically but also talk socially mentally. so people the young and old or just lift. yeah. what is the 2? okay, let me bring and tell me who's representing the d a, which is a very popular part to here in cape town. i mean,

it must not be nice to hear that young people feel disillusioned and they haven't even been a life to, to years what's not working. so the, do you just like any add the port t, dining or municipality is not immune from social challenges. ok. time oh, it's a nomic try them just for that matter. so as a young person myself, i can be like to some with the same to me instead of being shaved years today. but as someone also works with the municipality is one of the youngest counselors in the country, i can say that okay, down isn't a fault based to position company to other municipalities at on the 20. if we just look at the evidence in front of us, and i'm speaking about the report from the auditor jingle, numerous research reports, that's a se telling us that more jobs are created your area than any of us at the. let me ask kasicoda here because you are not afraid of speaking the truth. in fact, you confronted some of the leadership in this city in your opinion,

with the disconnect because the da think things are working. but on the other hand, we're hearing some doc situations. the cape zone has been to clear it is the most new causal site in the world, another the, the shape of both the and see which is the governing party and liberation movement . as well as under the democratic alliance is based on inequality is one of the biggest issues since the dawn of freedom in south africa. we have not seen any single affordable units being built in the, in the states. it until the legacy of updates. black and brown people are subjected to having to live in communities with basic services are not provided. and this is, it is not the voice to from the historical and deep violent history that we have in south africa. that's known white's people were subjected to such conditions. less has changed in terms of policy, less has changed in terms of how blackboard is a police in cape town. we may say this is a wordpress say to yes it is for some people. but for the vast majority of people

living in cape town will happen not to be white. people in particular is the experience that women into pop update and like time you sign a page and just said yes, of, of democrats that we will say it was vivid. and i let me hear what's on your mind. so for me, i'm not a youth. so i've got the perspective a different perspective in that city is have paused show, we've got a few freedoms as township entrepreneurs, as tasha presidents, which are mostly policy, you know, changes. but in terms of implementation, nothing has changed and i agree we need to be expects move for, you know, the last 3 decades. we've got nothing to show for it. but when we look at ourselves as indigenous people versus other global indigenous people that have been subjugated since he has, it's not enough time for us to be able to expect us. as the intention is to make the changes, we need to put more pressure on people like the d a. the white people who have had

the benefit of privilege for more than 400 years. they need to come in and damage cause you please move. a lot of pressure is put on as has black people to be the ones who have to stand up and fix things and remedy and point out where the problems are. what we need to be doing now is putting the blame or spotlights back onto the people that subjugate us and say to them, they need to come to the party. so let me ask lou here a new by the way, please tell our audience, your full name, my name is put them on. okay. and so because i can't do the click sounds, i'm just gonna call you do i hope it's fine. so you are still representing the a c, particularly we use leak. we're talking about systems being broken. why into fixing them from the inside? i think we have to be honest initially and to point out what exactly was said that the agency in particular is not only working to retrace this 48 years of successful operation by the part of the government. but it's also working to retrace the use of the units of africa and the quantization which came before that. so we told him

about centuries of successful depression here of the, of the majority by the minority 10th. i much. item fulton went up with the previously disadvantage groups, right. and also we spoke a little on about access to education and i think we have to be quite honest about that. that much has been done to ensure that the doors of education are open to all, particularly those who did not have access to education before and were systematically excluded based on the color of the skin. but also we must state that there is biased to any quality within the so called best one safety in the country, which escaped on the black. the blacks, the colors, everyone else's class was caused by this one white i trusted in the areas which are the most dangerous areas to live in our people's even can read it areas or people are unsafe during the, during the night. and the best parts of coupon, which of course, are reserved for the minority to systematically, that is they would, you know, be where the majority of the people are unable to. we're unable to leave within the city to serve as specific or, and that's what we need to acknowledge within the city. okay, so before we go to far, you have to come back to talk to me about access to education know here and say,

you know, it's so much better now that it used to be nice, black people can go to school. the colors have access to university it. what do you mean? i think it's something a bit violent to constantly acknowledge and pad in the back. yes, we're doing so well. guess what is shipping this? yes. with cheating that but on the ground again, a movement like these mis full happened from 2015, 2017 is. and those fights that people did. we included all those things that the fees was full after this and purchased, as did. seems now and void. it seems like absolutely the most waste of time because violence within use the t especially still replicates with yeah, off the people don't have housing, they don't have access to education. i have 2 slides to register for my mazda. is this the final year mazda is they wouldn't let me in because of x, y, z again,

what's, what's x, y, z finance money, because i didn't have the necessary scholarships. i didn't have the necessary marks . everything like that in order to complete something i'd work so hard for. yeah. okay, let me hear from the gentleman here. i think we want to talk you about the access to education only those who can afford the one who can access the education. but the question is, who are those who can afford that? those who are minority to induce count because the majority of people's lives in the account. they can't afford fees at why isn't the government the increased fees each and every it even though institution includes the fees with close to 4.5 percent. but the question is, who would those things to be done? man, it's like, it's a matter of time to see those who can't afford don't do they have access to education. never. so let me hear from you for a 2nd because the situation is not going to change any time soon, right. and the universe to the thing, they simply can't afford to the fees any further. so what happens?

so i think i just want to pause on the journey of a young person growing up in the k flats. you eventually then make it out to go and finish um, grade 12, then move onto the higher education and you finish your degree. grapple with the issues such as, um, the tea i've been looking for what you've already said. it's difficult. tell us why shavon difficult is an understatement. maybe maybe we should start, but we're not finding what these a huge percentage of us can choose. you guys use any improvement, so you get a degree, you went to school for years, some of us 5, you get even the on does you get them off to do find the job? no, because companies want a certain skill set. you don't have it skills because you just finish does a dictation. they want to certain standard to values. these must be to be learned that the universe to be the midland that. so we're getting out of university being sounded as well, competing with those who um, but getting it to a foot in the door thinks you about a job even longer. people being simple to go work for taking the same does you,

you don't follow you to passion because they just not enough cutting it down for everyone. yeah, no. what do you have to say to that? because your part is showing it has been anything additional for says for thought to is this a discussion which has been having for a very long time, which traditional universities and it must be said, the traditional universities are refused to the goal of the curriculum. and this is with a discussion on the equipment position of the coach. and i'm comes into the into, into please. because when you look at what you've previously, um technical universities are doing, they've been able to incorporate that work integrated, learning into their own cover each of them i see where you're going with this, but it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation here, right? because they need a dictation that they don't have access to education. you know, they may have the curriculum to change, but who is supposed to change the curriculum? actually because they told me. so the biggest issue we had to do. so that's in kind relation to the to cation is that a lot of that just patients do exist. a lot of policy is beautiful constituents and praised worldwide. the biggest issue we have is

a lack of political will to actually implement all of these promises. that is so you know, constituents and from the very basic things of like get to walk into a home, getting a toilet. and so the local police took on really from all community is going into the functions of the national government, is the biggest issues we have a constitution is not enough. is it guarantee in terms of what the like the quality of life we should be accessing? we can't access that because the kinds of 22 cents we have just do not okay. alright, but the such a fix wrong. because when i read the data, specifically about the tip top, the numbers a, when in the ninety's, when it comes to access to water, electricity data. so it surprises me that you're telling me people don't have running what st. their homes. the social justice coalition has had to take that democratic alliance lead to municipality certificate down to cost to the equality court on the basis of not having it planned for him for my segments, you're going as they may have to day. how many toilets will it be?

will it be bringing to inform us sacraments? there is no plan. how is it that a whether the run municipality doesn't have a plan for up to 60 percent of its population, which doesn't have access to basic services? good question. that's us a d, a representative here. the focus on cape town is insane, but that's the passion space for being based on municipality in south africa. okay . the d as a victim of its own success. but moving onto either kristen 60 percent of informal statements all with as with the, i don't know with that claim comes from because i can tell you every single month, more than 50000 people move into the city of grapes down from the provinces. y to find opportunities to find jobs did education. and if you look at the sophistic see these by the coordinate label for survey offsets ac, you will see that specific aspect on has license over 80 percent of all new jobs in south africa. that is more then housing and if the queen combined together. so even though the city of krypton may have

a 1000000 of challenges both socially and economically, i cannot allow emotional arguments to take over without looking at the facts. okay, let's have the response of modeling in order to have this conversation. um that is very emotional and should be driven with emotion, i think sunday within. so that's a good that i've noticed within my use is that what upsets with statistics are obsessed with numbers and what they mean. but those numbers mean absolutely nothing to the people that experience those, those, those processes what's important is reality. ok. all right, i lived experience, i want to hear from the lady at the back here. we were speaking about and my nodded teeth and i think very often we forget that the minorities with him. i nodded. if we look at said that you saw other days and we look at the issue of colors and we look at the issue of algebra, q people in the country, and specifically in the split of and then i know people are speaking around, you know, the government would say the local government would say,

but you have emotional arguments, but really a jesus a policy that policy is not enforced when you're thinking about the issue of education, access to education, access to health, access to employment. that is really not to put tons, people for algebra to keep people in specifically content eligible to get people of color, 50 years info with democracy. these are wrong because yes i n c standing in the d i you spending. yeah. and they are saying that very emotional arguments, so i'm really glad that you have introduced the issue of the traditionally marginalized being almost double victims of the system. cause the corner. i want to come back to the issue of housing because it good very he to the how pressing is a need here in cape town, the tape town is kind of just it's, it's, it's about 400000 or more in terms of the housing back lock many people, particularly if, if it's so people who are waiting to get housing from this government and housing is a shed function across the us because of government, local government thing, the municipality provincial government, as well as national government. what you've seen gained enough each of the dates on

is that we cannot have an exclusive city that kate does pull. some people have money, particularly white's people. say to of cape town is busy during the day, but come at night, you will see that's who has access into this city. it's not a matter of privilege, but we're saying that there's an edge in mantra as a way of progressively realizing that deep and violent romantic history have of black people been sleeping auto visiting gentrification. i have to ask you, what do you say? i think that we need all the features of governments on big if we want to ensure that more people have access to affordable housing with it in the, in the city or it's it on. but i do want to see said so much. so this has been made in terms of folding houses even for students, which is mentioned earlier on the new development in edit a c. so in as much as they are a lot of challenges, this is a complex issue that cannot be solved overnights. so let me hear from you because

your part of the students need a sheep. tell me how housing a fixed education access in general because the, to seem to go hand in hand, right? yeah, i think you're right because the effects of students coming from another province to come to side before sure. the kind of sleep on the streets they need to ality on cape town. if the owners wisdom keep, makes it very difficult for someone to come from an immediate class, they may be or in the last last name in it because of what housing. if you go to you, can you give me an idea of how much it would cost to rent a house as a student, for example, for a month. and um, we must be talking about 82800000, which you have to pay for when the 10 months does the means of close of 10 those in 9000 to month. and this is not affordable at all. let's make example of in building pods the amc because this game called and this was the come in plus something called the cost of it when the pay $45000.00 pay a to is put it while there is the dentist costing under the 1000. you mean that's presented by the end of the of if you look with the only institution or the debt

owing billions of money for close to $55000.00, we'd be able to top up on top patel of talking about is put into it. we don't have that money if we didn't, we just moved from $1.00 because a, they were able to possibly exit 12 and the if they meet the minimum requirements to enter the institution, how are they going to survive? it does not on the take to i think that must immediately when texting is up and i think we're going to keep it the old the, the defendant of leaving is like a some fee to tell what you're trying to say. all those who don't believe that people don't feel like they belong to this place. yeah, i definitely don't belong to the technical fee to tell them to move away so that they can remain with the prophy and what's even the standard of living in generalizing wisdom teeth is twice then any adult prophy. yeah, i think that's how. yeah, i'm seeing some people noting here, do you want to say something to me? okay, so that for someone, for someone who is in just in case for us to come and vitalia is facing in cape towns, they are struggling because they come from rural. and then they come here thinking that they will find that the opportunity to get only to find out that one kid

student accommodation and then that help to sleep in a hole. there was a turning picture on facebook with student from 62 was, was sitting in a hole and sleeping in a hole in the whole. yeah, there was sitting there because they couldn't find accommodations. they had to post on facebook for people to, to needs for people to come and help them or house them so that they can stay and continue the education. ok, so sleeping in the hall, i had the o access of getting good across the so now we've addressed some of the problem. is there anybody who wants to add something before we look for solutions? i think just as we were speaking about the lived experience, like my mom foss, she died waiting for a house. so you can imagine we are 50 years of democracy. she went to 23. yeah. and i go. so i think um, as the chaise me to happen, i don't know when that's going to happen because, i mean, just looking in my, in my community within the k plus a many,

many people are sitting there waiting on the, on the house that they've been promised that the 30 plus years ago. so the change needs to definitely stop happening now. so what needs to happen because of the solutions now? i think just maybe what's more important does that way people live mid to where you live to, to mind. so quality of life that you get to enjoy or it's, it's a mines in your life span. i come from it kindly to which is the largest township. yeah. in cape town and that's, that's, i spent all of my life. i've worked in that community for the past 15 years, particularly working with people who are living and inform us that put 5, find the a solution with people live, met us. and we are seeing the best solution that could be put in place. it's one that doesn't needs real good size, but at least public lands were nothing private. then there's public lands. yeah. in the united states, which must be at least for affordable housing to accommodate the way because of the city as well as the student's office. it's okay, and finally,

the 1st thing that the national government can start doing when it comes to housing is stop getting the budgets to municipalities every single year in favor of saying earlier is to be at the protection for over 2. i did a and see politicians every single year, not. i mean they've got the budget for housing that got the budget for education provincial education, through mental hospitals. we know they gonna fix it today. okay, sounds good. say, bobby consultation really we talking about the best things you that'll be talking about today. all of those has happened, in fact, when it comes to connecting people from certain parts of the city into work oppertunity, that is one solution and immediate solution that can be solved if you really want to peach the gap between the 10 to 14 good. all right, so let's, let's, yeah, i'm going to run frontier no longer because i did start with, you know, i asked a very simple question at the beginning, tape tongue is undoubtedly the best of many things. but best for me, it doesn't match the case. how does the best it's a wonderful feats,

but it means nothing. in the general idea of uplifting every. so again, with you see, there will be another housing crisis. you will see it again at the beginning of next year. the rejection and psychological torments that comes with being rejected from that based in africa. that is something that is so deep. and then so many ideas of, of colonial i'm, you know, fighting for a future. that is, is, is something that you would told is the promise land and funding that you were told is, is that it's hit, that intense ideology really needs to come to an end. cape time needs to be real. we are not the best. i'm not from k phone, we are not at the best. and we still have so much work to do, and i think blanket statements since the test 6 and everything are beautiful and they wonderful. again, do not speak to the expert. okay,

let me conclude with savannah, who is from cape town, are you the best? let's be honest. okay, let's be honest and say we are not the best. well, that'll be a trying to be the best. the government needs to get into the own needs. analysis of the community, allow the communities voices to be heard, but not just the hud, allow us to make decisions alongside you allow us to bring. we have wonderful people on the cape that we've got to the way you cisco doctors because people with education, but even not so allow us to actually make our boyhood but allow our decisions and allow voices to actually master. yeah. um, so yes, you're not the best. i'm sorry, go down. um, but let's start with the base but not a loud lift. shy and involve communities. lack of sounds. like many of the people be part of the decision making process. i think once we start doing that, we can make some movement. oh, i love that and that's a fantastic place to rock this debate. we did ask best for who,

apparently not for everyone thought he is of the apartheid. the kind of you escape who you will and where you were born. still same to my to what hopefully based on the solutions. not so much longer. thank you all for watching by the the,

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