of the day our peers and rivals, with one daring goal to help smart nature, the more likes watching it on youtube. dw documentary on comfort zone this week. our 1st interview with a subbing is randy minutes. this is because of war began raising key questions on these governments tactics, human rights and its prisoners and us accusations of the country has been bombing garza indiscriminately. i may try to please diaspora fast minister, but he wants nothing to do with jews who join empty bold protests abroad. we ask why he's accusing sprains prime minister of anti semitism. once again, talks on a hostage release get on the way. but what are the chances of a breakthrough? the hosp whose families one the government say one less it to pico. another thing

i try to clear you welcome to come fix on it out. it seems the ability talks well again, take place this week over a possible deal on releasing is really hostages, and pausing the fighting and gaza for the chances of a breakthrough. this time to think it's all to, to do that aspect. it's hard to den, i hope we will reach an agreement. obviously, one of the main purpose of the war mode of the main goals is to bring back our hostages. 120 hostages that are still kept, even from us dungeons and daughters. and i hope that we could reach an agreement, a apparently a prime minister suddenly throw in a new list of non negotiable dom ons. just before the talk to do to start again, the times of israel said he's move was met with and got by is rarely security officials and mediators who not for the 1st time accused him of trying to sabotage

the deal. is that what he was trying to do for the last minute spoken very well? no, i think that it seemed areas to say it defied me this to is fully committed to bringing back the hostages that are kept by the monsters of some us. and we have set goals for this war and we're not going to withdrawal. the goal is to defeat from us is to and highlight is military capabilities. is political and government capabilities. and that, that is, uh, these are the goals that we've set and we're not going to move backwards from these goals in order to reach these goals. the ami himself, not the probably really still the mean them selves knows. but we need to have a control control over the feed identical. we don't the same call, we don't the fatty mentor and to allow the idea of forces. food

scales movement all across a gas, the streets, and it, these are the demands that are we cannot, uh, we cannot give up these uh elements and we can have a ceasefire. and we can release the demo east unfortunately, but we, we do it in order to bring back out people, but we won't give up the conditions to complete the mission of and now they didn't come us. it's me that didn't, and he's leaders, the army says, but you're not going to achieve your aims. chief idea of spokes bus and daniel had got reset in an interview last month on channel 13. whoever thinks we can live ne, thomas is mistaken. making how must disappear, it's simply starting signed in the eyes of the public. a mazda is an idea how much is a political party? it's rooted in the hearts of the people. how much is the muslim brotherhood? it's been around for many, many years. judging by the result so far, he's right as

a 1st and foremost come us is suffering heavily is not one 3rd of its at least manual rich commanders. and he's also going to paul, although the philadelphia quote, we don't, uh, we have the dozens of tablets that are the main dollars that from these tablets have. he had the weapons coming. expose is coming from the satellite. but into that and how much is an idea? it's not something that i care about. and just like in nazi germany where there was also an idea, it was an ideal, a logical movement. you don't care what a military spokesman says. i'm saying that we're not speaking about eliminating the ideal i'm us, we are speaking about eliminating the tail of least of come us that the exactly why is that? isn't that the the weapons factories of,

from us is needed delegate, but it is, this is what me to eliminate the idea. maybe the way we will be will be been, will be leaving the ideal come us. i don't care. as long as it's come, us as a military organization does not exist. so you talked about your aims of the war, but as far as the people are concerned, 2 sides of the as rarely public se, returning the hostages is more important than continuing the war. you are losing the face of the hostage families and the statement over the weekend, they said the people of israel boat at the time. and again, every poll that it's in favor of a full deal for the returnable the hostages. we will not allow government ministers to torpedo a deal once again. they threatened that if the government fails to accept a deal this time, millions will take to the streets. they're not impressed with the government's performance of a well 1st uh, set of groups of february's of the hostages,

and also victims of the warriors failed, doing the wall with different voices. and some of them seeing that we need to go into a deed no matter what other conditions and obviously, and we can have disagreement. and all of them is 1st and foremost do in this war. it's not going to be easy. we made a significant progress as i, as i've said one 3rd of the 2 always of some us where eliminated most of these military and factoring capabilities and besides capabilities, lounging capabilities, most of the last most of these capabilities we can't ever ceasefire. and we can release some fail least and but we cannot stop the war. and we cannot allow come us do so by while the war has gone on, mister checkley, israel's reputation has suffered greatly around the world. for now, a majority of americans, your closest allies, disapprove,

of israel's conduct to the war, 55 percent against. and so does that government, despite on your progress stations about protecting civilians, president biden has accused israel point blank of indiscriminate bombing, one of the most serious charges that can be leveled in more time. he is in a position to know what he's talking about is that you have the closest possible intelligence connections between israel and the us to 1st, i am not aware already of the western army calls for civilians to exact weight. and the as well at docs are going to be lounged at docs. what rates again, stay is come, us a it positions. and the idea is extremely careful where in regarding to civilian lives. and i think more than any of the wisdom of me at about the be all. and i've seen the polls. many polls, eh,

how about harry? said others, and most of the population in america as feasible with easily i guess we do have chatted with the younger generation and, and we would need to do a lot of work of education. and it at public diplomacy it to have a better situation in terms of public diplomacy. but as the main mission now is to win this war against a jihad, these general society organizations was threatened to commit the crimes of october 7 raping, murdering, be heading, neutral, leading bodies again and again and again. so it's, it's not that we have a choice here, and we didn't, we did not choose add to this war. it wasn't our initiated, we were attacked. and this is a very natural response to do these attacks. under what circumstances is indiscriminate bombing, not of all crime in your view. what do you mean?

the indiscriminate deb bone being this is what president biden accused to of indiscriminate bombing, the accused, but that's not the reality. the bomb things are so he doesn't know what you're talking about. okay. so how do i sound it's? it's a goes, it goes from us down. it's yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about. he's wrong. is wrong. mister circulate, you don't use 2000 palm bombs if you want to go easy on civilians deal, which is why america you from the if you of all the into if you call the civilians to evacuate. the terri deleted before and then you use heavy logs because it's some cases in dire straits, being trapped by bonds at all from us. i think it's absolutely rigid inmate. so you bought the company with the americans on that bite and himself said in may, civilians have been killed and gaza as a consequence of those bones,

the 2000 bomb bombs and other ways in which they meaning israel goes off the population centers the state department also flagged its concern, saying it was reasonable to assess that israel had, at times, used american weapons and amount of inconsistent with international law. that's quite an accusation. do you have, do you have the other opinion, how can you dial good and how much still it's while the in the condos at 20 meters, 50 me though sometimes 70 me. those been used the ground helping you do it without the heavy bombing. you can tell me how will you do it? do you feel nothing for the huge number of casualties that you've caused? 38000 that more of an a 2000 injured more than a 1000000 people displays thousands of palestinian children's dead. and which was, which was this war, me still team. now i'm asking about how you feel about before. let's say we didn't

you, this is life. this is life. we didn't you, the life or palace gets the lower the life, eat so more you feel the lives a mass opened war. we didn't choose this war. what do you want us to do it ok. you can get away with the burden. you can dial families that live raping the be great being murdering years and people in the bobby strolling in dialed ages. what, what do you expect us to do exactly? well, president biden expects you to listen to him these. but the last thing about president, by that i'm asking you as a reasonable human being, it's not, i'm not here to answer the question. i'm here to ask them to get your views, but by them those are the vacation. it's a little more on a vacation. you wouldn't even come us whatever it takes. i think we're making

a huge efforts to prevent killing of civilians and that is despite the fact that hundreds of billions of dissipated in the murder rather inc, raping. of the lesson is ladies on october 7th. so this is not about prevents, this is about the future. we must seek your villages and our people where those come us operate from liking for structures. schools. hospitals is overriding from this even population. so he makes it very, very difficult to create adult, the separation and to add a situation in which did all know civilian casualties. this is the war started war against the dial me. it's a war against a table. organizations were uses the population as human shields and you know, it,

you don't take kindly to criticism, do you? um you said you're not interested in building alliances, even with the diaspora. jews who take part in international protests against your military campaign. and god, why is not a role jew supposed to think the same way you do about this for no opposite. we can have disagreement. but if you're going without the semite, a muscle, boulders, medius, boulders, and so that's a problem. that's a problem. yeah. you called petro sanchez, the spanish prime minister in our dc. my for saying you had genuine doubts about whether israel was abiding by international law is present. and bob said, look as pressing a button. but what's going on to see might for expressing is no, no isn't no reason why a lot of them are not at all. then why is pedro? so you compare the sanches? do you compare sanchez divided? both have concerns very. both up comes out very different. you think you can get it

is hanging onto the sanchez but not about by that is that is sanchez is a communist seeings. that's what we need do those things. we need to reward the policy union with the state because of the events of october 7. sanchez came to offer fully the day of the hostage agreement to condemn easily. and to be all around on the back of the hostages in the most cynical way possible. so about sanches really i stand behind my words that some of the same like a and e responsive of is not a serious leader. and then by the never said such things, you have the criticism and that's ok. and we can have disagreement, but i would not compare bite into sanchez. it's like to compare a bite into mental and shown if you think it'd be cool. and your comments about sensors are helpful to your country insulting and ridiculing important people or is

it just it cell phones most of us will grab a wood. and when, when, when i see on december like for being full, got away old men on shore and will refuse to rick obadiah come us as a tale organizations or refuse to come them at the mass up here of october 7. we have nothing to the bank with these kinds of leaders, the sky delete those other lines would come us tables organizations be if it'd be a cd affility, you're compliant about anti semitism in the west, but the protests against your action in garza console be explain the way as anti semitism can, but i never said that any demonstration against these that is it on the said might act and the can be created. so i think of the state will be as a just like any other nation. and that's perfectly ok. but when you are blocking the entrance of the jewish students,

add to go into the cavities because they are the jewish at. that's a by some it is a. and when you are calling from the rebuild to the c, palestine will be free. meaning they will be no, we use route, meaning if mclean thing, good, gentle aside against the jewish people, then you are not the same light as so this is on by somebody's him and saying that the please. a stop on been getting guys out or something like that. and that is still videos and we can draw a line in between the 2 as this was going on you and of the leading politicians, as we see continued to claim the moral high ground. your own human rights organizations have a very different view. your public committee against torture slammed your armies, treatment of detainees that it's, steve came out of prison and the mega front and other facilities. and then it's really dr. who was station this confirmed, the collection of report sites in

a pulling treatment of detainees, much of it amounting to torture. just this week he said in april 2 prisoners have their legs amputated due to having cost injuries, which unfortunately is a routine event will compress it. he said, in breaking the law, i do care so easily. it is a vibrant democracy is as you didn't see, the human rights activist. the discussions in the supreme court uh this that they mon base is now closed because of the complains of these organizations. and this is the state of use a, if you heard any criticism coming from human rights, actually based about the conditions of which in which the hostages are being held. if you heard something from the red cross about this the, the conditions of the hostages or the, uh, killing of, uh, hostages inside ship a hospital or in the how must done is that you heard anything. uh like that coming from uh,

from augusta. how much did we hear about the conditions in the state came on another prison facilities since there was no public authorizations for people to help out until the 45th day. and the red cross wasn't allowed to visit families when not informed of whether relatives were these were forced disappearances one day that the money is being closed because of the complaint that the conditions were not uh, were not good enough. i don't think we need to give the some us still waste and it looks treatment they need to receive the minimum uh that we uh oh, by international or nose and we stand by the installation of those. and well, if there any uh, situation in which there is a problem, then we have a, a legal system to make sure we stand according to international level. you don't like human rights organizations do you,

you have in the past dismissed them as anti semitic, and anti zionist, whose purpose you claim is to undermine israel legitimacy and spilled the blood of it, soldiers and citizens. you actually said that as a conference 2 years ago, are you ready? and i really said gab of the criticism that you have to kind of construct this daughter for line cabinets. first deal to do to mine. you're saying human rights organizations. some of them have a clear political role pro bought a cd and organizations. for instance, the sha, for instance, but said in breaking the silence, the, the old, these organizations have any funded by a you were being states and the democracy that you're so proud of. it, i am proud that these organizations can operate, but some of these organizations a whole style. several of these organizations would fight full. they knew about prisoners, but they won't fight for the rights of their own people. so therefore i also have

criticism to some of them and i distinguish some of the overrides in fairway and not just against the, not just regarding to, uh, this, the rights of the, till east. and but those while doing everything to protect their, at least by 3 main silence when it, our people without being bridge, butchered, massive, accurate rate. these organizations. and i, i mentioned some of them breaking the silence, but tell them i think diesel buddies, ations, and i believe you got all that he's ations, an envelope of writing against del overwriting against the state of reason. let's, let's look at the day off to the war ends. whenever that is going to be secretary of state anthony blank and says that has to be a clear political plan, a clear humanitarian plan in order to ensure how much does not in any shape or form was you control of gaza. you're never going to agree to palestinian statehood next

to you. i you the 1st of all them. if you examine the, the situation the image rolled it in terms of the, the population. most of the population was about a senior is around 70 percent and it was established on the british model that though we palestine. uh and i'm not sure that the you can say that the palestinians doesn't have rights there. so they have rights, but we need to have in the policy, you know, we have disagreements with jordan. i think we can afford football me into the, in somalia. i see we could afford autonomy and gaza. we get a lot of phone with the full estate. we've been, i'll me and i think this is the biggest, this is of october 7. am actually the best octo by a senior who's head of state a small state in gaza. we evacuated 21 villages that we have destroyed.

i own villages. we evacuated 10000 people from their homes in order to bring peace in order to allow the other studios to govern the guys out. and you saw the outside the, you know, the, the be alone to be alone. but it came out to you. you were like prison gods, outside the prison instead of in the reason why prison. because nobody could leave without your say. so nobody could enter without it. you left the ball, the data boulder with egypt and ops date with, with whom, with whom you co operate, where did you like? yes. when did you there the modem with you. just thinking though, they had thousands of them were able to walk the news or, and to bring salaries back home. there was trade where we've got them and we received october 7. so what is the lesson? do you want us to evaluate multi digit as the last one is more from the fact that

you facilitated the funding of hamas in order to divide and conquer the palestinians. didn't you to prevent them from speaking with a single voice knowing but how much of the thought of state is it with our 2 would be as each of us wrote, you promote the training that they chose, the palestinians in guide that shows in elections from us and you chose not have them find that zone shows come on us. they chose come us. they chose according to the scott, the research institute, to so both even now to support october of 7 law 2nd, they do not regret. then my 2nd of october 7, they are responsible, human beings, they could've chosen otherwise. they could have turned the gaza into single pole. they could have invest not in manufacturing, the size and 900 kilometers of colors when use the ground. but to build

hours, hotels, factories, they don't do it, they wanted us, they didn't do it on the same land, but you want a state. and that's your 1st prime minister, david, big go to and said a 100 years ago. there is no solution to this. both of you want the same line, both of you want to have it as states, that is no solution to this the last time. did you as a prove david been go in right? but i think that what we have we're seeing is that is a, is a culture of lice, with prosperity, of no hatred towards the palestinians. you can go into every single adoption that out. i mean is that and ask the kids about the song. i was born for peace to arrive. in hebrew i need not be the shuttle she lock. you the and you can go to

any kinda doubt them in gaza. and as the kids in gaza, what have they taught about did use about this table is always lead to eliminate them. yeah. go at doc, this is the policy you need you to education and by the way, it's not just come us, but also to be at all. this is the big difference between palestinians and utilities. look to cherish life. we cherish life, they cherish day. strictly that's as body guy diona g of the muslim brotherhood. although kind of valley or pa submitted button of them will be, i mean it was saying in general aside equal ideology, racist ideology of the same like the idea all the g. that is the reality. they can choose to create in gaza state a flourishing state with an economy. it didn't do it. all right, mr. typically,

we run out of time. thanks very much for being uncomfortable. thanks for you. the

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