have devising story about this struggle forgiveness untruth, guardians of trees. julian, his sons, and the dog, secrets of war, starts to lie 27 on d, w. the this week on the 77 percent street debate, we are speaking about the impact of western aggression towards our daily lives as your guns. and we keep seeing you that call chase bank officers bank is up with guns wire. it didn't go on college and that was quite a place for speaking may look around which you know, those days. there's no to put the address when you yeah it, but you're new trying to get that to a phone speaking. go look along with the new components that would be of what to do, combine african languages and local along with this in particular. and we're having this conversation in english 1st that has and one faith, both coach at one site,

both coach hayes language. if we're having this conversation, you mingle is what we still are trying to defend. we've been having a tool that one is not supposed to cannot excite. okay? i'm okay. okay. okay. okay. okay, let's settle this chicken situation once that hello and welcome back to the submit to set up a test suite debate this week. we a back and you've done this capital of compiler. now this is a city that's steeped in traditional culture, but you wouldn't know that walking around because like many capitals across africa, it's also living in a more than time. as of today, we're asking a applicant cultures at risk of being erased in the quest for globalization and who better to answer this question for me, then uganda and z, and i want to talk with kia because when we had the conversation, i know you said something very interesting about what you think the role of culture is in society. so in your find me, what role does culture play each that plays

a role in it comes to the discipline, lead comes tomorrow as when it comes to where of behavior. so concepts it gets routed into the young people. it has to begin from home. for example, me, i'm letting you buy tribes of good enough from cassettes to from west and you're going to, my mom is from the east. so when you get to see that token, munitions, you think i've mentioned in my, my, the language, yes, i know like me, i can speak with on you for the wife and i me know, then you're going to can speak the language. but why am i able to do all this because my father told to me from day one, if you good, so i do not need it anymore and reply him, i'm fine, you're going to get a smack when your head. so if you're speaking of this at the end, because certainly does a speaking of them that you should be with young people, the issue is actually with them. okay, well, your fault before we addressed the issue in totality. i just want to understand, you know, because not everybody lives in a cultural home. so what does that look like for you is that when you are having best days, is it when these marriages, when do you really feel this culture? cochise actually felt during traditional ceremonies that is during amy called why

they're calling mccaul among the the gun and they tried, you should know marriage. so the only time i would know that a good me see exist properly is when there's a tradition tomorrow. and then these old does, would tell us to dress like an addition was conduct the auction interesting that tradition where now that means that we are only shown and we are meant to believe that culture should only be to be portrayed during traditional ceremonies, right? if you come dressed in your skin, you punch, i will actually send you over. but you cannot tell me to come for a grand putty and you expect me come just, you know, let me see. what are you trying to him because that specified ya shown us are going to say, is the traditional offering, traditional your gun done? god gave me, i'm all right. so let's move to phrase here for a little bit because you come from an extremely traditional home and what keeps talking about here is nothing new for you, right? but you have a very different interpretation of you tell us a little bit about that. my grand my that would wear how good may see every time it felt like it was the only dressed senior. and then that i had a good good my the who would do the exact same thing. my my, the way i have gone seats to almost every function she's been invited to have gone

up in a home. that's very, very traditional. you have to kneel when you agreed, you have to kneel. when you saw, you have to do such and things the way they are meant to do your clothes as opposed to be a set in height, as opposed to speak your language as opposed to it's so culture to a point that they've been gender roles attached to men and women because of culture, you know, culturally mine is like a good. we see him as he's out there. and so if i'm talking to him, mind, i'm going to be kneeling. that particular parts of the chicken that only the mind it's and as a woman and she didn't it ma'am, and also well growing up. i used to see my grandmother refused to a tech a she can because you know it's meant for the man, but i'm going to be like, i don't want to do all that. yeah. okay. oh wow. wow. well, gabrielle got real good news, right? to misinform, you know, we are coming to, to say i to that is culturally stranded because of the political question. we, i don't do guns by choice. we had your guns just by the virtual quote. you know

what you see, we a boat together noted by our choice, not because that we decided. so because we have mixed up, someone comes here and the cutting cure incompetency is a, pushed on us. and it will gone to here with what do you mean when you say cultural incompetence, these, you know, you know what to what type of the testing might as well say and you do eat i, i find it. does that mean competency? and mice will say it. yeah. and it will gunned up i see with respect to women, to different to that, to the biggest. when to wait a minute. because even in the iraq cobalt kingdom, with default, most big offices in the king don't belong to women with land title and do a study that takes to eat. for instance, like i'm to hold on, let me let, let me, let me, let me, let me, let the bundle women speak for themselves. oh for us that's as non just it's everywhere. and then just begun to move on to get married. and when did she come out to see the people? she's not even allowed to just go around talking anyhow,

that the queen of the kingdom of, of the saga. she's not even allowed to go talking to people. any holly, do you know that our queen can't even stay in the same kingdom with the king because we minutes supposed to be treated a sudden kind of way to maybe it's broken up by the probably, i mentioned the government, we do have people that. but if he's talking about, but kingdom i think is missing point. okay. all right. all right, before we make this, the debates about demand buses remain. let me come to you under because when we was speaking, you made the point that's look, what are we even defending? what's culture like re, laws and rules if, if wondering who came up with them? how far back to be. go. tell me a bit about that. up as an idea, i believe code changed the way of life. the problem is that most of the terms are not talking about codes had enough. first all you talk about it in a traditional way. we talk about 2 to a, to where, at, for example, like we may tell you that we are in the cartridge center because the couple of vets and, but codes hayes more than that. it's the 4 digits. what we say is though we talk so

when you look at africa, sense of what kind of nice. oh those, yes, back. and you look at to, you look for it, got to do what exactly are we trying to praise? of like, i mean, we're having this conversation in english for us that has and 15 of codes at 15, both college i use language. so if we are having this conversation in english, uh, if most of us are wearing this gaps, which we do not even know why they came from noon to wearing the hides and skins, what are we still trying to defend? okay. alright, let me give henry a chance, henry, by the way, he's a veteran. generous and also an educator and lots of edition. yes, i would like to support what to make, what he had tested on the language. and that's really what's that's from. i think my concerns yearly is neglected, language is did completed because of wisdom languages. but i mean, can you say that? because yeah, in a compiler majority of the people don't speak english also. he, me,

they speak again to speak to the ground. most of people you any complex because of going to, but that's what the traditional language is going to come with junk from kind of woods. uh cuz he's in room with the co enjoy the thought or the only income, but i never looked out the can't speak to the traditional indian that's along with, oh, do you mind going with total speaking a total income, but a deeper seek you. i read a job, 1st of all, you're not indicated number 2. and because of that and then newest and along with these english is now coming in, they will say your friend does come in already because coming. so they're all of a sudden ever seeing you started to become this ones, you must pass english to be see, to be seen on the bus. and so i am, yeah, the feeding, sorry for that. you don't find them in the i told his income, but as we got toward okay, alright, the window. yes. the issue is, people should emulate who the and be proud and be what the language a thought to decode to just like language is the issue of choice. no one has ever

been listed in this country for speaking the language. no one has ever been edited for addressing what? oh the, some things came because of bodies in college i. yes. you know, tradition is we've been having bodies like ways things. we've been having a tool that the woman is not supposed to eat to chicken eggs, but it does not do it any any way. it is not within our lines and do, but anybody got it is, is tested. it will mind is supposed to be treated like any other human being, but those, the more that needs smoke, i mean, yeah, just cross up. they can pin to the body, but the both us to preach the body goes both to make us make as the we are pushing women to drill, right. okay. i'm okay. okay. okay. okay. okay. love to settle this chicken situation once that. okay. because i don't want to talk about it again. yeah. let me give you a chance to respond because you raise your hand to that argument of the whole thing cause oh, to tell you. i agree that it's, it has been a general politically mean africa in uganda. as well, women,

even as he stated on your reading, his argument that they are female, he doesn't in positions, but trust me does female. he does us too much in their lives. why? because of the cost as to why that back then because of the previous codes as so kim saying that the remainder of actually been included, it has always been a general problem. go to any traditional home, a will mind is marginalized. okay? but let me let, let me, yeah, let me ask and let me ask a question that henri is, you know, when we talk about culture, it's just the general evolution of, of people. so when you say previous cultures, when does a previous culture and then begin. now the previous call, so i would say is how they used to be here in the past days. right now it's an if alicia navigator era, the season is of this i never, i never knew should happening right now. so as africa issues and stuff, the blame game of the west time causing for wasting us, we have these very resources. we have the internet, we have all these things. how many times when we opened up the we can function color on off, we can function show that is green viral. no, no one is really by the, the problem is new to the west. ton costa. we need to take the exact plus the i get

to point when to do one of the things i've had so much already is everyone is talking about one that thing about the government see as a traditional address. and then the kinds of was the old tentative for me, but when these things are not even designed by the end to begin with, they go, mr. wasn't designed by gun to and may that is it's material from. yeah, they measure you is from usually the india and even their material for the kinds ease from india. so one does force that has that's not even not traditional address . someone give it to west the the, the, the so, so you see that's why it comes in. so it's them who i reading call tone. the oh. and this is all they have told us, this is all they have told to us nothing else has been told to us. do you understand that right away from the culture and they drove us with them. so what we

know now they're telling us he's not culture, he's on them. so the people themselves are reading cause before they bla, modernization, about language, just being aware that because of what in a vision, let's talk about into marriages. which language of a child supposed to learn growing up. so these people who came before us eroded culture and now the blaming more than a session because all of no one has called to altera is go, may see them, we send them out that console. and if he's telling me today, you want us to add the cloth and look up, make it okay, that's the, that's henry henry henry, that's a good question. i just want to come to for a 2nd because there's an important point. the faith is really raising that will also adapting a what to down version was some kind of culture. uh so what do you have to say to that, you know, looking to the future, should we blame young people for not taking on what we now know as our culture? i think we were not comfortable with the p, but we have to blame the international communities which has come up to unify as the quote and get the global heated to now under equity. go mean,

how do you want to put there a he said that to kind of depends protocol on which you sort of tool. so me, i was part of the place for speaking my local, which you know, those days there's no to put the address when you yeah it, but you're new thing to get that to a phone speaking. go look along with the new compound. so that would be f. what to did combine african languages and local with this in but you can ok that started. let me hear from catherine and then i'd like to get some thoughts from the back please. i would like to set that to 1966 present. milton? no, but to abolish the kingdoms. so that was the beginning of the end as receipts. so when uh the kingdoms, uh balise the well later reinstated by it was 70 and 1993. so you can see they've got the yes before not but to think i do show that kingdom is close. the don't know is your, can you, your princess, you're just there. right. and then when it comes from some kingdoms, with no tree established, for example, that include kingdom where i come from. so i don't know where that king is. i don't know as a princess, i know of

a princess somewhere. i don't know where she was most it. oh think it cannot come. that's why you educated to not know about your culture. so for example, what i love now is what i find on the funding, the village. but that is not necessarily what they practiced in the 1900, right? so it has been changed and seems like you're in begun to always to has your culture and your kingdom and your t. i have none. right. okay. uh, let me, let me, let me ask rape any important question here, which is that, yes, what is the importance of these simple things of, of oh, you guys have like, when each of the so what is the importance of all of these symbols in culture because like you're saying, you know, the kingdom does it have a place and more than just society? it does mean that you can, has a king, a king as the older rule. so it does have a pleasant modern society. but it doesn't have to be to redid to change some of the

practices. you understand. we're not saying with culture should go away. we just think they should adapt to the modernization. i'm are, we are trying to adapt, they should not judge the ones who are adapting you understand. so now when i show up for apache in my heist, leave dress and dates which additional, but it shouldn't be a crime that i'm not wearing a good missy. you understand, we're just saying they do have a blessed in the modern society so that they should be ready to adapt. ok for that . so look at what level do we adapt to because it sounds to me like we want to do all the things that are easy, the closing the ceremonies around marriage and naming children. what about politics? what about medicine? yeah, somebody p a. yes. so it is supposed to be a very good me me, according to me, i think like modernization to a good the best thing that does not affect go to really much because you can do your god. yeah. as long as you're doing, you can be with your phone, you can do anything, which is more than as long as preserving your call. just get your traditional

thoughts. you can just and your traditional way as you're using the internet as you own what's up you're doing. and then one down thing you want to do. you can, you can do anything like anything given the local dreams, the risk or the what. but it is, even though we, we are both of these, it's of the guns why we're doing that on college. because when you go to school festival, so wanted to speak english throughout. when you speak to a local language is up, but didn't like the want to put an issue. so you'll be, we've all these see how you'd be like, and then there's this and then there's this thing up. it does. when you speak up with guns, you speak, you look along with like i'm, i'm actually, i'm speaking how to live in someone's they've just been a real like no me. when i speak, i totally about them to tell me every time i speak i truly among but does maybe like so the thing is like bullying by follow up with guns, you saw it. i'll fix that along with, but then maybe you will get a new,

a traditional food. i'm on your follow up. it sounds. maybe you're getting greens. they wanted to get chicken accepted. they wanted to get tips with. they didn't know before. when you bring your grins up, are gonna be like, what your vet, my step smoking, you, you see itself, it comes to a contributing to the things you can do. but then those are the same thing. so yeah, oh, okay. i like that. all right, so you don't have to to stay traditional but also stay more than the what's on the views of the back the yeah, let's come here. so coach wiley the days before. oh, mine was expected to go back home quote, for the husband to go the trip. but this days there is a 6 to walk home and as to which walk that's been as to where to walk. so they come booklet and have just go buy food. then we also talk about the family, say teen parents these days, they grow up tokens that kids in english are the kids or somebody of that. yeah. and the one to maybe one which i really just the cognitive and couldn't get to that, you know, does the grandparents and that is a really a big probably okay. so for you,

it's about language. it's about social structures and sort of the rules in that society. i liked that there was some other point here. i think we're speaking about the impact of what's the issue towards our daily lives as your guidance. and we want to want to look for the nice by adding equity by adding a, what is this part of our culture that is westernized, it shouldn't. why did he dropped from from the western loads. we are looking at the implication to western life towards our very own live though we leave here in oregon to i think we're losing the contents of this topic. okay. alright. alright, let me, let me, let me, let me come back to give you for a 2nd, but before i do right, i think it's fair to say that so far what we are agreeing on is that the call to sort of seeps into one another, right? we adopt and we let go of some and we adults in blackboard some right. and so now i wanted to talk about it in practical terms. here you are really defending tradition

and culture. what are some of the things well for you, if they did not exist a totally new life? it just wouldn't be the same culturally. is to a major role to the elders, to make sure the children get to know the identity as the various tribes like may be my father, the double jeopardy schmiel i need. so should i, the parents teach that you've been there languages as well as involved as they learn to english from school. so from home you have, there will teach them that language now coming to the kind of food we as africans need to appreciate all food as us. so now if you go around the streets of comp i left and go to annual turn on us for my like long which is under then food, then you will. how do you find the trait? and yet we keep seeing you at cochise dang culture. thank the very same person cooking these more done foods and doesn't even take the initiative to, to cook this local food is to complain about the erosion of culture by which time on who's not even in your heart. okay. but let me ask you, is it fair to expect? i don't know how long it takes to cook my la, but some of my traditional foods, you need hours over the stove. does that make sense with the kinds of schedules

that we have as time moved zone and as we evolve and peak one year, things, some of these things you want to have going to it should be let go cause i mean, why are we doing so have to keep some of these things. yeah. like we, it's important to keep some things, but it's important when those things are relevant. alright, but my question is if we allow so many things to die out and sort of full by the wayside, what's going to support rates us from europeans from asians, from americans? africa was set up to forget to go to. i don't know if they intended it, but the way off are kind of set up when most african countries usually have that one city, which is usually more developed. and yeah, that is, that people come in and start talking to get at the moment you started mixing. it's so hard to maintain that code. so when you, you'll mixed up. so it's always up to everyone. we use that tool to actually maintain codes that i told him no one does that. okay,

so how do we maintain cultural? i'll come to you, but how do we maintain culture in a way that doesn't feel or press the faith in a way that feels like you have a choice? if you want to wear your official clothes, if you want to wear whatever it is or it's whatever it is that you want to be deducted by your family, by the way, what would happen if you told your family you're no longer wants to follow the customs and i wouldn't want to know what would happen. i really wouldn't want to know, cuz that would mean you feel getting way. why are your deserts and you know, people just want to be like the white people which is going to is not practicing the culture's. does it mean i'm not a super cool anyways, but how do we maintain code so we can constantly remind the children that ok, traditionally this is how we cook the smell. the smell is prepared like these traditionally and all that. but i don't have to cook, they send me every day for me to because the in the home like this, some homes, where am i talking like my home. my took a must be cooked. i took it when you played it comes with

a stick of things in your hands, and after you've failed, you've failed. you have to squeeze it. you're squeezing hot banana leaves. and yet i could just cook rice and supplies then. so let's make it. we can mention culture a no way that we have to understand that you are teaching the child, but you do not have to force the child to do what you're teaching them every day. it becomes a punishment. we will now set to look at the culture as a punishment instead of looking at it in its beauty. yeah. some verses of the back here. the more than one of these sit team that's it's, it works for you quick. if i'm sick, i'll go to the hospital, they're giving me types, but we bucks these make great new. we'll just go to the bush, pick something that would work for you. there's no, i'm going to pick up and go to the motion, pick pets, because they have to go to the hospital and do that. sometimes we even feel like now going back to the cause me. i'd have to stay and come by next couple days. so good, have everything, go, go to the, send them out, get everything there for like a need. but then when you tell me, go back to the village reach. britney connie is going to told me to go to

a good thing. we. okay. so this is interesting. so in order for culture to exist, there has to be hardship too much more than convenience is, is not good for culture cream to kind to all right. as we conclude, can you please move this way a little bit. as we conclude, i want to ask a simple question, how do we make sure that we're not losing the best possible culture to west and that they shall not to globalize you? so let me start with you, henry. i think we need to sort of, you, uh, what curriculum are, what curriculum not necessarily for the key and uganda, but focusing on africa as a coordinate. the black people be productive. that's a bit though a block of people we need do credit to them. that raises assess themes, the black people. it's very unfortunate because i don't want to know for me to cut you in the way to which country in europe and countries are river drifted. i've got a new college eyes. i don't know whether it's the one twice ever seen yours. then that is, even though is by using for election, you know, for your or your family best. you know, so you monitors for example,

you have the best then with us out there isn't a humanities. so my concern is, well, really go ever seemed to, there was done, whereas if we don't, we don't know what the exist, i've tried it. so i, we need a new set of bus that promotes our own indigenous culture in digging us. annoyed, indeed us exist as and above. oh, the block of people. all right, so kia, how do we retain our african identity and culture even as we participate in the global? well, the best way to do this is, let's accept that this. a lot of change happening as africans gets something that you identify ourselves with. what you believe as we know that is that the way we eat the way we dress and have each moving forward. and this comes from the roots of our parents right at home, mister blooming, there were some cost called chaise beauty. for like ladies and gentlemen, how would you, through somebody told you causes a do you know, if one's cautious between you to accept as an mc i was because they'll be being busted as if we want to see it all right. face,

i think maintaining culture sets with you the person is supposed to each and every one of us. we'll have coaches have seen growing up. and if we want to maintain these causes is we carry them on you and your family should frontier. so you'll culture the way you want to, but as you're purchasing your culture, you should also remember that the wallet is going more desperate. and finally, under the beginning, we did say that you said, you know, what is it to preserve, having had everything that's been said, have you changed your mind to let when we say that a frequent coach is being influenced, we do not have to forget that african coach, he's also influenced people elsewhere like 2 days people are listening to other to about for beads. chris brown, is there anything god forbid, some music and not because they are listening to what africa is doing, and they're trying to do it. so we are, as we are being influenced us the influence thing, someone. all right, thank you very much. well, we did ask if the applicant culture is being erased or being threatened by westernization. and the answer today is of culture is a process of doing

a taking. but what i did here as well is that what time you like me to send in another way. he who leave the culture is a slave. thank you for watching. the, the, the,

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