to sell it out of their reporting from identity. and that's it for the moment. uh you would find more updates on our website that's at the dublin dot com and uh, social media channels. i'm going to expand a g invalid and thanks so much for joining us. we're back again in about 45 minutes . we'll see you then to by the growing us interagency as a palestinian and driven on we don't expect much living with a bare minimum without civil rights and with no prospect. this is not a good environment. yeah, no, no, my children, and favorite shadow stats oldest. good. on the w the washington dc. january 6,

2021. a frenzied mob. march is on the us capitol. many military veterans were among them. i think it's actually our brig. c veterans involved in research and i know for a lot of them their hearts are in some ways in the right place. we just don't live in the same world of truth. many had served overseas at risk, their lives for their country. now they were prepared to use violence to prevent joe biden from becoming president. all of us men, women, people who have served are not old people. children, everyone becomes more violent and the aftermath of warfare. with the attack on the capital, a major turning point of american history. anybody who says that this can happen in a worst way, either they're ignorant or they're part of the problem. how could something like this happened in the birthplace of modern democracy? i've often asked myself, how did i end up on one side of the door and my fellow veterans who raised their

same right hand and took the same oath that i took part of the end up in the other side that the, when i left the military i was a hardcore republican, that was a libertarian. like a lot of people in the military. but i was looking at like, i can't even calm documentaries, but these youtube videos like movies like case you had better wake up and understand that there are people who are guiding your life and you don't even know what none of those studies street is recognized. it's filled

with anti semitic troops in the theme of the movie without explicitly saying this stuff. jewish people are out there controlling the banks and the banks, the reasons why was going towards so therefore the jews are responsible for my friends. i right, that's the connection that it's trying to make. the ultimate goal is to get everybody in this role with a dock by the agent and have all money on those chips and everything on those chips . and if anybody wants to protest what we do a, violate what we want, which is the end of the chip. i just absorb this propaganda and spell for it fell into it. and all of these concepts started to fit together in phoebus narrative. this, this idea that i had felt but pretty put words to for so long that i was the victim, not just of circumstance, but of some sort of various groups of powerful individuals who were manipulating all of us. that everyone was just acting as puppets. you know what people now called the deep state, but we were awake and it was our job to wait. everybody else

of the the l. so there is a lot there. they flashed photos of the pyramid on our dollar bills. they showed a picture of george soros. they talked about the world bank everythings incorporated. these are all things that i didn't understand when i was watching my

propaganda videos back in 2007, 2008. but man, i mean it's like they just took notes off of the that had be all confused and crazy back then. these groups have always operated on the playbook of using the prevailing social contacts to mobilize, people, recruit, and radicalize. the 20s klan was anti black and anti jewish, but it was also anti mexican near the border, anti labor in the pacific northwest anti immigrant in the northeast. where there were a lot of immigrants, what it did was figure out what the prevailing social tensions were and a given community, and use those to recruit people for its own purposes. returning vietnam war veterans felt betrayed by society, the government and the media. their disenchantment and sense of being misunderstood, made them easy, pray for a new wave of violent extremism. one driven by conspiracy theories who believed an

enemy was aiming to eradicate all of society. from within. the cubans are coming in by the thousands. the mexicans are coming in by the millions that that heightens are coming in from the heidi wherever the little country is coming in by the hundreds of thousands white people have had enough. they can no longer even afford to buy a proper housing for themselves. and our government would have a span, thousands and thousands of millions of dollars on non wines they've had. and one of the key figures and the white power movement after the vietnam war, and one of the architects of it's moved to sell sale terrorism to using the early an internet and to a number of other major changes that fueled its rise. a is a veteran named lewis beam. the only thing that's in florida, so that the back of the why one on the that, that is, well, you commit yourself to the battle to make it so lose beam serve to tours as a helicopter gunner in the vietnam war,

he was awarded several metals for valor after he returned in 1968, he brought his military experience to the ku klux klan quickly rising through with ranks the $100.00 to use the one of the reasons that beam rose so quickly and these organizations is that he told the story about warfare and trauma that a lot of other people were mobilized by, including people who didn't serve past all young man. years old. carriers

passed through his argument was about the wrongness of war, the horror of seeing casualties in the field, the horror of losing your fellow soldiers. but his pivot was, this is why we should come back to the united states and bring that violets home to everybody who left us there. our mission is a reconnaissance patrol. we have the information as the enemy is in the area. oh, the

beams. rhetoric does militarism attracted the attention of the fbi i. in 1983, he's settled in hayden lake, idaho. haven for white supremacists, he joined forces of the area nations and began to command a self style terrorist movement of white power. after this, the idea was that one or a few white power activists could work together towards a commonly held set of goals and targets. but without prosecutable ties between them and without direct tie as to movement leadership. which sales spread all over the us and canada. the extremist next step was to start communicating with each other, be wanted them to be able to exchange ideas and fortune networks. so they

created a social network called liberty 9 and one of the 1st postings and titles online for god and country. and then louis pm travels around the country, teaching people how to go online. these message boards included assassination list, an ideological content, and who you should hate and why, but they also included social network content like personal. and this was in 198485 way before most people think about far right online activism decades before facebook can beat that. the stake, thanks to this early internet bulletin board clan groups, skinheads, neo nazis and other extremist organizations banded together across the us. they carried out robberies, bombings, and murders. in 1985,

the department of justice decided that the network was a threat to national security. 2 years later, louise beam was charged with the dishes conspiracy. but the trial ended in a farce with beam and his co defendants acquitted of all charges. the following that humiliation the justice department halted all investigations into the white power movement as a domestic terrorist threat. we don't have any domestic terrorism legislation. we don't have domestic terrorism was what example the number one tool, if the agents and prosecutors used to disrupt a terrorist attacks in the united states as material support. the material support is basically a charge to levy on individuals who are helping tourists organization or the final organization. unfortunately, we don't have that when it comes to domestic terrorist organizations. the problem with this situation is when you don't have domestic terrorism was you need an act

to happen. you need a hot body in order to start that investigation. and usually you can charge that individual with hated crime or with other charges, but you cannot charge them with terrorism. you can not go after the whole network. only about a 3rd of the building has been blown away. devastating the massive bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown oklahoma city. shattering that building, killing children, killing federal employees, military man and civilians. even timothy mcveigh, he blew up a hole in federal building and prosecutors could not charge him or his associates with terrorism. the bombing of oklahoma city and 1995 was the largest deliberate mass casualty event on american soil between pearl harbor and $911.00. but most people still don't understand what that event was and what it meant. the

indicted charges that timothy mcveigh and terry nichols, former army buddies with a grudge against the government plan. the bombing selected mcveigh and nichols met each other through their service. they trained together at fort riley, kansas, before mcveigh deployed to the gulf, as part of the big red one and century unit interact. there he seems to have experience on the amount of traumatic combat before their return home. after washing out of special forces, he was really angry and we see at that moment his deepening involvement in radical white power activity mcvey used his military training to carry out the bombing in oklahoma city. in a letter to a friend who cited his military oath as justification for the attack. i have sworn to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. and i will, blood will flow in the streets. good versus evil. freeman versus socialist want to

be slaves, prey, it is not your blood to my friend. the other key component here was his use of the turner diaries. timothy mcveigh often referred to the turner diaries, dystopian novelty, offered a description of how one could over throw the us government. the fictional revolutionaries 1st blow up a federal building, then they eliminate their political enemies, including all jewish black and latino people. the turner diaries became enormously important to this movement, not because it's a good book, but because it provides the imagine a to the answer to a really important question. which is how can a tiny group of people, a small fringe movement do what they're setting out to do in this period, which is to overthrow the most militarized super state and world history. in 1997 mcvay was sentenced to death for the murder of 168 people. and for blowing up a federal building, there was no charge of domestic terrorism. it was assumed that he and terry nichols

had acted alone. just imagine as timothy mcveigh is me and want to know how much we will look at the terrorism, it's wrapped in a very different lens. first of all we will look at it as a terrorist. that's right, we we go after mcvey, we would go after all the people who were helping him on were assisting him. we will keep the investigation going in order to get the whole network. when you are very limited with the tools you are using, these groups will take benefits from these are not long. well, if these are people who are united by ideology, by social ties, by selection of targets, these are all part of the same movement. and this is really what we're seeing, continuing into our present day moment. tonight, the plot to kidnap a governor foiled by the fbi i. in october 2020 less than a month before the presidential election. 14 men were arrested over a plot to kidnap michigan governor richard whitmore. after discussing plans to

storm the state capital and take hostages, the men settled on targeting the governor individually. while on vacation, the among the plotters were members of the little varying watchman, paramilitary group, partly founded by veterans, prosecutors containing that they wanted to kidnap her to try to ignite another american civil war before the 2020 election in hopes of disrupting it. and perhaps keeping joe biden from becoming president. the conspirators faced various charges. the majority were convicted and sentenced to prison terms of up to 20 years. the groups leader, adam fox telling the informant he was inspired by oklahoma city bombing terrorist timothy mcveigh telling the informant if we can have our world, they can have theirs burning it down as low as being said.

the goals of this insurgency in michigan were to take over the state house and then to kidnap and execute the governor. the goal of the insurgency in january states was to overturn the results of the democratic election. so if we see this as part of a movement, it's to stop the american and people being able to choose their own leaders. insurgency is all about seizing control of the government, not through winning an election, not through democratic processes, not through persuasion, but through violence. it's a, it's a form of war. if you look at january 6th, what we're looking at is really the collision of 3 different streams of activity. one is the organized quite power movement that is coming off of decades, if not generations of organizing arm and a training and ideological content. they want to know what the orange as they have, or probably another is q and on which is newer, more radical works very fast. where we go one, we go. and the final one,

the biggest one, is simply the trunk base. the base it down to the job and we're going to do our bruise, senators and congressmen and women. and we're probably not going to be during so much for some of them because you'll never take back to our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. the, the groups that storm capital on january 6th were not able to undo the election. but that doesn't mean their actions had no effect. there's footage of proud ways

directing journalist to read the turner diaries through the turner diaries on january 6th, the turner diaries with stress sharing a lot of sort of the imaginative, performative action of that day. the news hung outside the capital refers to events in the turner diaries called the day of the rope, which is the hanging of race traders which include politicians in significantly, there is a strength on the capital that is not supposed to be a mass casualty attack. in the turner diaries it's a mortar attack, it's meant to be simply the selected killing of a few corrupt legislators in order to show other white people that extremist can strike at the heart of american power. c c

they don't take the take everything my for my friends, and by that measure, i think that they succeeded on january 6th was a huge success for them. january 6, in spite of so many people not only here in the united states, but even in europe, that violence is a way to change. the government is the way to change that establishments in the western world that they consider corrupt. they considered evil. they considered, these governments are nothing but tools to the jews or to whatever conspiracy they believe. the rich people use the same side the

the you look at january 6, i think the people that were there that participate in number one, they wanted it to serve as a wake up call to those people who are in power and, and the facts of the matter is every single person that was, it was there that day is a patriot of this nation. being a patriot, being a person that loves their country, especially, you know, being a military veteran you've taken out to the constitution. and for a lot of those people that were there that day, they felt that 3rd constitution was being shredded up. our democracy was being shred it right in front of our i i think it's actually hard to see veterans involved in these things. and i know for a lot of them, their hearts are in some ways in the right place. we just don't live in the same world of truth anymore.

they were americans. yeah. they were patriots. they only broke laws because the d. c. police didn't do their job. okay. okay. that's it. people die because they didn't do their job. that they broke into the capital because the police didn't do their job and breaking anything they went on the not only did they let them in. it's paid for by tax dollars is the property this is the full danger of the big election line. right. it's, this is a conspiracy theory and says, the very heart of american political life, the very heart of a democracy has been destroyed and taken from us. which leaves us what recourse do i believe the election was stolen? absolutely, without in the way in hell, joe biden was like 81000000 votes for joe biden. i don't think so. we're in a situation right now where, you know, we can't trust our elections anymore. we know that. so what really is scary is,

is that what will the people do? what would the average american do when they finally wake up to the reality of all this? and the answer to that is, we don't know. we have no idea what the american people will do. this no longer is a concept, it's not a public. and we are going to fight to bring a constitutional republic back again. we've had finals domestic extremist organizations for a long time, but i think what makes this moment particularly dangerous. there are a couple of things. first one is the fact that it's able to ride on a wave of conspiracy. thinking in general, distrust that's happening because of social media technology is happening because of the way we restructured our society on the internet. that gives them the sheer numbers of people that they could never dream of a bringing to bear on their own. everybody's cap with a shorter. well, we need participation. 247. we need you to be a force multiplier is a soldier. and as a, as a uh, as a general, as a retired general,

we have an army of digital soldiers. you can do command control over social media and you're fighting against evil and you're on the side of god and you're on the side of united states and your oath. it's a very attractive proposition. the sad part is you're using all those skills and that goodness and that purity of heart, that you think is actually absolute, unadulterated both. the 2nd major difference was you have political cut off from the very top. the only way we're going to lose this selection is there. is there a january 6th combination of 2 months of a propagation of a big law. and if conspiracy theories by the president of the united states to serve as a house, republicans go along with trump and vote to overturn the electors. on the evening of january 6th, we are united states senator and members of the house of representatives of death to the accounting of the electoral votes of the state of pennsylvania that a speaker i rise to support the object transfer rise to support the objections

speaker arrives to support the object, chatham chair, i vigorously support the subjection and i asked him about that has always been the thoughts, be ceremonial and ministerial, where you accept the electoral college results, which were no serious way contested. i mean, that's almost as astounding is what i happened to charge of the insurrection. how can so many people believe that it was unfair? it was because the president said it was unfair. their senator said, it was unfair. their member of congress said it was unfair. a full audit is absolutely necessary, we should get an junction if necessary. and normally those are people that the electric can half feet. then i rise for myself and 60 of my colleagues to object, to the counting of the electoral ballast from arizona. is the objection in writing and signed by a side or is it is and the republican party didn't stop there in denver room and lost his

party's nomination over the weekend. the 1st term congressman was ousted by former liberty university employee. bob good. getting rid of the republican party was really interesting. i believe i was the 1st one that was affected by q conspiracy theories. when i didn't even know it, i conducted the same sex wedding and summer of 20. 192 guys had worked for me or volunteered and then i started here in these weird things. i'm funded by george soros. i'm a secret jew. i'm a secret down. i'm trying to change of sexual orientation of children. i'm a tool the any christ. and i'm hearing all this, i'm like, this is sounds like new world order, crazy stuff, you know, the old anti semitic troops by 2 decades of intelligence were fighting and counterterrorism experience coupled with serving and the 116 congress is why i will not allow conspiracy pillars to hijack our ability to conduct reasonable policy discussions for the betterment of all americans. that was pretty much drummed out and censured for following the law and trying to save this country and not. i don't

think i'm over standing that one of our 2 parties is committed to it or well, even whitewashing of history. you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january the 6th. you'd actually think that was a normal tourist visit, is committed to propagate, or at least not quarreling with a big lie. the big lie, a big light is on a boat. that's what it is committed to, not quarreling bucks with conspiracy theories, is committed to purging those republicans at the state local level. and at the national level, we want to fight back against allies and the conspiracy theories. that's a big deal. more is literally a continuation of politics by other means or military forces or the part of our society that the carries out that piece. then we come home. and the question is, do we have a political system that functions? where are we at a point or were our own politics, the politics inside our own communities, the politics inside our own country can only be continued through other means. and

we got to be very careful because of huge think you have support from the highest levels of government. why aren't you fighting for your country? aren't you already sort of sworn in to do this? the issue is that the people that we are a den affine is extreme, is they're identifying as patriots or freedom fighters. and that is, that almost sounds like i'm talking about terrorism right now. the one of the organizations that i'm particularly interested in as the patriot from the, they're producing what they refer to as propaganda. they're studying books on fascism because they believe democracy is failed and their vision for the future is a dominant white race that captured the republican party and has

defeated their political opponents by violence, by exclusion. these guys showed up in philadelphia on the 4th of july, 2021 and assaulted a bunch of people. the nothing came because local cops didn't with our deal. so there's a fascist game who's operating all around the country. police in idaho say they prevented a possible domestic terror attack over the weekend. 31 man were arrested all dressed alike, allegedly, on their way to recap it at a pride event in the city of quarterly. quarterly is located right next door to hayden lake, idaho. were lewis beam was active, it was the focus of an operation by the patriot front. the same hatred and intolerance that sought denver regal min targeted for performing a gay marriage ceremony. also drove the patriot front to attack the l g

b t community the while the proud boys, the old keepers, the 3 percenters are threat. the ones that i'm really afraid of are the gems, the ones, the service members who have served during your time of relative peace. these young people who join to fight never got a chance to fight into starting and conservative echo chambers online has been brought into the proud voice of fascist pipeline. so gab is and alternative social media platform that was created to be a safe space for neo nazis. one of the groups on here is the national just this party. this is the neo nazi party within the united states, whose goal is to use protests to radicalize, trump supporters into explicit white supremacy. they're developing

new and original propaganda that painting them in the light of achieving the power, the ability to shape politics and engage in violence in a way that they thought they were going to get from the military. so what they're trying to do is make white nationalism look like it's testosterone filled way to be a man. i believe that these young veterans were getting out and joining things like patriot front national, a socialist club and the word nazi is national socialist. i think that the republican party is, is no more than capable of adopting that 90 ideology in a way that that's on file. well, even to me, you know, i, i never saw us where we are today. i think another 4 years things could be far worse. the worst case scenario is probably worse than most of us. want to imagine. i could see a civil war because this is the same movement we've been dealing with this whole time. it's reasonable to assume that what we can see is only about half of the

activity that there is an underground that is mounting violent action training in camps trying to accumulate weapons and preparing for violence. when you're talking about civil war or specific sectors of the country that could go kinetic just go to these areas where you see the 1st big fall of protests when republicans take back the house. so that there was anybody out there for me at the book of black, large matters, the 1st payment of my chest. okay. or if republicans think that one of the state elections restore the project where your legislators, you're going to do something you're going to have to take my life. like there's no way of dial a seal. there's no way all of this can happen. who is the say native find legislation came down where we last are 2nd amendment tomorrow that that would start a civil war. to be honest with you, i don't know of any veteran that once was, but at the very same time, when you look back to what our founding fathers warranted for this country, we are so far away from that today. it's just something they're ready for and their

gun safe is full. if you're prepared, you're prepared, and if you're not, you're not that you're armed, then you're somewhat prepared to defend your family and yourselves. if you're not armed your dog, there's limited civil war. if we don't fix our elections and actually make them both fight again, we don't have 2020. there is no 2024. the . there are people in this movement who believe that the nation cannot be saved as it is and must be overthrown in order to make way for a white f no state. and then there are probably people in this movement who think a high, there's an opening here to run for office and mount a sort as qu, from inside in order to change the very nature of the nation. not worry about scenarios in which, you know, 2020, for one party controls congress. the other party was the presidential election. congress refused to certify the election. the republican party has

a pretty systematic plan to have state legislatures impose themselves much more directly into the certification of electors to perhaps also suppress some democratic votes along the way. so i do think the chances of a real attempt to overturn a legitimate election results are not nothing and they're not tidy. and then somebody is president or people that are elected that aren't due or aren't there an illegal way. and then that's when the descent happens, and that's the end of our country and our legal norms. and that scares the hell out of me. this is how countries full part part of my experience as a veteran and somebody's work is ref g, as in the human rights work, i know what happens when the center cannot hold in a society falls apart. i know what happens when your ethnic identity or you're in group out group membership becomes a life and death issue. and when neighbors start telling each other, i've seen it and whatever your twitter bravado about the next civil war is. nobody wants to see that. and that is the read to help. the very worst case scenario is

that we slide to authoritarian is that we are not able to climb out of this. we have seen this happen over and over and over again in other countries. we have seen them fight back against the 1st ways and not be ready for the 2nd and not be ready for the 3rd. this is a, this is going to take a long time and it's going to take everything we have to make sure that our democracy is still standing at the end of it. i hope that people are scared because being scared, motivates people. and i, i want you to be scared by what's true. i want you to look at the evidence to think critically and do everything within your power and within the confines of, of the law to make sure that we don't live in that to still be in the future. that could just be a few years away. with every young american did national service for a year, maybe in uniform, but not necessarily what if it didn't health care conservation education?

how would they feel about each other? at the end of that experience, we know you're almost always feel different. more type of you break down many of your preconceived prejudices against other groups. trust starts to build in 2013. i 1st applied to my local community college, the having had my military experience turn out so negative, i'll be honest. my confidence was destroyed and i was like terrified of registering for classes because i was terrified of failure. and i went over the course of my 1st semester at nassau community college. feeling a lot of bad stereotypes about veterans, you know, coming in, having my headphones on, having my hoodie over my head and kind of just like sitting down. not talking, anybody not engaging. and a group of student veterans that my community college identified that recognize that it was a problem and helped break me. if i show i went from being

a guy who doesn't talk to anybody and sits in the corner to being elected to represent all of the students that aren't so much. it's not something that happened overnight, but it set me on the past towards recovery. rather than feel like the future was pre determined by these powerful groups, and there was nothing that i could do to fight against. i started to accept the idea of maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. and because most of my interactions with the outside world in person, person to person, i wasn't as easily able to seek out an echo chamber that didn't challenge my opinions. that only reinforced by believes that diversity of opinion is what kept me from joining us keepers when i 1st spring on that helped to break the out of it . a lot of everyone's getting out. they don't have that opportunity. we're in a different world. in this new world, our troops have to be trained to not only defend themselves against

a chinese sniper or a russian tech, but against enemy, this information campaigns on the internet. it's also true that this information is not just coming from china and russia. we know how to combat a malicious misinformation. we did a pretty good job teaching soldiers and citizens how to not fall for nazi propaganda. we did a pretty good job teaching soldiers and citizens how to not fall for communist propaganda all through the cold war. the problem with that of course, is that you know, opposite sure. the nazis was a goal shared by both political parties in america, opposition to the soviet union was a goal shared by most across the political spectrum in america. right now, this conflict, you know, it's far too partisan, it's far to devices and it's far too politicized. know how to do this, but it takes that unity and this is a layer cake of problems. this is something that does not just exist at say, the policy level. this is about how journalists talk about the movement. how are

laws, prosecute the movement, how our national leaders direct to their time and attention. we know that there is a lot of the little team will to establish or to create a domestic terrorism wall. yet. i think there was a big possibility that we can designate visa groups as international terrorist organizations. so what that means, we can take all the rules, the laws, the authorities, they have to be on another line, forestman intelligence agencies, have to go after them the same way. we go after international cherish organizations who's pay the price, who's pay the price for being conspiratorial, irresponsible, demagogic attributes, with the exception of a few true believers. so we're just taking in and foolishly believed all this stuff . most of them are going about going on doing fine. voters need to decide whether

they are comfortable with those who insight violence representing them and movements like this. and when the entire population decides that they are unacceptable, we haven't seen that yet. the. so the ideal solution is the radicalization, but that's not something i'm interested in. i'm interested in justice and i'm interested in imposing costs. people are trying hurt america and americans. all i think about all day is finding bad guys and hoping that they end up in jail documenting any potentially criminal behavior, documenting things that if they're not illegal society would frown upon. and ultimately it's to put a cost behind being in and search it within the united states, the nazi out there. but it doesn't mean we're going to win,

and that's what i want to tell people. this good doesn't always try it. but i do believe the always means something, and i know that i'm going directly against people who think that they also are honoring their own in the same way. and that's why i think this makes this dangerous. what's enabling that schism to happen is the law which world of truth you live in. it's not about commitments the country that shared. so the only way back to get back together the only the only possibility of reconciliation is a conversation that can occur in the, you know, environment of truth. we can either reconcile we with each other as a country or we can have a conflict. where do i want america to go? not here, not where we're at. this path run kill us. it will kill this country to kill freedom. it'll kill our commodity. it'll kill our compassion and our human decency for each other. what i like to see is for the people on all sides, all come together and agree on going by the truth only if we can do that,

then this nation could be salvage. do i see that happening? no, i don't. i can hope that the

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