[000:00:00;00] international platforms, copper ones, earlier in the times of the soviet union there or soviet ukraine, we also had speeches there or , publications that were made for abroad and influenced abroad, and it is clear that at that time, in the soviet union, and why the verkhovna rada ukraine does not initiate the creation of such platforms in order to outplay russia on the international stage and create its own media field, including presenting truthful information through its platforms, without using the tai magazine there, because it is not clear that then the journalists of the magazine write, or others, there are british or german publications, well, i think that it is necessary to use all international countries, about the crimes of aggressors and so on, and so on, this is the first position, secondly, i would not even

talk so much about the verkhovna rada and proputativ said how much i emphasize once again: in my opinion, it is possible and necessary to support more ukrainian information products , but about the defense of the country, about combat work, about volunteers, about the wounded, about humanitarian needs, about the use of humanitarian aid, about old hospitals and so on, and so on, that is, about the real situation, but for some reason we think that our intrigues are interesting to someone, but i responsibly declare to you , no one is interested in how to do it, well , i am not only involved and thank you for such opportunities, when you provide, but i work even with arab tv channels, it would seem that where i am, where are the arab tv channels, as in america i worked, in finland, with american, british and other countries until now i work, but sergey, including at night and on arabic tv channels, yes there is arabic language, yes there is not about everyone who can do it, thank you, mr. valentin, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine, friends, we are conducting a survey, we

are asking you about this. whether fsb agents work in the ukrainian government. on youtube, 97% of our tv viewers said: yes, what our phone poll results say, we 'll see, 95%, we'll continue our program in 15 minutes straight. british politics, why the former prime minister returns to the government. and no, it's not boris johnson and cameron, he became the foreign minister business, such an unexpected move. we talk about all this on bbc news ukraine, i'm from london, i'm evgenia shedlovska. this is the moment, david cameron is back at downing , as british prime minister rishi sunak has reshuffled his government, changing key leaders after she criticized the london police for being soft on

pro-palestinian marches. so, big changes in the british government, we will talk about their reasons a little later, but david cameron unexpectedly returned to the government, do you remember who he is? he actually the very, very late british prime minister, 2010 to 2016, and it was he who called the referendum on britain's exit from the eu, he himself advocated for the country to remain in the belief that the majority of british people supported this position, but no, he lost and resigned, and i remember very well when he left, announcing his resignation, you could hear him humming such a happy tune, put the burden of brexit on the next prime minister, that's how they commented on this moment, from politics, that was seven years ago cameron left downing with his belongings and returned today as an invited guest, how his appointment as a minister took place,

we will tell further. these are not archival footage, but today's videos. david cameron is heading to downing, he has been given a seat in the house of lords and rishi sunak has been appointed as the new foreign secretary in the government. seven years ago, when cameron was leaving his post as prime minister, he said the following. i will do everything possible to make great britain lose in the european union. therefore, his career in foreign it is difficult to call the policy unequivocally successful. and the fact that rishi sunak will call the former prime minister. in his government, it was possible to imagine him, during the recent conference of the conservative party, sunak spoke about former political leaders like this. for 30 years, we've had a political system that incentivized the wrong decisions and the easy ones. 30 years of rhetorical ambitions that are only short-term in nature. in his international challenges, although i do not agree with some personal decisions, it is clear to me that rishi sunak is strong and capable

a prime minister who is showing exemplary leadership in challenging times, i want to help him ensure the prosperity and security of our country, and to be part of the strongest possible team serving the united kingdom and to lead at a time when countries face elections. old conflicts seem to be behind us, but the country faced another challenge: the minister of internal affairs was dismissed from his post. suella braverman in her recent controversial article accused the police of bias. this material is not agreed in the prime minister's office. the dismissal of braverman entailed other personnel changes. the minister of foreign affairs was appointed to the position of head of the ministry of internal affairs. when asked if he will separate himself. from the position of his predecessor james cleverley replied: i will try to do everything possible to had a great conversation with the prime ministers, he made it clear that he wants us to keep our promises and that every

briton feels safe. rishi sunak was warned if he resigned soelo braverman will have problems with the right wing in his own party, to which his response was namo , and appointed to... voters who voted for the conservatives in 2019 are loyal to david cameron. labor says rishi sunok is no longer the personification of change. the country needs change, and bringing david cameron back is not change, what is it, it's more tory psychodrama, divisiveness inside, fundamentally it will not solve the problem. faced by the country. at the same time, other personnel reshuffles took place in the government. theresa coffey, no longer a disciple of david cameron with a dead cat strategy, a kind of distraction, and they say there is too little time for political change. but

rishisunok does not seem to give up hope of giving his government a new lease of life. and we will understand the changes in the british government, together with my colleague irena teraniuk, which actually launched the release of the braverman force. this whole change of governments, it was the first, she the first one to resign, that's why braverman was fired, can you explain, fired the party long ago rishi sunak's eyes were calloused, because she accused all immigrants, illegally, who cross the channel illegally, of being rapists, she blamed albanians, of whom there were many in the fact that they are all representatives of organized crime and smugglers, but the last straw for rishi sunak was her criticism... in the tymes newspaper of the actions of the head of the capital police, she said that the police of the capital tolerate, mainly marches of solidarity with the palestinians, she called them hate marches, so, rishi sunak, it was already a challenge to him, to his

leadership, and he had to fire her, and fire her in disgrace, without even offering her an alternative, lower- ranking position in the government, it is clear that it was a political massacre for suela braverman, but the appointment of david cameron was a huge shock for everyone, because no one will talk about it, but actually sola braverman criticized the softness of the london police towards pro-palestinian demonstrations, protests that take place here since the start of the israel-hamas war, and this weekend in london was one of the largest such demonstrations, with approximately 3,000 people taking to the streets, before clashes broke out between the police and the ultras who wanted to stage an alternative demonstration, and the columnist just accused braverman of that her doubts about the actions of the police, they made it possible for her to do such things, but politics will not return, suela braverman never hid her leadership ambitions, she was a representative and such a favorite

candidate of the right wing of the conservative party, i.e. these are anti-immigrant appeals and slogans, these are demands to tighten internal divisions and anti-immigration legislation, the state over the media, it was actually so far from europe, that is why i believe that the brexiteers found an alternative to the liberals in it personifies rishi sunak with his reforms , and the personification of which was david cameron, and what is interesting, rishi sunak voted at one time for brexit, but he is a lock for this right wing, for which suella braverman is ot. of all such values, conservatism, as they his you see, cameron was just against brexit, moved the government in one day, hence the key changes : he fired the home secretary, soela braverman, as we already talked about it, appointed james cleverley, who was

previously the foreign secretary, in her place the foreign minister did not remain empty for long, david cameron became the new foreign secretary, and moreover, in order for cameron to become a minister, he had to become a lord because he had left parliament. then he is neither in the house of lords nor in the house of commons, but david cameron, despite the fact that this is an unexpected appointment, but he is experienced in flying from it now, it is a very interesting question, because david cameron...' really is not was not a politician, he was not elected, he does not sit on may not have the right to sit with the government on the front benches answering questions from the opposition about the direction of his foreign policy or his government's foreign policy, in order to be able to be a minister at all, he has been urgently appointed to the house of lords, but the lords have no right come and take participation in the work of the chamber, let's not talk about ukraine, that's how he followed...' he criticized russia, he consistently criticized

the annexation of crimea, he consistently criticized russia, russian support for separatists in the east. russia, of course, denied in the 14th year that regular russian units entered eastern ukraine, donbas, and supported these separatists, inciting them to anti-ukrainian actions. however, the british government did not look for direct evidence of this at the time, it simply did not believe russia and believed that such shameful actions, under the guise of of the post-war, international agenda, the president, russian, then and now putin, simply broke all international rules, the foreign policy of the cameron government, then led by william hayek, who was in kyiv twice after the annexation of crimea already in march of the normandy format, because the very norman format of negotiations regarding the settlement... peaceful, as it was believed at the time, they also believed that it was possible to avoid a larger war and

settle this conflict, there were barack obama, the president of the united states, david cameron, the prime minister of great britain, who gathered in normandy to celebrate the anniversary of the allied landings, so after the world war. therefore, david cameron will continue to support ukraine and international flights . iryna, there is one more question regarding the internal. so appointing cameron to slunok's team could bring discord in the conservative party, because brexiteers remember that cameron was in favor of staying in the eu, what, and that's not all he is criticized for? when david cameron was still leader of the conservative party, he wanted to be seen as a modern centrist conservative who cared about ecology, who invited the opposition to the government and legalized same-sex marriage. after his resignation, he received the title of lord and criticized some decisions of the current

prime minister of britain, rishi sunak. great changes have also taken place in the foreign policy of great britain not so long ago that in 2015 cameron had a beer with chinese president xi jinping. and today, many deputies of the conservative party see beijing as a huge threat. and britain's intervention in libya in 2011. it says that the country's intervention in the conflict was made without proper analysis of the development. and this is what led to the collapse of the libyan state. there were many questions for the ex-prime minister cameron, after his resignation, a committee of parliamentarians accused him of lobbying british ministers on behalf of the financial group greene capital, where cameron was an adviser. prime minister cameron's legacy is brexit. he started talking about britain's exit from the european union, but it is not ... that the majority of the public will vote to leave the eu, and

some voters will never forgive him for this, that the former prime minister is returning to power - a rare occurrence, but his return is an additional experienced voice in a team that works in times of international conflict, but it has given rise to criticism from both the opposition and party members, with his appointment, but in any case it will not be easy for the conservatives . well, thank you iryna, iryna teryniuk, the bbc correspondent, helped us understand all this british politics, that 's the end of our newscast, see you tomorrow. congratulations, friends, the live broadcast of the tv channel continues. this is the verdict program, my name is sergey

rudenko, from now on weekdays the verdict will be released in a two -hour format, starting at 8:00 p.m. and ending at 10:00 p.m., we are talking about ukraine, the world, the economy, the war, the elections, about everything that interests you, dear tv viewers, today ivanna klympushtsadze, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction, mrs. yulia klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine, voice faction, mrs. yulia, is a guest of verdict. good evening and oleg dunda, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people faction. mr. oleg, i am glad to see you see. i am happy to welcome everyone and my colleagues as well. mrs. yulia, good afternoon and evening. good afternoon throughout, throughout this program, we are conducting polls both on tv and on our youtube and facebook platforms, today we ask, dear tv viewers, viewers, taryak on youtube or facebook, if you are sitting in front of the tv, you can vote by calling the numbers,

yes 0800, 211, 381, no, 0800 211-382, all calls to these numbers are free. at the end of the broadcast, we will sum up the results of this vote, and ladies and gentlemen, let's formed in the format of the blitzopytuvanny, we will try to answer the same question, well, considering the fact that today the ukrainian people's deputy oleksandr dubinsky was suspected of treason by the security service of ukraine, those fsb agents work in your way in the ukrainian government, let's start with mrs. klynpushadze. you and i know that until the 14th year , russia did everything in order to spy on all the power institutions of ukraine, agents of its various structures, so i do not rule it out, thank you, ms. yulia, well , they are undoubtedly working, we have in the parliament the whole opzh faction, which is now

part of it, split into two groups, so there is undoubtedly, i would rephrase the question, how many there are, that is, well here... doubts that they are present in all state authorities. thank you, mr. olezh, how many fsb agents do you think there are, as ms. yulia asks, in the ukrainian government? to start with something else, i would like to congratulate your colleague, yehor chicherenda, wish him good health, so that he may return to zsu, unscathed, healthy and, of course, victorious. may he be lucky and may he fight for and for ukraine us and you, as far as possible, is returned for disposal. returning to your question, of course they are, they are definitely in the session hall and the verkhovna rada, what we have seen, they are in the session halls of local councils, most likely they operate in law enforcement agencies, in 30 years, or what is it called there, now the main administration seems simple, but it has extorted all echelons of the ukrainian

government, among the opposition, former and existing, and among the authorities, there are certainly such, we have until the 22nd year, by the way... not yet was officially counted somewhere more than 2 million ukrainian citizens had russian passports and they were everywhere, so according to this time, the sbu and counterintelligence were clearly on it, so that they could be caught and destroyed in our warehouses. mr. olezh, the fact that the sbu is now raising suspicions against your former party member and fellow faction member does not upset you very much, what do you mean, me. if his guilt is proven, it will make me happy, because in the end, such a person was kidnapped and convicted, this is one less traitor, but only if, if

indeed, well, the trial is currently underway, or the trial on the selection of a preventive measure for oleksandr dubinsky, a break in this meeting, we will monitor it, of course , but let's talk about foreign policy... matters about how the world comments on what is happening in ukraine, what proposals, what ideas are there in of the world community on how to help ukraine, former nato secretary general rasmussen, it is time to take the next step and invite ukraine to join nato. we need a new european security architecture in which ukraine will be at the very heart of nato. absolute reliability guarantees under article five would have given russia against intensifying attacks on ukraine. territory within nato and would thus free ukrainian forces to be sent to the front. to make article five convincing, it is necessary to give russia a clear signal that any violation of nato territory will be met with a response. this is the statement made by rasmussen.

ms. ivanna, what do you say about this statement, considering that such a statement, in fact, goes against international law, and ukraine, according to the version of the former secretary general of nato, should become nato, but without occupied territories, had occupied or annexed territories, joined the alliance, but let's read carefully what the former secretary general of the alliance proposed, because the first example that comes to mind is the example of germany, a divided germany, which part of it first entered the alliance, and then there was the reunification of germany and as a result... its other part, which until that time was supposedly a separate state, but under the direct influence of the soviet union,

was part of the so-called warsaw bloc, and it joined, joined the alliance, respectively as a part of germany, already united germany. we do not have exactly the same history and this analogy is not quite direct, but , as i understand what mr. rasmussen proposed, and joining the alliance, the issue of extending the fifth article to one or another part of the generally recognized ukrainian territory, this is what rasmussen proposed today, well, i also analyzed the proposal of our other colleagues, well, a large number of american, and former, and well, former diplomats, military, analysts who are not so long ago... regarding the need to invite ukraine to

the alliance at the same washington summit that rasmussen is talking about, they too, actually speaking, if we go into details, they also talk about a certain gradual spread of security guarantees from alliance to the territories under the control of kyiv, i believe that some creative under... anchor in the alliance, they should have the right to discuss, this is important in order for the alliance to accept the whole of ukraine, actually speaking, because obviously nato is that structure that does not question the territorial integrity of ukraine, but how to implement it step by step? perhaps, well, this is one of the options, which, when it is put on the side. allowed to come to some decisions that would seriously bring ukraine closer to

either an invitation or some other step already to washington in washington next july. ms. julia, it is clear that what rasmussen says does not fit into the current logic of the north atlantic alliance, because there are some rules, there is a practice of how countries join the north. takes place on the territory of ukraine, this is also a challenge for the north atlantic alliance, because for the first time, after the second world war, such a large, full-scale war is ongoing on the european continent, and it is clear that nato must also be much more flexible in the current situation than anyone, considering on the threats that the russian federation poses not only to ukraine, to the north atlantic alliance, in your opinion, what and how can nato's position change in this matter, what ms. klynpush tsinsadze says, that is, what can

push nato to making some decisions those that will lead to a positive result specifically for ukraine , well, first of all, you understand, the international order has actually been destroyed, and it, at the moment, neither international law nor the international order as such works, russia has invaded... let's say, regrouping authoritarian regimes, in fact, i think that for nato, any expansion and expansion at the expense of ukraine , which is actually the only country among european countries with practical experience of war, a million-strong army and the ability to use nato weapons, it will significantly strengthen nato, i i think that nato, including... as my colleague mrs. ivanna correctly said, with the extension of the fifth article to the unoccupied territories, in the future after deoccupation and to

the deoccupied territories, will significantly strengthen nato,