[000:00:00;00] combating attempted assassinations, well, for whom is it for what, i understand that the specifics of visan are specific, it is such, well, i called it a serious publication, but for peacetime, then yes, it would be a good interview, not for wartime , i would like, mr. andrii, you know what else to ask, mr. andrii, but if a new polish government is formed, what will be the relations with them in ukraine? leadership, to the extent that it can generally be assumed that there will be some warmth between the ukrainian authorities and polish liberals, well look, i want to say that it is certain that there will not be any immediate hot volume, because this government that will be formed will be formed from four major political forces, and the coalition government will also include representatives

of the party... peasant party, polish peasant party parties that will protect their market and will protect their farmers and will protect their truckers, so you shouldn't expect all the problems to be solved at once, but i think i'm still more optimistic about our relationship because the new prime minister of poland, donald tusk, is known for his pro-european , his pro-european... vision, his pro-european positions, and in principle he understands europe very well from the inside, and he understands and knows ukraine very well, so i think that these relations of ours will still be based on a proper pro-european policy, obviously it will not be, as i have already said, that this is immediately an unhindered,

uninterrupted, barrier-free, barrier-free... movement of ukraine to europe and will be supported by poland, this will not, but nevertheless, the chances are much greater than they were with law and justice, with the moravietsi government, which itself has problems with brussels, and they needed to fight with that brotzel themselves , not to mention dragging ukraine. mr. andriy, in conclusion, because we know that you have to be released a little earlier, volodymyr zelenskyi and andzhiemduy have developed such rather warm friendly relations. will he be able to build the same relationship with donald tusk, who is, well, in opposition to andrzej duda, you mean from zelensky with donald tusk , or talenskyi, well, first of all, i think that here we really need to build relations between, at the level between heads of government, it would be mr. schmigel and

donald tusk, maybe these. relations should be built, and the relations that have already been established between the presidents, volodymyr zelandsky, andrzej duda, duda, should be supported here, but i think that if these good relations are established between, between, excuse me, donald tusk and schmigel, then i think , that they will also be transformed into good relations between president zelenskyi and duda, and i apologize, and donald tusk. thank you, it was andriy deshchytsia, a diplomat, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of poland in 2014-2022, and we will continue our conversation with vitaly kolk, yes. and tell me, mr. vitaly, you are talking about, in an interview with zasan, how important are texts in the media in general today from the point of view of the real situation, because we can read anything, look at some signals, analyze what

he wrote, what sana said or what he wrote. in bilt, but war is a policy of concrete actions, you understand, they liberated the city, we see it, they did not liberate it, we also see it, 75 shaheds flew in, we saw them, shot them down, this is reality, they did not shoot them down, a different reality, as far as media forecasts are concerned and efforts to convey some public signals are important in war, but seriously, we are not only talking about war, we are also talking about diplomacy during war, and it needs texts, program documents. needs certain analyses, certain messages, which then find support for formation public opinion, for example, the dry residue of this publication, as far as i can see, in a positive way, can be the only passage that the more air defense, the more ukrainians will return to ukraine, because it is safe in ukraine, here it is, the reader of the cassette, who , well, let's say, no, he supports

the increase in the number of... migrants coming to britain, he quite positively perceived that this is a cause and effect, there is a reason, we will give more means of counter-defense and more ukrainians will go back to ukraine. here, these are the only dry remnants of this publication, which in favor of ukraine and in favor of our victory in this war. however, it is different, it seems to me to be controversial in this publication. therefore , yes, we need to do interviews, we need to go to european meetings, we need to form public, public opinion in european countries. the position of voters, political parties, which make political decisions in parliaments, governments, and representatives depends on this . this is work that is also needed, but when we are the main strategic statements of the president or the government, or the top military officer leaders, we read in western publications, and for us these are important statements first of all, as

for the ukrainian people, for the people who are fighting, who support the rear, and we read it from the retellings of western publications, that's how i think this is wrong communication, that is completely wrong, first there should be communication with one's own people, and then... messages to the outside, and we have already had the opposite for 21 months in a row, so absolutely, i do not recall a single strategic text from the bank in the last six months that would have been made for the ukrainian reader, viewer, for of the ukrainian people, who would like to build strategic communication with their own people, and we constantly see some appeals to the western media during meetings with foreigners who come to ukraine, statements of the president at various international platforms that concern the internal ukrainian order, mr. greetings, but i think that in the president's office and even

president zelensky himself would say: "every day i write down an appeal to ukrainians." yes, every day, 21 months in a row. well, that's his job, to calm down, but that's not communication, it is such a one-sided monologue, so eh. and these are not strategic things, he voices some summaries of the day, places some accents, as the position of the government, but this is not a strategic conversation about the real thing, about the essence, yes, i would like to read, see, or performances of ogolensky. or a text where he would talk about different scenarios, about a real analysis of the situation with mobilization, about the fact that we will run out of mobilization stock, what to do when we fail. financial assistance from the united states by the european union, will there be a budget,

which positions of the ukrainian budget will have to be cut, who will be affected by this, a serious conversation, strategic or at least , well, close to the strategic level, but actually speaking, this is what the president wanted from the top military and political leadership, and for now we read the economist, or visan or other publications where important statements are made for the future of the country. thank you, thank you, vitaliy kulyk, the director of the center for the study of civil society problems was in touch with us, we are going on a short break, let's go back and continue our conversation, oh, there are no potatoes, you'll bring them, already, something has caught your back, i remind you, apply dr. tice's comfrey ointment and get back to work with comfrey ointment - a german ointment for pain in the joints and muscles. from pain in the joints and muscles, natural meze with ham bone from dr. tice. ask at the drugstores of the good-natured pharmacy and one social

pharmacy of 100 g, with a 20% discount. attention, friends, urgent collection. espresso tv channel asks to join termino. collection for a car truck for the first separate brigade special appointment named after ivan bohun. artillery reconnaissance. artillery eyes, they are the ones who need a new car. our defenders are in an active combat zone and recently conducted a very successful operation. but the enemy destroyed their suv, so it is important to send them a new one as soon as possible. a car at the front, especially in winter , is everything for our soldiers, without it it is much, much more difficult to fight. let's help, collect funds and buy a car for our defenders. the car has already been found it remains to buy it. cars at the front are consumables, they are constantly being destroyed, so donate and help our armed forces, support our gathering together to

victory. uah 450,000 - the cost of the car, uah 4,500 - the amount to be collected. we continue the saturday political club and our guest from lesya, guest. energy market analyst maksym bilyavskyi, we welcome you, mr. maksym, to ukraine, and we will return to the topic of this blockade of carriers in er, the district of the polish-ukrainian border, and we will ask you, mr. maksym, what will there be real economic consequences of the blockade? first of all, we already see a certain increase in prices for autogas, on the ceilings, certainly in the near future, the balance of autogas on the market of petroleum products of ukraine will change, and if it is not possible to transfer...'

to send actually 80% of the volume of propane-butane, which comes from poland, er, well, accordingly, we are waiting for scarce times , most likely, the structure of consumption will change in our country, and the share of gasoline consumption will increase, and gasoline must also be taken, of course, the shortage will affect, i repeat once again, on growth price, and the price is included in the structure of the final cost. of any product that is delivered, that means the prices will go up, yes, i understand, in fact, absolutely exactly, in my opinion, we need to wait for the price of the actual consumer basket to increase, because the products, any other product, it is delivered , and the actual cost of logistics is included in the final cost of this product, in addition, we need to understand the entire scale of the problem from the point of view of economics. unfortunately,

in fact, there is now a trade blockade, and what what is export and what is it, what are the funds for e goods that go for export, it is currency, foreign currency receipts, if we look at the statistics, unfortunately, they are very sad, so i do not rule out that when e, there will be no opportunity to support the corresponding exchange rate of the hryvnia, we will have inflation, followed by actual consumer inflation, with a certain inertia , in about one or two months, in general , i believe that the outrage that is taking place on the border of poland, which was actually created by, uh, a few people , er, this is the hand of the kremlin, this is

a kremlin company to put pressure on the national economy of ukraine, why, because few people know, but on november 7 , 2023, changes were made to the customs code in ukraine , in fact, this date also coincides with the start of the outrage of this action, which we are still observing, all this is done in order to to paralyze the actual movement of ukrainian goods to european markets and, accordingly, the flow of currency into the national system. mr. maksym, but if this is the hand of the kremlin, then this crisis on the border, this blockade, it will not be resolved, why? so what is the situation there, er, permission to hold this the action was provided by the commune, it is the local self-government body of poland, and accordingly

, the commune can also cancel this action, but unfortunately, as far as i know from the press, no one from the state authorities of the republic of poland made a corresponding request , and the same polish police, when asked by the representatives of the state authorities of ukraine, regarding the legality of this outrage, actually demonstrates: not the permission of the territorial community, which legalized, sanctioned, uh, such a discriminatory protest against to our ukraine. and tell me, why, in fact, do you think that the polish government officials could stop this story if they wanted to, they are not doing it from an economic point of view, first of all, what is the interest, i think with a political one, eh, this is the first, eh , uh, secondly, we need to understand that this is not only

the border of poland, ukraine, it is the border of the european union of ukraine, and still, i hope that the european commission will react to these facts, but in reality we do not have time, imagine , that in these queues are the products of, er, barely working, barely living. enterprises from mykolaiv, from zaporizhzhia, from dnipro, and again, until the products from these enterprises reach the final consumer, our companies, ukrainian companies of various types of ownership, they do not receive funds, there will be no funds for the products sold, wages will not be paid fees and taxes paid, this is an approximate sad situation, regarding the economy, the economy there is no economic

issue, why, because the big carriers in poland, they do not perceive... in general, this action, again, as far as it is known from, public sources, er, the organizers are little-known people who, although they have not distinguished themselves in the transportation market in poland, many people do not know them, but again, large carriers and polish business, which depends on the supply of these goods, on pity is silent, for now it is silent, and time is passing, for example, as far as i know, some cargoes have been standing since october 26, that is, almost a month already, ukraine has already suffered 400 million losses, if 400 million euros are euros, then millions of euros, if that is all it will

take longer, how long these losses can still be to be, and if he intervenes later, well , their political situation will improve in poland , it will work... government by government in a normal way, will there be any compensation for what we are losing, what our economy is losing? there will probably be compensation, but now the question is to unblock the border. of course, we expect that the prime minister, the future prime minister of poland, tusk, will solve this issue, quite quickly, in general, as far as i know, again, from the words of my acquaintances from colleagues from poland, to unblock the border maybe nothing there in 15-30 minutes, but the question is that it is now extremely important for us to unlock , the compensation will be under any circumstances, but we must remember that there is a concept

of multiplier in the economy, therefore today's irreparable losses, which are including import-dependent enterprises that are waiting for the entry of... this or that product from the european union or from the checkpoints on the border with poland, are also dependent on this situation and bear losses, that is, importers and exporters of ukraine bear losses and not only ukraine, but unfortunately, so far few people from our partners from the european union, from the business of european business , says this. thank you, thank you, mr. maksym, maksym bilyavsky, energy market analyst, this is a difficult situation to say the least, but we. understood from the conversation with mr. andrii deschitsa that all of this rests on this whole process of political reformatting of poland and as a result it affects our strategic, i would say economic interests, mykhailo yakubovych, orientalist, researcher at the university of freiburg from germany, 50- and the day of the war on

in the middle east, the second day of the release of the hostages, do you think, mr. mykhailo, we can now talk about the fact that this war is already passing through certain times. regions, the rubicon, i apologize, maybe yes, it is difficult to make any predictions, but obviously it will either slow down somewhere, or continue , but at the moment, even these negotiations are interpreted by both sides as a victory, a certain intermediate one, even i would say, the hamas side is more happy , they say, look, they forced israel to truce, israel did not achieved its goals, did not capture all the gas, and even here we are carrying out this exchange, and today a plane arrived from qatar with a specific mission, which will ensure almost direct negotiations between israel and hamas, and now

the iranian factor is more actively involved through yemen and because of hizballah, that is, the tension continues, but somewhere it turned...' into such a game of muscles, will there be a little relief, or a new escalation, but it looks like there will be a new escalation, or even an exchange of prisoners and hostages, in in this case, because from one hostages on one side, poloniny on the other, it continues, well, it is quite problematic, already the second group has not passed, respectively, and now there is a suspicion that there may even be a breakdown of this so-called... armistice, well, it reminds me, to be honest , ukrainian truces during the anti-terrorist operation, which broke down a few hours after the start. how much longer can this war in israel last? i think at least until

israel achieves its goals, because to stop now is to stop halfway, israel must absolutely clean up the gas as a city, what will happen next with khan yunis is the question, but to leave everything as it is now and leave, or even maintain some control, i think is the answer. forces, israeli entourages of netanyahu, including the israeli right, they do not support this, that is, yes, perhaps the operation will be even more protracted, perhaps there will be less bombing, more will work as infantry, since the opposition is very strong to the bombing of gaza and to the military operation, including in the west, well, they are already trying to somehow slow it down due to various protests, but stop now israel. well, this is absolutely unacceptable, especially the goals that were set, they were set to the maximum , the complete destruction of hamas, complete control over

gaza, and to stop now, well, it is basically losing the battle, and on the other hand, what could be the consequences of continuing the operation , the more its longevity for israel's relations with the arab world, and for the relations of the united states with the arab muslim world, the consequences can also be problematic, but here... another factor is involved, the thing is that a lot of forces, in including those who participated in the arab spring, and the arab spring mostly lost, including in egypt, where there were some active events, they are included in the support of palestine, and against the background of economic problems, in the same jordan, in in the same egypt, in the same syria, the protest potential is growing to a certain extent, and the governments of the arab countries are afraid that if they continue, they will be silent. and they actually do it there, limiting themselves to declarations on the israeli

offensive, then most likely they have, well, extremely strong protests will begin inside, and they too would like israel to stop it, but either israel is already here , as they say, either win or don't even start, that is, somewhere in the middle, they will persuade, they will talk, they will pressure, for something . i repeat once again, the qatari side is now actively initiating these negotiations, hiding at the same time the leaders of hamas, but netanyahu will lose a certain level of support. once enough far. and what is happening now in the world with support. palestine or hamas, i don't know, it certainly cannot be put on the same line , we see in the netherlands, geert

wilders, who is known for his anti-islamist statements, won, but we also see protests in defense, whether it is the palestinians or hamas, whether it is against israel, how the world is now reacting to these 50 days, something has changed , there is a general complex issue here, it continues specifically... among the left, especially some right, support for palestine, well, mainly among the left, of course, but interesting paradoxes you can observe, for example, the polish right-wing forces, which are actually anti-ukrainian in nature, which are now gaining a certain weight , and we can see that you just had a conversation about this on the air, so historically they were allegedly against israel, yes, but even more so against.. arab countries against migration, they come to power, saying that the european union wants to transfer to them these evil arabs, all

these muslim barbarians, as they label them, here i see it as extremely paradoxical, they fit in for palestine, they say, look how it is possible, must be stopped this genocide, which is organized by israel, that is, we see such paradoxes that on the one hand a game begins on this topic and this game has already gone far beyond what they think about the lives of some palestinians, the same game is taking place in spain, for example , the catalan government, which can be considered separatist to a certain extent, there began to break some relations with israeli cities, and the level of anti-semitism, or rather anti-israel rhetoric, we will still separate these things, they have grown in the world and it is also quite difficult with what to do... the protests continue, but we see that economically and on various political elements, it has no effect

, the ground is simply being prepared for, well, to talk more about the ideas of such, you know, worldwide pacifism, switching to problems that , for example, distract attention from russian aggression, and will eventually distract from hamas aggression, that is, such pacifist rhetoric grows conditionally, which is taken beyond the limits of any historical logic, and now we see that in fact, people who, well hardly can... to say something important about the israeli-palestinian conflict or about the history of the middle east in general, but this is not really necessary, that is how propaganda works, and even more so russian propaganda and chinese propaganda invest heavily, that is, the trend is negative, but so far at the level of support

israel by the united states, britain, germany, israel's key allies, it still does not significantly affect, at least for, and please tell me, er, mr. mykhailo, there is no such danger from the fact that right now these pro-khamas, pro-palestinian demonstrations, very often really the same thing, they will not lead to the strengthening of the far right in all over europe , because the ultapravra have been saying all the time, look at these people, they are extremists, they come with completely separate completely different values, they will plant xenophobia and anti-semitic people in our europe, and we are not like that, we just want europe to be european, to have european values, now wilders, in fact, in the netherlands, has increased by 50% according to sociological surveys, you can say, and i read interviews with his voters in the dutch press, and they all say, we were opened, our eyes were opened on october 7, that is, the attack of hamas on israel, i mean those people who voted for the

freedom party for the first time, and it seems to me that there can be such a delayed political... effect for europe for a long time? i'd say it's not even immediate, it's already happening. let's look, for example, at the resolutions, the most pro-israeli resolutions in the un , supported by viktor orban in eastern europe. viktor orbán turned out to be quite a follower, an ally, israel, and wilders has already repeatedly stated that orbán is an example of a good leader for him, another question, however, is how they live in hungary, how they live. in the netherlands, there are two big differences, but no one cares about it now , the same can be said about the russian special operation conducted at one time in dagestan, in order to show how truly barbaric these muslims are, what a threat they can pose, and even in the same we see that germany, despite the fact that the alternative for germany, is somewhere trying to play this, you know the game back and forth

here, because they cannot, if by virtue of...' the trauma of germany, say something against israel in principle, but on the other hand , it is difficult here and with the palestinian topic, so they have this migrant rhetoric, it is present, and it is anti-migrant rhetoric, at least in those countries where elections will be held this year, it will obviously have an impact, and i say once again, not without the help of russian, even iranian, and even some... the left will very well play the right with their absolutely irresponsible statements called essentially useful idiots who completely ignore the presence of two sides in the conflict, but essentially support hamas, saying that hamas did not arise out of nowhere, well, the same could be said about idol in principle, it could be said about any organization, that it

did not arise just like that, but has a historical justification, something else? when a historian says it, when a politician says something else, that is why there really is such a trend, and next year, when there will be new elections in various european countries, they show that this factor will persist, and most likely it will remain, because as i have already voiced forecasts for the continuation of the war, after all, this is a longer conflict than it seemed even at the beginning, but we look at european countries, at their education and say that it is better, but we see that there are young people... for example, the cause-and-effect relationships are somehow broken in them, and they do not understand what hamas is, and that it is definitely not the organization that will support the rights and freedoms of citizens, why yes, the key, the key the word now in european education is post-colonialism or anti-colonialism, all european education,