approved and then it will be possible to say that in the 24th year we will have all these means, but this difficult period of winter must be understood that it will be really extraordinary, mykhailo, thank you for joining our broadcast and we talked about the military the possibilities of russia and ukraine , well, the western world, that's why we referred to the economist article with such a loud headline, which , of course, bypassed the ukrainian media. , and we go to other topics. the osce council, which was held the day before in north macedonia, and a number of ministers were ignored due to the presence of the head of the russian foreign ministry lavrov. officially , representatives of ukraine, the baltic countries and poland refused to participate, unofficially, several other countries, and some. defiantly left

the hall during lavrov's speech. my colleague in brussels, olena abramovych, will provide more details. for the osce meeting in north macedonia, most of the european ministers flew from brussels, right after the nato meeting. on wednesday evening. there was in skopje a joint dinner and a group photo of the participants of the jubilee 30th session of the council of ministers of the osce is planned. russian minister sergey lavrov at the evening meal. did not make it, his plane was forced to change routes and the journey was extended for five hours. initially, lavrov was supposed to fly through bulgaria. for this, moscow requested a special permit from sofia, since the head of the russian ministry of foreign affairs is under sanctions. bulgaria gave it, but only for lviv. when it became clear that maria zakharova, a representative of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation under sanctions, was also on board, the permission was revoked. zakharova threatened measures in answer. anger the stupidity of russophobes

has reached the point that for the first time in our history the official authorities have banned not a plane but a person in the sky from being in the sky, did the bulgarian officials think that similar measures could be applied to the thousands of nato functionaries who are in our mirror stoppages , as an answer, and did they think about creating a dangerous world precedent, i think not. as a result , we had to fly with a stop in turkey, and then through the airspace of greece. who agreed to miss the board. part top officials, including top eu diplomat josep boreli and us secretary of state anthony blinken, managed to leave skopje even before lavrov's arrival. they did not plan to stay for the main session on thursday, their deputies spoke for them. the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, warned his colleagues about such a plan the day before, after talking with them at the nato headquarters. there are countries that approached me today and

said that we are here today, but we will not be at the ministerial meeting, because we do not agree with it, but we will not be about it speak publicly, because we don't want to offend anyone there. at the osce session itself, western ministers one by one expressed support for ukraine and condemned russian aggression, which called into question the existence of this security organization. when the floor was handed over to lavrov, a number of officials, including from the ukrainian delegation... began to leave the hall. thank you, mr. acting chairman, mrs. general secretary, colleagues, lavrov began repeating theses that the kyiv regime for eight years conducted a punitive operation in donbas. and his words, it seems, were immediately commented on, as he interrupted and in english, said to someone, can you leave me alone, which in translation means leave me alone, and continued to tell that in ukraine and countries of ideology,

he complained that the eu wants out of line, i quote in an accelerated order, to open the door to the european union for the kyiv regime. as for the paralyzed work of the osce, lavrov put the responsibility for this on the usa and the european union, which allegedly use the organization for dominance in the region. it is clear to any non-engaged person that seriously and honestly solving the issue of ye security will not work like that, but the western capitals are pursuing the chances of the osce for revival with enviable persistence. the next speaker immediately began to analyze lavrov's words, explaining that this was an introduction to oman, but lavrov did not listen and left the meeting. the minister expressed his regret, saying that they had gathered for the sake of dialogue, and to hear each other, at least that's how european diplomats proved the necessity of russia's presence. the decision to allow lavrov to take

participation in the negotiations is in line with our common goal of maintaining multilateralism and lavrov needs to hear from everyone again why russia is being condemned and isolated, this will be a good opportunity for him to hear it directly from the participants of this meeting. the ministers gathered at this meeting to approve the organization's budget for the next year and to appoint a new chairman. estonia's candidacy for the presidency was previously blocked by russia. at this session, it was possible to approve the compromise version of malta. because of these and other concessions to moscow, the osce risks becoming an organization. with the dead the mastermind is the lithuanian minister of foreign affairs, who ignored the meeting, and the head of the ukrainian foreign ministry is convinced that there is no future with russia in the organization, it is necessary either to exclude the aggressor state, or to restart the bloc again without moscow's participation. from brussels, olena

abramovich, mark hajduk, radio liberty. this is svoboda ranok, my name is kateryna nekrecha, and further on this broadcast we will talk about such topics. when evil appears. face and name, we are one step closer to justice, these are the words of one of the authors of the investigation about the colony of volenivtsy, which held ukrainian prisoners. the journalists collected the testimonies of dozens of people who were held captive there and learned the names of those who tortured the ukrainian military. who they are, we will tell later. the security service of ukraine conducted searches in the pochaiv lavra in the case of alleged incitement of national enmity and hatred by the leadership of the monastery. allegedly on the website of the lavra. clerics questioned the existence of ukraine, the spokesman of the uoc says that he is not at all sure whether the lavra has a website, what is the situation there today, where were the female students taken seminaries and what will happen to the pochaiv lavra? if you like this video, then leave a like, subscribe to the radio liberty channel,

this is necessary for youtube to promote this video, and you will not miss important videos on the radio liberty channel. curator from moscow. kyrylo popov, who probably oversaw the work of the volenivtsi pow camp in donetsk region. he is the first deputy head of the moscow branch of the federal penitentiary service of the russian federation. kyiv independent journalists managed to establish such information. in addition, investigators established the names of persons involved in torture and abuse of ukrainian prisoners of war. the kyivinde publication received the recording of conversations for the alleged participation of popov, as well as the geolocation of his coordinates, which testify to his visit to the occupied donetsk region in may-june 22 . three ukrainian soldiers who were kept in the volenivtsi camp also confirmed to journalists that they saw popov in the camp. former prisoners told journalists that popov gave orders and coordinated the work of other employees

colonies the publication also called popov with a request for a comment, but he refused to speak. hello, kyrylo , kyrylo volodymyrovych, good afternoon, my name is zhenya, i am a journalist, i would like to talk to you about the camp for prisoners of war olenivka , which you oversee give me your city number and who you are talking to, i am talking to kirill volodymyrovych. give us your city number, there is no city number at hand now, number city, let's use a russian one, i'm calling you from a russian number. in addition, kyiv independence investigators established

other names of persons who could torture and abuse ukrainian prisoners of war. at first, in olenivka , people from the donetsk region worked on the audience, who went to cooperate with the russian authorities. later they were replaced by secondees from russia. it was possible to establish the names of the prisoners thanks to internal documents that were able to be taken outside the prison. former prisoners recognized the head of the prison, who once worked in ukrainian law enforcement system and his assistant. the former prisoners also recognized the head of the operational department, the first deputy and two supervisors. released from captivity, with whom the journalists of the publication spoke, told about torture by the guards. the un commission, which interviewed former prisoners, found that up to 90% of people in olenivka were subjected to torture. also , the organization stated after the investigation that the explosion in the olenivka camp was not the result of a mars missile strike. it was this version

that was spread by the russian side, let me remind you. and in in october of this year, un experts found that the ammunition that hit the camp was launched from east to west, that is, from the occupied territory. we will remind you that on july 29, 2022 , an explosion occurred in one of the barracks in the volenivtsi camp. according to the prosecutor general's office , 57 prisoners died, and more than a hundred were injured. russian stora lists 50 and 70 people, respectively. among those received by volenivtsi were defenders of azovstal, who were transferred to the camp shortly before the explosion. ukrainian intelligence believes that the russian army carried out the attack in order to cover it up torture. in addition, the dead were probably not planned to be exchanged. yevgenia motorevska, head of the war crimes investigation department of the kyiv edition of independence, joined our broadcast. congratulations, evgenia, thank you for joining. tell us about the most valuable thing. what is your concern, what did you learn while working on this film, probably the naming

of the leaders of the volenivtsi colonies, do you agree with this and do you think these people will be brought to justice one day? yes indeed, congratulations katerina, indeed a lot of information has already been said and told by journalists about the camp for prisoners of war in olenivka, which was a place of torture, which became the place of... mass execution of ukrainian defenders of the defenders of mariupol, but we focused precisely on giving answers to the question of who tortured, who are these people, and in parallel , the investigative bodies, the prosecutor general's office are working in the same way, but we managed to find more information than the law enforcement officers had already established, and we identified exactly those people who tortured ukrainians with their own hands defenders, and those people who managed the colony, let's say so, officially, and that person who was obviously such a curator of the colony from

moscow, this is a high-ranking official of the prison system of russia itself, and i really really hope that - those mother materials that we found, the data we found, which will be the basis of national investigations, which will be announced by the ukrainian side, and i really hope that this evidence will be included in international investigations and in particular the international criminal court, so that the investigators of the international criminal court are also collecting data on the crimes in olenivka, and it is very important that not only at the national level, but also that this crime is investigated at the international level and that the names of the guilty and those responsible are already named at the official level for all the torture and actually for the explosion, and these names that you and your colleagues managed

to find out are people, they are directly involved in torture and crimes, or did they simply not prevent all this at the lower levels, but knew what was happening, or behaved volenovets so with captives, and to full-scale tuesday, for example, do you have such information, and yes, of course, information about the treatment of ... prisoners of war with civilian hostages before the full-scale invasion, it is public, i think that many ukrainians know about the isolation prison, which was in donetsk, occupied donetsk, and it is one of the most brutal prisons, where people were tortured, where there was absolutely no human treatment, and olenivka became the same place after the full-scale invasion, and you asked if these people were really tortured, yes managed to establish three supervisors who were directly engaged in torture, who

were responsible, let's say, if we can say so , in the camp for torturing ukrainian prisoners of war and suppressing testimonies. and at what point, the volenivites replaced the supervisors, from the locals who were there at first, and who went to cooperate with the occupiers, to russian proteges, and perhaps you know the reasons why this happened. yes, it happened exactly at the moment when the defenders of maripol were brought to olenivka, in particular, in particular the azov brigades and other military personnel who were in azovstal, and since we know about the special attention of the russians and just some maniacal attention to the azov brigade, it was then that the decision was made to replace most of the spectators from the occupied territories with russians, but i want

to note that there was one change , in fact, which we kidnapped, these people continued to work even when the russians came to the prison, and they were torturing no longer on the orders of their leadership from occupied donetsk, but on the orders of russian employees of the service execution of the order, the way it sounds in the original, but when you called the curator of olenivka from russia, kirill popov, you really hoped that he would give some answers about this situation, and in your opinion, what exactly did his reaction indicate on your call. look, i had one key goal, why it was very important to me, to make this call, we had, as you said , yes telephone connections, kirill popov, and we knew that there was this number, here it belonged kirill popov, but as journalists we always are this is also part of our work, to question everything , to doubt, and it was very

important for me to hear his voice, i knew because there were his interviews, he is quite a public person in russia, it was... very important for me to confirm that the number i called really belongs to him, and when i heard in the first seconds, if only literally , his voice, i understood, yes, this is really kirill popov, and he really uses the same number that we have information, about his phone connections, and in fact, the fact that he laughed so expressively, he didn't even tried to deny that he, he did not ask what olenivka was, he did not ask what you were talking about, it was such a show. a laugh that showed me that he perfectly understood why i was calling, what i wanted from him, he certainly did not know that we were ukrainian journalists, i think that he understood this during the conversation, because, well, that is, if i called from a ukrainian number or said, or started speaking in ukrainian there, i think that he would not even say hello there, that is, he would immediately hang up,

and it was extremely possible for me to record that here is this number, here is kirill popov, who really...' and yevhennia was on the other side of the phone, and were there any other attempts to contact anyone else from the supervisors with people, who are involved in the torture in olenivka? unfortunately, we did not have the opportunity to contact the others, because if we talk about the guards, and they, they are hiding, no matter how brave they are in olenivka, when - they tortured the prisoners of war, when they felt that they were the masters of life there, and actually. i analyzed a lot of social networks, theirs, their relatives, family members, they are very afraid, because they are taking their families to the territory of russia from the occupied territories, and they cleaned up as much as they could, everything that was on social networks, they just didn’t understand how to do it correctly, and with the help of artificial

intelligence there, various programs, we were able to get certain accesses to the social... networks of their relatives, find certain photos, but they try to hide themselves, hide their family, and of course it was not possible to contact them. yevhennia, what is happening now in olenivka, are they still receiving ukrainian prisoners of war there, prisoners, maybe civilian prisoners, what information do you have, well, lenivka continues to be occupied, the territory, despite what it finds... along with controlled territory is actually there and on the front line, so we cannot say for sure, but according to the information of our sources from the law enforcement agencies, according to the information of our sources from our intelligence, then prisoners of war are currently not held in volenivtsi, due to the fact that it was completely

unsuitable for people to stay there, due to the fact that there is no heating system there. we , and even the russians, did not risk leaving ukrainian servicemen there for the winter of 2023, then on the eve of the new year, a year ago, all prisoners of war were transferred to other prisons, either in the occupied territory or in the territory of russia, and as far as i know, again after all, from our sources, it is again in such a half-frozen state. let's say censored, and one of the reasons why this may still be the case is because obviously the russians are trying to cover up these crimes, yes, trying to destroy any evidence that may have remained on the olenivka site related to the explosion, related to the murders ukrainian defenders, because of course

, when the region is de-occupied, there will be international experts, ukrainian law enforcement officers and ukrainian law enforcement officers working there, i know that there is a very high hope that when the re-occupation takes place, it will still be possible to find at least some evidence that will help to answer the question, the key question of olenivka, who gave the orders and how the explosion in baraka took place, as a result of which 57 ukrainian defenders were killed and more than 130 were injured. i thank you for joining, thank you for yours. yevgenia motorevska, the head of the war crimes investigation department of kyivindepe, and we talked about the film, about olenivka, about the place where ukrainian military prisoners were held and where it is going. torture, searches in the pochaiv assumption lavra were carried out by the security service of ukraine, the agency explained that the searches

conducted as part of a criminal case about the possible incitement of national enmity and hatred by the leadership of the lavra. according to the investigation, representatives of the pochaiv lavra published a publication on the monastery's website in which they insulted the national honor and dignity of the jews, and also incited religious enmity towards representatives of all churches except the ukrainian orthodox church. in addition, in this post, the clerics of the uoc mp questioned the existence of ukraine as a sovereign state separate from russia. the sbu also referred to the results of the examination that established the presence in the text of internet publications of statements that incite international enmity and hatred - quote. instead, the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church announced the purported cleaning of the premises of the kremenets branch of the pochaiv theological seminary. the church press service stated that "female students of the theological school are forcibly put on buses and taken to a dormitory of one of the colleges. the police broke into cellia, where

the students of the school lived and were still sleeping at the time, and forcibly insisted on the urgent collection of personal belongings. siylovik did not even the fact that the temperature in the yard at this time was below zero was confusing. the police representative said that he had received an order to clear the premises, and he would carry out this order. head of the main department. serhiy zyubanko, head of the police in the ternopil region , reported on his facebook page that the police officers worked with other law enforcement officers within the framework of the court decision regarding the return of the st. nicholas cathedral in kremenets to the state property. the police say that despite the court decisions , the priests of the uoc for several months refused to hand over the premises of the architectural monument to the reserve. therefore, students and teachers were moved to premises prepared in advance, where they will be able to continue their studies. serhii zyubanenko, the head of the main department of the national police in the ternopil region, a police colonel, joins our broadcast. i congratulate you, thank you for joining. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, i

want to immediately ask about what investigative actions took place, who conducted them, because in the uoc they say that they knocked on the door of the seminary, where women were there, when those were sleeping, that they were being transported somewhere, can you tell us how this procedure took place, were there any violations of the rights of these people? the information released by the oc is distorted, because the police really worked, they worked that day at more than one facility, which concerns the st. nicholas cathedral in the city of kreminets, events really began there at 6 in the morning, the events were conducted by state officials, the police provided security . of public order, did not allow gross violations of public order, of course that some wanted a picture, but this picture did not work out, why, because we acted within the framework

of the current legislation, clearly, coherently , er, we really had to, we had a conversation with the citizens who were in the premises at that time, there were minors, so police psychologists, teachers were involved , they explained to the children what was happening, er, and those people who want to present this information in a different perspective, they knew that the police would work with the executive service, they were warned about this repeatedly , er, they failed to create a provocation, and i think that the assessment of this...' will really be given by society, because we must now act in the right field and definitely not allow

any provocations. serhiy, can you tell us what is happening now, whether there are any actions taking place on the territory of the pochayetsk lavra and where these female students, seminaries, were taken. we are now talking about the st. nicholas cathedral, it really is there. executors, described the property, accepted it for balance, and the police are now ensuring the protection of public order, after all these actions, there were no violations, that is, citizens knowingly understand that the police are acting in the right field and the cathedral has been transferred to the state property. mr. serhiy, if we talk about that, where were these female students transferred, or where is this happening, that is, they cannot be where they were before and are now in a temporary place of stay, or what? we prepare premises in advance that meet the standards where

citizens can stay. er, some, er, parents took their children home, who, others were transported, these premises were prepared in advance, they are equipped with everything, really not there were pictures because someone wanted to block this process, uh, tried to create uh, negativity, that it was very cold, that the police kicked the children out into the street somewhere, that didn't happen, we really... uh, even brought it food, hot tea, buses were offered, which were prepared, and everyone made a decision, someone went home, someone moved to another room, including, and the clergy themselves knew that this would happen, and they spoke the same way and prepared the same way and their premises and alternative ones, i.e. they left wherever,

we discussed with them in advance, so there are none here, well, that is, in this new premises, prepared in advance, no one receives them, they are free to choose where they should stay, of course, eh, we need to clarify, yes, the eviction itself took place in kremenets , in the seminary, and on the same day , the sbu conducted searches in pochayev, can you tell me in general, about the pochayev lavra, she works there all the time now, or whether investigative actions are taking place only in individual ones. premises, or in general, what is the situation there, look, we really have a number of criminal proceedings, we work together with the sbu, there are cases that are directly investigated by the security service of ukraine, there are such proceedings that are under investigation by the police, that is why the investigators worked in the same way yesterday, there is a planned process, during the investigation of these criminal proceedings we conduct investigative actions, this does not mean that they

were carried out on this particular day, because events were taking place regarding the execution of the court decision, this is planned work, and such investigative actions, including searches , were carried out more than once and not for the first time, simply the picture itself was created by those persons who were there, er, no one does the work of the investigation prevented, but they really wanted to make a picture and somehow combined these two events, this is not the case, this is not our first search, and i think that we will bring these cases to a logical end. not the last, so this may also be a continuation of searches in the near future? if it is necessary for this, if these investigative actions are necessary, of course, yes. i thank you, the suspicions have already been announced, not one person, not one, the clergyman who is in the lavra, the prosecutor of the ternopil region commented on this yesterday, and the

security service of ukraine, so i think that this work will be continued, i'm sure of it. mr. serhiy, thank you for participating, explaining the position of the national police, serhiy zyubanenko , head of the main department of the national police in the ternopil region, a police colonel, was a guest of svoboda ranok, we talked about the events, about the searches in the pechaiv lavra. on weekdays from 9 a.m., watch us on the radio svoboda youtube channel and also on espresso tv, you can ask your questions to the speakers of this live broadcast. in the comments below this video, and don't forget to subscribe and like if this content and these the programs are useful for you, my name is kateryna nekrecha and the whole freedom-morning team, we wish you a peaceful day and see you on monday.

congratulations on the news at eter espresso, kateryna shiropoyas works with you in the studio. our defenders of the sky destroyed almost two dozen enemy shaheds and one kh-59 guided air missile at night. in total, the occupiers launched 25 attack drones and two missiles over ukraine, the air force reported. russian invaders attacked southern and eastern ukraine with kamikaze drones. the launch was carried out

temporary bounded crimea and primorsky-akhtarsk.