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to the air and add victoria to our conversation zvarych, the ballet soloist of the lviv opera, who is hated by moskali, because she says. victoria, that tchaikovsky should be canceled in ukrainian ballet art. why victoria, now we will ask her, she decided to fight while her husband is fighting the russians, with weapons, she decided to fight on pointe shoes, and this is also a fight. ms. victoria, welcome to yours, you to ours. hello, thank you for the invitation, today we have an opportunity. enter information, access to which, for reasons known to all, has been hidden for some time, and so figures began to be revealed to us , about which we had not known before, but they created their schools, their teaching methods,

created their own ballets, and here we are only at the beginning of such research, but one can only imagine how much we still do not know, but from what we know, it can be understood that ukraine has its own ballet traditions, for example, in lviv, at the beginning of the 20th, at the end of the 19th century, there were its own schools of modern and classical dance, and precisely the graduates of these schools, such as daria nezhankivska, roma prima, barbara bitnernerna, they became the leading. consciences of major theaters of the world, in the usa, in canada, in poland. and yes, ukrainian ballet has been under the influence for a very long time, but despite this, we have our cultural roots, there is a foundation, there is

a huge potential for development in the future. maryna berezovska can be called an example of ukrainian cultural roots. she is the daughter of the world-famous artist georgy narbut, she is the co-founder of the australian western australian ballet, er, she is a representative of the ukrainian intelligentsia, she had a clear ukrainian position all her life, and not much information is known about her, everything we managed to find was found in the australian online library, from her... an interview she gave at such a respectable age , but you can understand that firstly, marina created her own teaching system, er, she created her own method of classical dance based on classical choreography and ukrainian,

ukrainian dances. second, marina criticized, alone, one of the first who dared to criticize russian ballet, to things, she said about it that russian ballet educates stereotyped dancers, because dance requires freedom in dance, but actually in russian ballet, due to the brutal system of training dancers, this freedom does not exist, and thirdly, marina focused on the english ballet school, and when she created her own teaching system, she is just the best. she also borrowed from the british, from her biography, we can say that she was born in 1914 and studied in kyiv, she studied at both an art school and a ballet school, in the 43rd,

together with her family, she moved to kolomyia and it is a very interesting fact that she created a ballet in kolomyia, in ukraine, in western ukraine there was a ballet in kolomyia, the truth is... it didn't last long, because they were all taken to germany, and already in germany, after the end of the second world war, in 1949, she and her family moved to australia, in fact, in australia, marina taught classical dance, folk dance, characteristic dance, she gave master classes all over the world, she had several touring troupes, one of which is... her called kolubok and toured the country with ballet performances , which she staged based on the works of ukrainian authors, that is , we did not have this, and marina was there in australia , she kept ukrainian culture, and all

her life she dreamed of going to the ukraine to ukraine, and her students realized such a dream when she was already there. age, she was given a trip to ukraine, and here she died at the age of 97, in 2011, having visited ukraine and leaving behind such... such a large piece of ukrainian ballet art, i can imagine how now burning, not only in moskals, but all those lovers of russian ballet, and when we are here, but victoria, you are doing a fantastic job, in fact, recently, colleagues celebrated the day of radio and television in ukraine, really , this studio was the first to launch the bolsheviks, went into kyiv, they overthrew the ukrainian national people's republic and started the first revolution. what are we celebrating, what a holiday, because in our country bolshevik propaganda has become lviv,

on the airwaves, well, we have other examples, we have lviv radio, lviv wave, for example, we have those hero djs who announced the independence of ukraine in the 41st year, they were immediately arrested two days later by the gestapo, one died, then in camps, german camps, or another story, recently also, the ternopil regional court, which you... understood, celebrated the creation of administrative economic courts that tsarist russia was in odessa in the 1920s, and you say, listen, and that austrian law never existed here in ternopil, there was no justice in life here, everyone was waiting for the arrival of tsarist russia, general brusilov from a breakthrough or something, it's just a misunderstanding of one's own roots, not understanding one's context, it kills, victoria, i know that i do not like russian narratives in their, for example, literate ones, this is what i understand, that i can read, for example, in dostoevsky, i see how the imperial coded there thinking or

imperial narratives, but how can it be in ballet, you say, i understand that the russians were terribly excited, or excited, by your interview, you say about it in your blog, the finnish publication, where you said that , that , for example, the same nutcracker, that there are also these narratives, i cannot see them, because i i understand, it's there, well, i read hoffmann's fairy tale, the beautiful lusunchik, and the first source, eh, there are no such narratives there, there is no russian world, like in choikovsky's? in fact, here it is important to understand that, tchaikovsky himself is a brilliant composer, there are no complaints about tchaikovsky's personality, but russia used him and uses him as its propaganda, that is, we cannot now listen to russian authors, we cannot now dance to... tchaikovsky, because tchaikovsky's country is

terrors and murderers and swans lake, nutcracker, there are many, i found, articles where, these were austrian publications, where they talked about, did, research about how russian, russian mozhanov residents, paid for just... tchaikovsky's performances paid for screenings, and this was already after a full-scale invasion , in order for the whole world to be flooded with their culture, and due to this, when you watch the swan lake ballet and see a swan, you think, my god, could this swan be from a terrorist country, well, that changes your mind about the country in general, and so they are they have been making these ballets all their lives, they are not just... then they were shown as a ballet , they invested in it in order to

make these ballets their own, their propaganda, where your blog can be found, let our viewers know maybe someone is interested, maybe someone takes a child somewhere to a ballet class , and there it is drilled into the child's head that russian ballet art is very great, and it is necessary to honor it, so that they know that, by the way, after all... this is the whole life of ukrainians artists were brought up by russians, because after graduation during the second world war, whole courses of graduates of the perm and vaganovsky schools were sent to us, and they grew up here and we grew up in their culture, it turns out that yes, you can find my blog on instagram and tiktok, as it is called, so that advertising, as -as? viktoriya zvary, viktoriya zvaryich , well, and you viktoria, you say that

these teachers were brought here in whole groups, i just remembered that i have some kind of association that those children who went to study ballet are the same as children who walked for example, to some kind of rhythmic gymnastics or, i don't know, figure skating, as a rule, all these coaches, for some reason, they spoke russian, i have such a memory from childhood, although i grew up... in the west of ukraine? yes, yes, yes, yes, well, it is, because these teachers, they come from russia, accordingly , they already continued here... even subconsciously it happened, but when i was studying, we were always equal, and we were always shown russian ballet, we aspired to be like them, instead there are many other schools, there is no worse, french, english school, that is, how can we say that the russian school is the best, if there was no competition in the ussr, we cannot know whether

it is good or bad, because we have nothing to compare it with, we know that it is the same, like me her french, there is english, there is an american school, so, yes, well, as always, just well , russian ballet, one way or another, at one time it was an imitation, and, in fact, of french ballet, and when it comes to us, when we are something european we perceive through the russian eastern occupier, it is very, very strange, but it is an old one it's a pity, ukrainian tradition, but it's definitely time to change it, which is interesting that the war still affects this change. in the world's attitude towards ukraine, we are now watching some french comedy, which was literally filmed in these years, and there is such a moment when they go out, parents with a girlfriend, with a daughter leave the theater and discuss some opera there, and negotiate between to themselves, they say, oh, how beautiful this austrian singer is, and someone else answers, yes, no, she is not from austria, but where is she from, she is from ukraine, oh, how beautiful

a ukrainian woman, that is, not a russian woman, the opera, which is also always from russia, because there is a big russian theater, and a ukrainian woman, so you are doing a great deal, first of all for the ukrainians, by the way, how do they react to your blog, because we already understood the russians , i have a very , very loyal audience, it is precisely this that inspires me to do some searches, to write to create some videos, because everyone is waiting a lot and always asking, can you please tell me more about the country, although it is not so easy , because... there isn't much gromation, you have to search, it's hard, but i adore my audience, victoria, i'll tell you yes, you are also inspiring, in fact , it was an absolutely inspiring story, a conversation , thank you very much for it, for what you do, by the way, well, we wish, we know that your husband is now a volunteer in the armed forces, to him, to him, to him success there, thank you very much, viktoriya zvarych, ballerina,

soloist of the ballet of the lviv opera, look for her blog on instagram, you can do the same. to follow as, as her name is viktoriya zvarych, and in tiktok, there she dispels all those myths that have long and boringly been hammered into our heads about the fact that the great russian ballet is unique, and about the fact that great russian art is higher, and there is nothing original ukrainian, as we can see, victoria even gave us such a small lecture that in fact there were ballerinas who nurtured the traditions of ukrainian ballet and they should be developed, and not to say that russian is the best, because there are other ballet schools and they must also be taken into account, dear friends, we are finishing our marathon little by little, andriy saichu, lesya vakulyuk worked in this studio for you, thank you for being with us, we will return to ether tomorrow at 7:10 and we will continue, you stay with espresso, what i want to say is, further on in espresso there will be my interview, which i took from a polish journalist who works in one of the largest

and most influential newspapers in poland, the election newspaper, as well as she works as a journalist , writes high heels for the magazine, this publication is for women and about women, not about which lipstick to choose, but about how women can win back their rights and what is worth fighting for, and actually, now we are watching what is happening on the border between ukraine and poland, and we see what the poles are doing there carriers and we see that the polish government, which has not yet changed, remains the same, what it is doing, how it does not react in any way and is not going to solve this situation in any way, so look, this is the same polish government. what did she do, for example, with polish women, for example, due to abortion bans, what happened to polish women later, how some of them simply died in hospitals because of these bans, then for your attention an interview with nataliya valoh, well, we we say good bye, see you tomorrow, fr 7:10 a.m.

also distinguished guests of the studio. we will have volodymyr ogrysko today, if all goes well. events of the day in two hours. big ether. vasyl's winter is a project for smart and caring people in the evenings with espresso. greetings, this is svoboda live on radio svoboda. we have already come to

the snake itself. the following shots may shock you. news from the scene, live. drone attacks, kamikaze. political analytics, objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season. exclusive interviews, reports. from the hottest points of the front. freedom life frankly and impartially. you draw your own conclusions. every day, every hour, every minute. welcome to espresso tv channel. my name is lesya vakulyuk and today i will speak with my polish. colleague , journalist, nataliya waloh, she works in one of the most famous and influential polish newspapers, the election newspaper, as well as in a magazine called tsozy obtsasy, in

ukrainian this name is translated as high heels, this magazine is actually published by the newspaper twabgowa, it is for women and about women, but not about how to choose the right lipstick color, and about what problems modern women face, and i was inspired to record this conversation by one comment during my other interview with another polish colleague , journalist slawomir szyrakowski, this comment sounded something like this, is it so important to talk about abortion in poland that a journalist, that is, i dedicate a separate question to this, i realized that ukrainians or ukrainian women, i don't know who wrote this comment, whether it was a viewer or a viewer, i don't remember, they don't fully understand what polish women live in, but i wanted to b to understood, because it was the polish women who were the ones, the polish men as well, but the women were

the driving force that at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, if you remember, they rushed to help the ukrainian women , at least this beautiful action, and what became known in ukraine, when poles left baby carriages at train stations. for ukrainian women who escaped the war, fleeing this war with their children. actually, who are these polish women, how do they live, who are they, and why is the issue of abortion so important in poland that it is discussed by polish politicians even during the formation of a coalition, all this will be with natalya valoh. greetings natalya, good day, congratulations, good day, congratulations, you already understand us a little. that you understand the ukrainian language a little, so you probably guessed what i was talking about, i also know that you wrote a lot about the war, about ukraine and ukrainian women, but

today our conversation with you will be about poland. so, who are the modern polkas, how does a polka from warsaw differ from a polka from, for example, a polish woman or a polka from gdańsk? but there is no doubt that in poland during the last years, when law and justice were in power , there were more common themes than before. that is, despite the fact that our life looks different in big cities and small towns, now poles have a lot in common. such solidarity between women in

poland, such as we say sisterhood. poles have a huge problem with institutions, there are no kindergartens, no. prices are very high, access to education and medical care looks very bad, but actually education is weak, and also basic women's rights are related to pregnancy, childbirth and abortion, these are the topics that unite polish women, and again, polish women from large cities can cope more easily with access to kindergartens, nurseries, and there is a better choice of doctors, and in smaller cities, women

it is more difficult, also because we take care of children, which is generally difficult because we are women, because in addition to taking care of children, women also often take care of sick and elderly people in their families, and here polish women also have a problem, so that there is no support from the state, no help from the state, in this connection there are many poles different, but unfortunately they all have the same problems. have a lot of common problems and a lot in common, you know, it is difficult for me to say that in order to be really responsible, because i have many ukrainian acquaintances, but again, these are only my acquaintances, and it is difficult to talk about ukrainians in general for me, but as far as i i know this topic, because, for example,

last year or so. at the same time in november, a women's congress was held in brussels dedicated to ukrainian women, ukraine and the war, as well as ukrainian feminism and the situation of ukrainian women. what i see is this the fact that both ukrainian and polish women constantly have a problem with patriarchy in the family, or with the male worldview, and you are now dealing with it perfectly, you are breaking all this very powerfully. there are many now. women in the ukrainian army - this is something that absolutely stuns the world, and i am convinced that this is something that will have a huge impact on ukrainian women for a long, long time after the war. nevertheless, the patriarchy in both ukraine and poland is still very strong, and i think that the fact that we cannot rest and just live is still in common between polish men and ukrainian women

in some... in the struggle, unfortunately, for one's position and for one's rights, this is my vision, but to what extent it is indicative, i do not know, in ukraine too, mothers, although very much, despite the fact that in ukraine there are indeed many women in the army now , still scandals break out from time to time, but i think that the war will really change this situation and a woman in the army will be perceived not as something strange, but as something normal, normal, but we are going to polls, elections, i was just there in poland and noticed how powerful the campaign was, which called on women go vote, skupiona? in general, the turnout was important to all of us,

we all in poland knew that the more citizens go to vote, the more chances will be eliminated. however, very disturbing research that is very much. the poles said that they would not go, or did not know if they would go, in any case did not show any desire to go, that is why there was such a wide process and such a huge campaign to get women to vote, and of course that campaign was aimed not only at those youngest poles. on the list

in general, and this was very important, because first, we know from research that women in poland are much more progressive than men. if someone wants to preserve the old patriarchal system, it is men, especially young people, on the other hand, women are much more progressive, so it was known that if more women go to vote, then the force that should overthrow the government, which has been destroying our country for so many years, will be powerful. in addition to the fact that the country does not deal with our affairs at all, women's affairs in the broadest sense, and we already know how much, if women will not vote, but also if women do not go to the diet and senate, then they will not be in power, and no one will deal with those matters, and now...