strike, you strike first, it's at the guardhouse, it's at the gopniks, but this is not an interstate level, and they violated this principle, which countries have established for decades, that gopnichestvo does not work at the level of geopolitics, he wants to change the world in terms of establishing the right of force , and there are some countries like china, as some countries want it, can support it, so this is about serious things, and that's why i warn now and then, against any sitting down with putin at the negotiating table, he will use it to his advantage the benefit is clear, that's why there are solutions like yours they said, somewhere over there, china and the usa, there they can regulate through support with resources, in plus or minus, it can be, and we need to be ready for it, can we ourselves pull out, the further level of confrontation with russia at such a high level, but in no case, never sit down with these... courtiers or

manipulators, pushers directly at the negotiating table, it will be a loss, in no case do not sit down for negotiations with putin, in no case shake his hand again , no one, never, well today they shook his hand, by the way, in the united arab emirates, he flew there and received the russian occupation flags, well, for us , the occupation flags hung in the capital. arab emirates, eh , but now i would like to ask you one more aspect about the war, because yesterday in the statement of the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia blanar, he blurted out, because he said about what or blanera, about what cannot be, in no, he does not imagine ukraine in the european union under the current circumstances and deciphered that the country is at war, how will we conduct these negotiations. and they say there is, this

a serious question, how will all this justify the proposal for membership, or the opening of negotiations on ukraine's membership in the european union, and to answer the question of how we can start negotiations with a country that is in a state of military conflict, we see that orban has stepped up and is starting to speak , to actively oppose the opening of negotiations with the ukrainian state, could the war waged by russia against us be the reason why slovakia and hungary did everything to prevent such a decision from being adopted, and the maximum to do in order for us not to be a member of the european union, well, in the long run, a member of the north atlantic alliance, a few questions, i will try briefly for each, first of all, the position of brussels and many eu countries differs from what the minister

of foreign affairs stated slovakia. he is a new person , so i just want to remind him that slovakia, when it joined the eu, also talked about being a lawyer for ukraine in the future, and thus the borders and the development of integration in the eastern direction will be strengthened. slovakia very much for a long time supported our european integration in terms of partnership, then associations, so there is one minister, and tomorrow there will be another. today you can agree with him, tomorrow ukraine will not be in the eu, that is, if he is talking about today's situation, then tomorrow ukraine will not be, negotiations must be held, it is for one year, is it possible to join during the war, well, there were difficult situations with croatia , there was a situation with cyprus, where nicosia did not control and does not control part of cyprus, but this did not stand in the way of the accession of cyprus, although the right of the european union did not applied in this part of the territory, that is, this statement is so-so, hungarian is a little

different, hungarians trade. the hungarians are bargaining for the funds of brussels and slovakia, maybe the new government thought, let's bargain, we'll pull from brussels. well, it's a very slippery slope, because the hungarians will now be blocked, they will block 11 billion from brussels and they will have a little trouble, what the slovaks want, they want to cut off their funds. therefore, you know, i respect every opinion, but i would very much like those countries that have already joined the eu to remember. like them went to this and to nato, and remembered what they said then, so we must realize that there are no friends forever, governments can change, in poland, for example, tusk's government is coming, tusk is a wise man, a man of the european type, he knows what european integration is and that , on the contrary, we can count on the warming of relations with poland, which is a little bit more difficult now due to the incomprehensible actions of the transition period, but what about countries

like orban, hungary, i i think that it is necessary here to think, well, what will happen next, because in many respects he also has some actions, for example, the purchase of more gas now. price, which is on average in europe, indicates that there are some obligations to moscow, it has personal ones, maybe it is a corrupt person or a corrupt group in the past, maybe they want to bargain with the eu, we will see, but the eu has his levers and he will not allow such a game all the time, the problem is that if one country, it will not block, if the number of countries increases by 2.4, if there the central european ones will enter. yes , it can become a difficulty, but on the way to european integration we will still go through a lot of such moments, in conclusion i will say this: in the future, no matter how unpleasant it is for us , our biggest blockers or countermeasures to our european integration will be poland, romania, and slovakia

, these are the countries that received the funds, well, romania to a lesser extent, but slovakia and poland and european union funds, because they compete with us in this area and these carriers are already competing for access to the market of the european union, our natural allies for european economic integration will be germany in the first place, britain is in the plan, well, it is not clear here, it will be support anyway, such countries, maybe france, so in terms of security, i think that poland, the baltic states, slovakia and hungary will be different. partly romania is very interested in strengthening our relations in the field of security, that is, it is not an easy picture here, and it will change, everyone thinks that all this will happen in a year or two, unfortunately, unfortunately, it it will take a long time, i would say that now the priority is security, if there is no decision on

the security model for ukraine in the next year, then promising after the end of the active phase of the war, then there will be no decisions on it. i am convinced of this, you have already mentioned about fitsu, the new slovak prime minister declared that ukraine is totally corrupt, and he says that it is the most corrupt country in the world, and he also doubts the need for an increase in the financial aid of the european union for it, well that is puts us on the carp, that is why we are not worthy to receive 50 billions of aid in 24-27 years, well, slovakia and hungary, they, mr. valery, are not only a problem of ukraine, right , it is a problem of the european union that there are countries that, in principle, in these conditions should

play by the rules of a single, single european family, the interests of the european union, and the fact that ukraine is part of this european family, i think no one is sad. there is no, and they constantly try to play against the european union itself, or is it the problem of the european union is more than the problem of ukraine, yes, because when these countries joined the eu, they undertook obligations, for example, a common foreign security policy, what they are doing now, they violate the single foreign policy of the european union , that is, can it automatically lead to them being excluded from, say, the eu, well, it's not beneficial for anyone, and it's not beneficial for us, in fact, to be honest, that is, we, i think that the political regimes in these countries will change , because the natural interest of hungarians, poles, there slovaks to be in a single european family, it is a big market, they will not

pull it separately, they do not have a common border with russia, that is, that is why these games are more like this, it is purely the style of political populists who want to catch a fish... here precisely in such dirty and murky water during the war, it is quite cynical, in fact dishonest, but well, we will have it not only in these countries, i think that in the next year we will see the complication of the situation, but the tassel of the european union is the core or the vision of development at all other brussels declares absolutely about other things, and many countries of the european union, you see how the position of germany has changed. well, it was absolutely not the same there two years ago as it is now, and this is a good signal, it is not only germany, which has reconsidered many things in foreign policy, it is also countries that are further away from us, even italy, there, spain in part, although to a lesser

extent, that is, we have to look at it as a process that can give us a window of opportunity in the future, well, how to work with these countries, you rightly said, that is the question, their problem is that we need to work with brussels, well, for example, it is obvious that when the poles, for example, mr. valery, we still have 20 seconds on the air, we need to work with brussels, because we are already in a state of association, and then we will move on to the negotiation process. thank you, mr. valery, it was politician and diplomat valery chaly, for a wonderful conversation, thank you again. let me remind you that we are working live and holding a vote today, we are asking you, friends, whether ukraine should make concessions for the sake of peace with russia. now let's see voting results, there are two numbers 0800-211-381 and 0800-211 82, 12% say that concessions should be made, 88% do not. attention,

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to the european union? how to find understanding with neighboring countries. we conduct surveys throughout the program. friends, today we ask you about this, should ukraine make concessions for peace with russia? yes, no, please vote on youtube and on tv, if you are sitting and watching our tv, please pick up your phone or smartphone and vote. if... you believe that ukraine should make concessions for peace with russia, your phone number is 0800 211-381, no, 0800 211-382. call, all calls to these numbers are free. today , the best political experts of ukraine are visiting us. volodymyr fisenko. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you. greetings, good evening, andriy smoliy. mr. andrii, i congratulate you. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, and vitaly kulyk should also join us. he

has not been contacted yet, but i hope that he will join our program. yes, mr. vitaliy, good evening, i am glad to see you on our broadcast, i congratulate you, gentlemen, let's start our conversation with a blitz poll, because we have been asking for two hours already, for the second hour we have been asking our tv viewers whether ukraine should make concessions for the sake of peace with russia, i will also ask you what you think about this, if ukraine can make concessions, what kind of concessions can these concessions be, and whether to accept at all... such a concession formula for the sake of peace, mr. vitaly, we will start with you , well it is obvious that any negotiations are compromises, at the moment it is not worth talking about any concessions, because we do not know all the xs and players of a possible negotiation process, such a negotiation process has not yet started, so what concessions we are talking about,

no progress, thank you, mr. andriy, we must understand now, in fact, the hot phase of the war is taking place, that is, the war has not gone anywhere, in fact, we see now that on the one hand , the russians are trying to advance somewhere, we are still trying to press and win back our territory, no negotiations are taking place, so i think that it is not worth talking about any concessions as of today, at least not at all, and in the end we have to understand that any global concessions, any things in principle that will happen. .. conventionally speaking, in favor of russia, this same terrorist state will simply use it against us, so we need to be very careful about it, and now i think, in principle, there is nothing to talk about, there is a war, and we must do everything to win the war and eventually make it ours the position was as strong as possible, as powerful as possible, even if there were

some theoretical negotiations in the future. thank you, mr. andriy, mr. volodymyr. first of all, it is necessary to understand that the interests of ukraine-russia, regarding the end of the war, in the absolute majority of issues, especially in matters of principle, are the status of the occupied territories, or, for example , the issue of security guarantees for ukraine, in particular our relations with nato, they are not can be the subject of negotiations and compromises, it is unacceptable for us to make concessions on the issue of the status of the occupied territories, we will not agree, for them to be recognized as russian, and russia will not give us anything, this is a key issue, there can be no compromise here, even theoretically, i think that also in the issue of nato, although i think that this will still be the subject of certain discussions, but i i think that a compromise is not possible here either, so in the future, when

it comes to some kind of negotiations, sooner or later, i think that the question will be only about the end of hostilities, about the cessation of hostilities, in particular air attacks, as well as about the exchange , full exchange of captives and those who is, let's say, hostage in russia, this, yes, this will be the subject of negotiations , and the last thing, in order for the war to end, russia still needs to be forced to peace, this is supposedly a russian formula, they invented coercion at one time to peace , but it will be necessary to force russia to make peace, there will be no peace just like that , but this should be remembered by all those who are now crying that it is necessary to go to negotiations, immediately, to agree on something, russia will not agree now, she will give us ultimatums, but we have to force russia to peace, a peace that will be acceptable to

us. thank you, mr. volodymyr, so, gentlemen, let's start our conversation with... with an unusual event that happened today in the suburbs of moscow, because a collaborator ilya kieva was shot there, and it was done by our special forces, well, at least the security service is involved of ukraine, everyone is talking about it, the body of the former people's deputy of ukraine was found in the village of suponevo, odentsovsky district of the moscow region, and it cannot help but rejoice, if it was on the day of the saint. did not sound, but the fact that the collaborators finally those who fled to russia get what they deserve, what do you think about what happened to kiva and how do you think this murder will affect the behavior of those who simply fled to russia and from there conduct their anti-ukrainian

activities, and the language it is not even about individuals, but probably about hundreds of people who were in the former government, and in the current government, were, i mean in the parliamentary government, but who crawled to russia and are hiding there, mr. andrii, what do you ? what do you think about everything that is happening now in the village of suponeva, odentsovsky district? well, if you rely on what was stated there, our, our official, yes persons, and our mass media, really, as far as i understand, this is a special operation of the ukrainian special services, by the way, if we are talking about the liquidation there, these collaborators, there are people who betrayed their country, who in the 14th year someone betrayed, someone a little later, but carried out moscow politics here, well, kiva is not the first, kiva

is not the last, that is, before that there was a whole series of such people, we we see how widows are liquidated, neutralized like this collaborators, by the way, not only collaborators, but also bright representatives of the army there, the terrorist state in the occupied territories, so... so this is a completely normal process, and it demonstrates to others that, as they say, there will be retribution, so we have to understand that there are a lot of such people, relatively speaking, indeed, you are absolutely right, hundreds, if not thousands, if we talk about the regional scale, about people who betrayed their country there at the local level, there are a lot of such people , but at least it's kiva, well this is a bright representative... a bright propagandist, who initially conducted pro-moscow propaganda for years here in ukraine, now he very actively participated in various

television, moscow platforms, yes, that is why his liquidation, and accordingly his neutralization, is a very good such bell and very a good demonstration to all these muscovites, to all the traitors who went to russia, and not only to russia, about the fact that, well, you must somehow understand, ukraine will defend itself, ukraine will demonstrate that it is ready, in fact, to follow the path of finding such persons, who every day flood the country that gave them citizenship, that they betrayed, so as for the behavior there, relatively speaking, these people in the future of other people, well, we understand well, they will also be on the hook for the hook . that is, people like kiva there and his ilk, they also have to work out the propagandistic things that are given to them there, or the fsb or other special services

of the russian federation, and of course, they essentially end up in such a situation that, on the one hand, they can be persecuted and can really be liquidated there on the ukrainian side, on the other hand, on the other hand, we have to understand that these people can also be liquidated by the russian side, for what is the propaganda purpose, that is , it has already happened more than once, when actually traitors, those people who essentially sided with the kremlin, they were also liquidated by the russian special services, for what? in order to show there, including from a propaganda point of view, what kind of fascists, bandera people, and so on, everything they do, yes, that is, this is also the same level, conditionally speaking, which one is, and these people will do well to continue practicing russian propaganda, because they understand that if they are not caught by the ukrainian

special services, then they can become an object, including russian intelligence services, if they don't do what they are told in the kremlin, because they are in fact complete puppets of the kremlin, they are completely dependent on the kremlin, and their lives are also dependent on the kremlin, respectively. they will not do what they are told in the kremlin, they will not be in the kremlin, that is, traitors are not liked anywhere and traitors eventually find themselves where kiva found himself today, where motorola found himself before that, where zakharchenko found himself, where these so-called fake deputies of the terrorist dnpr are constantly found, where kyril strymousov and other persons found themselves, we must understand , that ukraine will fight for its land and its security, well, we also have to understand that the rashists will eliminate and destroy.

those they either no longer need as scrap material, or whom they will use, whose death, or rather, they will use it for their propaganda purposes, well, kiva has already received his punishment from the ukrainian state, but there are many former associates of kyiv who continue to sit under the dome of the verkhovna rada of ukraine and feel at ease, why mr. vitaly, this is the responsibility for people like kiva , who were in the opposition platform during their lifetime, they came to them only when they leave the borders of the ukrainian state, or, well, shufrych, as far as i remember, was only convicted of treason and is sitting in sizo, and it is not his fault there proved in the court procedure, but this big fifth column in the ukrainian state, it is not calculated only 10 or 20 years.

opzh deputies in the verkhovna rada, because in the local elections there more than 4,000, if i am not mistaken, deputies of the opposition platform were elected for life, and in only a few local councils the membership of these deputies was suspended, and since they were oppositionists, they remain, if possible , i am a small comment regarding the reaction of the so-called criminal refugees in the moscow region. because we can already see in the telegram channels, as a whole form of hysteria what is happening with a fellow member who is now co-existing as a political comment, he is already asking for protection for himself urgently, we see how some of our former colleagues, who suddenly became politically ill, refused to broadcast today and tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, were scared, fear, that's the reaction for today's event - is it really panic fear, fear?

for the fact that they will come any minute, i hope that they should come not only for the seagulls, like the kiva type, but also for sivkovich, for azarov, for the people who directly led to the possibility of invasion and annexation ukrainian territories. regarding the punishment of the current members of the verkhovna rada, yes, i agree that this is a big under-development, but rather that now they are not directly responsible... the remnants of the opzh faction, due to the fact that they are part of the voting machine of the verkhovna rada, since this the group votes as the servants of the people vote, accordingly they are part of the modern monomajority in the labki, they are situational allies of the servants of the people, moreover, in some cities, representatives of the former opzh party formed the so-called affirmative majority

city ​​councils that are based on the same servants of the people and entered the executive committees, of course, that they drew up their mandates, drew up their party tickets, left the factions, and even before the official ban of the opposition bloc, opzh, and other currently banned political parties, but evil is not punished, therefore, in my opinion, the best option from this situation, in order to create a purification of our political system, was a possible lustration of representatives not only of the deputies of the verkhovna rada body, to which they belonged, were elected on the lists of the opzh, but also of local deputies, councils, candidates in deputies from banned political parties, members of commissions from the precinct to the central election commission, from banned political parties, if they are registered, then we can really talk about the partial cleansing of our politics. from the russian

fifth column, but this is not yet in the interests of the ruling power, which is trying in every way to slow down or prevent the adoption of this lustration bill, by the way, several versions of this bill are registered in the verkhovna rada, the servants are not giving them the go, maybe they are interested in preservation of cloths opzh and joint voting, effective voting verkhovna rada. mr. volodymyr, what happened to kyiv a month ago almost happened to oleg tsarev, or rather it did not happen, although we remember seeing tsarev after february 24, 2022 in the kyiv region, he was brought to as i understand it, either make someone there the executive director of ukraine, or i don't know how it is possible.