a system that will help distinguish where the enemy planes are and where our planes are, and this system is very important for the ukrainian air villages, and if they wanted to equip all of our air spaces with the same system, so a lot of people came to support roman chervinsky, after the court's decision, they shouted shame, also between them, between people and prosecutors sometimes quarrels arise, like between prosecutors and lawyers, but today we have such a decision, and roman chervinskyi will continue to stay in sizo. let me remind you that he is suspected of allegedly being himself exceeded his authority, which led to the shelling of the kanatove airfield in the kirovohrad region, sergiy, thank you. dmytro, what is next, that is, what, what is the next development of events, that is, the lawyers will appeal again, they will appeal to the court again, the court

will again consider new details, new materials, including the letter of the employee, which is obviously the content was not disclosed at the court hearing, but apparently the judges will take into account the arguments of the chief of the armed forces of ukraine. yes, serhiy, the prosecutors have read the letter of the solicitor, it should be more detailed will investigate what exactly was meant. since it was very, you know, you know, vague, it was not clear where the question was, where the answer was given by the chief himself, and so on, the lawyers say that they will continue to file appeals so that roman chervynskyi is released from custody, since the prosecutors are constantly continuing the pre-trial investigation in this case, and roman chervinskyi has been in custody for more than 8 months, more than 200 days, i apologize. thank you , dmytro, for the inclusion, it was dmytro diduk. he joined from the court of appeal

of the city of kyiv, the court kept spy roman chervinskyi in custody, well , we continue our program, today, let me remind you, three people's deputies of ukraine, yevhennia kravchuk, mykhailo tsymbalyuk and rostislav pavlenko, are visiting us, here we are in the chervinsky style heard, such operational information, perhaps, gentlemen, you will comment, or mr. symballiuk or mr. pavlenko, what about what is happening around the spy roman chervynskyi and how long the court can decide whether to keep him in custody or change precaution. mr. mykhailo, please, it is very difficult to comment, because the court case is really ongoing, and i do not know the materials of the pre-trial investigation, but to say the least. in general, it is very unfortunate when

a military man is tried during martial law, this is a bad example and a signal for all other military personnel and representatives of special services who plan to conduct counterintelligence and other measures during martial law, and these special operations do not always end. success, because, i think, many of them, looking at this meeting, one wonders whether in the event of a failure in the planning of an operational and military operation, whether it may not affect them in the future, that is, such a trial, i hope that the court, together with the pre-trial investigation, the investigators will establish the truth and take into account all the circumstances, in why is colonel chervinsky suspected, i would like justice to prevail as soon as possible. thank you, mr. general, mr.

rostislav, what do you say about this? well, first of all, i agree with mr. mykhailo that such lawsuits are very negative affect the actual motivation and special service of the officers in general, and the second thing i would like to say is that, as far as is known, mr. chervinskyi has quite serious health problems, it seems to me that it would in no way hinder either the investigation or the court, that , so that he would be relieved of the preventive measure that the lawyers actually ate, and, well, i would very much like that these factors were also taken into account, because otherwise, there is indeed a suspicion that there is a certain prejudice against him, we remember his political statements, where the office of the president, his leadership in in the context of wagner's affairs, that's why i still really want the review to be... as

objective as possible, so that things like health and things like the influence on the motivation of other intelligence officers and special services would be taken into account. thank you, mrs. evgenia, maybe you. will add a few words to this message from our correspondent, because, well, it is clear that the public's attention is focused on this case, and someone perceives it as part of some political story, someone there is talking about the office of the president of ukraine, so that in no case do we put pressure on court, but i think you can you just say a few words about it, well, i can only add to what my colleagues said, that it is very important that we all believe in the judicial system and make reforms so that there is trust in the court, because especially in such , well, the issues to which society's attention is focused, there must be trust in the judicial

system, and actually the verkhovna rada is precisely focused on making all the necessary decisions in order for the judicial reform to be completed, to be elected... those judges, there are not enough of them there, yes, especially in the appellate chambers, and in the first one as well instance, and in general there was trust in the judicial system. thank you, ms. yevgenia, let's go back to what is happening in the united states of america, because in fact, the allocation of funds for ukraine is quite important, as andriy yermak, head of the office of the president of ukraine, ukraine without aid said. the united states can lose a war with russia, it's not a figure of speech, mr. general, when yermak talks about what could happen, it's a reality and we'll have to live with it, right? well, i would like to say that

it is important that representatives of the ukrainian authorities are working washington, i agree with mr. yevgeniy that, as it seems to me, today. the emphasis should still be considered in the fact that the ukrainian authorities are finally taking steps together with international partners regarding the joint production of weapons, including ammunition, including on the territory of ukraine, this is what the government should have been doing, by the way, not only these two years, and as early as 2014 , all ukrainian governments should have realized that they still need to think and rely on themselves, defend their national interests, but it is very positive that our partners, first of all, the united states will help, including by transferring military technology, this is the first time, by the way, this is a very serious step, and if we talk about the allocation of funds, i am not

an expert in international politics, ms. evgenia, she is actually an expert in this regard, but it seems to me that it is necessary to... talk not only about ukraine, or not only about ukraine, because israel and taiwan became hostages, and in general, it seems to me that this is an internal political struggle of the united states, and i really want to believe that that by the end of this year or by christmas like this some representatives of both chambers promise that it will still be possible to allocate funds for ukraine, and andriy borysovich yermak's statement is actually extremely serious, and this, he officially stated, is a signal not only for us, first of all a signal to the partners that the whole

healing process, the two-year struggle, it may be called into question, and when our partners... help with weapons and funds, the ukrainian people pay the highest price, with human lives, because of this , the representatives of both eh have to hear the signal parties, and ukraine and was proud of the fact that we felt two-quarter support as a state these two years. thank you, mr. mykhailo, mr. rostislav, please tell me if it was possible at all. ukrainian authorities to avoid such a situation , or in principle, in this situation, have we become hostages of the fact that the republicans need to build a fence, or build a security system there on the border with mexico, and well, well, we

just fell into these scissors, event scissors, and these events needed now can delay the provision of 61 billion dollars to us. look, well, in order not to comment really the policy of the united states, i will say that we need to do everything in ukraine in order, first of all, to use all the resources. opportunities available to the ukrainian state, to ukrainian politicians, to ukrainian society, it is said that here the efforts of all political forces should be united, and instead of creating artificial obstacles to participation, on the contrary, it is necessary to support the fact that all representatives, and poroshenko, and representatives of other political forces, could participate in these negotiations, hold meetings and show, i think that colleagues here absolutely they will not let you lie, because everyone is involved in one way or another in the delegations, speak with one voice,

the voice of ukraine and show from different sides, from different positions, that ukraine needs to be supported with money, weapons, and technologies. the second is the involvement of representatives of civil society, experts who would speak with the relevant representatives, and today there was a meeting of representatives of the all-ukrainian council of churches. with people's deputies, where representatives of churches and religious organizations talked about their trip to the united states, which appears to be quite fruitful, and the necessary signals have been delivered, and thirdly, that ukraine should by all means avoid any things that , unfortunately, will be used by skeptics, in order to leak out, in order to support this absolutely false postulate about the fact that ukraine is allegedly not ready for integration or that ukraine does not deserve help must be refuted, but we

have no right to give grounds for skeptics to use this against us, to force our allies to seek some kind of explanation instead of jointly with us to lead in offensive diplomacy in a good sense. i know that deputies from your faction were supposed to be in the united states of america these days, but they didn't get there, that is. could it somehow help her ukrainian delegation , which is large, as far as i understand, which is currently working in washington, in some way, or in principle , their presence there, well, it is understood, would not affect what is happening in the senate in any way and in congress? well , again, this would definitely be an additional argument for ukraine and, for example, an influential international one the democratic union, which unites, incidentally , conservative politicians, republicans, instead of commenting on this situation with poroshenko and other european

solidarity deputies not leaving, could focus precisely, together precisely precisely with our delegation, to focus on the fact that it is necessary to support ukraine, regardless of any what are the domestic political issues in the united states. ms. yevgenia, the fact that there are no representatives of european solidarity somehow affects what is happening in yours. washington's corridors of power, because we see there, yermak v washington, umerov and the speaker of the parliament stefanchuk, european solidarity says that there is some selectivity with the release abroad of the deputies of their faction? well, the speaker, the ukrainian parliament can definitely represent the ukrainian parliament, because that's what he's the speaker of, he can. i have no doubt that the speaker should represent, yermak should represent, and umero should represent, and the fact

that there are no european solidarity deputies there somehow affects the decisions that are then taken by the american side, well, there is no other deputy near the speaker from any other faction, so it was actually a meeting with mike johnson, that is , it was the speaker, yes, and obviously it had to be at that level, and the delegations in general, of course, they have to be, as they say, cross-party, yes, multi-party , and we have to speak with one voice, and as for me, traveling around the districts, different yes, but the districts, yes in the states, it was necessary a year ago, and it is worth continuing, i can only welcome this idea, to go further than washington, i was not a participant... delegations, i was in europe, i worked as the head of the committee of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe. thank you,

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if you are watching us now on tv or on youtube, yes 0800-211-381 we need to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine no. 0800-211-382. call, all calls are free for you, on youtube, well, everything is quite simple there, you either choose the function yes or no, or write what you think about the mobilization. today we are guests of verdict, people's deputies of ukraine, rostyslava pavlenko, yevhennia kravchuk and mykhailo tsimbalyuk, and ladies and gentlemen, let's continue our conversation about perception and our negotiations with those countries that will determine our european and euro-atlantic future, because during the last few days there were several statements from the mouths of the leaders of slovakia and hungary, robert fico,

the prime minister of slovakia, said that he had excluded supplies of... weapons and ammunition from state warehouses and the army, we do not believe in a military solution to the conflict in ukraine, because it only leads to unnecessary bloodshed without results, while the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia said that, you see, there is already a war going on there, why open for ukraine's door, well, let them somehow solve their issues there for the time being, then we will think about whether to start negotiations with ukraine regarding joining the european union at all, we know that there should be a decision on the start of negotiations with ukraine, literally in a week, and viktor orbán said to the prime minister of hungary, there is an expectation that on this occasion the european council can and must approve the decision to start negotiations on accession with

ukraine and to revise the multi-year financial framework for 21-27 years in view of the current the level of political and technical preparations, these expectations are not justified, i understand that both orban and fitso suggest postponing this issue. ms. yevgenia, how do you assess what is being said in hungary and slovakia regarding the european future of ukraine, and is it only a problem for ukraine, or is it not a problem for the entire european union? well, it seems to me that this is possible now. to say such a stellar time for orbán, because everyone is calling him, everyone, everyone is inviting him to a meeting, and macron wants to talk to him, to convince him, there was, there was a call with the prime minister of spain or meetings even, charles michel also interrupted his trip to china, or rather ended it earlier,

to talk, of course, that such leaders of countries will use it, in order to solve their issues there regarding the allocation funds from brussels and so on, is it somehow guaranteed that we will receive on december 14-15. a political decision, well, it is still in the process, and in fact now there are a lot of involved diplomats and everyone who can talk to european partners, because of course that it will be, well, let's say this, certain a challenge to other leaders, to all other countries of the european union, who say, yes, we are ready, but there is the right of veto, and this right of veto is used by countries such as hungary, first of all, what should we do as a state, as a parliament, and well, i don't i won't be there , i won't name the dates, but in the near future , we have to vote on those laws that will close

the issue of superminorities and there is already a consolidated decision, and here my colleague rosyslav pavlenko was more involved in this process, because he educational committee, but there is a consolidated one the decision of all factions, where we will fulfill absolutely all our obligations under the charter of the regional language charter and the languages ​​of the european union, because it is primarily hungary, romania that raises the issue of the nadzlenshyn, but also absolutely, we will protect the ukrainian language and prevent any which is ever russification, we have to do everything that depends on us on anti-corruption reforms, there is sap, nabu, nazk, everything that we will vote in time so that there are no questions for us, and when our lawyers are inside the european council said yes ukraine, you have done everything, what you include some political levers, this is something not

according to the criteria, but who, who advised you to stop ukraine from joining the european union. thank you, ms. yevhennia, mr. rostyslav, i understand that you have already developed, as ms. kravchuk said, some basis for...' to find an understanding, well, with hungary, in particular, we are talking about teaching in the hungarian secondary school languages ​​and subjects, which are in the ratio of 70 to 30, now, as i understand it, 70 and 30 ukrainian, the language of national minorities, what, what is currently offered to hungarians, well there are two draft laws, mrs. yevheni said absolutely correctly, a working group with representatives of all factions worked here, i console...' on the decision, which above all guarantees and protects the ukrainian interest, it puts a reliable veil of russification, because there were many complaints from experts, that under the guise

of european integration , the issue of russian-speakingness may raise its head there again, the revenge of some russian position, there will be no such thing, it is strictly prescribed that this does not concern the state. recognized by the state as an aggressor, instead mechanisms for languages ​​of the eu member states, in particular with regard to education, those who entered before the age of 18 complete their studies under the conditions under which they entered, and another law provides precisely the opportunities for obtaining education, in particular in their language, you are right about the proportions , but all the same, the ukrainian language has to be studied in the ukrainian language, and everywhere in the laws there are positions regarding the expansion of the study of the ukrainian language while guaranteeing it on the basis

of the european union of languages, actually the eu countries, this decision, because it is also based on european practices and european legislation should satisfy hungarian colleagues, so if we hear any complaints, they are more related to the local ones. with the fact that, as was said , orbán's transparent time, he is really trying to get the most out of the situation, but here you know, there will already be a question for the european union, to what extent brussels will allow itself to be blackmailed like this, and whether the time has come to take advantage of the decision of the european parliament adopted a couple of weeks ago, that there are few key decisions would be approved by a qualified majority, and it seems to me that here... such an uncompromising position of hungary may well push the european union to the long-awaited internal reform. well, considering the fact that hungary itself receives large subsidies from

the european union. union, and orban is fighting for this, too, not just to prevent ukraine from entering there, but because there is a lot of money at stake, mr. mykhailo, orban and fitso, and maybe someone else will emerge in the process of our accession to the european union , how do you think, ot our neighbors will understand that we are also a european state and have the right to this, or will they... engage in speculation and bargain for the best, considering the fact that ukraine will try to join the european union, and the european union will also try to take unfortunately, they will take ukraine to themselves, but will it help them , colleagues rightly said, it will not be a problem only for ukraine, including our european partners and the european union as an institution, which they also need

to carry out reforms. because one or two cannot state simply to dictate the agenda to others, that is, it is clear, moreover, if we speak in slovak, we are grateful to the slovak people and the previous government, because in fact they helped us, they helped us with weapons , including airplanes, albeit of the soviet model, now they, if in reality, as military experts say, they no longer have anything to share , and the current prime minister has always stood out with such a pro-russian position, according to orbán, there is nothing to talk about at all, it is clear, russia and putin are doing everything to influence on situation, including through europe, and this is actually a problem, but i believe and faithfully support my colleagues that it is important for ukraine to complete its homework, i

am sure that we have a week or a half left to complete everything homework , then the ball is in the court of our european partners. i don't think there will be any surprises, because today, ukraine is needed by europe, the european union, with its position, its military experience, and the armed forces of ukraine demonstrate daily that, in fact, it is a military... formation is the army is already a nato model and our victories are the victories of the entire european union and the victories of nato. thank you, mr. mykhailo, thank you to mykhailo tsimbalyuk, evgenia kravchuk and rostislav pavlenko for participating in the program. i was glad to see you all together. and let me remind you that during our broadcast, friends, we conducted a survey and asked you about whether it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine,

now we will see what the results of our telephone survey are, since we conducted a telephone survey and asked you about this, 81 % of those who voted believe that it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine, 19% believe that it is not necessary, we also had a vote on youtube and we have a ratio of 71 to 20 9. that is, 71% of people believe that it is necessary to strengthen, 29% believe that it is not, these are the results of today's survey, friends, and this is the verdict program today, i say goodbye to you, until 20:00, we will meet you, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye.

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