whether to keep him in custody, or to change the preventive measure, mr. mykhailo, please, it is very difficult to comment, because the court case is really ongoing, and i do not know those materials, the pre-trial investigation, but if i say in general, it is very unfortunate when a military man is tried during martial law, it is a bad example and a signal for all other military personnel and representatives of special services who plan to conduct counterintelligence and other measures during martial law, and these special operations do not always end in success, due to the fact that, i think, many of them, looking at this court session, are wondering whether in the event of a failure of the planning of an operational and military operation, whether it may not affect the future actions. that is, such a trial, i hope

that the court, together with the pre-trial investigation, the investigators will establish the truth and take into account all the circumstances in which colonel chervilskyi is suspected, i would like justice to prevail as soon as possible. thank you, mr. general, mr. rostislav, what do you say, do you do it? well, first, according to by mr. mykhailo in that, er,... such lawsuits have a very negative effect on the actual motivation and the officers of the special services in general, and the second thing i would like to say is that , as far as is known, mr. chervinskyi has quite serious health problems , it seems to me that neither the investigation nor the court would be hindered in any way by the fact that his preventive measure was mitigated, which was actually requested by the lawyers, and well... i would like

these factors to be taken into account as well, so that otherwise there is a suspicion that there is something here certain prejudice against him, we remember his political statements there regarding the office of the president, his leadership in the context of the wagner case, so we still really want the review to be as objective as possible and that things like health and things like the influence on the motivation of other intelligence officers and special services would be taken into account. thank you. thank you, ms. evgenia, maybe you could add a few words to this message from our correspondent, because it is clear that public attention is focused on this case, and someone perceives it as part of some of political history, someone there is talking about the office of the president of ukraine, so that in no case should we pressure the court, but i think you can just say two or two words about it, well, i can only add to what my colleagues said: that it is very important that we all believe in

the judicial system and make reforms so that there is trust in the court, because trust in the judicial system, and the verkhovna rada itself, is especially focused on such issues, to which society's attention should be focused on making all the necessary decisions for that the village was completed. reform, so that those judges who are lacking there were elected, yes, especially in the appeals chambers, and in the first instance, and in general there was trust in the judicial system. thank you , mrs. yevgenia, let's go back to what is happening in the united states of america, because actually the allocation of funds for ukraine is quite important, as andriy yermak, the head of the office of the president of ukraine, said in... ukraine without

the help of the united states of america can lose the war with russia, it's not a figure of speech, mr. general, when yermak speaks about the fact that this can be, this is the reality and with which we will have to live, right? well, i would like to say that it is important that representatives of the ukrainian authorities are working in washington, i agree with ms. yevgenia that it seems to me... today , the emphasis should still be on the fact that the ukrainian authorities are finally taking steps together with international partners regarding the joint production of weapons, including ammunition, including on the territory of ukraine. this is what the government should have been doing, by the way, not only these two years, but also in 2014 all ukrainian governments should have realized that it is still necessary... to think and

rely on themselves, to defend their national interests, but it is very positive that our partners, first of all the united states, will help in this... including by transferring military technologies, by the way, this is the first time, this is a very serious step, and if we talk about the allocation of funds, i am not an expert in international politics, ms. evgenia, she is actually an expert, and in this regard, but it seems to me that there should be talk not only about ukraine, or not only about ukraine, because both israel and taiwan have become hostages, and in general, it seems to me that this is an internal political struggle in the united states, and i really want to believe that by the end of this year, or by christmas, as some representatives of the uh chambers of each other, that

it will still be possible to allocate funds for ukraine, and the statement of uh, andrii borisovych, yermak is actually extremely serious, and this... he officially stated, as a signal not only for us, but primarily a signal for partners, that this whole struggle, a two-year struggle, it can become is in question, and when our partners help with weapons and funds, the ukrainian people pay the highest price, with human lives, that is why these... representatives of both parties have to hear the signal, and ukraine was proud of the fact that we experienced a two-party system for these two years support as a state. thank you, mr. mykhailo, mr. rossislav , please tell me whether

the ukrainian authorities were able to avoid such a situation at all, or in principle, in this situation, we have become hostages to the fact that the republicans need to... build a fence or build a system there security on the border with mexico and well, we just got into these scissors event scissors and these event scissors can now delay the provision of 61 billion dollars to us? look, in order not to really comment on the politics of the united states, i will say that in ukraine we need to do everything in order to... firstly, use all the resources and opportunities available to the ukrainian state, to ukrainian politicians, to ukrainian society, it is said that the efforts of all political forces should be united here, and instead of creating artificial obstacles for participation, it is necessary

on the contrary, to support the fact that all representatives of poroshenko and other political forces could participate in these negotiations and hold meetings. and to show, i think that my colleagues here absolutely will not let us lie, because everyone is involved in one way or another in the delegations, to speak with one voice, the voice of ukraine, and show from different sides, from different positions, that ukraine needs to be supported with money and weapons and technologies, the second is the involvement of representatives of civil society, experts who would talk with the relevant ones representatives , today there was a meeting of representatives of the all-ukrainian council of churches with people's deputies, where representatives of churches and religious organizations talked about their trip to the united states, which seems to be quite fruitful and the necessary signals were delivered, and thirdly, that ukraine should avoid any things that, unfortunately, will

be used by skeptics, in order to leak out, in order to support this absolutely false postulate that... allegedly ukraine is not ready for integration or there ukraine does not deserve help, this must be refuted, but we have no right to give it in any way, it would definitely be an additional argument for ukraine and, for example, the influential international democratic union, which unites , by the way, conservative politicians, including republicans, instead of commenting on this situation with poroshenko and other deputies of european solidarity not leaving, he could focus precisely together with our delegation on the fact that it is necessary to support ukraine, regardless of any domestic political issues of the united states. ms. yevgenia, the fact that there are no representatives of european solidarity somehow affects what is happening in

washington, in the corridors of power, because we see yermak in washington, umerov and the speaker of the parliament stefanchuk, so... european solidarity says that some is there selectivity with the release abroad of deputies of their faction? well, the speaker of the ukrainian parliament can definitely represent the ukrainian parliament, because he is also the speaker, i have no doubt, i have no doubt that the speaker has to represent, yermak has to represent, and umerov has to represent, and the fact that there are no european solidarity deputies there somehow affects the decisions that are then made by the american side, well, there is no other deputy from any other faction near the speaker, so it was actually a meeting with mike johnson, that is... it was the speaker of the house of representatives and

obviously it should have been at this level, and the delegations in general, of course they should be, as they say in crosspath, so multi-party, and we should speak as one voice, and as for me, it was necessary to travel to different districts, both districts and states, a year ago, and it is worth continuing, i just... i welcome this idea to go further than washington. i was not a member of these delegations, i was in europe, working as the head of the committee of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe. thank you, ms. evgenia, after a short break, ms. taanova, we will return to our studio, i will tell our viewers, do not switch, we will talk more about orban and our path to the european union. joint problems are limiting movement is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with

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friends, this is the verdict program, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, today we talk about world politics and how the decisions in washington, hungary, and slovakia will affect and affect our lives. let me remind you that in the course of our program we are conducting

a survey, we are asking you today whether it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine. so there are two phones... you see phone numbers on your screens, if you are watching us now on tv or on youtube, yes 0800 211 381 we need to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine, no, call 0821 382, ​​all calls are free for you, on youtube everything is quite simple there, you either select the function yes or no, or write what you think about the mobilization. people's deputies of ukraine rostyslav pavlenko, yevgenia kravchuk and mykhailo tsimbalyuk are guests of verdict today, and ladies and gentlemen, let's continue our conversation about perception and our negotiations even with those countries that will determine our european and euro-atlantic future, because

during the last few days there were several statements from the mouths of the leaders. slovakia and hungary. robert fico, the prime minister of slovakia, said that he had excluded the supply of weapons and ammunition from state warehouses and the army. we do not believe in a military solution to the conflict in ukraine, because it only leads to unnecessary bloodshed without results. at the same time, the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia said that, you see, there is already a war going on there, why should we open for of ukraine. the door, well, let them sort out their issues there for the time being, then we will think about whether to start negotiations with ukraine on joining the european union at all, we know that there should be a decision on the start of negotiations with ukraine, literally in a week, and viktor orban, what the prime minister

of hungary said, there is an expectation that on this occasion the european council can and must. to approve the decision to start accession negotiations with ukraine and review the multi-year financial framework for 21-27 years in view of the current level of political and technical preparations, these expectations are not justified. i understand that both orbán and fitso suggest postponing this issue after all. mrs. yevgenia, how do you generally assess what is being said in hungary and slovakia regarding the european future of ukraine? and is this only a problem of ukraine, or is it not a problem of the entire european union? it seems to me that this is now such a golden time for orbán, because everyone is calling him, everyone is inviting him to meetings, macron wants to talk to him, to convince him, there was a call from the prime minister of spain or from ostrich

even, charles michel also interrupted his trip to... china, or rather, ended it earlier to talk, of course, that such leaders of countries will use it to solve their issues there regarding the allocation of funds from brussels and so on, is it somehow guaranteed that we will receive a political decision on december 14-15, well, this is still in the process, and in fact now there are a lot of diplomats involved and... and everyone who can speak with european partners, because of course it will be, well, let's say certain, a challenge to other leaders of all other countries of the european union, who... say, yes, we are ready, but here is the right of veto, and this right of veto is used by countries such as hungary , first of all, what should we do as

a state, as a parliament , and i won't be without it, i won't name the dates, but in the near future we have to vote on those laws that will close the issue of national minorities as well, and there is already a consolidated decision, and here it is, colleague. rostyslav pavlenko was more involved in this process, because he is from the educational committee, but there is a consolidated decision of all factions, where we will fulfill absolutely all our obligations under the regional charter, the language charter and the languages ​​of the european union, because it is primarily hungary and romania that raise the issue of national minorities, but we will also absolutely protect the ukrainian language and prevent any ever. fication, we have to do everything that depends on us on anti-corruption reforms, there is sap, nabu, nazk, everything that we will vote in the near future so that there are no questions for us, and

when our lawyers are inside the european the soviets said, ukraine is all you, well , you have done everything, what you include some political levers, this is something not according to the criteria, but who, who advised you to stop ukraine from joining the european union? thank you, ms. evgenia, sir. slava, i understand that you have already worked out, as mrs. kravchuk said, some basis for finding an understanding, well, with hungary, in particular, we are talking about teaching the hungarian language in secondary schools and subjects, which in proportion there are 70 per 30, now, as i understand it, ukrainian 70 and 30 in the language of national minorities, what, what now offered to hungarians? well, there are two draft laws , mrs. evgenia said absolutely correctly, a working group with representatives of all factions worked here, as a consolidated decision, which

above all guarantees and protects ukrainian interests, it puts a reliable veil of russification, because there were many complaints from experts that under the guise of european of integration , the issue of russian-speaking may raise its head there again. revenge for some russian position, there will be no such thing, it is strictly prescribed that this does not apply to states recognized as an aggressor state, instead the mechanisms for the languages ​​of the eu member states are prescribed, in particular with regard to education, those who entered before the age of 18 finish their studies under the conditions under which they entered, and another law provides precisely the opportunities for... obtaining an education, in particular in their language , you are right about the proportions, but all the same, the ukrainian language must be studied, the subjects of the ukrainian language must

be studied, and everywhere in the laws there are positions regarding the expansion of the study of the ukrainian language while guaranteeing it on the basis of the european union of languages ​​of the eu countries. it decision, as it is based on both european and european practices. the legislation should also satisfy hungarian colleagues, so if we hear any complaints, they are more related to local politics and, as was said, orbán's transparent time, he is really trying to get the most out of the situation now, but here you know, there will already be a question for the european union, to what extent brussels will allow itself to be blackmailed like this, and whether the time has come to take advantage of the decision. parliament adopted a couple of weeks ago, about that the key decisions should be made by a qualified majority, and it seems to me that here such an uncompromising position of hungary

may well push the european union to the long-awaited internal reform. well, taking into account the fact that hungary itself receives large subsidies from the european union, and orbán is also fighting for this, not just to keep ukraine out of it, but because there is a lot of money at stake, mr. mykhailo , orban and fitso, and maybe someone else will emerge there in the process of our entrance into the european union union, how do you think, will our neighbors understand that we are also a european state and have the right to this, or will they engage in speculation and bargain for the best, taking into account the fact that ukraine will... try to enter the european union and the european union will also try to take ukraine to itself, well, unfortunately, they will, but whether it will help them, that is what my colleagues rightly said. this

will not be a problem only for ukraine, including our european partners and the european union as an institution, which they also need to carry out reforms, because they cannot one or two states simply dictate the agenda to others, that is, it is clear. moreover, speaking in slovak, we are grateful to the slovak people and the previous government, because in fact they helped us, they helped us with weapons, including airplanes, albeit soviet ones. model, now they, if they are really , as they say, military experts, no longer have anything to share, and the current prime minister has always stood out with such a pro-russian position, according to orban, there is nothing to talk about at all, it is clear, russia and putin are doing everything for to influence the situation, including through europe, and this is actually a problem,

but i believe... and i truly support my colleagues that it is important that ukraine completes its homework, and i am sure that we have already there is a week or a half left to complete all the homework, then the ball is in the court of our european partners. i do not think that there will be any surprises, because today ukraine is needed by europe, the european union, its own. position, their military experience, and the armed forces of ukraine demonstrate daily that in fact, this is a military formation, it is already a nato model army, and our victories are the victories of the entire european union and the victories of nato. thank you, mr. mykhailo, thank you to mykhailo tsimbalyuk, yevgenia kravchuk and rossislav pavlenko for participating in the program, i was glad to see you all together. and i will remind you

that during our broadcast, friends, we conducted a survey and asked you about whether it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine. now we'll see what the results of our telephone survey are, since we conducted a telephone survey and asked you about this. 81% of those who voted believe that it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine, 19% believe that... it is not necessary . it is necessary to strengthen, 29 % think that it is not, these are the results of today's poll, friends, and this is the verdict program today, i will say goodbye to you until 20:00, we will meet you, i wish

you all good health, take care. yourself and your relatives, goodbye. greetings to all espresso viewers, it's time to find out about the most important thing at the moment, annaeva melnyk and the novyn team are with you. this issue begins with the following: the number of injured due to the russian missile attack on pavlograd has increased to eight. one person died, men from 32 to 66 years old were injured, two were in

a serious, psychological condition. assistance was provided to 13 residents, serhiy lysak, head of the dnipropetrovsk regional military administration, said. there is destruction in pavlograd, ternivka, yuriivska and mezheritska communities. more than 20 residential buildings, nine commercial buildings were damaged.