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, there, come on, chris, good evening, it's svobolay and... about what changes await ukrainians in the near future in terms of mobilization, what will happen at the front this winter and why in the states, they talked about trying to put russia at the table negotiations on the terms of ukraine. about all this and not only during the next 45 minutes. my name is daria kudimov, congratulations. ministry of defense of ukraine reported on the first results of cooperation with private companies on attracting people to the armed forces. that's what the department says. that since the signing of

the agreement with the loby x company, the number of people who responded to the placement of military vacancies increased threefold. i would like to remind you that on november 10, the ministry of defense signed an agreement with the recruiting company loby x, on which military teams can post specific vacancies for their own units and select candidates for themselves, and citizens choose the desired position and unit of the army for service. thus, they are assured of knowledge. it is possible to have more control over your future in the army and to get a position according to your specialty and experience. i would like to add that two platforms are currently operating from defense replacements in the field of military recruitment, these are lobby x and workua. our correspondents asked on the streets of kyiv, who should replace those military men and women who are currently on the front lines and , in general, should the mobilization be strengthened in order for ukraine to win? here are our answers

received, well, this is such a controversial issue, on the one hand, of course, we really want it all to end faster, but on the other hand, to mobilize violence. well, this is also not an option, because if this person is forcibly mobilized, he will not give 100%, as at the front and to the fulfillment of the assigned tasks, which i am positive about, and my own father is a military serviceman, well, i think so , because a man must defend his country, and if there are no soldiers, then it will not be a victory, my father already 63 and my brother will only be 18. of course my mother is very worried about this so that my brother is not taken away, but he is studying now, i don't follow politics, i don't know, do you think it's politics, well, i don't know , i know, i know that the law is being considered now, but i do not know its essence, people cannot fight forever, they need rest and

change, who should replace the boys and girls who have been fighting for two years at the front, the sons of deputies, the sons of deputies , father's mazhika, i think so, must be proper. preparation from of the state, actually some kind of process, it should not be some unorganized, unprofessional preparation for such a moment, everything should be legal, i think, in general , i congratulate all military personnel with a happy holiday, i am not a professional in this field, but i believe that everything should be that's right, firstly, everything must be in accordance with the law, secondly, one must go to war. those men or women who are ready for this, who are fired upon, who are trained, who, so that there is no scoop, you know, newly elected, that is , new people who need to be mobilized, well, but of course, the whole procedure must be somehow reformed, and it is not that people are simply

taken away, on the contrary, as we see it in social networks and so on, that is, it must be such a more, well, still a liberal process, no war is going on , for this is needed. yes, who should replace those people who have been at the front for two years, what do you think? i don't know, it's not my question, it's up to the competent authorities, let them decide, i believe that we will still have weapons that will help bring us closer to victory, but mobilization, losing so many young men and women, too many, i think everyone should serve some time there, that's fair, thank you very much. i will add that the involvement of recruiting companies is one of the innovations of the ministry of defense under the head of rostem umerov, at the same time the draft law, which provides for the reduction of the conscription age from 27 to 25 years, is waiting for the president's signature from may. another bill regarding changes to the legislation

is being developed by the deputies, and my colleague roxelana bychay is researching this topic, the topic of mobilization in ukraine, she communicated with the officials who are working on the changes, the responsibility for this process, and she is today... in the studio, roxy, i welcome you, good evening, hello, please tell me, in fact, what changes are we talking about, that mps want to change and why they pay attention. in fact, i will start with the fact that this is a work in progress, so far, it is not a ready bill, not a registered document in the parliament, yes, but it talks about three main points, and i will start with the first one, it is the fight against evaders, that is, it talks about that in order to reduce such norms that allow evasion. there to evade service and not be mobilized, as it should be in their situation, for example, we are talking about a second, third higher education, if a person has already obtained a higher education and now a person who is obtaining a second or third higher education, he is

all one has a distance from the service and increased, there were studies that showed that the number of students increased quite so significantly, yes... as a result of a full-scale invasion and general mobilization. in this draft law, in this work, it is said about reducing the number of people who want to avoid service in this way. well, the second point, which is also about reducing the number of evaders, is caring for disabled people, people with disabilities, yes, the third group, for example, and also reducing the number of people who care for people with disabilities of the first, second group, because now, regardless of whether a person with a disability of the first, second or third group, he has the right to be cared for, he has the right to care, and if they accept such the norm in the bill that is being developed is that people with disabilities of the third group, they, their

relatives, they will not be able to evade service, since they will no longer have such a right, and the number of people who will be able to take care of people with disabilities of the first, second group will be reduced groups, since now... it is unlimited, and when the bill they are working on is adopted, there will be a fixed number of people there, well, it is not specified yet, but now the deputies are talking about the fact that 5-10 people for... care for one person with disability, well, this is such a clear scheme for evading service. and well, one more point, this is the cancellation of the limited-use term. now it is also said among the deputies that this is such a moment that allows conscripts to speculate, and also allows them to evade service, it is called a field for manipulation, because they believe that it is still necessary to be either a suitable person or not for service, yes if there were not these... half, well, and also such a moment that this moment is about the limited

fit, here it is said that when conscripts with such a status are conscripted, their should be appointed to certain positions, for example, a driver, or a person will serve in some rear part, yes, but now, according to what the deputies told us, so now the commanders, they have the right on the spot, when a person comes to them, a mobile. they have the right to appoint her to a position for which they consider it necessary, well, and if a person is limited in suitability, even, they can still be appointed to a position where there is a shortage of people, there is such a right, and therefore they actually want to normalize this part as well, let's say yes, and in order to improve mobilization, yes optimize this process, work on recruiting in the army, cooperate already, as far as i know with several... companies, the most, the most information is about the lobbyx company, they, i managed

to talk to them, and they told me that in fact, regardless of , which only signed a contract with the ministry of defense on november 10, they are working as a recruiting campaign for military units, this is how they have been working since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, that is, when they saw that there was such a problem with recruiting people into the army. well and the moment that interested me the most in our conversation with them is whether there are legal guarantees that a person who is hired for a specific position, that he will continue to serve in this position, and there will be no such thing as, for example, for several months they will hire a person for this position, for which he applied to a recruiting company, and then they will simply... lead, since the commander on the spot has such a right, well, that is, it will be legal, and there are no such

legal guarantees now, that is, no one will be able to guarantee the person , that she will not be transferred to another position, but it is all honest that is, the commanders who contact the company that they need a person for this or that position, they give their word, let's say, that the person will serve in this position, and for these almost two years. the lobbies say that with their more than 2,000 conscripted servicemen, there were no such situations where they were transferred without their will to a position other than the one they applied for. roxylavna, we don't have much time, but i still wanted to touch on the moment that is apart problems with mobilization, there are still problems with demobilization, women, mothers have been protesting for the past few weeks, several months, so that those who are fighting... at the front for two years should be able to return home, are there any changes in the demobilization processes ? yes, this is the second

moment, so significant, which is being worked on in this document. options are being considered, in particular, that, for example , military personnel who have served for 36 months, yes, or they have the right to demobilize, this does not mean that everyone is immediately demobilized and everyone has to terminate service, so that means they will have the right to terminate. to have the right to resign from the service, and these 36 months are a norm that is still being discussed, since it is a work in progress, and there is no specific position according to this norm, there is currently no clear position and such a position that everyone would accept, and the power structures, yes and the deputies of the defense committee in the parliament and the government, so they are still discussing it, for example , the deputy of the defense committee roman kostenko, he said in a comment that... in his opinion, it should be done so that demobilization, this term, when people

will have, will receive this right to demobilize, it depends on where a person serves, if, for example, a fighter spent the first certain number of months there in combat deployment, then he will have the right to mobile, he must have the right to mobilize, and if , for example, a fighter spent this time serving in some part of the body, then this term can be longer, well, that is, there are such... explanations, and also regarding demobilization, there is such a moment that here are fighters from the first or second group disabilities, they don't have the right to demobilize now, it's... it sounds a little absurd actually, because people who care for people with disabilities of the first or second group, they have the right to deferment, so they have the right not to serve, and those who otherwise, he entered the army with the first or second group of disability, they do not have the right to leave now, they also want to settle this. ugh. rukslana, i thank you for the detailed account of what is happening, i understand that

it is not yet clear when such innovations will be planned, but roman kostenko, whom... you mentioned will be on our air later, i think we will clarify this point with him, thank you very much, roxala nabychai, my colleague was a guest of the svoboda live studio today. and this week, employees of territorial recruitment centers served summonses to men of draft age in sports clubs and gyms across the country, from transcarpathia to the dnipro. outraged visitors shared the video on social media, and we've rounded up the best footage. see how it was.

i am not arguing with you, this is your question for me, y i don't have any questions for you, i have a question for you, please. in the meantime , the transcarpathian otsk commented on the serving of summonses in gyms, they say, they are acting in a legal way, and those men of military age who work out in gyms or have fun in recreation centers , are not privileged compared to military service. time roman kostenko, people's deputy and member of the national security defense intelligence committee joins the broadcast. roman, good evening. congratulations. good evening. in your opinion, these are the gym raids, similar measures. kyiv, for example, the capital authorities want to pay a one-time financial aid to those who will mobilize. how effective are they in terms of mobilization, what do they show? well, they

testify that we have problems with mobilization. and that is why we are now trying to do what we broke a few months ago, when we dismissed all the military committees by a political decision, and instead of coming to the point that we have to fight corruption in every single place, we decided that this is how we will fight corruption, and broke the issue of mobilization, and now we we are trying to catch up with it, new people have arrived there, there are military commanders , there are tasks before them, they do not fulfill them, because they do not... have experience in how to conduct mobilization, how to interact with local authorities, in many places local authorities, they removed itself, although this should be its main task, this is not how military personnel have to run around, look for conscripts, and they should be specifically provided with lists by the local authorities, which

also, i repeat once again, was removed in many regions and simply... understanding that it is unpopular now to talk at all about mobilization and mobilizing people, they blamed it on the army, so now we have tsk, they are discredited, but understanding that they are part of the military family, who have to fulfill their duties , it depends on them whether reinforcements will come to the front, they do, of course people don't like it, and you already know that, such - well, trying to fix something when... a lot of things are broken, that's why we have, i i think, to approach in other ways, and not, say, beat the tails, ugh, well, here we are... a colleague in the studio told you about what changes to the legislation the deputies are preparing, how they want to fight dodgers with evasion, but here

the question is that this is not even a draft law at the development stage, but can you orientate at what stage these innovations are and when to wait for a vote on the relevant document that can regulate all the necessary norms, and i am not sure that this bill will regulate everything, there are many norms that should be included, but, let's say, does it answer all questions of mobilization and people in general, will it improve mobilization, maybe by some percentage yes, but will it close all the questions, will it close everything that we need to man our brigades there, i'm not sure when it will be registered, i don't know when it will be either voted, there is only according to its norms for... the parliament there is a certain amount of time when it has to be introduced only in the first reading, i am sure, then there will be many amendments, i am sure, because there are

many questions, in particular to those norms, which the current government wants to present, and then he will be voted on, well, look, if it is at least accepted in the first semester, let's say, next year, then it will be good, that is, by the end of the year. well, i think that it will only be registered and maybe it will reach the first reading, then a few weeks for corrections, then it is necessary to go through all the corrections, to make a working group to agree on it, but there are many questions, from my point of view, this the draft law does not answer the main question, we were talking about what, about mobilization and demobilization, so the question of mobilization is somehow tried in such a way to agree on the state of emergency and do everything so that we can... demobilize more, the question of demobilization, well , there are no specifics, well, it's all connected things, we understand that in order to replace those who have been for two years

is fighting at the front, it is necessary to have someone to replace him, you are talking about the fact that the draft law is unlikely to settle all these issues, and what can then regulate all this issue, what can bring order to the tsc, with mobilization, from whom and from what it depends on the state, look, there are many, there needs to be a large system work, and now, if we talk about... what is happening, we now have to understand many aspects, investigate in order to fix, in general, the processes in the army, we are now talking, and we cannot talk about mobilization without demobilization or demobilization without mobilization, these are all related processes, then we have to answer the question of how it should happen, what approach we will now form, without specifying the terms of demobilization now in any form, whether it will be the president... or there will be a cabinet of ministers, or then it will be the verkhovna rada, because only the president can issue a decree on demobilization, the verkhovna rada can

outline the maximum terms of service, for example, three years, five years, two years, and the president can issue a law on its demobilization under this, and in particular , we understand that those who have come now have been fighting at the front for almost two years, and when they have no idea how much longer they will...be, er, well, this does not add to their motivation, but those whom we, well, not us, but also the tcc catches in the same gyms, i think, most of they would go themselves if they knew exactly where they would end up, how much they would study, and when they returned home, then there would be many more willing to come and serve, for example, when the question of demobilization came up, i also eh... gave my suggestions when asked, how do you see it? i say, well, look, if the question has already arisen, i see it as follows, there we take the maximum term that you set there for 24 months, yes, everyone serves 24 months, but

for example, 24 months or 36, to serve there in tsk or serve somewhere in the rear, not taking part in hostilities, in principle we can say this, yes, to endure such a period, if you m... on the front line, then there is the question that you can die or be crippled, or in general the conditions of your stay on the front line, they are quite , let's say, difficult, and it should limit the time you stay there, so my proposal was there in general there for example 24 months, but if you during those 24 or 36, it will be determined, six months stayed on the front line, tobish was in combat orders, took part in hostilities, then after 18 months you have to... resign, and we have to establish such norms if we want people to go, clear rules, understanding how it will be. we now have enough power of means, people who

just need to explain that if you... leave, you are a stormtrooper, after 18 months you will be entitled to release, this is the first, second, and this is even, well, many are afraid of demobilization, in particular, the authorities there, that they will not recruit people there, because they see that there are problems with mobilization, but when will they be so clear rules, and it will be one aspect that people will go, another, many of those who were even mobilized from the first days, they are there, i even talked to them, all of them say that there will be demobilization, we will go home, well, most of those i talk to say on the contrary, that we will stay and continue to fight, but someone, of course, wants a replacement to come to them, because for two years, we have been talking about exactly that, that demobilization does not mean that we must must go, whoever wants to go, to summarize this topic, go to the next one, i will ask you literally in one sentence, this is the system, the president's office, the cabinet of ministers,

the verkhovna rada. is that communication, how effective is it in resolving the situation? now there is no communication, now there is communication in that the president has instructed the ministry of defense, the cabinet of ministers, the commander-in-chief and everything, to provide him with proposals for mobilization, demobilization, this draft law that was being worked on, and is being worked on in the verkhovna rada, there this group , i don't know who is in the group at all. lievtsi, because, well, there there is maryana bezugla, who constantly submits these draft laws, there, well, the solutions that have been worked out, they give it to us in the committee, we consider it, when it will be a draft law, when it will be signed, we don't know, but someone is working on it , some working group, that is, there, as i understand it, the military is there, and there are there, maybe civilians, some public ones, maybe there are some assistants, maryana volodymyrivna,

so... maybe she has some kind of communication with others, precisely to the committee, there is no such communication in the committee, as i understand it the president is waiting for proposals from these bodies that i have named, and then when these proposals are made, i think they should be about mobilization, improvement, demobilization, i have already heard some - let's say, such norms as, why demobilization, let's give 90 days holidays but this breaks all logic in general, we are talking about demobilization or leave, so there are still no specifics in such a discussion, when it will be registered, then we will already talk, of course, about the situation at the front, i want to return, the institute of studies of the war says that russian troops have been advancing slightly over the last two days under the ovdivka line and there itself northwest to southeast of the city, what are your personal forecasts regarding the situation in ovdiivka, what

time frame is possible? it can happen, i don’t want to predict, we generally have a lot of forecasts, a lot of factors depend here, you know, and you can never guess, in order to forecast 100%, you need to know what forces we have, what reserves we have ready to throw there, what forces the enemy is ready to throw, how much they will try to seize it there by december 14, so i will say one thing that the situation there is difficult, and the situation may... we may say become such a stalemate there or in the coming days or there in the coming weeks, if we add to it, well, our the task is to add more reserves there, if we cannot once, let's say, cut these corners, which were just on the map, then the situation will remain so difficult in the future, and eventually the time will come when, if we cannot fight back,

then... leave under the threat of the environment, that will be it tomorrow, in a few days or in a month , it's hard to say, i think it's more, it's probably hard even to tell those who are directly there right now, uh, roman, one more topic i wanted to ask you about, we don't have much time, but it important, our colleagues from the scheme project did an investigation and found out that ukraine used surveillance cameras with russian software, and that information from thousands of surveillance cameras, including government structures and bodies, was sent to... servers in moscow, did the specialized committee of the verkhovna rada of defense, national security, and intelligence pay attention to this investigation, and in fact, how could it happen that after 2014 both state institutions and enterprises continued to use russian software, as far as i know, the committee did not consider this issue this is a question of...