to some extent, this is inconsistent with china's policy of non-proliferation of weapons, as they still have certain dogmas regarding nuclear elements, so lukashenko was not invited to the poissy way forum last month, at least he was not there, among the 26 leaders, who was present, and of course he needed to somehow rehabilitate himself, he needed to negotiate with his friends from china again in order to establish these relations, well , to some extent, you see, calm down... lukashenko stopped waving nuclear missiles at some time, let's hope that we could thank you very much, thank you very much, and nataliya plakcienko butyrska, an expert on east asian issues, master of foreign policy, was in touch with us, we talked about china, now to israel, from the far east to the near east east, vadim polishchuk, historian, political commentator, the city of lod from israel will now join, i hope to our program and we will... talk about

what is happening in good health, mr. vadim, thank you for finding time for us, good evening, mr. mykola, look, that's the first thing the main question is, well, two questions about water and about the management of this gas, the white house says that the new palestinian administration should control the gas, and netanyahu says that no, there is no palestinian administration, well , who should control, i understand absolutely exactly, that there is a debate about what government, whose government should be in the gas sector, and it is obvious that this is a burden for israel, i am not convinced that israel will willingly send its people there to rule, and those who have ruled until now are called hamas, too unacceptable and whether

let them spread power there from judea-samaria, that is, from the western bank of the odan river, and on gas, too, it is also not clear, in short, what are they saying about it in israel? well, they say different things, you see that in israel , let's say, there are two political camps, this is the right camp, the right-wing religious camp, let's say this is the camp that rallied around prime minister netanyahu, and the left camp. or center-left one can say, this is, let's say, the camp of the previous government, where various political forces gathered, and they were actually united by two ideas, this is netanyahu, around which they are all there rallied, and the second idea, which they actually supported for many years, is, let's say, peace with the palestinians at the expense of, let's say, some concessions. and it was precisely this concept of concessions

to the so-called palestinians that was destroyed on october 7 as a result of the hamas attack. we see that right now, the idea that the biden administration is promoting, that is, to give gas to the palestinian autonomy, is not very appealing to israel, because we see that it is to strengthen the palestinian administration, which does not even control the situation. in those territories that seem to need it to be controlled, that is, there are cities in judea and samaria, where in fact the authority of this palestinian autonomy is so, illusory, let's say so, and those police or security forces of that palestinian administration, they also participate in the terrorist activities that take place there, and distinguish them from ordinary terrorists are impossible, and recently.

i sometimes regret it, but i have the impression that in israel, the jews would have lost their minds after october 7, and there the public opinion is more right, that is, it is necessary to treat hamas more harshly, it is necessary somehow not to make concessions, not to smile... and when you say that the leftists, it means, well, these left-centers, they are for such, well, more or less normal relations with the gas sector, with the arab population, and netanyahu, well , he failed, his policy, in fact, in peacemaking, also failed on october 7 , where, where are the political forces that can respond to popular sentiments, as i understand it, popular sentiments. hard, they are not smiling towards

the gas, but so strict. well, it's hard to say, you see, those, well, the responsibility actually, here... that is put on netenyaho, he does bear some responsibility, but the left the political forces are trying to transfer it completely to him, although in the same service, security services, intelligence, defense forces, which are actually more left-wing in israel, and their leaders, they, well, you have to understand the political system that has now developed in israel, when , well, there is no dictatorial one, let's say. as in russia, even as in ukraine, in fact, the presidential administration has a much greater influence on the power structures than in israel. there is, let's say, a very powerful legal system here, which is actually not subordinate to anyone subservient, disobedient, and with whom in fact

these conflicts were the last, and it was just covering up the left-wing policy that was very often carried out by the security services and... the defense forces, and therefore this guilt for this situation, in my opinion, should be imposed on them in the same way, this is general, this is some kind of, excuse me, jewish things, i have not seen so often in world history that the military and intelligence officers are left-wing, they are generally right-wing in the whole world, they are like that for tougher than there, give us weapons, we will show everyone, and only israel viri... takes off the fact that, well, let 's smile, well, hamas won't attack us, well , everything is more or less normal, well, we control the situation, we understand what will happen, well , it's quite unique, but my question is ecological to you , mr. vadim, but environmentalists are saying something

about the flooding of this, this so-called hamas subway in the gas sector, i.e. underground, these are all located there, and there is such a... version i have been reading about it for about a week in the israeli press, what they say means you just need to take water from the cabin water of the mediterranean sea to be brought there and simply flood it all, and if i think, well, why not, it is a good idea, but on the other hand i have the impression that there are so many of these passages that the whole gas can fail, or all of them are there, it is water that salty, you can’t there, i just don’t know about gas, but when... at least i know that there were some agricultural lands, something was grown there, now nothing will be grown there, and your version, look, ecological, let's say, well, local ecologists somehow i did not hear concerns about this reason, it is rather from the american or

administration or some political forces that such things were pushed, not that, well , some fear that... the flooding of these tunnels will lead to a number of such situations, when there may be collapse of buildings, and salinization of the soil and the salinization of the sources of sweat water, which are few there, artesian ones, and the fact that the hostages who are sitting in those tunnels can die, this worries the israeli side more, because here this movement of relatives, hostages, who led precisely those left forces, who say: let's exchange these hostages at any cost, well, we have already seen at any cost, when a thousand terrorists were paid for one soldier, who then killed, killed 1,500 israelis, you see, and that is why prime minister netanyahu is not very happy to somehow respond to

such measures, calls, although they are not very left-wing, some have changed, but a lot of them continue this kind of rhetoric, let's give them everything there, as if they were behind. and this is exactly the leader of the centrists, hans, who entered the government, just now such a broad government, he leans to such a larger moderate side, and here and between there is just some kind of confrontation going on with them in the government, although, well, in general, they are currently carrying out some kind of unified policy of destroying hamas, but the issue of hostages is very painful, and these are relatives, they are putting as much pressure as possible on... the government, although they are making noise there and creative voices , but always extremists, they are always more audible, as you understand, okay, well, how to get out of this situation, it is really bad, and as i understand it, i regularly watch the ninth channel

, russian-language, israeli, and i i understand that no one knows what to do when with on the one hand, the operation must be continued, on the other hand, it must be continued. and there are a lot of supporters of this, to destroy hamas, and on the way to destruction, and they destroyed a lot of things nearby, but there are hostages, and if that's all. is proceeding quite cautiously, and the government cannot neglect the issue of hostages, and how to get out, when on the one hand you have to kill, and on the other you have to save, what to do? well, tre is somehow trying to get past this situation, well , there are just voices from the right side that, thanks to the fact that they started such an active operation military, and this forced hamas to go to negotiations, because you know... this exchange, it can take place in different ways, and when hamas feels some weakness on the part of israel,

in the east, you just know, this weakness, it is felt very much by these people , they are like animals, you see, they rush as soon as they feel weakness, and they went to some more or less such conditions are normal when there are one to three and not to a thousand, and if you start saying that the release of hostages is our main goal . the rest is secondary, well, that's the course these hostages will immediately be a little more than one in three, and they will demand a month -long truce, during which, as you already know, keeping this army, which israel has now mobilized, is very expensive, and these truces, when the army does nothing, well, in fact, it does nothing there, it only delivers ammunition there, it is also very expensive for israel, and the economy of israel, now this budget has been adopted. 4% of the deficit is a lot for israel, so

it is necessary to somehow speed up this situation, it is really a pity for the hostages, they will try to release, but there is no other way for israel now, israel cannot lose now, because it will greatly inspire all other enemies, and you know, everyone will understand that it is possible, but it is necessary to prove that it is not possible to do this, thank you very much, thank you chezno, vadim polishchuk, a historian, a political observer from the city of lod in israel, was with us, yes, indeed, they got into such a situation between force and charybybda, and it is quite a difficult situation, i absolutely did not want to be there, not only the prime minister - the minister of israel, and even the adviser to the prime minister, because he would ask me mykola, what to do, i would sit and not know what to do, because it is really completely unclear what can be done and how it can be done. you and i missed it, you see, we were in the far east, in the near east, but

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let's go, where, there, come on, chair! our program continues, as i promised, we will talk about the middle east, it was far, close, now the middle. mykhailo yakubovych, orientalist, researcher at freiburg university from germany. good health, mr. mykhailo, i have an

emotional and cultural question for you as a scientist, i would say, the first. watch when putin flies in united emirates, then flies to saudi arabia, accompanied by military planes, this is how the muslim world should consider it, as a strength or as a weakness, it is afraid of something, it, well, because, you know, the american president flies calmly, he does not care accompanies, the french president flies. he is not accompanied by anything, or the german chancellor either, but the russian president is flying, he is accompanied, that in the minds of muslims, this is a sign, oh, you see , he has such planes, he is such a strong, serious guy, or vice versa, what is he afraid of , that he so small that he cannot fly himself, that he also takes planes with him, this is the absolute

norm for the near east, at one time i was, imagine at a scientific conference in the saudis... the minister of foreign affairs of saudi arabia came to arabia, then it turki feisal, we had up to 10 people in the hall with assault rifles, just one of his bodyguards was standing over my head with a kalashnikov, how many people were not in uniform at all and so on, it is hard to imagine, they are all like that, that is, it is the norm there, if there are many guards, hundreds of guards, let's remember gaddafi, for example, however, it was not identified to him, and it is still quite clear that these planes were flying, for example, over iran, why is it being asked if they were afraid of the martyrs or if there was anyone else there, this is a message to go faster, look, we can, we we have it, a demonstration of power, well , one more point, we had to advertise the planes, as they say, look, they are flying

with the president, you can buy this 35 dryer, you can use the american one... you are in a hurry, you will buy the russian one. russia very much wants to send its weapons to saudi arabia, they all say: "well, yes, yes, inshallah, it will god, maybe we will buy something", but they are in no hurry to switch to russian, that is why it is, as they say, a mnogokhadovichka. and, look, mr. mykhailo, there is an awareness among the monarchies that, that the russians are simply lying, if you can even imagine that... the contract for the supply of these 35 aircraft was signed, russia is not able to produce them in the quantity that anyone needs, we know many stories about about about india, for example, i think there was also in indonesia that they are not, what is it called, not a kit that they really bought there, and then they flew in, and then

looked, and there are not half of the spare parts that are needed, in short, they do not meet the contractual conditions. in the world who do not understand that it is only us, the ukrainians, through our experience , which is tragic, i must say, we learn that the russians are not so strong, all the rest who still continue to think that they are so strong and are able to release these, these planes by the dozens , i don't believe in this, for example, well , that's why they don't buy them until the countries of the persian gulf, but iran, for example, they are now trying to introduce them with various modifications there, because... iran will not buy anything else, maybe something chinese, so for countries that are limited by sanctions of the same region, russian technologies are needed, the same dprk, well, again iran. the countries of central asia, some of which can buy at a significant discount, yes, even more so in authoritarian regimes, there is a certain protectionism in these matters, that is

, they do not take for reasons of economic, often even military benefit, but simply invest in things where there are people, where there are kickbacks, where you can win something else, for example, there are profitable ones contracts with russia in other fields, well, let's go to the russians, so as not to offend... let's buy some military junk there, for example, the same saudi arabia considered these tos santsepok, these russian szos, flamethrower systems, but something it didn't work out for them there, even ukraine sold something to saudi arabia, and otirk grom was developed for the saudis, and those thighs went there, then it is believed that the saudis returned it, that is, here is the arms market, it is not always a market, it is sometimes. what a strong hand wants to show arrivals to another, but it is clear that to invest absolutely everything russian is simply to completely re-equip there in a russian

military manner, well, not everyone here is ready and will not do this, mr. mykhailo, i have a hypothetical question for you, russian-iranian relations, we understand that since in we have a war and these iranian horrors are flying over us, so we are here for... we are trapped and it hurts us, we think about this first of all, and if we were to think without the war, without this, these relations between iran and russia, how much is this turnover is significant as it is helps iran, to what extent it is a part of the iranian economy, see, this is what russia does for them, or how much iran is a part of the russian economy, that is... when i look objectively and try during the war, it is practically impossible, but i understand that it's some kind of trifle, it's not serious

, it's not a strategic relationship, it's me putin himself is sitting in the kremlin, i'd like at least 100 shaheds right now, you give me 100, well, give me 150, well, but that's literally 3 kopecks, and it that's how they do it, and besides, they buy there iranian coca-cola is already being sold even in the occupied territories and there is some disgusting beer and so on, the thing is, what is russia interested in iran now? yes, their trade there seems to be not so big, but to make up this trade, there, first of all, they learn to circumvent sanctions in iran, because iran has a lot of experience in this, re-export and other issues, they are already holding seminars, there are many different centers there iranian-russian friendship, they... are focused on it, and now why raisi came to moscow, but there is some kind of silence about this conversation, although even some russian media are already saying

that the russians are trying, in particular, to push the idea of ​​a transport corridor, they want to expand this port there, lay another railway, so that there would be such a connection between russia and through iran, which normalized. with saudi arabia, well up to a certain limit, of course, there is access to the emirates and the countries of the persian gulf, and it is also in the interests of china, but the russians are now trying to do it in such a way that they say that iran invested economically in its part, the arab emirates and saudi arabia in their part, and the russians only in theirs, and these countries are not ready to support the long-term project, in particular, raisi believes, well , some russian experts who significantly... these negotiations , which raisier directly stated, we will not invest, let's you finance absolutely everything in the iranian part and everything else, because there is an example

of the nord stream, in which they invested, invested, invested, and then at the last moment it was closed, and and legally, it is legally possible create, this, this, this, this road, let's call it that, because there is turkmenistan, there is azerbaijan, there is... kazakhstan, that is, there is, and it's like the caspian sea, it's divided, you can't go there, well, freely go wherever you want , it’s like, well, but tell me your version, maybe i’m wrong, well, relations there, russia, in particular, according to many reports, even transships military cargo from iran, and they go precisely through the caspian, there is a ferry service there, and azerbaijan he is silent about these matters, especially now azerbaijan is not very... wanted quarrel with russia, azerbaijan has its own victory, turkmenistan, well, it is generally a country whose elite in many respects is supported by

the russian special services, as well as... others in central asia, that is, they may not invest much there themselves, but they definitely won't put up any resistance, another question is that this route can be vulnerable as well for some sabotages, there for some other issues, but well, it's one belt, one path, now south, north, this corridor, they call it, russia constantly runs with these transport corridors, she constantly is trying to prove that it is serious there... transitor, exporter, importer, this idea has been with putin since the beginning of his reign, they offered some transit corridors to all the countries of the region, even ukraine in this regard, at one time there were many talks there about the connection with china, rail, part of it also went through russia, but it all ended up somewhere like 50/50, that is, russia hauls something there, sells something to them, solves its oil issues with

the opec countries, but... no more so now well, they are quite skeptical about this idea , despite the fact that, of course, all these parties are interested in talking about continued cooperation there, the fight against the dominance of the west there , or whatever they call it, and so on, that is, these conversations are going on, but there are no significant changes, one more thing the question, mr. mykhailo, is important, very important, maybe you are there in freiburg, by the way, i love this city very much, you know, how is your health... as a leader, the real leader of iran, he is very sick, he is near death , then he is already healthy, as there, and if, if any intelligence, who can stand in for him? now they have certain questions about his health, and for good reason, even putin thanked him very much there through raisi khamenei, tell them that he is

such a person, he is direct. a hint that everything is not very well with him, he has certain difficulties, but not so much that he should be written off, moreover , very often these authoritarian leaders have such, you know, such a method of letting loose around them rumors, they say, look, it won't last long, let's see who is for, who is against, now they are going talks there about the young generation of iranians, it will be someone from his circle, someone from the faithful, loyal, reliable leaders, but this transit of power. can be used, well, by the opposition and all the enemies of iran, the name of the recipient is not yet known, there are several candidates who are being considered, but obviously it can be some shadowy person in order not to concentrate some negative, i.e. someone will get out in the same way that putin got out at the end of yeltsin's rule almost suddenly, and it will be the same here, it is believed that khamenei really has

certain problems. and the iranians are afraid to say something like that about some kind of transit, the last question, we have half a minute literally, but ideologically and philosophically, there used to be a big devil called the usa, and a small devil was called the soviet union or the russian federation, now it remains, have they removed it about the little devil, no, now they have had a little devil for a long time - this is israel, and the big one is the usa. and this is already a classic of the genre, thank you very much, mykhailo yakubovych, orientalist, researcher at the university of freiburg, located in germany. i would like to tell you the following, that now my part of tonight's program ends, and the wonderful iryna koval will continue after me, who will tell you about what is happening in the world, because it is

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