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in principle, it affects our future life, we basically have a closed border with or we agree that russia can do this, well , georgia in principle de facto agreed, russia controls abkhazia, south ossetia, but russian citizens have a visa-free regime to georgia, tourism is more important than all these things, they somehow trade there, have, well, they have direct air connections, diplomatic relations. they don't have, by the way, anyway, they already have everything, they can't even restore diplomatic relations, because these territories do not allow, fine, but we have an even worse situation, as you understand, because here, well, there is a problem, well, the real problem of khrystyna is for the future, because we will most likely live with a closed border with russia, as armenia has been living there for decades with a closed border with azerbaijan. and
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in turkish, that is, this way is the east, we do not need it now, because we have a war with russia, i am talking about the global future, it will be closed there for the rest of our lives, because it will always be clear that if we start to restore diplomatic relations with russia, then we tacitly agree that it has the right in its constitution. to have our territories recorded, what can it be like at all, imagine another situation, that we have not regained control over these territories, we have some kind of armistice with russia, peace, some kind of political agreement on non-aggression, but they control part of our territory, it is written in our constitution and in their constitution, what i am talking about is by and large a situation of impasse, political, non-military, and we definitely understand that we are here also, we are a country that
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is completely turned towards... the west, and we don't have all these economic opportunities that we and russia could have, all these routes from china, all those routes we are talking about a very distant future for our viewers, let's say, about such a distant, distant perspective, why not far away , it is not far away, will the war end next year, will we have such and such an economic life, we lived differently, it was a different economic life , transit gas pipeline, do you remember how many we had. about him discussions about how many billions he brought to the budget, he will no longer be there next year, and that's it, ukraine is no longer a transit state, our role as a transit country from east to west has ended, that is, you understand what this means, it's very simple economically, imagine a railway, even, i saw it with my own eyes, there was such an incredible railway in austria-hungary, which went through its metal. to
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from the metal ore plants in slovenia, which were located in jesenice, ugh, to the port in trieste, it was all austro-hungarian, and now this is skansen, such a small road, there is an ordinary slovenian railway, a big railway, and if you go up somewhere in the mountains, this one goes - between several populated areas of slovenia, a railway that used to be a trans-route to the port, you know, because the port from... the iron ore plants have long been either closed or reoriented to the countries of the former yugoslavia, and no one needs this road, it is in a dead end, it is just very beautiful, oh my gosh, what a landscape, how good that there is a railway here, and it was not built for in order to see beauty, but in order to millions of dollars or so, which were then, which was then the railway, the currency in austria-hungary to earn, well, look, you are talking about the situation.
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this part of our economic life has been flooded here, and maybe forever, and this is simply because he did not just occupy our territories there, not just there declared them some kind of republics, but because he annexed them and recorded his specially so that in any in any case, no matter how events develop, drive us into this role of a neighborhood, if not our own, then a european one, and we were not a neighborhood, we were a transit state, and this is urgently needed. that these
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actions of his are aimed at depriving us of this status, even if we want to become a transit state, we cannot, because he stole the territory from us. and wants us to recognize it, the recognition of territorial realities, here is just an interesting story, which, on the example of gonyana , looks much more accurate, because what is sekibo, a wonderful beautiful natural park that overlooks the ocean, where there is oil, and if madura he will be fascinated by what it will be, a marginalized area in which there is no oil it will be possible to finish, because all this will be under sanctions, and venezuela itself will also be... under new sanctions and it is not known where the oil will go, by the way, regarding, i will just clarify, venezuela and the sanctions of the united states, all this will return in the event which, of course , it will intensify, and not return, they already are, they haven’t canceled the sanctions, they will intensify, well
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, will venezuela then think about its actions in relation to guyana, i just don’t want to think, that’s what maduro thinks, what’s wrong with him it is important to become pre to remain the president, or to get oil sell i think presidencies are important. if you will be the president, you will somehow make money from oil, but if you are not the president, what difference does it make to you what you sell and what you don't sell, you need to protect the power, well , we imagine guyana after that, which was like that and became like that and which was always the poorest country, one of the poorest countries on the continent, suddenly got an opportunity to develop, and the growth there was good, and there was 40% per year every year, for three years now. in a row, people finally got, very similar to ukraine, the opportunity to live normally , the guyanese government finally received my investment, the opportunity to properly invest these revenues and all this other, and that's it, we live in part of the territory, in a military conflict,
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we have some un troops there, if russia and china will allow them to be sent there, and we actually live in such a uh... world, which we have absolutely not done anything bad to anyone for, and that's it, this territory is ours, the guyanese inherited it from the british empire, we are nobody's it was not conquered as by the way, the ukrainians inherited this territory of the ukrainian ssr from the soviet union, we did not retake it from russia, we did not go anywhere, we did not come to crimea with ukrainian troops and say: "hey, ukraine will be here from here." no, this is our imperial heritage, just like russia, its territory is an imperial heritage. the republic of tovinsk has nothing to do with russia from the point of view of international law, and that at all. buryatia, china, i'm sorry. china, the chinese empire, were always considered until 1944, on
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on all maps you can see world maps, this is china. but what, what, what should russia do now, give back? in this situation, it would be good for the tevans, by the way. well, look, we now have a world where here and there there is annexation, the desire to occupy the seized territory of a neighboring country for various reasons, and of course, it would be more logical for countries that are major players and democracies to simply not give the opportunity to to be such a precedent, but for this it would be necessary to go back in time and punish. for the crimea, well, in my subjective, maybe point of view, and russia will also be punished for georgia in 2008, and we can go back decades like that with you, but a precedent has been set, and this is a working scheme, and if some crazy person appears
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somewhere in the world, he appeals to this scheme , which ways out of this closed circle do we have, it looks very hopeless, i think that in 1991, what should have been thought, how do you... the situation with transnistria or abkhazia or southern ossetia and it was necessary to clearly demand from russia in exchange for recognition its independence, so that russia agrees with the need to restore the territorial integrity of the former soviet states. it was necessary to solve the issue of western karabakh, and not to leave it to russia, so that it would deal with all this management of the situation there. it still ended badly. you understand, for the people who live there in this region, it became a disaster, if in 1991 the west demanded yerevan and baku to sit down at the transition table, agree, create a clear scheme for the autonomy of armenians in azerbaijan, what
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then , when there was no understanding how what will its borders look like when these countries themselves were not sure that they would be recognized as sovereign states, well, these were opportunities, no one started doing it, everyone was just happy, oh, how? it is good that the soviet union did not disintegrate in the same way as yugoslavia disintegrated, yes, we all told fiction here, i think i once told that in... in december 1991, at the end of the year, i invited my yugoslav colleagues to dinner before the new year, journalists from the former yugoslav republics, which were no longer yugoslav at that time, they were already sovereign states, and the war was already going on there, but they and i were talking to each other, they were talking to each other, it looked so strange, and i said during this dinner, well, you see, we can at least raise a toast to the fact that the timetable of the soviet... of the union that you and i are, only we, because only journalists from the union republics of the ussr and union yugoslavia knew that
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it would all fall apart, everyone else thought that the gorbachev union would be renewed, that is, we were actually the only ones who understood the real process, so that we lived in multinational states, unlike these others, and knew what is their price, and here is what we expected and feared, that it would go according to the yugoslav version, that it actually ended peacefully, that we managed to move peacefully to creation. of our states, and here my croatian colleague says: hello, maybe you just don't have true independence yet? i remembered it for the rest of my life, i thought that this was the most accurate analysis, probably if we came out of this situation peacefully, and kravchuk and shkevich also said that if we did not sign the agreement, there would be a war with russia, i.e. they believed that russians have such attitudes that they simply by signing the cis agreement, they postponed the situation there, that the russians decided that nothing really fell apart. ugh, well, if they had realized that it had actually disintegrated, it is not known
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how they would have behaved even then, and they eventually began to behave like that when they realized that they were simply deceived there in the year 91, that they were tricked instead of the future union state, in which they sincerely believed, ukrainians cannot be without russians, no, that was such an important moment in 1991. in 1992, this moment was omitted because everyone should have asked yeltsin, what are you supporting in transnistria, we live in democratic russia, you should help democratic moldova, not create a quasi- state there, but say that moldova should restore its sovereignty to its territories, what is this you suddenly forbid moldova to protect the romanian language, why you can't get this teraspol region to be part of moldova, why you keep your army there, what is happening at all, no one said any of this. and then it was definitely like that when there was chechnya, and i'm not talking about yugoslavia anymore, think that if milosevic had not been invited
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to dayton, where he actually signed up to the ethnic cleansing of muslims and croats in a large area of ​​part of bosnia, because you understand that this bosnia is this republika srpska in bosnia, it is just an area that is ethnically cleansed, then there would not have been kosovo, and when it became... then there was no place to play, because everything was decided then, here is the genocide in kosovo, we cannot once again accept the genocide, as in autumn, for the second time, well, then we will give them opportunity to declare independence to to show what the consequences of genocide can be , well then russia says, well, fine, and i will tell you the same thing in abkhazia and recognize their independence, and that's it, and after that there was no turning back, it was one mistake after another. and unfortunately, we
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are now in the center of these mistakes, in the epicenter, so there's really nothing, uh, to talk about right now, and if we say, oh, you know, we understand how to fix this mistake, we know, how to correct a mistake, now the war in ukraine will end, it's called correcting a mistake, no, no one even talks about it doesn't think, everyone just thinks how to end it. with the smallest, but no one is saying, we have to somehow make it global, find this new world order, so that there are no disabled countries, such as ukraine, georgia and moldova. and everyone else is absolutely indifferent. so remember that when we were not a disabled country, we were absolutely fine with the situation with transnistria, in general. both to the people and to the authorities. there were many who supported russia's actions in transnistria in the 1990s. in the 90s and later, our so-called patriots fought on the side
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transnistria, just as the future fighters for independence in chechnya fought against georgia in abkhazia, ugh, that's how it was, that's how it was, igor smirnovy, the head of the tarasport regime, was not given a pocket money, after they were arrested in kyiv, and not in moscow, and i can cite such examples, we have been under... why did you think that this boomerang would not return? let's discuss a few more important topics with you. do not leave with us. it is not so much time, the verkhovna rada adopted the draft law 102881 as a whole, which provides for changes to some laws on the rights of national citizens, taking into account the expert assessment of the council of europe. this is a step towards negotiations on joining the european union. briefly, what is written in the law: private higher education institutions have the right to freely choose the language of instruction, which is
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an official language of the european union , while ensuring study by persons studying in such institutions. and the state language as a separate academic discipline. in classes for learning languages ​​of national minority communities, which are official languages of the european union, the right to use the language of the relevant national minority in the educational process alongside the state language is guaranteed , and persons belonging to national minorities of ukraine whose languages ​​are official languages ​​of the european union and who started general secondary education before september 1, 2018, actually have the right to continue to obtain such education in accordance with the rules that existed before. until the entry into force of the relevant law. stefanishyna, olga stefanishyna, this is the vice-premier of the prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration, assures that there there are all safeguards so that russian propaganda does not manipulate and do not try to insert their narratives, but in fact this is a step to meet hungary, i understand correctly, this is of course a step to meet hungary, which
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has no significance, because the prime minister - minister of hungary viktor orban clearly said that ukraine cannot be a member of the european union and... it is possible to start negotiations with it, because it is a corrupt state. he already a few weeks ago, it was simply not noticed, changed the narrative, he no longer mentions about transcarpathian hungarians, because he understood that the laws would be changed. perhaps it was precisely to demonstrate this position of orbán that these laws had to be changed, because i have always said that this is not really a story about transcarpathian hungarians, and in fact transcarpathian hungarians have every opportunity to learn their native language, and in fact, at the moment nothing was changing because it was all being postponed. regarding the languages ​​of the countries of the european union, it seems to me that it was postponed every time until 2024, so nothing has changed in transcarpathia, but we see that as soon as the prerequisites for the hungarian veto disappeared, orbán found new ones, the whole story is about this law, and the fact that we
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are adopting it now, we are showing something to hungary, or to the european union? the european union, because it is a union... the rights of minorities are respected, and i just believed that the law that existed, which allowed representatives of national minorities to learn their own language and literature and to respect cultural traditions, but at the same time have equal opportunities with ukrainian speakers citizens of ukraine, well, let's say when entering the ukrainian ones institutions of higher learning, it was more correct not to create different kinds of people, huh. this is the same as what i said once about kyvalov kolisnychenko's law. everyone here perceived it as a law directed against the ukrainian language, and i always perceived it as a law directed against the russian-speaking community of the country. because if you leave ukrainian as the state language and in the civil service and in other places require knowledge of the ukrainian language and allow this language not to be taught in a whole number of regions,
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in fact, you drive people into reservations, they can no longer be civil servants, they simply appear somewhere with a glass ceiling, like when. was for the french-speaking population of canada, which you cannot penetrate, because you do not know, because you simply have a resident, if you live in the kharkiv region, here a person lives in the poltava region, you have different competitive opportunities, and they wanted to drive out the russian population in the regional reservation, so that it always votes for them, to create such an artificial reservation of its electorate, and at the same time it is great, you know, like vadik kalisnychenko, who always came to the airwaves and asked if it would be shown in crimea, no, we are not broadcasting to crimea now. well then let's talk in the ukrainian language, this is absolute cynicism, cynicism, because let these little people vote for us, and we will know the ukrainian language here, because we know it in order to occupy all the highest positions in this state and everything, but they, this is a russian-speaking pleps that we do this specifically, they elect us ukrainian-speaking thieves to rule this whole
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stupid country, that's the logic for you, and i thought it was absolutely wrong and... the same with with these changes, it preserves a certain part of people, but again it is not known whether it preserves, because we have already seen the hungarian district in transcarpathia, where 90% of children went to ukrainian-language schools by choice of their own parents, precisely because these parents wanted a future for them in ukraine, and if a father wants his child to have a future in hungary, he will certainly send her to a hungarian-language school, we will not do anything here, and this was also an absolutely obvious moment that... determined people's choice, and what these changes will actually do and what i don't like them eventually the resh will destroy the diversity of regions like for... or bukovina, because the people, conventionally speaking, hungarians or romanians, romanians to a lesser extent, but nevertheless, if they continue to learn, uh, in languages, language,
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languages of the european union, and the countries of the european union will be nearby, there will be a country after the war, in a difficult state, difficult, then of course they will go to study in e to their neighbors, to their neighbors. the premiere in one of the hungarian theaters, where the actor, the star of the hungarian theater, one of the biggest stars, played there , but 20 years ago we admired it a beautiful actor, the star of the ubehovo theater, and now he is the main star of the budapest scene. budapest, not kyiv, you understand, because he was an actor of the hungarian national zberegov theater, one of the strongest theaters in ukraine and europe, but the next step in his career, it was the stage of budapest, and this
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stage of budapest will be like that for a large number of people, just others will not be actors, but will simply be there as managers, engineers, whoever you want, in hungary, and as a result, hungary will get rid of this important part of the diaspora, and we will get rid of our compatriots. which could develop here, this is also a consequence of our european integration, and it is not the case in european countries, because, relatively speaking, italy gathers its german-speaking community in the countryside, ugh, and creates such conditions so that people live there, and not move to austria , well, as an example, the germans nurture their multilingual communities on the border with denmark, in schleswig, that 's what worries me, to be honest, that any european country is strong because of this very history and its diversity, do you really believe that there are safeguards in this law, in particular so that the russians do not manipulate, and how
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the russians do not manipulate them, national minorities, russians, the largest national minority in ukraine, this is how they think, they consider themselves, the truth is an indigenous people rather than a national one after the war, we will have to deal with it one way or another , they said, this is... an absolutely inevitable process, this will be a condition from the eu for us, i think, i don't think so, no, if there is a war, there will be no agreement, this is a matter of peacetime, yeah, but it won't the history of the russian-speaking population, you understand, this will be the history of how many people on the territory of our country will consider themselves ethnic russians, well, they may not be, by the way, just as there will soon be no ethnic ukrainians in russia. you see, there is a replacement , russians and ukrainians here in these regions of the border are so adaptable, adaptable,
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that ukrainians, if they feel danger, mostly feel themselves russians in russia, they do not declare themselves, but ukrainians feel, as a result, there are millions of people like, ugh, and no one no, there are some small ones ethnic... are there associations of 5-10 people, as i remember when we were creating all this there, and russians are beginning to feel themselves ukrainians and may simply not want to, that is, in order to have a russian school where they would teach russian language and literature are available to people who would like it, not ukrainians speak russian, but i am a russian, i am an ethnic russian, i want to know the language of my ancestors, and if a person does not think that these are his ancestors, but thinks... what she's ukrainian, you can't impose the mentality of a russian, well, that's it, we're not we know how it will be, i think that most likely the russian minority in ukraine and the ukrainian minority in russia, sorry for the cynicism, will not exist
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, not because people will simply think differently about themselves, and this is already happening, you know, i think you can call it in your head many of your acquaintances who consider themselves ukrainians, being in fact ethnic russians, you just don't think about it anymore, well... that's it, and it's a natural process, strangely enough, it was on such territory that a huge number of ukrainians became poles in poland after the second world war, and they never mentioned that they were ukrainians, anna valentinovych, this is a great example of this, the person who founded solidarity, the fact that she is ukrainian became known in the last years of her life, she was always polish, in even self-awareness, somehow a person does not think about it, because it is dangerous. a huge number of ukrainians in tito's yugoslavia, when there was a quarrel between tito and stalin, proclaimed
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that they began to feel themselves as rusyns, as individuals. nation, although they were not part of those ruthenians who they came to the voivodship there 3-4 years ago, that is 200 years ago, and remained rosyns, few continued to consider themselves ukrainians, it was dangerous for ukrainians, here you are the same, and you have all the rights, but no one looks at themselves, as for an agent of the nkvd, well, political processes very often affect nation-building, so when we say that russians can declare... they have to find them, they still declare ukrainians in the kherson region as russians, they speak, that is, they also have to with this to determine who are the russians and who are the ukrainians, or are they not defined, the language is russian-speaking, you yourself say the people, if it is one people, and if we enter the kherson region, where 90%
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are ukrainians. occupied part, but 60% of parents choose ukrainian as the language of instruction for their children, and why? and russia agrees with this, if they are russian, why are they learning ukrainian ? this is schizophrenia, the russians must first give up this schizophrenia for this, and in order to see russians, ethnic russians, russians, one must first see that there are ukrainians, and i will also break it down, ukrainians the ukrainian language is studied in schools, and russians, a minority, an ethnic minority, must learn russian, but if we are all russian and the ukrainian language is a dialect of russian, well , we all study in a dialect, what's the point,
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well... and where are the russians, where are they, this is a huge problem for the russians, you see, they will need to decide, take the first path, the first step, say that there are ukrainians, they are a different nation, with a completely different language, but another people live there on their territory, they are called russians , russian people who love pushkin, and in... ukrainians don't read pushkin, it 's a foreign poet to them, foreign literature, and that's why we want our compatriots to know the language of pushkin and turgenev, say it, then we'll start talking, but if you think that all this no, and that it’s all simple , ugh, nothing, yes, what are you worried about then, hungarians don’t say that ukrainians and hungarians, in transcarpathia, they are one people, they clearly say that all people are hungarians, hungarians
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are hungarian-speaking by origin, we want... them to keep, of course, we talk to them about these people who are in, let's say yes, hungarians, ukrainians of hungarian assent, and ukrainians of russian origin do not exist from the point of view of russia, because we are all the same here, we have to speak the good language of dima, the language of dima medvedev, that’s all, a little, a little bit distracted from the informational picture of the week, but in my opinion , the principles are not very important. khrystyna for this conversation, let's hope that all we have to do is wait for those decisions that we need both in washington and in brussels. all the best to you, friends, and until our next meetings. good luck with this victory.
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cold weather is coming and will it cool the situation on the front line. our country has become a hostage of the mexican border in the us congress, which will be with the funding of our state. and about what method ukraine found to bypass the blocking of the border by polish carriers. this and more in today's issue. the war with russia is entering a new phase, winter dictates its conditions, so in addition to the influx of invaders, the armed forces of ukraine have to fight the elements, lack of shells and even rodents. pay off energy. after an almost three-month pause, the russians attacked ukraine with missiles from strategic bombers. how ready are our energy facilities for enemy strikes? the fall
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