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to whom the information space has reached the fact that the tension is decreasing, well, everything has passed, we have turned the page, we continue to work, because we have a common big goal, i think that you and i will see these joint greetings again in the new year, and somewhere we all these faraway people will start to turn us back, they already reassured us before, we just didn't believe in their reassurance, zelensky needs to demonstrate certain steps, no matter how much he wants it, but... demonstrate steps and in no way, in no way don't try to do right now in the middle of such a decisive stage in the war to create problems with the military, these military do not deserve this and do not like it very much, no, just when you mentioned the orange coalition, its disintegration and so on , that is, there were forces that worked separately under viktor andriyovych, according to yulia volodymyrivna, and this whole thing could not stick together, because this or that contractor constantly appeared, now we see in... openly paid
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manipulative articles that appear in some semi-respectable western media, yes and we also see a certain synchronization, certain things are thrown in there that we cannot verify, we understand that if they refer to anonymous sources that say some absolutely mind-blowing unworldly things, well, very often suspicion arises accordingly, but people are all politicians, they are emotional people , generals are emotional, everyone is on emotions, everyone is on nerves, and it is clear why, well, the price is very high. and here something appears, this is part of that campaign, you probably remember, our president also talked about some kind of maidan 3, anti-maidan 3, i.e., our intelligence warned that there is a 1.5 billion allocation of funds being prepared there, which will now be carried, well, it is carried, so it should not be an indicator of the authenticity of the problems for us, the real problems that we have, they can be completely different from what we read about in these tools. of mass information, well, it is already
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open information that this is part of a hybrid war, and we, for example, i already have my own, i don’t know, my brain, critical, this component has adjusted to the fact that any information should simply be defended first, then check and then you will see what is true and what is not true, but i think that ukrainian society is not very good at such things, i recently had a conversation with the military, who are in the trenches, and i, and they just... told me, that they are very, they turn out to react very painfully, those who react painfully, whose psyche suffers, are those soldiers who read their father's stuff, there is also the internet, they say, i was fine, they say, we all find a place as usual, we are there on the internet passing each other and when they hear about these cuts weapons, there is already information gathering, about these scandals, about threats, some resignations, it really depresses precisely those people who should... just fight with a firm conviction
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that they have a competent government and that the world is with them, they suffer. thank you, mr. olezh, for this extremely important and interesting conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that oleg rybachuk, former deputy prime minister for european integration of ukraine, former chief of office of viktor yushchenko, was working for them on the air of the tv channel, well and co-founder of chesno movement. channel espresso and ukrainian pen. present the project own names with myroslava barchuk, a series of conversations with ukrainian and western intellectuals who interpret and comment on the most relevant social discussions, what news will be analyzed by the guests of the project this week and actually who will be the guest of the studio, we will find out this sunday, definitely, the topics will be relevant, special guests, proper names with myroslava barchuk, sunday 17:10 at espresso.
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espresso will be on the air now mark fegin, a former member of the russian state duma, now a member of the russian opposition in exile, a famous video blogger. glory to ukraine, mark, i congratulate you. slava, glad to welcome anton, glad to greet all viewers. i wanted to ask you about putin. that is, putin was resuscitated with such an impression in the political plan from this refrigerator, where he was put by professor solovei. so, putin now speaks at the g20, then time magazine started. a little , so to speak, to consider his candidacy as a person of the year and so on. mark, what about you what is happening now in the macro-political space? well, you know, several factors have come together here, we must soberly state that putin is really, well , today he is making the most of all the opportunities provided to him, in particular, which ones? the fact that the counteroffensive did not achieve its results is not... the changes
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within the west, which push all the other limbs of putin into this gap, that is, this change is connected in america with the upcoming elections and a clear drop in biden's rating, by the way, it was caused by his ego in the general directness in 2023 on the ukrainian issue, in part, he could not resist the rhetoric of his opponents regarding that, and why did you do all this, if the leadership is somehow half-hearted, neither there, nor here, nor...
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posle the events of october 7, well, somehow the pendulum did not so much as swing, but it changed its position, in the sense that those who considered the ukrainian question separately from the rest, well conditionally, yes, here is the aggressor, here is the victim, here is the attack and so on, no matter, in the global south, in other places, suddenly began to consider the position of ukraine itself, the usa, the collective west, and so on through the prism of middle eastern support from ukraine. that is, he played the role that split, let's say, not so many even firm allies in support of ukraine, but wavering ones, those who did not firmly define their position, suddenly they thought that, well, if the collective west you represent is and ukraine, that
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's okay, not a question, but also israel, in this sense two parallel wars on the neighbor eastern and eastern europe, causes such support from the west, well, there is. accordingly, we are slightly changing our position in relation to moscow’s actions in ukraine, i would say that these factors certainly played a role, and putin, well, he always knew how to use it, he tried to parasitize it in general...
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, if not decisive, role in the position of public opinion, the western press, which you know how the politicians themselves begin to convince the voters of something, and then the voters turn back to them. .. capitulation is proposed, because the negotiations are mutual compromises, i do not see a single compromise from moscow, so putin, as the main beneficiary of the war, as the main source of it, is certainly trying to survive as much as possible from this situation and the associated with the middle east, with the elections in america with... the west as a whole, well, this is the concept of a protracted war, which no one in the west likes. how can we decipher putin 's statement at the g20, so he started talking about calling the war a war in the central military commission, firstly, an important moment, secondly, he started babbling about the need to stop
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the tragedy, even though he is the culprit of the russian attack on ukraine, that is, well, the tragedy, it did not start from some kind of sky, from some conspiratorial concept and so on, that was very clear. the russian position was very clear military criminal orders, in particular on the implementation of aggression, i would say that there is no other signal except let's negotiate on the terms that... we offer. the main, central question of these conditions is not even the division of 80 into 20 territories of ukraine. 20 geopolitical realities, we occupied them, we held a referendum there, we annexed them to russia, and above all, the neutral status of ukraine, the non -admission of nato membership, the general integration into the western community as a whole of ukraine, its suspension in the position in which it has been there for almost 30 years, if you look at it. that's the central question , why, not a territorial question , a territorial question, yes, yes, yes, yes, but... still, the main thing is - and because his intentions have not changed, he believes that if he holds ukraine in this neutral
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position, sooner or later he will occupy all of it, whether indirectly through political or directly military influence, but he will not let ukraine go, from this point of view , nothing has changed, and what he, notice, here at this speech at the g20, you remember he said, generally speaking, that he regrets the tragedy of the children in the middle east in the gas sector, but he does not regret the children... so, apart from the drama, in buchea or there, i don't know, in mariupol, any other place, he does not regret for example, and there are many times more dead children from his hands, not from someone else, precisely from him, that is, he is, of course, the master of this jesuit rhetoric, well, these texts are written to him, but they blow in that direction , that well, listen, against the background of the tragedy to the gas, as he says, the fists are clenched, something else is clenched in her, then ukraine, well, you don’t have to...
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can’t accept in the conditions of the war, and what will be there after the war when it ends , so let's immediately remove this issue from the agenda, that is, already after the vilnius summit in july of this twenty -third year, the summit, which in washington is expecting its seventy-fifth anniversary, its hostess will be america, in general, the prospect of at least some advancement of millimeter , now you are correcting, correcting , at the nato summits in madrid, too, that’s how
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it sounded, in vyunis it was somewhat corrected, but still moscow is the main enemy, ukraine, our part of the western community, it must be defended as ourselves, the supply of guns, the creation of a format in ramstein, and then they put the brakes on , you know, on the brakes, now we are reaping the fruits of this brake, what do you think, the united states, why does it start there so not... i understand the discussion, yes, the discussion is not just unpleasant, it is not to the end for many understood, so we understand that there is trump, there is isolationism, there are some negotiations before the election, whether the united states enters the campaign and so on, but the key story, yes, that is, it is a feeling that they are starting to actively trade, and there is no concept, because it has changed, i want to tell you that here, for example , i made a forecast for the twenty-third year on the basis of which, in december, a journalist also asked me, i am
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the only regional center employed in moscow on my channels, immediately, by the way, after the referendum, which they held on accession kherson region to the russian federation. on the wave of this success, of course, the americans and europeans declared that the issue will be resolved on the battlefield, we will provide ukraine with all the necessary weapons to complete this story in the coming year. this was said
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at different levels, in different ways, and indeed they promised satak, planes, all of this has been discussed since december, i emphasize. december, and they were preparing this spring counteroffensive, its preliminary plans were initially for march, then slightly moved to april, it really started in june, you understand , of course, against the background of such a position, all the forecasts were appropriate that if it piles up like this, if the available ones are provided, i emphasize, there is no need to produce the available types of weapons and the necessary amount of ammunition, then of course the result will be, yes the entire territory up to the border of the ninety-first year may not be liberated, but the blow will be so devastating...
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but we have already taken the position that not everything is so clear-cut here, we cannot collapse the collapse of moscow, this will lead to the saddest after the events of june 24 with prigozhin's campaign , they convinced them that it was impossible, that they needed to be more careful, that in the event of his military defeat, completely ungovernable figures could come to putin's place, even worse than putin himself, i always think that to be worse than putin, but okay, and on august 23, when prigozhin was already killed, they...
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talked about it a lot, but then maybe many people didn't see it, but i already saw that this position would be imposed on kyiv, and an instrument of pressure to kiev, well, what could it be, the supply of weapons munitions and financial and macroeconomic aid, that financial aid, of course, including, because the economy of ukraine is not self-sufficient, it is in the conditions of a war, it cannot exist in such an east european state now without aid, it is obvious, let it go. .. wait, why did you start supporting then? therefore, really, to be honest, taking into account the situation in the united states itself, in europe, this situation is reflected, you know, fitz's victory in slovakia, and there it is unclear now the situation in in the netherlands, in connection with the freedom party , which won the elections and it is not clear how the final version of the coalition government will be formed, this is
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an expression of the same change of position as such, in this situation, of course, they actually construct such a certain simulacrum, but on the other hand someone surkov was pulled out of some secret drawer there, so surkov was silent for a long time, well, at least he was not silent, but give some extremely cloudy strange
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signals, now he wrote a rather characteristic and interesting note, and so on again from... dedicated it, well, of course, to the ukrainian issue. surkov, that is, he tries to remind about himself in this way, or he has already returned to the cage and is now starting to draw certain, i don't know, methodical directions for the kremlin. perhaps surkov now wants to supplant dugin himself. i think that he is, of course, like an official, and he is first of all an official, and then a fantasist, as he presents himself in his articles in current politics and their retellings in various other publications. he certainly does any action, he is still in his seventh decade, he in my opinion, he has passed 60, he is compatible with further plans, well, that’s how officials work, the brains of officials’ managers work, that they... somehow never leave hope for some new occupation cell, i think he wants to return to the position of adviser in ukraine, i will explain why
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, the fact is that this is the only quality of his that is in demand, because of all the others there, kyriyenko is the first deputy in his position as the head of the administration, it is clear, the vice-premier, he is not needed at all, he is at all not in this frame, here he is in ukraine he is trying, because all the articles, if you noticed, all the latest articles are about ukraine in one way or another, that is, he is not writing there as before, he is about...
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to convey the message to putin about what, about what the war is, yes, in turn, even though he says in the last text that it can only be achieved by military means, surkov himself is the protagonist of the peace plan, he is the architect of the minsk agreement, and he was the last adviser. his act is a meeting in paris in h4, norman format, no one remembers now, december 9, the nineteenth year already together with zelensky, which turned out to be a failed meeting, the four, because ukraine refused to agree on the road map of the stanmayer plan in moscow's interpretation of it, remember that he refused, and he was burned by it, now he believes that he can minsk 3 4 5 10 again impose and he is the best.
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worth it, it will be the same set. he, i repeat, was an opponent of a military solution until a certain moment in the nineteenth year, he said that ukrainians would eat themselves, actually, politically there is of course, he repeats it in different ways, this idea that the ukrainian society is not able to self-organize, to develop a single pillar of a political plan like this, yes, to act together, sooner or later, everything will be divided among themselves, so it is possible through elections. or so to speak, their manipulations in ukraine, to achieve everything that cannot be achieved purely by war, you know, to bring in a new yanukovych, i am exaggerating, conditionally speaking, i am exaggerating, who himself will go to all
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the agreements and then we will already iron out all of this, that is the meaning of it texts, you see, there is definitely imperial bravado, this mentor tone is like that, we see it, we read it in these interstices in the lines, but once again the main message is still the main address yes, well, in any case, if the main surkov's addressee is putin, which means that the appropriate atmosphere is also brewing in the kremlin. thank you very much, dear mark, for this extremely interesting conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that mark fegin, a former deputy of the russian state duma, and now an activist of the russian position on emigration, was working for them on espresso. the time of our program has run out, stay with the spresso tv channel, my colleagues have prepared a lot of interesting things for you, take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you on the air. attention,
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