still stolen in the crimea in the 14th year in sevastopol, you see, well, such mines, they have something smart in their irons, they return home, they want to sevastopol, so this problem will also be extremely important for them, because the current is changing, and who knows that there will not be a peaceful life where we mined, and you see, these are actually the first signs of it. mr. serhiy, thank you for the inclusion. thank you for your comment, serhiy brachuk, spokesperson of the ukrainian volunteer army south, a person who has many connections with the temporarily occupied the crimean peninsula and which is understood by the security situation in crimea and its surroundings. a little more about the sea and the seas with pavel lekiychuk, head of security programs at the strategy 21 center for global studies. now we'll talk. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, thank you for your patience. good day, glory to the heroes. well, at the beginning, i will probably

forward the question to you: this is the military magazine in question, and where such interesting notes periodically appear: naval collection, number 12, year 23, october 14 four minesweepers were actually engaged in the combat tralenium of the external raid of sevastopol, and this happened for the first time for them since 1974, and the mining in general... of the approaches to the crimea, how high a level it remains now and what is the nature of the origin of this particular mining around sevastopol, please, well i agree with serhiy bratchuk by 90%, you know, there is a saying that don't dig a hole for someone else, you'll get there yourself, the russians actively mined the water area of ​​the coastal zone in 20022. ports of ukraine

mainly by anchor mines, anchor mines are surely everyone imagines such circles from a layer with those with blinds, this is only part of the complex from kaboden, for example, then it is attached to... minrep, such a cable and a mine cart, which then performs the function of an anchor, and when it is reset, the cart falls to the bottom , on this rope in the water, hanging somewhere in the stormy waters, hanging a mine, waiting for its victim, as soon as storms begin, especially winter storms, a very large part. these cables

simply break off, ugh, and the mines begin to drift wherever they please, this is the first moment, the second moment, which is applied to in shallow water areas, these trolley anchors are moved along with the sandy soil, that is , literally six months after the mining of a certain area. it is no longer possible to say exactly where these mines are, even if you have the coordinates and the autumn-winter storms blow away the mines, and you see, our partners, allies, bulgarians, romanians, turks, all will not decide whether or not to involve them in anti-mine operations in the southern the western part. the sea on the routes

of movement of ships did not pass there, but mines are already floating there, they are caught, shot down, and they are there, the same thing is happening near the coast of crimea, in fact, the russians conduct for nothing, they compare the suez canal with the red sea, because there they soviet ships caught foreign mines, and now they... are engaged in combat demining of russian mines, which they attacked all the neighbors of the black sea region. tell me, please, mr. pavle, quite interesting and readable, in my opinion, the interview of the british edition of the times, a soldier of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine from pozanim-13, who reveals a little bit of details, and thanks to gur for allowing. look into

this realm, he reveals the details of the attack on the crimean peninsula on the very west coast, in particular by naval drones, yes. everything that has been done in this direction. as a result of the mission, the scouts destroyed two enemy landing craft of the akula and serna classes. we are talking about november 2023, that is, literally recently. both russian vessels went to the bottom together with the armored personnel carrier loaded on board. another drone exploded in the same repair dock. they are russian the occupiers knew that we would come, but they could not do anything. the joy was incredible. and here now one gets the impression that, in principle , the russians... even understanding and anticipating some kind of attack from the defense forces, they can do little to anticipate it, or we can say that they will act, well, i don't know, in the mode of some kind of

surprise for us , maybe reorienting their bases, the very docks where they can repair their ships and so on, because we know a lot about them, because we know. our crimea and we know suitable sites for such works and operations, can they create operationally something new, this applies both to the sea, and possibly to other land capabilities of the enemy? well, confrontation at sea , that is why it is called confrontation, because two sides are involved in it, and from the fact that each side knows the shortcomings, weaknesses of the enemy and the advantages of ... and correctly uses them, the result of hostilities is formed from this, and this is a very important criterion for staff work, well, on the other hand, it is, well , the key always depends on the person, the courage

of our soldiers and the enemy's fear of them such an image, a merciless ukrainian saboteur or the irresistible psychological influence of ukrainian drones - this is important, but i repeat, skill is also key, ugh, any raid that is not prepared is doomed to failure, that's what they say now. referring to the black sea attack, it is on the western coast of crimea, not far from the city of tarkhankut, why is this city so important, firstly, it is the radar systems, the enemy is located there, secondly, it is the point,

the westernmost base point of the russian black sea fleet in crimea, southwestern even, and the third is coastal infrastructure. russia, together with the annexation of the crimean peninsula, and definitely, our guys, a feature, for example, of the 73rd special operations center ochakivtsi, have repeatedly conducted training and training there, they know this place like the back of their hand, they know it. the advantages and disadvantages of the enemy and use them effectively, well, the enemy is doing everything it can, but i can remind you that about a month ago on the traverse of tarkhankut, there 2 km, even less, from the shore, 10 years ago,

a dry cargo, a dry cargo, landed, and on the stones there was standing, the russians blew it up, i... it was so strange, they said that some ammunition had been taken there, which had lost its combat effectiveness, there was a danger that we would take the ammunition there by dry cargo into the sea and blow it up there, so that nothing there was no, well , it doesn't seem like a strange explanation, of course, what is strange, that is, the enemy thought that this object of the sea was a kind of base. of our special forces, maybe yes, maybe not, in fact it was, but the fact is that potentially one landing point was destroyed, they will find another landing point, a point surveillance and strikes on the enemy will

continue, because we are strategically interested in destabilization, we must state the situation directly. mr. pavle, your short but professional comment: newsweek writes that russia plans to annex the sea of ​​azov. russian lawmakers plan to include i now include the sea of ​​azov, which is a common territory between ukraine and russia, as part of the russian federation, according to the 20-year-old treaty. they have a draft law on the recognition of the sea of ​​azov as an internal russian body of water intention to approve by the end of the 23rd year. why do they do this? in fact, they already use the sea of ​​azov alone, since they basically annexed the crimean peninsula, later occupied it. er, well, let's say this, the southeastern part, er, in particular, donetsk and zaporizhzhia regions.

please. well, in fact, the russians occupied the azov region, so to speak of the sea of ​​azov as internal waters, it is already de facto used by them. but there are a couple of nuances here. first, surprise. regarding any sea that surrounds russia. there is no russian federation of a separate legal act on its belonging to the territorial sea of ​​russia, there is a 1998 federal law that explains what the territorial sea and internal waters of the russian federation are, and according to this law, in my opinion, paragraph one, even there it is indicated, territorial sea or and internal inlets are marked by the main administration of navigation and cartography

of the russian federation in a notice to seafarers, that's all, it's not even a by-law , well, in fact, it is, it's a by-law, it's an order of the government of the russian federation, law, well, if the russians decided to adopt a separate law on the sea of ​​azov, then... it means that it is necessary for something, and remember, a week or two ago, after a loud scandal, you kicked russia out of the council of the international maritime organization, where it held leading positions for many years have dictated their conditions, that is, it can be related things, so of course, this is so, this is a spit, in the eyes of the international lay community about the fact that oh you are such and such and we are... the head of security programs of the center

for global studies strategy 21 was with us at communication, thank you for your professional view of the situation as of now. we will now take a short break, after which we will discuss the question i have already announced, which concerns the coverage of cases of resistance in the occupied territories of our country since 2014. porto miner on megogo, the dragon's lair battle will decide miner's fate, whether miners can reach the champions league play-offs, find out on december 13 at 22:00 exclusively on megogo. we continue the together berber project. let me remind you that this is a joint project

of the espresso tv channel and the atp tv channel, where we are we are talking about the problems of the occupied crimean peninsula so far. in fact, there is not a week when we do not receive reports of damage by the defense forces, or to put it another way, our special services, important objects on the territory that... are now controlled by the russian federation on our occupied territories, of course this week and about kerch, and about feodosia and about the old crimea, about the raid of unmanned aerial vehicles in the number, as the occupiers say, in the region of 40 pieces, and we understand what this really is, if this number may somehow be related to reality, then our ability to reach crimea is actually increasing, and we hope that

the enemy’s ability to resist in this sense is decreasing, there is information about the affected radar systems, fuel bases and and not only repair docks as well, well, now we will talk about who can help the defense forces to work efficiently and qualitatively on the territory of the crimean peninsula, exclusively on military facilities. i am happy to welcome you in touch with the studio maria toma, head of the service for ensuring the operation of the crimean platform at the representative office of the president of the autonomous republic of crimea. congratulations. you have mary, glory to ukraine. good day, heroes. glory. well, if possible, start with the main events, including the last few days. a meeting was held at the representative office with the participation of 30 diplomats representing the countries of the european union, nato, the group of seven to discuss the strategies developed by ukraine to overcome the russian colonization of the crimean

peninsula and other aspects of criminal activities of russia on the territory of the peninsula. exactly. we are greeted with such news by the website of the representation of the president of ukraine in the arc, come in, look , there is a lot of useful information, mrs. maria, a few words about this meeting and in general about how our partners and their representatives see the decolonization of the crimean peninsula, because 10 years of occupation is definitely a deep mark and a deep trauma of crimea. yes, thank you, well, first of all i want to say that we are very actively working with our international partners. and trying to convey the developments that we we are carrying out in relation to the reintegration of crimea , that is, this is a topic that everyone is interested in now, yes, that is, to put it simply, what will happen in crimea after ukraine liberates the peninsula, that is, what tactics and strategies will ukraine use in order to return a peaceful life

to crimea and return our government to crimea. and one of the key questions that arises, well, let's not hide it, concerns our partners, is what ukraine will do with those citizens of the russian federation who illegally came to the peninsula in 2013, well in fact, this is the colonization you mentioned, and this meeting was dedicated to actually conveying our position, because this is one of the key issues for us, which we worked out together with experts, in particular with olga duydeny, it is one of the unknowns, in my opinion, international lawyers working in ukraine, well, but also, of course, apart from this issue, it is very important for us to remind every time that the war in ukraine started 10 years ago, because now it is like this, again still, a communication challenge, on the eve of february next year, because many people say, they say, two years of war,

let's talk about what happened in those two years, and we say, wait a second, we have to talk about 10 years of wars, and it's not just arithmetic, it's not just mathematics, it's about that, strictly speaking, from which we will calculate the russian aggression and the understanding that the occupation of crimea is already the beginning of the war, not to mention the donbas, where it has already gone too far. that is why the definition of a big war or a large-scale invasion is very often offensive, because annexation and occupation even the smallest territory of our country, this is already a full-fledged act of aggression, and i don't know what could be more large-scale than, sorry, several million people who remained simply under occupation for such a long time, but these are purely rhetorical figures. maria, you, i actually wanted to talk to you about a topic that resonated very much, and thank you, not

only in the comments, but now on the air for an important post, i will quote it for ... now another narrative trend for our viewers around crimea, which is firstly false, and secondly this betrayal regarding compromises is that all the pro-ukrainian people have already left the peninsula, you have noticed this recently in the international press, and it is heard in the questions of our international partners, they say that there is now in crimea, from where, from there all the pro-ukrainian people have already left, and of course, this is not true, i know, let's not reach far to the foreign... press or to our international partners, let's talk about ukrainian society, and the case with iryna farion and the guy in crimea demonstrated, as i think very clearly, that in ukraine they are willing to believe anything in any special operation of russian propaganda or russian special services, but not that

pro-ukrainian people could even theoretically remain on the territory of crimea, especially of such a young age as we can refute it, i don’t know... read about some cases regarding these people, we understand that a lot of things happen not in public, a lot of things cannot be talked about at all, nevertheless, how can we break this truly ukrainian mainland stereotype about the fact that there are no people in crimea who can be relied on during the deoccupation? i absolutely agree with you, i have to agree, yes, in general, well, we often criticize, so to speak, the perception of... the topic of crimea by our international partners, because the observation you quoted is one of the observations, yes, that is, we can also recall such here. very expressive stories, such as elon musk's tweets, or barack obama's interview with christina manpur, where he said that there is a russian-speaking population in crimea, so they say the reaction

in the 14th year was not enough , and a lot can be said about it, but of course we cannot ignore, as they say, the elephant in the room and pretend that there are no such myths in ukrainian society, and besides what you are talking about , yes, i just caught myself. on not going far, so that my perception of crimea for a long time was also, well, essentially dictated by russian narrative myths, so that while living in ukraine i would know about crimea, its true face, including the one behind me in a painting by yuri khymych, here is this one bakhchisarai, yes, crimean tatar crimea, that is, we need to make an effort, yes, that is, because... let's say this, the perception that is formed automatically, it is not correct, and therefore already returning to that topic, about what you say, how should we

talk about it and and and keep it more in the focus of attention, well, we are trying , the representation on our social networks constantly publishes posts about the resistance in crimea, yes, i know that both you and specialized media, such as crimea realities, yes, constantly publish information about this, too, about... these cases persecution of people who are completely unknown to us, that is, these are not these activists that we know well, who during the years of occupation in one way or another resisted or engaged in human rights activities, these are people whose existence we did not know before knew, and maybe we won't even know their names, these are people who are in the court registers of the occupation judges of russia, we know that they got a tattoo with a map of ukraine in the internationally recognized borders and were arrested for it. to responsibility, well, there can be only one answer, it is necessary about this should be talked about more, mainstream media that are not specialized, that are not, do not work purely

in crimea, and we for our part, of course, can assure you that at every meeting we hold with international partners including, because this is to a greater extent the focus of my work, we have materials where we describe all these stories, and quote all these court decisions of the occupation e. is putin's red line, yes, or the place where the russian tsars rested, well , it’s wild to talk about it, but that’s how the international media write about a place where, even after 10 years of occupation, people are resisting, but we just need to talk more about it, well, in one of their last interviews you formulated a rather... clear and, in my opinion , acute thesis: the perception of the crimea topic directly affects the provision of sufficient military and other resources to ukraine. we constantly

talk about how we need one, second, third, fifth, tenth weapons and in what quantity we form these requests, we hope and look forward to providing this support, but according to your logic, and according to your thesis, it would be much more logical to do so from the correct formation. and, in particular, the topic of crimea, not to take it out of hand and not allow anyone to take it out of hand, that would help us get what we need now faster? i am convinced of this, and of course i have, that is, this is a thesis, this is my , let's say, a hypothesis, yes, this is what we feel in the air, if you like , yes, that is, of course, no one, i think, yes, we are not participants in the negotiations directly, regarding the provision of weapons to ukraine. of course, i think that no one there formulates the question in this way, yes, but it is present in the general narratives, in the fact that they generally talk about

crimea, maybe somewhere there behind closed doors, yes, or in general we understand that ukraine, for example , still obviously does not have the weapons we are counting on to help us liberate crimea. well, i'm not talking about... this kind of media buzz now, so to speak, which concerns possible compromises, which, as it were, should be made ukraine, yes, in order to stop the war already now, and it seems that this can somehow somehow correct the situation, we see that all this is growing, including from this false perception of crimea, which in the imagination even on... .allies, it is not because these people are bad, but because their perception has been shaped by russian narratives, that crimea has always been russian, yes, and for them this is

a real red line. and not, for example, the place from which the indigenous people were deported, and we absolutely have to put it in the center our perception of crimea and our calculations about which compromises are possible and which compromises are not possible, that is why this is actually a problem, thank you for your work and go to the rock, all i can say is to wish and thank you for your help, also thank you. tomak was in touch with us, the head of the service for ensuring the activities of the crimean platform in the representative office of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea, a person who has been engaged in the protection of human rights and the occupied crimea for years, in fact, well, it is coming to an end, this issue of our joint programs with the atr tv channel, together with beraber. i would probably like to finish with a small announcement, we

will definitely talk next week. about important events that took place in the ukrainian parliament, which directly or indirectly concern or will concern, in particular, the crimean peninsula. the parliament basically and as a whole voted for draft law 10, 288 on amendments to some laws of ukraine regarding taking into account the expert assessment of the council of europe and its bodies, regarding the rights of national minorities and communities in certain areas. this is a requirement european commission, this will help us on the way to european integration, but a balanced approach is definitely very important here, and i will probably add something, the crimean propagandists, journalists and colleagues, it is hard to call them, now they will zombify the zaporizhzhia and kherson regions, because they won some tenders for some rights to broadcast their crap products on the territory and

the mainland. of ukraine to the currently occupied territories, about this and not only next time, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, this is a joint project of espresso and atr, together, beraber. be with us. the saturday political club, khrystyna yatskiv, vitaliy portn is on the air. welcome you, and we will talk in this issue, of course, about the situation at the front, about the development of the situation in the middle east, about the latest meetings of vladimir putin and his statements, we will not overlook the prospect that another may appear on the world map the hot point is whether the main players are ready for this, but above all the situation on the fronts, oleksandr kovalenko, a military-political analyst of

the information resistance group, is in touch with us. mr. alexander, congratulations glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, good evening. congratulations, mr. oleksandr. so, let's start with the situation around avdiivka, this is now the most important hot moment in the war. how do you assess this situation? well, i'll say this, it's a pretty tense situation right now, why? because, ah, first of all, mainly the russian occupiers near avdiivka will use the infantry component. this infantry component, it consists of units of the first army corps. the first army corps is the formation of the illegal military formation of the so-called dnro, z precisely those mobilized that they are mobilizing in the temporarily occupied donetsk region, that is , they use them in the first echelon in almost all the main directions.

while most... of the most combat-capable russian units from the second combined arms army of the 41st general military army, they avoid any serious clashes, that is, the most combat-capable there are the 15th, 21st, 30th, separate motorized rifle brigades, the same , they are mainly located somewhere along the second line of 55 and 74, so they are near the water, they are there act but in the first line of action , the first separate motorized rifle brigade, still of the same first army corps, is predominant, all this indicates that the regulars are now engaged in regrouping and accumulating resources, as well as restoring the fighting capacity of their units after the unsuccessful, and the first and second waves of assault operations on audio, that is, they are preparing for more...