it's definitely about money, you 're showing it now, yes, it was a very beautiful ceremony on may 9, uh, in honor, if russian or counterbalance, and well, i think it's a mistake that it wasn't protested, it's necessary was to try to sign a bilateral agreement, we don't have a bilateral agreement, without a government agreement, this lendlis will not work, then the terms of the grant, who said that we must write down that everything is a loan, and maybe it is... such a system that we we take, well, we take the same loan there with tanks or missiles, but we give it back only if they are undamaged, yes, you can write down why it wasn't done , well, i know why, but it's wrong, it 's wrong, and why would they officially play along with it, it was a wrong move, it was necessary to convince the white house that the instrument of lendlease should be on the table, and now he can appear again, nda24 will be voted by the 17th, that's where i can tell you.

there is dignity, although mike johnson also questions it, and trump stands behind it. trump is fighting for what he, he felt, sorry, as they say in politics, blood, he felt it, what can they are putting pressure on him, and before he had the idea that they would only squeeze him out of the election, because they are chasing him in the courts, and now it has gone even more, now he is no longer just a participant in the election, so it is a small group of people, it seems, but they are taking what was marginal, it can become menstruum. in the republican party , this is a very dangerous thing, which was not there before, it is generally surprising the weakness of a great many friends, well, who have now come to terms with it and are adjusting, well, i mean to the american congress, i see how they all, well, look at lynsey graham before, lynsey graham now, look at the statements of our people from the ukrainian caucus, well, of course they are with our president or with a delegation, hurrah, hurrah, everything that concerns their elections is here...

the story is a little different, so let's see, there is a bargain, well today i called it literally two hours ago, i haven't had a conversation yet, i said 40%, well today i would say 20%, but it's already on your air, two hours have passed, it's one conversation with two people there in america, who know the situation better, made a special call before the transmission, so we to be honest, i'm tired of drinking validol every day, today we're drinking it... well, i still say they won't have time until christmas, after that i'd like to clarify, it's christmas, what will happen after christmas, let's after easter , no, well, after easter is already too much, i explain, it’s not that they won’t have time by christmas, it’s just that by christmas, with a high probability, the white house will hold the position of the package, well, this 106 billion is where ukraine, israel, and taiwan and the border every time. but

after that it won't happen anymore, because then, then there will be two options: scenario a, 12 accepted laws, the budget, and then, in principle , ukrainian aid can be voted on separately, which means that it will most likely be reduced, the democrats are already starting to look at this as an option, or the second scenario would be that they all fail to adopt the budgets, and then there will be mike johnson the winning line will be... still have temporary budgets extended to january and february, eight laws until january, and four laws until february, and this is a bad story, because in the temporary funding that they have now for all programs, yes, in order to prevent a shutdown, ukrainians have that money they were not included, they were not included here, and if they wanted to accept them as a package, then it will be a different story, now ukrainian financing will be included in these temporary things, and these are completely different conditions and... it will be different volumes,

it is hardly possible there will break through the budget 11.7 in direct our budget, which salaries are paid, so there is a lot of uncertainty, i would say yes, but honestly, even you know that this is all and you look at the draft laws, everything is like this today , like tomorrow, so it is necessary, i guess we have to wait, we already have everything that can be done, in my opinion, they did it, just wait until december 15 and then already under new conditions, where are you... how will the situation develop, but we need to draw conclusions that we should not work urgently, not at the last moment, that this whole story is for the next a year after the war, this is part of the lobbying of interests in key countries, that it should be done systematically, have a plan, see when dozens of delegations go there not at the last moment, but two or three months before that, that is, plan more carefully, that is do bug work and do s...

a systematic approach has been coordinated for the next, very difficult year, because it will be even tougher there, because it is an election year. mr. valery, a few words about the visit of the ukrainian delegation , yarmak, umirov, stefanchuk, to the united states, and in general about the west . this is still absolutely such a frame story, which will need to be filled and everything will again depend from our capabilities and those of the united states. regarding arrival. this forum of defense technologies was planned in advance, but it coincided with the consideration of aid to ukraine, which is good, because these companies are lobbyists for obtaining funds. 80%, well, i said 80, but i heard 90, 90%

of the funds, it was antony blinkin who said yesterday, go directly to the manufacturers of weapons in america, 90% of all this military funding, so obviously they are interested behind the scenes. there is still a serious struggle for these pieces of the budget, i.e. military orders, that too there is, and this is also part of this compromise that they are currently considering, so the delegation itself, as i already said, was urgent at the last moment, as for the military part, it was interesting, there are some more, i cannot evaluate the memorandum, i do not i saw the text, the memorandum, as a rule, it is a framework document, it is not a commitment, you know, contracts must be signed there, in principle. there are all the conditions without the memorandum, i don’t know why the memorandum, because you just need to have access to sales, we got it in the 18th year, we need to have guarantees on export control, we have a working group of the strategic

commission, the americans trust us, we have already corrected the situation in iran, there were nuances, but now there are none, and we have, well, according to other regimes, in the same rk, rt and the other, that is, there is none. reasons why the americans cannot sell weapons to ukraine and produce them together. there is another question, and what types of weapons, types we, well, let's put it this way , i don't want words, will be allowed to use, but in fact the influence of the united states is so great that without their consent in the distribution of types of production and this chain of production of weapons, we will not do anything, i really hope that they will give us... well, we know that they are ready to give us, well, we are doing it, there are cartridges, ammunition, shells, but we need missiles, we need them missiles with a range of 100 km, will they help us in this, i am not sure that they will help us, therefore armored vehicles are

a good thing, we would have made good armored vehicles before and tanks are good, but their cost is only for export, well, it is a waste now produces, i don't know, you know, i know, we know some things are public, the same drones with the french, large drones with 1.5 tons of ammunition, these are all good things, well , you know, it's all a perspective, we already have to fight now, and now we need, relatively speaking, not five drones , and today we need 100 00 fvp drones for the front, so i am not involved in this, that is, like us, so... i will say this, you ask if it is useful, useful, breakthrough revolutionary, no, there is nothing revolutionary now, it would be revolutionary, yes , it was revolutionary last year direct non-contact combat, drones, yes, that’s all, if someone thought two years ago, all of us, that

in two years there will be a war, russia will attack, and we need 100,000 drones, well, we did not think in such categories, so the authorities are not hunting for... then all these drones and their the importance still could not replace the main types of weapons: artillery and everything else, so yes, it is clear that it was of primary importance. thank you, mr. valery, for the inclusion. valery chaly, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states from 2015 to 2019. well, we are for a few moments we will move on to our next topics. let's just remind you that tsahal's operation in the gas sector continues. and operation atlantis israel is ready to flood the tunnels of hamas , in fact extremely vivid footage from the gas sector, in particular, how the hamasites leave their shelters and are actually in danger of being destroyed, the world of god is coming out, but

will this be enough to talk about complete eradication of this terrorism from the gas sector, and how long it will take to eradicate it. still in israel, we will talk about it with our next guest, right away i will announce another extremely important topic: putin and his visit to the united arab emirates and saudi arabia. ravia, what it was and whether anything was agreed upon with raisi, the president of iran directly in the russian federation. let's start our conversation with igor simivalos, director of the middle eastern studies center. congratulations, mr. igor. congratulations, congratulations. well, and here is the fact that putin really went to the united arab emirates of saudi arabia for the first time since february 2022. and he was met there. like sheikhs sheikh with this in the wake of the three-hour

wake of uae aircraft during putin's arrival at president alnakhayan's palace with all the words of love and courtesy he heard from both the emirati and saudi leaders, i won't even ask you why putin, why them putin? ugh. well, i think that here... well , you don’t have to, don’t confuse eastern hospitality and an attempt to show your hospitality in this way, including to putin himself, with their real attitude towards putin, here you always have to understand, what is the difference between these two things is pretty big, but really, why do they need putin, that's a good question, given just the fact that putin is... today is a situational ally of saudi

arabia and the united arab emirates in the context of the war in gaza and for the arabs, for the countries , who consider themselves important in terms of making decisions in the middle east and influencing such decisions, and the russian position is important. yes, this is a situational union. this, in principle, we cannot yet talk about any permanent relations, although, if we consider the united arab emirates, then here without doubt, there is much more economic, economic cooperation, and the united arab emirates has long been and actively used in russia specifically to overcome sanctions against russia, and there are many russian companies operating in the emirates, relocated or simply registered,

which are engaged in the supply of products and items of dual appointment, and there was a lot of talk about it, and criticism of this particular country sounded from different platforms, but in general we can now say that these countries meet putin as such an ally. in the context of war in gas, and for them it is important precisely to strengthen their position and possible, possible future trades with the americans, we show that not only america is united, just as they once did with china, and accordingly we force the americans to act more resolutely, quickly and make some decisions that will benefit the arab world, but by the way, they said that... in fact, saudi arabia wanted to hear from putin an explanation regarding russia's possible withdrawal from the opec

plus agreements, that putin during his visits they said that he will provide additional data on russian oil refining. it could not be part of the need to personally visit prince muhammad and al-nahyan. well, it seems to me that the composition of the delegation just shows that they see these countries as important from the point of view of economic support for russia. and as for opec plus, there are undoubtedly some contradictions and discussions there, but it seems to me that in this case, russia's position is not the basis for decision-making within this organization, after all, russia is rather a plus there than opec, so it is clear that this discussion could have been and it is quite possible that putin... provided some certain explanations, but frankly, well, let's be honest, in order to

make such a visit, and well, and for the sake of such explanations, well i think this is a bit too much, but with regard to the visit of the president of iran, which khrystyna mentioned, it can be assumed that putin is still trying to be a mediator between saudi arabia and iran, that... he says something about something in saudi arabia, then discusses the same topic with the president of iran, that there is an attempt to show such a great geopolitical role in the region? well, they all play there. let's remember beijing and xinjiang, which is also playing on this very topic, and the iranian-saudi controversy and an attempt to, if not reconcile, at least bring them together, yes, so in this case it is quite possible that this topic was also discussed, i suppose that also discussed, well, since it was already

stated there that the ukrainian war was also discussed, and it is quite possible that here in the future we will hear... initiatives from of saudi arabia, the same united emirates, that is, about the release of some part of ukrainian children there, that is , it is also possible, because the arabs never play one goal, they will try to save face in any weather and keep a certain distance, despite to the fact that yes, in this case, this situational rapprochement between russia and the arab countries, well... ugh, let's continue to talk about what is happening now in israel and in the gas sector, in particular, the third phase of the tzagal ground operation, what about it wait and how the course of hostilities is developing in general , mr. igor, well, what can we expect from it, the continuation of bombings, murders and actually

a lot of blood on both sides, that is, in principle , we are not expecting anything new during the last two months. and it is obvious that this war is dragging on, essentially for the whole winter. well, by the way, this is not characteristic of the region, that the armed conflict has been going on for so long. we never analyzed the consequences of the long-term conflict in the middle east, because all the wars were going on, well , how long did israel's lebanon war last, mr. yehor? well, she is there was already an active phase of the war there, it was there for several weeks, yes, up to a month, and then it was over. and there was a positional war , yes, that is, when israeli troops were on lebanese territory there for a long time, well, i am not talking about southern lebanon, in this case there are active hostilities, that is, it is really not characteristic of the israeli strategy of waging wars, short-term wars that do not significantly

affect the economy, since they do not create it. pressure of the economic, well, and accordingly, you are not pulled out of the economy a large number of men. in this case , we still see that the war continues, and this means, on the one hand, the complexity of this war, it is clear that the war in the city is not a war somewhere in the fields, but even there a war on the west bank. but i would say that here it is very similar to such a grueling, that is, what i could compare it to, you remember the first first antifada, the first antifada that had the character of such a non-violent pro -palestinian for a long time, and in the end it also significantly there throughout

for several years it undermined the israeli economy, it seriously affected the situation inside. and on the security situation, well, on the serious criticism from the european, in general, the world community, of israel's position, and here israel may actually find itself in a similar situation, but much faster, because it is conducting active hostilities and many are already comparing israel itself and the war in israel with the fact that the war is being waged. run by the russians, and you don't even have to go far, there was an israeli general here recently explaining the long, long war in gaza, and the necessity of bombing, bombing, for example, the bandage connected it with mariupol and said that the russian army also bombed mariupol for a long time, so in principle there are a lot of such interesting moments here, and the further, the

greater the criticism will grow, and it is obvious that a... for israel, these are critical times, well actually from the point of view of international support for this war. and to what extent israel generally needs international support for this war, if it is supported in this situation the united states? this is important, and the arab countries practically maintain neutrality. you noticed that during putin's visit to saudi arabia and the emirates, neither the saudi nor the emirates even used the situation to talk so loudly about gas. only the president of iran spoke about it. not an arab. and without a doubt, without a doubt, i don't think that now the arab countries, realizing that the actual conversation with putin about gas is realistic from the point of view. russia's influence on this situation can give something, and it is clear that this is what we are talking about about the united states of america, but the situation in the united states of america is also changing,

as far as possible, based on the same israeli press that is critical, well, from that part of the israeli press that is critical of netanyahu, there you can at least clearly understand that in the americans are also running out of patience from the point of view that... they want to see what will be after the end of the war, what will be the peace after the end of the war, and there is no such thing, the lack of a clear and understandable position that would put an end and give a perspective for of the palestinian population, not only from gaza, but also from the west bank, that is, at least it opened up the possibility of future changes, that's more than anything. ugh, we unfortunately lost contact with mr. igor, unexpectedly, but i believe that he said what we wanted to hear, he said that there is no such

picture of the future, by the way, in the russian-ukrainian war as well , you don't have a picture of the future, this is the biggest problem of all these conflicts, but we will talk about it after the commercial, so stay with us and we will continue our dialogue with christina. verdict with serhii rudenko, now in a new two-hour format. even more analytics, even more important topics, even more top guests, foreign experts, inclusion from abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and even feedback, you can express your opinion on the day of the day using the telephone survey, turn on and turn on, verdict with serhiy rudenko, every weekday from 20 to 22 at espresso. there is a war going on, and not only for territories, it is also a war. for minds russia throws millions of petrodollars into turning ukrainians into malorossiv let's counter the information attacks

of the russians in the chronicles of information war project with olga len. monday, tuesday, thursday at 17:15 on the espresso tv channel. we continue. saturday political club, vitaly portnikov and khrystyna yatskiv. yes, my favorite part of our program, to be honest, is when you can ask questions and hear comprehensive answers to them all. actually, president of venezuela, let's take a look at latin america. nicolas maduro, who is well known, in particular, to ukrainians for his friendship and general support for putin's policy, signed six decrees on the annexation of the part. neighboring guyana, let me just remind you that we are talking about the sekibo region, in which in 2015, if i am not mistaken, such rather specific deposits

of energy resources were found, the development of this whole story began, american campaigns were involved, by the way, in the development, and what about venezuela historically does not recognize these territories as guyanese, at least because they used to belong to the british colony, even with this they... the elts do not agree, in fact they showed this allegedly on december 4 in a referendum held by among the population of venezuela itself, by the way, i do not know what this referendum showed, and whether it was held among the population of this region itself, why, if the people of venezuela believe that this is our crimea, why hold a referendum, although the russians held a referendum in crimea, but they it was occupied before that, well, since venezuela could not occupy it, it does not spend there. referendum, by the way, i have to tell you that against the background of this referendum, the guyanese put a flag, the flag of guyana, on one of the hills of essequiba, and venezuela

showed a telecast where the representatives the essequi indigenous peoples, as they call it, took down the guyana flag and placed the venezuelan flag there, because they consider themselves an integral part of the venezuelan people. well, in general, you need to understand one important thing, in principle, territorial disputes between countries of latin america have been going on for two centuries in a row. it seems to us that this is a stable continent. there is no stability there. ugh. fierce wars have been going on between the countries of latin america for all these 200 years. you know that 2/3 of paraguay's population died in one of these wars. 2/3 of the population. imagine itself, the scale of these wars, which are simply very far from us, so we do not dwell on it. another great example is... bolivia, which was cut off from the sea by neighboring countries, and it left a naval academy on one of the high mountain lakes, and there it continues to receive, finance, it has

a navy that... trains on this lake , uh, admirals, sailors, everything is kept in the hope that sooner or later bolivia will return to its territory at sea, which for all other countries is the sovereign territory of the republic of chile, uh, and again i will not to give a large number of examples, because if you look at each country a little carefully, maybe there are no such conflicts between the so-called portuguese-speaking and spanish-speaking worlds of latin america, because all the portuguese-speaking colonies have united in brazil, it is a federated country, which united as states all the territories that had previously been part of the portuguese influence, the spanish influence led to the fact that the entire spanish-speaking latin america split into different countries, and in addition, the last part

of the spanish-speaking... america, mexico, which had territorial conflicts with the united states, as you know, a third of the united states is the former mexico, including texas, california and others, the states on the border with the mexican united states, they are called that, the essequibo conflict began in about 1800 14. and it is also clear, venezuela was a spanish possession, uh, then there were dutch possessions, then there were british possessions, the british united their territories due to the fact that they bought some territories or received from the dutch, spanish, the colonizers of latin america did not recognize this and believed that these dutch

territories just belong to... their sphere of influence , there was never a clear border between the colonies of great britain and spain, and between independent venezuela and british guiana, as this territory was called, in the end, this conflict was settled as if along the borders that exist now, but venezuela continued to count. that this is not the final settlement of the conflict. during the time of hugo chávez, in principle, there were very warm relations between the two countries, because it is necessary to understand that venezuela and guyana, strange as it may sound, are governed by left-centered parties. it's just that in venezuela, there is now one large left-center party, in guyana there are two of them, because there is a party that is oriented towards the population of indian origin, there is a party that is oriented towards the population of african

origin, and they will change. each other in power, but in principle their ideology is very similar, this is the famous story of the struggle of the founders of modern guyana, burnham and jagan, jagan was the leader of the national party, but burnham decided that he wanted to fight for power, and the only thing he could rely on was not the african population, he took the africans out of that party, ruled guyana there for 20 years, then there was a constant change of leaders, from one party to another, just not was it is one of the parties of influence, and it is clear that ugachaves did not want to quarrel with them, and even introduced petrocari to his organization, which allowed guyana to buy venezuelan oil at domestic prices, as we say putin does with belarus, but then they really found oil, and here of course in venezuela they mentioned that the border was not fixed, and the guyanese immediately turned to the un international court of justice to

put it once and for all. in this story, venezuela does not recognize the jurisdiction of the international court, and here the question arises, what next? the referendum was passed, 10% of venezuelans participated in it, that is, it was also a very conditional referendum, and for venezuela itself. maduro created the state of essequiba, there is a state, there is a new map of venezuela for essequiba as part of venezuela, there is a state administration, there is a governor who works on the border. and... the autonomous president of ukraine in autonomous there is no control, well, we have a representative of the republic of crimea, and there are no borders, and on the map , ukrainian crimea is ukraine, it’s just that it is internationally recognized in our country, it is not recognized internationally in the nces, it is like russia, but just russia on the contrary, so to speak, russia has control over the annexed territory, and vnsl has no control, but has a map and has it...