of the un international court of justice to put an end to this story once and for all. venezuela does not recognize the jurisdiction of the international court of justice. and here the question arises, what's next? the referendum was passed, 10% of residents participated in it. that is, it is also a very conditional referendum for even venezuela itself. maduro created an eskiba state. there is a state, there is a new map of venezuela, zskiva is part of venezuela. there is a state administration, there is a governor. who works on the border, and there is no border control over these territories, but we have a representative of the autonomous president of ukraine in the autonomous the republic of crimea, but there is no border, and on the map ukrainian crimea is ukraine, it’s just that we recognize it as international, and venezuela is not recognized as international, it’s like russia, but just russia on the contrary, so to speak, russia has control over the annexed territory, while venezuela has no control but has a map and has. the governor, like us, here is such

, i would say, a hybrid moment, that is, he behaves like russia, and he has control like us, but everyone looks at the situation, thinks, well, what will he do tomorrow, because the guyanese are an army, there are 800 persons, venezuela has one of the largest of the strong armies of latin america, and besides , the favorite child of any venezuelan regime, well, ugachavets was a military man, the presidents of venezuela were military men for a very long time, this is serious. power, well, for guyana it is definitely a serious power, what to do if venezuela occupies 2/3 of the territory of guyana, this must also be understood, guyana and sequibo, essequiba is 2/3 of the territory of guyana, and there are almost no people living there, so what what is the focus, here we say, and how will guyana exist, as it existed, and will exist, because the majority of the population of guyana does not live in the territory of sakib, these are forests, but it has access to the shelf for oil, even if

it occupies this territory, thus the border where venezuela, guyana and brazil meet each other changes, brazil does not want, as we now understand, some bloody confrontation about borders or redistribution of borders, it is in their interests for all this to happen in a non-violent way, which is why they are now more on the side of, as we understand, guyanese and the united states, unexpectedly, the states, and this is where the interests in the region converge, so to speak. of course, not everyone they want something to happen in general , which would again violate international law , besides, don't forget, there is already an opportunity for oil production there, uh, this opportunity arose there almost four years ago, now there are already large global companies that can do this to...

to extract, and again they appeared in september, and now it's november, and it's already december, december, so chest, so that means that there is an exsonmobil, i think that the people who represent interests of exsonmobil, they can ask questions and the state department in the pentagon, and to drill or not to drill, what to do, you will protect our investments, which are internationally legitimate, but we are not doing anything illegal. there is a sovereign state, there is the permission of its government for operations, should we do these operations or not, what will you do if venezuela seizes this territory, and we know that the first thing it will do is nationalize this, these oil deposits and expel all foreign companies, will invite russian and chinese ones, yes, well, that is clear, the truth, absolutely, well, there is a serious problem here, which of course... maybe it wouldn't be so

relevant for us if it weren't for our war. just imagine , the war in ukraine has been going on for hundreds of days, right? the war in israel on the territory of the gas sector has been going on for tens of days, and there will be a third war in latin america, and the states will not be able to ignore it, well, of course, let's say, well , they captured esyakiba and that's all, the states are not west of nicholas anyway. it was believed that in the end it was possible to settle the situation in a historic way, because the president of venezuela agreed to fair elections, and everyone thought, what is he going to do with such a business agreement, he will lose the election? no, not ours, or absolutely not necessarily, if the elections will take place against the background of a small victorious war, as nicolas maduro hopes, then he can win these elections, and the regime can collapse, but we remember that a very similar situation. .. was

with the argentine generals, who believed that they were losing popularity with the population and that elections would have to be held soon, sooner or later, and general leopolda galzieri... the last head, the penultimate, of the argentine military administration, decided that he will conduct a small victorious battle for the falkland islands, but great britain will not send its troops to some rocks hundreds of thousands of kilometers from great britain itself. and as you know, he clashed with margaret thatcher, who was absolutely convinced that this should be done, and by the way, there was huge opposition to this in the british society. thinkers, everyone believed that the process of decolonization had already taken place, that we should forget about the falklands, that great britain should not send its, its fleet to such a huge distance, because it is no longer an empire anyway, but margeret thatcher was based on the issue of legitimacy, that is, relatively speaking, if we negotiate with someone legitimately about

independence, about the transfer of this territory, as was the case later with hong kong, if you remember, this is one story , if they are just forcing their will on us, then we have to defend ourselves, uh, and... besides, there was another important point, that argentina considered the falkland islands to be its malvinas , but the population of the territory wanted to live as part of the united kingdom, ugh there were no people there who wanted to be part of argentina, i mean we don't know if they are in szczyba and in that situation margaret thatcher made a decision that buried the argentine military as a political factor because all the argentinians thought , they then... they said about them, but at the time when there was a war, as you understand, they were very popular, uh, the junta became popular with the population, general galtieri was considered a national hero there, the argentines don't remember it much, but these are the days until the british came

fleet, there was such a patriotic hysteria, because it must be understood, the argentines never thought and do not think that this is british territory. if you think that any argentinians now think that this is british territory, no, they are simply forced to reckon, if you will, with international law and force, but that this is argentina , everyone in argentina is sure of it, just like everyone in russia, what do they think about crimea, that it is ours, that it is ours, and just like that, i assure you , in venezuela, one way or another, people simply cannot help but think that this territory is a sekiba worth the war, but they have no doubt that this is their territory, that's the big problem. these territorial claims, they may exist, most people, as a rule, think, well, this is our historical, our political, but let's not fight about it, until an idiot appears who says: no, i'm ready to fight , general galtieri, putin or maduro, and then it turns out that the population

says, well, go to war, because this, that is , there are no doubts that it is right, that it is ours, the discussion is only about how necessary war and... of course, a person cannot send an army to win back what he considers his own, but if someone sends for him, someone makes this decision, galchieri, maduro and putin, it is absolutely normal, by the way, from this well, there are those who believe that putin's regime could be undermined if russia loses crimea, because it will be absolutely obvious to most russians that putin has lost territory that should be russian, uh, and that could be a problem with... to what extent the regime will be able to explain to its citizens what happened, but we we understand that the russians will continue to wait for the return of crimea, let's say , the putin regime will fall, and what does this mean that russia will want to give up crimea, no, it

can simply consider that it has not reached, has not reached a situation in which it can be return , but most people will believe that putin... made a huge mistake if he did not hold crimea, which will have to be returned later, those politicians will win who will know how to do it, how to destabilize ukraine, that's just us doomed to this, well, you see, i say again, for 200 years venezuela argued with guyana about this territory, here came the time x, uh, when the referendum took place and the official inclusion of esquibo in the folding took place. now the question arises, if maduro loses the election, does this mean that the next president of venezuela will issue a decree that will cancel maduro's decision, no, you know it, like with the british brexit, that is

, everyone who came probably understood that it was not the best idea, but, but what will be done is brexit, and that's it, it's ours, and it will be ours, by the way, so maybe you and i will understand the logic better now. oleksiy navalny, who was so unpleasant to everyone here, who said that crimea is not a sandwich, and said as he can, he must clearly say that crimea is ukrainian territory, he will return it. ukrainians in 48 hours, but navalny talked about the political reality of russia, which even he cannot deny, that there are some decisions that are not reversible, they can be changed by force, but this will not change them legally, we have to talk about this legally with from the point of view of the country in which they are passed, from the point of view of venezuela and guyana, finally we can do this homework, you said that you agree that the president of venezuela will next... it will be very difficult to cancel maduro's decree, and for the next president of russia, it will be easy to cancel

the non-presidential decision, maduro at least did not conduct it through the parliament, he conducted it exclusively through his own referendum and his decree, so it is still possible to work with it somehow, but here is what happened with russia and ukraine, there is the constitutional right of russia and there is the constitutional right of ukraine, the constitutional right of ukraine, which clearly says, the autonomous republic of crimea, sevastopol, ugh, donetsk. luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions, among those territories that are part of ukraine. and it is still internationally recognized. so. and we say, this is a fact. and there is a constitutional right of russia. which says the same thing. the republic of crimea, sevastopol, danetska people's republic, luhansk people's republic, kherson oblast, zaporizhzhya oblast are subjects of the russian federation. it constitutional law of russia. we say what does it matter, it is not recognized by any country in the world. well, it is not recognized. and what? how does it affect? the essence of russia's constitutional law, after russia even recognized the priority of its own legislation

before its international obligations, well, when there is no longer even a real clause in its constitution that would allow the annulment of decisions that were adopted by its russian parliament, the president and confirmed by the constitutional court of the russian federation, so no way, so let's imagine the best option for us, we... liberated our entire territory, put border posts there, joined nato and the european union, imagine this, we don't have a war with the russian federation, what does the constitution of the russian federation look like, did they change it or not? no, they did not change it, after all, it still looks like this now, according to their constitution, kherson is still theirs, but...

okay, what will happen to their constitution, we really have to worry about it, and the world has to worry about it, we can not worry, and the world may not care, but we are, in there is a neighboring state, close by, that considers us. part of our territory as its own, even if it does not control it, what kind of relationship do we have, the relationship is strained, well, let's take japan, japan considers that its northern territories are occupied by the russian federation, what kind of relationship? there is no peace treaty after 1945 between japan and russia, no, there are no real relations that would be allowed there. invest in russia and so on and so on, this is always done very carefully,

and so on, but these are small pieces of territory still in the sea, it is not there, there is no dry border by land, when there was a land border between japan and russia on the island of sakhalin, everything was even worse, but it is gone now, well, how does it basically affect our future life? in principle, we have a closed border with or we agree that russia can do so, well, as georgia has de facto agreed in principle, russia controls abkhazia, south ossetia, but russian citizens have a visa-free regime to georgia, tourism is more important than all these things, they somehow trade there, they have, well , they have direct air connections, they do not have diplomatic relations, by the way, anyway, they already have everything, even diplomatic relations cannot be restored. because these territories do not allow, well, but we have an even worse situation, as you understand, because here,

well, there is a problem, well, the real problem of khrystyna is for the future, because we will most likely live with a closed border with russia, as armenia has been living there for decades with a closed border with azerbaijan and turkey, that is, this is the way east for us ... it is not needed now, because we are at war with russia, but i am talking about the global the future, it will be closed, there all life, because it will always be clear. that if we start to restore diplomatic relations with russia, then we tacitly agree that it has the right in its constitution to have, to have our territories recorded, that it can be like that at all, imagine another situation, that we have not returned control over these territories, we have a truce with russia there

, some kind of peace there, some kind of political agreement on non-aggression, but they control part of our territory, it is written... in our constitution and in their constitution, what i'm talking about, it 's by and large a deadlock situation, political, not military, and we definitely understand that we are also, we are a country that is completely turned towards the west, and we don't have all of these economic opportunities that we and russia could have, all these ways from china, all these distant future for our viewers, let's say, yes, about such a far, far perspective, not now, no, why not far, it ... it is not far off, even if the war ends next year, we will be here this is such and such an economic life, we lived differently, it was a different economic life, the transit gas pipeline, do you remember how many discussions we had about it, how many billions it brought to our budget, it will no longer exist next year and that's all, ukraine no longer a transit country, our role as

a transit country from east to west is over, so you know what that means, it's very... just economically, imagine a railway, even, i saw it with my own eyes, there was such a famous railway in austria-hungary, which passed through metalo, from metal ore plants in slovenia, which were in jesenice, uh, to the port in trieste, it was all austro-hungarian, and now it is skansen, such a small road, there is a regular slovenian railway, a large railway. if you go up somewhere in the mountains, there goes this choo-choo-choo-choo-choo-choo, between several settlements in slovenia, the railway, which used to be a trans-way to the port, you understand, because the port is in italy, iron ore plants a long time ago or closed or redirected to the countries of the former yugoslavia, and no one needs this road, it is a dead end, it

it's just very beautiful, oh you're going, my god, what a landscape, how good that there is a railway here, and it was built not in order to see the beauty... but in order to get millions of dollars or whatever there were then, what then there was a railway, where the monetary unit in austria-hungary was to be earned, well, look, you are talking about a situation when, i just have to live until tomorrow, as they say, and survive as a country and have at least some kind of economy and at least some savings, such actions, like and like maduro, like putin, the situation is going to a dead end, here we are, in this railway, bald. and where does the train from mykhailivskyi khuterer go next, conditionally, nowhere , here is the terminus, here no further, the train does not go any further, of course, as at the lebetska metro station, we have flooded this part of our economic life, and maybe forever, and it’s simple,

that’s why that he didn't just occupy our territories there, he didn't just declare them some kind of republic, because he annexed them and wrote them into his... specifically, in any case, no matter how events develop, to drive us into this and this role neighborhood, if not our own, then european, and we were not neighborhood, we were a transit state, and it must be understood that these actions of his are aimed at depriving us of this status, that even if we want to become a transit state, we cannot, because he stole the territory from us and wants us it was recognized, recognition of territorial realities. here is just an interesting story, which looks much more accurate on the example of guyana, because what is sekibo, a wonderful beautiful natural park that overlooks the ocean, where there is oil, and if madura captures it, what will it be, a marginalized area in which oil not it will be possible to finish, because all this will be under

sanctions, venezuela itself will also be under new sanctions, and it is not known where the oil will go, by the way. i will just clarify: venezuela and the sanctions of the united states, all this will return , in which case, of course, it will intensify, and not return, it is already there, they did not cancel the sanctions, it will intensify. well, will venezuela then think about its actions in relation to guyana, it just thinks terribly, this is what maduro thinks, what is important to him, to become president, to remain president, or to get oil sell? i think that the presidency is more important, if you are the president, somehow you will grow with oil, and if you are not the president, what difference does it make to you what you sell? what you don't sell, you need to protect the government, well, let's imagine guyana after that, which was like this, but has become like this, and which was always the poorest country. in one of the poorest countries of the continent, suddenly got an opportunity for development, and growth there was good, economic growth there was 40%

per year every year, for three years in a row, people finally got, very similar to ukraine, the opportunity to live normally, the guyanese government finally has investments, the opportunity to properly invest these revenues and all this other stuff, and here we all live in... a part of the territory in a military conflict, we have some un troops there, if russia and china are allowed to send there , and we actually live in such a world that we are completely indifferent to, that we have not done anything bad to anyone, that's all, we, the guyanese inherited this territory from the british empire, we did not conquer it from anyone, as, by the way, the ukrainians this territory is ukrainian. we inherited it from the soviet union, we did not recapture it from russia, we did not go anywhere, we did not come to crimea with ukrainian troops and

say, ukraine will be here from here, no, it is our imperial heritage, like russia, its the territory is an imperial heritage, the republic of tovina has nothing to do with russia from the point of view of international law, and it is generally buryatia, ee china, i apologize, china, the chinese empire always. were considered until 1944 on all maps you can see the maps of the world, this is china, but what , what, what should russia do now, give tov to china in this situation, it would be good for the people of tov, by the way, and look, we now have the world , here and there, there is annexation, the desire to occupy the seized territory of a neighboring country for various reasons, and of course for large countries... players and democracies, it would probably be more logical simply not to give the opportunity to such a precedent, but for this it would be necessary to go back in time and

to punish russia for crimea, well, in my subjective opinion perhaps a point of view, and russia will also be punished for georgia in 2008, and we can go back decades like that with you, but a precedent has been set, and this is a working scheme, and if there are any bu'. free somewhere in the world, he turns to this scheme, what, what exits do we have from this closed circle? looks very unpromising, i think that in 1991 it was still necessary to think about what the situation with transnistria or abkhazia or south ossetia would look like, and it was necessary to clearly demand from russia in exchange for the recognition of its independence that russia agree to the need for restoration.

for the people who live there in this region, it became a disaster if in 1991 the west demanded yerevan and baku to sit down at the transition table, come to an agreement, and create a clear scheme of autonomy there. armenians in azerbaijan back when there was no understanding of what its borders would look like in general, when these countries themselves were not sure that they would be recognized as sovereign states, well, those were opportunities, but no one started to do it, everyone was just happy, oh, it's good that the soviet union didn't fall apart like yugoslavia did, yes, we used to tell these fictions here, i think i once told that in december 1991, at the end, i invited him to dinner. before the new year of his yugoslav colleagues, journalists from the former yugoslav republics, which were no longer yugoslav at that time, they were already sovereign states,

and there was already a war going on, but they, we communicated with each other, they communicated with each other, that's how it is it looked strange, and i said during this dinner, well, you see, we can at least raise a toast to the fact that the timetable of the soviet union, which you and i are the only ones, because only journalists of the union republics of the src. because we lived in multinational states, unlike all others, and we knew what their price was, and this is what we expected and feared, that it would go according to the yugoslav version, that it actually ended peacefully, that we managed to transition peacefully before the creation of our states, and here my croatian colleague says: hello, can you just not be called real yet? i remembered it for the rest of my life, i thought that this was the most accurate analysis, probably if we got out of this situation peacefully, and kravchuk and

shkevich also said that if we ... did not sign the agreement, there would be a war with russia, that is , they believed that the russians were of such a mood that by simply signing the cis agreement, they postponed the situation there, that the russians decided that nothing actually disintegrated, uh, well , if they realized that it actually disintegrated, i don't know how they would have behaved even then, well, they eventually began to behave like this when they realized that they were simply deceived there in 91, what... a lie was pushed instead of the future union state, in which they sincerely believed, ukrainians cannot without the russians, no, this was such an important moment, in 1991 and 1992, this moment was omitted, because everyone had to ask yeltsin, what are you supporting in transnistria, we live in democratic russia, you should help democratic moldova, not create a quasi-state there, say that moldova should restore its sovereignty on its territory, what are you

suddenly forbidding? why can't you get this teraspol region to be part of moldova, why are you keeping your army there, what is going on at all, none of this didn't say, and then it was definitely like that when there was chechnya, and i'm not talking about yugoslavia, think that if milosevic had not been invited to dayton, where he actually signed up for the ethnic cleansing of muslims and croats on a large scale... parts bosnia, because you understand that this bosnia is, this republika srpska in bosnia, it's just ethnically cleansed territory, then there would be no kosovo, and when kosovo became, there was no place to play, because that's all, they decided, here is the genocide in kosovo, we cannot once again accept the genocide as in bosnian, for the second time, well, then we will give the opportunity to declare independence, to

show what the future can be. genocide, well, then russia says, well, fine, and i will tell you the same thing in abkhazia and recognize their independence, and that’s it, and after that there was no turning back, it was one mistake after another, and unfortunately, we are now we're in the center of these mistakes, in the epicenter, so there's really nothing to, uh, talk about right now, and if we say, oh, you know, we understand how to fix this... mistake, we know how to fix the mistake, now there is a war it will end in ukraine, it’s called correcting the error, no , no one even thinks about it, everyone just thinks how to end it with the least losses, but no one says, we have to do it somehow globally to find this new world order so that we don’t there were disabled countries, such as ukraine, georgia and moldova, and everyone else

was completely indifferent, but remember that when we were not... a country for disabled people, we were absolutely fine with the situation with transnistria, in general, both the people and the authorities , there were many who supported the actions of russia in the 90s, of course, and not in the 90s and later, our so-called patriots fought on the side of transnistria, just as the future fighters for independence in chechnya fought against georgia in abkhazia, well, that's how it was. it happened that ihor smirnovy, the head of the taraspul regime, was not given a pocketbook after they were arrested in kyiv. and not in moscow. and i can cite such examples, we supported the russian position on the transnistrian crisis for years. so the question arises, why did we think that this boomerang would not return? let's discuss more with you several important topics. we don't have much time left. the verkhovna rada adopted

draft law 10280.81 as a basis and as a whole, which provides for changes to some laws on the rights of national minorities, taking into account the expert assessment of the council of europe. this is a step towards negotiations on joining the european union. briefly, what is written in the law. privately owned institutions of higher education have the right to freely choose the language of instruction, which is an official language of the european union, while ensuring that persons studying in such institutions also learn the state language, as a separate academic discipline. in classes with... teaching in the languages ​​of national minorities of communities that are official languages ​​of the european union, the right to use the language of the relevant national minority in the educational process alongside the state language is guaranteed, and persons belonging to national minorities of ukraine whose languages ​​are official languages ​​of the european union and started obtaining general secondary education before september 1, 2018, actually have the right to continue obtaining it.