destroyed the borders of another, annexed it, and this is the most important thing, there were conflicts before, annexed a part of a foreign territory to itself, you not only did not exclude it from the osce, but you even discuss with it how the osce will function in the future. well, here you can always use the argument that the hungarian leadership is actively using now, they say that we are a window for dialogue, do you understand what the point is? i think it's not about dialogue, it's about what we're all clinging to. the past and ukraine is no exception here, we always say what we want to return to our internationally recognized borders, and other countries want to say that they want to return to international law, it is practically the same, they talk about international law, we talk about international law of the osce, one of the foundations of international law, unfortunately, no the possibility of going back does not exist in history, so let's clarify here, you are also talking about the borders of ukraine, of course, exactly the borders of ukraine, what do you mean, the internationally recognized borders of ukraine,

in 1991 were recognized by all parties, in that including the russian federation. we had a big agreement with russia where it was written. russia has already destroyed it. we do not have any political tools to force it to recognize our borders. as it turned out. only a power tool. we can only win back our borders. at the same time, by the way, there is no understanding of whether the russian federation recognizes our border. well. ukraine should strive for the return of the borders from 91. it has, but not because it concerns international law, because international law has already been destroyed, it will not have that right, therefore that it is ukraine that should strive to return its borders for completely different reasons, because this is part of our constitution, it is our constitutional right, our constitutional right, and we are not interested in who recognizes it and who does not, but we must realize that the other side... the barricade is a country with the same

attitude to constitutional law, we can reassure ourselves that our constitutional law is recognized by so many countries in the united nations, and russian constitutional law is recognized by russia itself, well, maybe from some there will still be belarus admit once, but what does it matter when we cannot change the situation, then our idea must be very simple: we must seek a return to our constitutional... borders and a change in the world order, that is what the president of the united states is talking about, joseph biden, changes in the world order so as to come to a common denominator in understanding the borders of countries, because now we have no possibility to change the constitutional law of russia, we can reassure ourselves that it does not matter, that the constitution of russia is a rag that if they want they will change it. in one day, it is true, with a new

leadership, for example, with a new leadership, but they can think the same thing, they say the same thing, that the constitution of ukraine does not matter, what about the new leadership that they wanted to bring to us tanks, this constitution can be changed in one day, see that our arguments and russia's arguments are mirror images, the simple question is that russia is the aggressor, and we are the victim, but from the point of view of international law. russians simply imitate our absolutely legitimate, correct arguments , but they don't just imitate them, they defend their argument with tanks, missiles, planes and soldiers, and are ready to do this for an absolutely endless time, that's why i say, stop talking about the past, stop saying that we we will return to what, we will not return, we will restore our constitutional right, we will... restore the international, internationally recognized borders of ukraine,

because some of the countries, even one country, which was our guarantor under the budapest memorandum, which is a permanent member of the council the un security council, which is a member of the osce, does not recognize our borders, and not only, by the way, ours, it does not yet recognize the borders of georgia, it recognized the independence of part of the georgian territory, but at the same time it recognizes the internationally recognized borders of the republic at a certain point. serbia does not recognize the fact that kosovo is part of serbia, and the majority of about a hundred countries do not recognize it, so, i say again, this is also a topic for discussion, however, for the future, so we need to really realize that the most modern man in this world that is watching go ahead, there is a president of the united states, a veteran of world politics, not young people who think that it is possible to return somewhere on february 24, on the 22nd year, we said, we should

agree with russia to return to february 24, and which what the hell, what kind of line is this on february 24, it is just a part of the occupied ukrainian territory, and russia said, no, we will... we will enter the administrative borders of donetsk and luhansk regions, this is what worries us, we recognized their independence, you understand, it's all fakes, fakes, but that's the truth that's what our constitution is all about, right? in order to summarize this part of our conversation, you moved on to this thesis that it will not be like before, when we talked partly about domestic politics, but just recently we had a statement from the leadership of the verkhovna rada. that now an agreement has been reached between various factions that there will be no elections until the end of martial law, but this thesis that everything will not be as it was before, how should it affect the social and political life of ukraine? well, at least we should realize the enormity of the task, since

secondly, we must realize that we are in a long conflict, two, thirdly, we must realize that in order to restore the order that seems to us to be the most correct and civilized, or at least to build a new one an order that does not seem correct and civilized , decades may pass, from the time of the occupation of the baltic countries in 1940 to the time of the restoration of their independence, restoration of independence, 51 years have passed since the occupation of the ukrainian people's republic by the bolsheviks in 1920, to the time 71 years have passed since the declaration of ukrainian independence. "we are dealing with conflicts of exactly the same severity, there are such conflicts in europe even without us, the self-proclaimed turkish republic of northern cyprus appeared in 1974, if i am not mistaken, how many years have passed, the middle east conflict, 1948, well let's understand that

in 2014 a new countdown began, if we manage to solve this problem in..." 2054 or 2072, it will be a success, another question then arises, do we have to fight all this time, which is also possible, how we know, in the middle east, can we find some kind of model, stop aggression, move from military mechanisms to political ones, become part of the european... community and nato, all this requires non-standard solutions. is this possible? so let's talk about it. i mentioned here the same czech president, retired nato general, petr pavel. in one of his interviews, he said that

maybe next year it will be time for negotiations to settle the russian-ukrainian war. in principle, about these negotiations, well, one way or another they say. there, i don't know, such leaders of european countries as orban, yes, now it's also slovak prime minister fico, it's a slightly different topic. is this story with negotiations, according to your data, or in your opinion, really part of the agenda of those parties who may be involved in this process? so far, i do not see any reason from the point of view of the russian federation to hold any negotiations with ukraine. when we talk about negotiations, it always surprised me incredibly. all the time we speak only in one sequence: the event can force ukraine to start negotiations with russia. these wars always end at the negotiating table. the west can certainly force ukraine if

ukraine fights with western weapons and lives on western money. and russia, how can you force it? russia does not fight with western weapons, does not live with western money. well, russian president putin says that ... he always leaves a window for peace talks of course, only from the point of view of the political glory of vladimir putin, talks are surrender because he lives in the oorel state, where war is peace, negotiations are surrender, and good is evil, and everything is harmonious with him, here by the way, we can mention that shortly after this statement by putin, we heard a statement by lavrov, who said about that of revising the objectives of a military operation. putin made this statement because he needed it, he spoke at the g20 summit, he needed to be a defender of the interests of the global south, he cried over the children of the gas, and he did not mention anything about the children of ukraine or syria, who were being destroyed

the russian military, no , he doesn’t care about it at all, but it is now very well in the minds of people who live in the countries of the so-called global south, so why immediately you... don’t look like a peacemaker, at the same time you can mention the negotiations with ukraine, and then really lavrov appears, who speaks not to the countries of the global empire, you noticed, but to the enemies, and he tells them clearly, we know what putin said to the former prime minister of israel, navtali beneto, when he came with a mediation mission to moscow, the first weeks of the war, i them i will destroy everyone, he already said it, and this is how it looks, when you ask about negotiations, i tell you clearly, i do not see the prerequisites for negotiations from the russian position, from the point of view of russia, everything is now going in the right direction, or in your opinion, among ukraine's partners, who... provide military and financial assistance, there is already an understanding of what you say, that

putin is not going to stop, he does not want any peace talks in the sense of the western world, and that his goal after all , conquer all of ukraine. rules of a warm country. healthy slightly under-pressing clothes are in trend this winter. thank you for helping promote winning fashion. let's beat the winter together. glory to ukraine, this is a public telethon, we interrupt the interview with vitaly portnikov, which we will continue after that. we interrupt in order to... tell you about the consequences of the night attack on the capital. so,

let me remind you that around 3:00 a.m. a series of explosions were heard in kyiv, after that an air alert was announced in the city and region, just a few minutes after the explosions, the mayor of the capital vitaliy klitschko reported in telegram that after the work of the air defense forces over kyiv, numerous incidents of debris were recorded on the left bank of the city, in particular in the dnipro district. there is a fire in an apartment building, we will ask our guest for details, this is mykhailo shamanov, the spokesman of the kyiv city military administration, if he is already on the phone, colleagues, let 's show him, mr. mykhailo, so we expect mr. mykhailo to be on the phone , and in the meantime i will give you the information that is known as of this hour, that is, in the dnipro district of kyiv the damage to the facade of the building and the fire on the seventh floor were unfixed , residents were evacuated,

serhii popko, the head of the kyiv city military administration, reported this in a telegram. according to him, 15 people were saved, including four children. yes, and they have already informed me that we are in contact with mr. mykhailo shamanov. mr. mykhailo, i would like to say good morning, but i tell you, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero, mr. mykhailo, everything that is known at this hour, at this minute, yes, tell us, please, it is possible even in the chronology , please, you have the word, yes, thank you, this is already the second strike by high-speed missiles on kyiv in the last two days, previously like the day before yesterday , that is, on december 11, the enemy used ballistic weapons, approximately tonight, the night was fierce from... the eastern direction, i.e. this is most likely the bryansk region, by the forces and

means of air defense, all enemy targets were destroyed, but the number of those missiles will be finally determined by the air force, but as a result of the work of the force of the anti-aircraft means of defense after shooting down rockets , shells fell in three left-bank districts of the city, according to the information of the head of the kinska... administration, colonel-general serhii popka , a private house caught fire in the darenskyi district on an area of ​​approximately 400 km, fires were also recorded in the dnipro district, there is a balcony on the seventh floor of a nine-story residential building, damage to the facades was also recorded there, and four cars caught fire in the courtyard of the building, and the residents of the building were evacuated, the victims are mainly... people from with cut wounds and received first medical aid, also in this area

a private house caught fire, a small area, approximately 2 m2, in the desnyan district , falling links were recorded in an open area and on the roadway, if we say in general, 23 people were injured at the moment, 13 of them were hospitalized for injuries of varying degrees of severity. and all the victims have already been provided with emergency medical care, and accordingly we are now collecting information, that is, an operational summary of the victims. changes, they are constant is clarified, updated in our telegram channel. let me remind you that the enemy , as you can see, is intensifying the missile terror of kyiv, in particular the use of ballistic strikes on the city, therefore the integrity of the city's critical infrastructure and the main life of its residents depends on the reliability of the work of the soldiers of the air defense forces, all the defense forces, and

in turn i want to thank you and i think that everyone is ukrainian. mr. mykhailo, what can you say to the people who will now be evacuated, whether any options for their resettlement are being considered, they're always considered, i mean that... if people don't have a place to move to yet, that means, well , there's some close relatives or acquaintances there, the local government has to provide housing, so it could be like some kind of hostels temporary, or for example there may be certain premises that can be used as

housing, that is, we are currently working on this issue, uh, well, regarding the damage. in addition to houses, cars, damage to infrastructure, maybe some urban, maybe there are consequences with electricity, with water and so on, information about the damage to the infrastructure facilities, where it is available, at the moment the whole city has light, heat and water, and gas, ugh, and mr. mykhailo, and please tell me, maybe even your own thoughts on this topic, what are the russians trying to achieve in this way, well, given that this is the second time, and so, well, i can’t say insidious, yes, because, well, in my opinion , this is what insidiousness should be expected from russia, but here’s what for the second time, for how much, i don't remember, in the last few days , they use, yes, such and such a tactic,

is there any understanding, is there an understanding of why they are doing this, what they are trying to achieve, given the character. shelling, maybe you and the city administration analyzed it? well, we are at the analytical service, but one way or another , almost all military experts said that due to the cold weather and the actual heating season, the russians will try to impress, well, that is, as they promised , they will try to leave us without heat for the second winter, without light without gas and water, so, well, it was actually expected missile strikes on kyiv, and as always , kyiv remains one of the priority targets of the enemy, that is, they have repeatedly stated this in their propaganda broadcasts, and it is natural that these are infrastructure objects, these are decision-making centers, and therefore once again i want

to remind that it is necessary to protect the anti-aircraft defense equipment in no case. not to film or photograph the work of air defense forces is a criminal liability, but above all it is the life and health of ukrainian soldiers. ugh and mr. mykhailo, regarding the type of rockets, what type was it last time, if you know, and maybe there is information about the type of rockets that were used today at three o'clock in the morning? well, as i already said about the type and... number of rockets that the rashists used today during the attack on kyiv, the air force will inform, it was understood that after the fall of the ulankas, experts should leave, collect these ulankas and finally establish what type of missiles were these, but as far as i remember now, well, for example, kyiv was attacked before that

iskanderami, iskander m. let me remind you that the speed of this rocket is almost nine. that is, you understand that they cover several hundred kilometers in a few minutes, and if you remember, on january 14 of this year, on the 23rd , s-300 and s-400 missiles were used, which also have a high speed, that is, the s400 missiles have a speed of more than 400 km/h, well, in such a case, when people say that she worked late with the help. attacks, i.e. attacks with ballistic weapons, the count goes on in a matter of minutes, unfortunately, but , by the way, come on, you

have raised such a valid topic, in my opinion, let's remind our viewers and listeners about why this happens when first there are explosions and then there is an air raid, so i just explained that when ballistic weapons are used, it means ... that the score goes in increments, that is, conventionally , a missile that was released, for example, from the same bren or belgorod region, that is, they fly for several minutes, and in fact the human factor can also work, which simply does not have time to apply the air alarm, of course, that experts will now work on this issue, and here we are or otherwise too we are working on this issue, and i think that it will be resolved, uh... mr. mykhailo, and finally, the question of whether there were any special instructions, or whether the work algorithm was changed, or approaches to work in connection with

after it was used two days ago, the first, the first attempt was a ballistic attack on kyiv and now, whether there were any changes in the kyiv city military administration in connection with this, in the reorganizations or there in the shifts or in any other. services, we always have all services working in operational mode, that is, if we talk , for example, about today's night attack, then as soon as either the dsms, or the police, or the medical services receive calls, then all the services immediately go to the place, provide medical assistance, psychological assistance, for example, if it refers to december 11, as it was, that is, there very quickly all expert services reacted. let me remind you that at that time there were four victims, and three of them, they had an acute reaction to stress, and psychological help was provided to them, and

accordingly, one person was there with cuts wounds, as a result of a broken window, an explosive wave, so if the algorithm remained the same, the first thing is to help people, that is, to save human life. mr. mykhailo, i thank you very much for... for joining us for promptly reporting all the information about the consequences of the night attack of the russians on the capital of ukraine. mykhailo shimanov, spokesman of the kyiv city military administration, was with us. yes, and while we were talking with mr. mykhailo, an update arrived on the topics we discussed with him. so, according to the words of mayor vitaliy klitschko in the dnipro district as a result of rocket debris falling onto the roadway. there was damage to the water supply network, emergency crews are working on site to promptly eliminate the damage. well, in general, for

those who have just joined us, i will remind you that we interrupted the broadcast in order to inform you about the consequences of the night attack of the russians on the capital. i will remind you that the first explosions rang out around three o'clock in the morning, and a few minutes later the air raid alarm sounded, well, that is, according to the words of mykhailo shomanov, who came to us yesterday... i just contacted the spokesman of the kyiv city military administration, russia attacked the capital with ballistic missiles, the number and type of missiles is final, there will be a message later, and according to serhiy popka, the spokesman of the kyiv city administration, that is how the number and type of missiles are finally determined air force, but as a result of the anti-aircraft missile shooting down , debris fell in three left-bank areas of the city. and this is actually a quote: the data of the operational report on victims and destruction is updated and are clarified: the enemy is intensifying the missile terror of kyiv, in particular by using ballistic

strikes on the city. the integrity of the city's critical infrastructure and the lives of its residents depend on the reliability of the work of air defense and defense forces. that is why we steadfastly thank our anti-aircraft defense forces, our defenders. well, then we continue the interview of elena rymovska and vitaly. stay with the telethon, we will bring you operational information as soon as we have updates. rules of a warm country. household appliances. thank you on behalf of vacuum cleaner, allowing it to fall into hibernation . wet cleaning is good for health and your care warms. let's beat the winter together. "if i had plans before, now i don't even know, because i can't even build any of my dreams, help me see the future again, do you hear?"

" what is it about? free psychological help for children during the war at the children's voices charitable fund. call 0800 210 106. don't just stop at the thought that this understanding is starting to come, because already many people are talking about it, already when someone talks about the negotiations, talks about ukraine's position in the negotiations. that they will ever be, and this, by the way, is the same thing, you understand, the mistake i saw, the recognition of this mistake in general zaluzhnyi's article in the economist publication. general zaluzhno says he thought russia would end the war if it faced heavy casualties. and so we 've always said that general zaluzhnyi's huge advantage is that he didn't go to the soviet or russian military

academies, and that's... the fact that that's a huge advantage when you're planning operations, but if general zaluzhnyi had studied at a russian or soviet military academy, he would never have made such a mistake in his life, no graduate of a soviet or russian military academy would even for one minute think that it is possible to stop the war if there are many victims, if numerous victims, this means that it is necessary to increase the number of mobilized and increase the number of victims, anyone who has at all studied any wars of the russian federation, the russian federation, the soviet union, the russian empire, always knows this starts with a rush, with a blitzkrieg, with an instant strike, always prepares for it, and when it fails, begins to pelt the enemy with the corpses of his own countrymen absolutely cold-bloodedly, not out of a mistake, but because he believes that this is the best tactic, therefore always the greatest success in the confrontation with the moscow kingdom, with the russian empire,

with the soviet union. reached those who were quick, forced them to stop, stop the war, and if the war with the russian federation drags on, then the number of victims does not become a factor for its end, but what the exhaustion of russia's resources, internal strife , or the victory of russia itself over the enemy, there are various options, so... we don't need it, of course, that's obvious, it's obvious that the western politicians made a mistake, i mean, the western politicians also had exactly the same mistake, because they, you know, they analyze putin as themselves. the biggest mistake politicians of the civilized world make is to believe that the opposite side thinks exactly like that. by the way, the israeli

leadership also fell into this trap. who believed that management hamas is interested in economic growth in the gas sector, because economic growth increases their power platform, and so if more gas workers are allowed to work in israel, so that they get more money, so that the economy grows, it makes it impossible for a serious strike from hamas is on the gas, a complete misunderstanding of the psychology of the people who live here, and it's the same with us. western politicians think that if putin is under sanctions, that he is isolated from the civilized world, that he does not go to g8 meetings, what else is there what is happening is that if he feels that russia is becoming more dependent on china, as president biden told putin, you will be more dependent on china, deal with us, that will definitely force putin to stop the war, and putin does not think so , he

wakes up. and they think where you have a weak point to hit him, it doesn't even occur to him that this is all some kind of argument, and that's why, that's why it turns out that putin doesn't need any negotiations, and they're already starting to analyze putin not as themselves, putin does not thinks like biden, rishe sunok, olaf scholz or emmanuel macron, not thinking because he does not need to be re-elected, even volodymyr zelensky somewhere in some part of consciousness, subconsciousness, thinks that... he may still have elections later , or that the war should end in such a way that he , even if he does not get bogged down, looks like a person to whom there should be no complaints, because this is an electoral state, and the heir of volodymyr zelensky can raise the question of how adequate he was during the war, if, of course, the war ends with a negative result for the ukrainian state, putin has no such problems, in general, the war will end in any case.