stanislavsky, who said that she should be dismissed from the committee, himself got rid of the position of the president's representative, why, why are they pulling, and so quickly, well, if the stars light up, then it is beneficial to someone, well, i have experience, unlike zelenskyi there, i i have the experience of personal communication with maryana , together with volodymyr ogrysk, ex-minister of foreign affairs, we had a meeting with her as the head of the defense committee, when we... were part of the independent anti-corruption committee on defense and anti- corruption issues, and you know , this is a person, well, mildly saying, very strange, i went out, we remember, we went out with volodymyr there and shook our heads for a long time, like how like those horses that crashed into the cement wall with their foreheads there, a very inadequate person, you just talk to a person, look at them and you understand that she is completely out of place, she is still young maria. was

, and she is still there, it was the rise, you know, of early, early, early, political coming to power, servants of the people, but this is definitely a very strange person, to put it mildly, very strange, what happened to her next, but i also understand that what many informed sources of your colleagues say, that maryana is there, it is a fair, she, she is being given to... i ask you, we had a conversation with yevhen hlibovitsky not so long ago, and he also said that, in principle, we such a political system that sooner or later any head of the president's office turns into a cardinal, but recently politicians called yermak one of the most influential doers and figures in europe, unlike zelensky, who, by the way, was called a dreamer in this rating. it's the year, and here you are, what color are you?

were, were this cardinal, what was your name, what cardinal were you, when you were the head of yushchenko's office? there are two types of office managers, one is not the first, but not the second, and others who understand that you are not public, you were not elected, that you just have to ensure the high-quality activity of the president and remove the maximum maximum. there are possible threats from some political traps, problems, that is, you are the chief of the office, this is a position, you cannot enter into political correspondence with the prime minister, you cannot form some things, it's not yours, it's an internal job to provide quality material for the president to understand for... so that the president

can plan some of his actions based on quality analytics, so i'm definitely addicted to this second type, i even changed the name from administration to the secretariat and wanted an office like the poles, and i think that the problem is not that the person who comes to the bank and heads the service there, the office, the president's secretariat there, the administration, this problem is toxic. the institution of the president itself, which we do not have regulated, we do not have a law that regulates, there is no provision of any kind that would regulate the status of the secretariat itself, because every time you write this provision for yourself, and therefore the biggest problem for ukraine is that in such a power formula we are nowhere further let's not go, six different presidents, under each president there are their dear friends, all the presidents fight and drag on themselves the powers of ... they violate the constitution and

do it deliberately, and as long as we keep this formula of government, we will never there will not be an ideal head of office there, the club of friends of the president will not disappear anywhere, and therefore, if we go to europe, we need to look for european models of governance, and this is definitely not the case, it should be a parliamentary republic in ukraine, there should be real parties, there should be the responsibility of politicians for what they do, voters can... there should be an opportunity to remove politicians without voting for them next year, and we simply have no other way. thank you, mr. oleg, oleg rybachuk was with us, chairman of the analytical and advocacy organization center for joint actions and the vice prime minister of ukraine for european integration in the fifth year, as well as the head of the secretariat of president viktor yushchenko, and in fact, i just told yevhen hlibovytskyy at the time that it was an exception.

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the series, no, i haven't, and this actually, i think, speaks to a large extent about these our discussions, that suddenly something appears on the surface, that absolutely does not cover the whole society, that is , we can say on the one hand that there are people... who live in bulbashka and do not know what teenagers are interested in, what, what they live, and on the other hand, well you could say it's just another bubble, i think we're, well i, i know it's weird to say that on tv, but we've really just kind of gone through the tv era, so to speak, when there was there was such a common discourse, something that everyone could refer to, and, that is, for example, everyone knew who is more or less a sweetheart. well, by the way, this era of television

, what she left us, she, for example, left us a whole bunch of all these ukrainian celebrities, who were all tainted with all possible, so -called collabs, all kinds of russian celebrities, and we still, i don't know , what to do with them until the end, one of them will inform the armed forces, one of them went to entertain the russians at some elite resorts of vhuk. someone came to russia, well, the word is some such thing, but there is something, for example, a person like me, who i tried not to follow all this, and i generally feel as if i live in some foreign country, there are some heroes of this country, everyone, this is some kind of identity built around this, everyone understands what it is about, and you think so, who are these people, why are they important , and what to do with that too, uh, well, me, me... in this discussion, because i just saw the discussion in contrast to the series, i am

saddened by the fact that it seems to me that we we ask the wrong questions, that is, instead of discussing what is specifically shown there, what is not shown, and why this happened, this horror-horror, and why are teenagers watching this, i think that first of all, you should ask the teenagers themselves, that is, if i, for example, were engaged in this research, i would conduct a focus group there. then i wouldn't even ask what you like, what you don't like, because it's more or less predictable, i would ask, where did you find out about it, and who among those you respect, whose opinion is important to you, watches it , because before the broadcast yesterday, today i tried to understand it, i did not find an answer to this question, but how is it in general, it appeared, uh, but why exactly... this and this content is important, and this one is unimportant, and the discussion immediately went to the side: we need to

do something like this too, it's so cool, and why can't we do that, and ah it is so cool and professionally made, but i have a counter question, how, for example, teenagers in poland or the czech republic or even lithuania live without this high-class professional, here is a person, by the way, who watched it. this series is lyudmila gordyladze, well, at least i got acquainted, i understand, she is a member of the board of the union of cinemas of ukraine, ex-director of the october cinema, she wrote that the boy's word is a high-quality political product aimed at managing mass consciousness, in russia to get used to violence, to confirm the right of the strong, which excludes democracy, to show the phenomenon of a real russian, to intimidate outside russia with the russian peace , to show who is fighting in ukraine and how, and here is ustab kryvdyk, our, i think, mutual acquaintance. and wrote what the zsu is now, wrote that in fact, it is necessary to see what this next cultural code is after

shtirlitsa brother, brother-2 and the brigade , that is, it is about a certain russian cultural code to a certain extent, you can also say that, er, well, all the more so that, as far as i know, it was created based on a documentary book, that is it was then turned into a script, made from this story, but the primary material itself is... it is actually a documentary historical historical book and what is important, it is not even only the 90s, but in my opinion it is about the 80s, to a greater extent, yes, the 80s, and, er, to me, er, it seems that in itself russia is already not very happy with this popularity, but again, what i read was that they financed it at first, and now they were allegedly scared, eh, and maybe they have certain reasons for this, there is a famous,

famous story with the kommersant newspaper , when in 1999, i.e. already when yeltsin was the president, they did research on which movie hero, fictional hero is the most popular in russia, and even then, in my opinion, stirlitz won, huh. and only after that , putin was chosen as yeltsin's successor. ugh. therefore, perhaps, they start to suspect something. it's just you you talk about what is important so far. to investigate actually how this series, why it becomes popular among our teenagers, does not become , for example, popular among teenagers, there, for example, polish ones, but maybe one of the answers is related to the fact that the parents of these teenagers were fond of the brigade series, or everyone watched this boomer, and that 's the name of this iconic russian film in my opinion, about

some bandits who ride on their road movie, on a bmw, this is one of the very few russian films, i... i didn't go to see it because i went in the bus to uzhhorod, and i just had to, because it was filmed three times in a row, i just have this film in front of me, i watched it, i can say that it is quite exciting, well , actually there, i am not a bad director, rod movie, some social problems are rising in russia, the hinterlands, there is some horror there, there is corruption and so on, less about that, but it is important that if the parents liked it, if the parents are the same people who say, well, okay, let's cancel even pushkin, we it's not so much his pity, but it's holy, why these people then wonder what their children are doing next are fascinated by some russian teenage series about violence, street fights and all this, i don't know, this whole gangster world is russian, er, well, i'm not sure about it, because we don't know,

probably, we don't know what those are the people themselves, that is, that these are the same parents who were watching. at one time, this brother-2, i will remind you that once upon a time on ukrainian television, a series of russian cadets was shown, and then no one problematized it, it was normal, we are already problematizing it, you can already see the progress, eh that is, we don't know, probably, if we assume that parents are authoritative for teenagers, then yes, but... maybe, maybe not, that's why i say that the right question in this case would be who is the authority for these teenagers, why did they actually go there to watch it to begin with, why do they in principle know about the existence of this series, which is a russian product, by the way, it is not so easy to watch it in

ukraine, that is, only on pirate sites , as far as i understand, that is, it requires certain efforts. your teenage years were in the early 90s, was there a fascination with russian culture in your teenage years, i don't know what was fashionable then, my teenage years were a little bit in the late 90s, that's when territory a appeared, fortunately, but the territory of a, it did not take over the entire territory of ukraine, unfortunately, as i later learned from... i drew when i was working, somehow worked on the voice of the country and selected some songs for children, it was the voice of the children, and mine colleague, my same age from odesa, i'm saying something, ah there was territory a, let’s give her a song , she says, territory a, but what is it, i don’t know, we had alegrava, we had another , someone there names some russian

artists who came to see them in odessa with concerts, your adolescence, what was it like for you, i don’t know... who was there, who was an idol, what films, tv series they watched, who they looked up to, was there russian there, and absolutely, but for a while there was only russian, i'm many years old, i've seen dinosaurs before, that is, for a while, nothing else there was no russian, that is , there was not much to choose from, obviously, there was russian music, besides, it was still the end of the 80s, and it seems to me that it is important to remember in the context of this chronicling of those times , it was perestroika cinema, which at that time mostly corresponded to that zhanna, then it was called chornukha, and, but, but this, it was mostly in cinemas, it was less on television, and for

some time, and it seems to me that this is a very important moment, it is very important to say that somewhere in the beginning... the middle of the 90s - that's it such a massive assemblage of a western product, and at the official level then, in my opinion, even on the first soviet channel, they still showed some beverly hills, and some american teenagers, and ending with such a simple pirate, which at that time was shown not just in some video salons, but also simply demonstrated on television especially on those local new commercials. tv channels, and it seems to me that the influence of this western production, which at that time had no alternative, even russian, well, these are just such times. economically e-e in very difficult, i.e. russian there were no high-quality products at that time, but there was a western

axis, and it seems to me that it largely shaped this generation, which later liberalized ukraine to a large extent, and maybe even in russia, the 90s were, well, more or less there were some, there was democracy, not least due to the fact that it was all western, it had some authority, this return to karnyam, it is already the beginning of the 2000s is better, that is, it is actually already before putin and with putin, and when they understood that for them, we are the state and for us it is big we need our own, i think they just understood. how powerful this western influence is and how important it is for the democratization of the country. we have a few minutes left, a lot of children

are now abroad with their mothers because of the invasion, a lot of children from regions that are united, these children speak russian, they are not in the context that we are in, where we are discussing, yes, about the importance of ukrainian, about the fact that russian must be pushed aside, we must... also forget russian culture, yes itself, and here they, being abroad in european countries, continue to watch, i don’t know, some, subscribed to some russian rappers, listen to russian music, and still remain in that culture, being in european countries, why is this happening and what about do this? well, this first of all suggests that they do not integrate. in these societies, well, that is , this is the first thing that comes to my mind, because precisely at this age, all changes, preferences, changes in tastes, this happens insanely

fast, and what one would expect, that they integrate into these teenage society, which is terribly important for teenagers, and to be part of some group from which you also live, that is, it only makes me think that they are. in these bubbles and again the question of the channels of the channels they use, because if we can make any assumptions about ukraine, there is a study in ukraine that the absolute majority of our compatriots get their information from social networks, and this is primarily the russian telegram and viber, again anyway, it seems to me that even... this detail very alarmingly points to the watershed that still exists between ukraine and other european countries, where there is already a little

to the west, there will already be, there will no longer be a telegram, it will be there already. well, oksana farastyna was with us today, a ukrainian journalist, writer, translator and publisher, we tried to talk a little about the phenomenon of the popularity of russian crime series among teenagers with fantastic benefits again. which is fantastically popular the word boy is used about the 80s in the soviet union in kazan, it seems like something like that, that is, why does it happen that all those narratives of the russian world, violence and so on, appear, look attractive, even in russian for ukrainian teenagers, that is big question, we tried to touch it a little today, thank you for watching us, lesya vakulyuk, andriy saichuk, worked in this studio for you, thank you for being with us. we thank you for donating today, plus 14 00, almost +15 00 added to our account, we already have 694,926 uah 64 kopecks, and we need 1,220 00.

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