i don't even want to talk about the devastating consequences that will occur if the council is unable to take this decision, not only with regard to ukraine, but also in the broader sense that the issue of enlargement in general. as i said, we have done our homework, we expect the european union to do its homework, and we will speak to the eu member states before the council. the most important thing, in this situation, what will be the position. one of the leaders of hungary, prime minister viktor orbán, because today there was information that he receives from the european union an additional or frozen 10 billion dollars, and it seems that orban simply bargained for some conditions that are greater than better conditions for his state, is it so, or is viktor orban acting as a guide or partner of russian politicians there, including kremlin...

politicians in europe? well, i would say, mr. serhiy, that and and, that is, the fact that orban today acts as a kind of, you know, a bazaar bargainer, it is already clear to everyone, and he really bargains for himself what is extremely important to him for his domestic political stability. well, the only thing here is to understand again that this will not be a one-time tranche of 10. this is an amount that is spread over several years, it will be issued in installments, and even then, if this infamous judicial reform of hungary is finally implemented, and it will still be watched and will be studied how it will be implemented, so this is actually an announcement about some potential 10 billion, when and how they will be, this is still a question... open, but orbán definitely, it

will present it as his colossal victory, say that i defeated the european bureaucracy, i defeated ursula fonden, whom he hates tenderly, that is, he will work all this out in full, as a concession, maybe he will agree to unblock the aid to ukraine, which he so itself blocks 50 billion euros for four years and 500 million as direct military aid from the european union, and probably it will be a kind of exchange, you to me, i to you, let's put an end to this, regarding the agreement to open negotiations, i think , that we need to clearly understand what is controlling him here moscow, he works absolutely openly to block. of our accession to the european

union, he works quite obviously to block sweden's accession to nato, and who benefits from this, and it benefits moscow, so there is no need to go to vorozhka here to understand who is directing orman's political course. for me , the only question remains open, and it sounds like this: how long the european union, represented by the rest of the countries, will endure. this trojan horse in its stable, shouldn't it already be taken to a separate corner, there to put it figuratively , to close it, to shut it down, and to let it stand there quietly for a certain period of time, and this can be done very simply by depriving orbán of his voice in the european council, there is every reason for this, and by changing the rules of the decision-making procedure, why is it taking so long... the union

is playing with this pro-moscow politician, but for me this remains the biggest mystery and the biggest question, well , it is possible that someday something will finally happen, well, you want to say that the problem is orban or orban as a problem, it is not only a problem of ukraine, but also of the european union, and nato, and nato, of course, this is a problem. uh, well, i think , pseudo-ism, which today has covered all of europe and the cities of all european leaders, who are ready to pay a blackmailer 10 billion, well, theoretically 10 billion euros just to say that we in the european union continue to be united, well, this you can say, and you can make a slogan out of it, but the truth is obvious and it is clear to everyone.

there is no unity there from these key points, and those who break this unity, it is necessary to punish, but to punish is no longer liberal from the point of view of our dear europeans. liberals, and they will look for everything in order to stick this stick out at the very last moment, even though there is no point in wasting time. mr. volodymyr, a few weeks ago the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia juraj blanar said that it is not yet time for ukraine to join the european union, but just before the december summit, there was information that bratislava was coming. ready to support the decision to open negotiations with ukraine, and what the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia said, after evaluating the reform efforts in kyiv, we are ready to support the opening of negotiations on accession, which will be discussed at the next meeting of the european council, however , our eastern neighbor still has a long thorny

road ahead, all the necessary measures must not only be approved, but and implement and monitor their compliance. according to you, what changed the position of the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia, because i read his categorical statements, which sounded something like this: while the war continues on the territory of the ukrainian state, there can be no european union for ukraine at all, it seems to me that he was delicately asked not to remain in a pair with the odious orban, because it will harm his personal image and image. of slovakia , and it seems to me that such arguments are quite acceptable, especially since what we are talking about is the beginning of negotiations, not the conclusion, not the ratification by the governments and parliaments of the member countries that ukraine should become

a member of the union and so next, we talk about the beginning of the process, so it is obvious that all countries, except for hungary, well,... understand that this is far from the final, final decision, it is only the first step, but that is the essence of orbán and his dependence on moscow, that he was told there that it is not necessary to take even the first step for ukraine, because after the first there will be a second, after the second there will be a fifth, a 10th, and in the end ukraine will really come to what will be necessary.. .to vote in essence, so orbán is blocking even the beginning of this process, once again, once again emphasizing that he is a moscow litter. another person who came to power in poland, already the new prime minister

of poland, donald tusk, the leader of the civic platform, said speaking in the sejm that his government would demand a full mobilization of the west to help ukraine. he said that an attack on... it's an attack on everyone. let's hear what tusk said. we must speak loudly and decisively about ukraine. this is a question that should unite us. because today we see how president zelensky is again trying to convince the world of what in fact, there is the essence of russian aggression. that the russian war in ukraine is an attack on all of us. i count... to help ukraine in this war. there is no alternative to this way of thinking. mr. volodymyr, if you can, in

a minute, tell us what ukraine gains with the arrival of tusk in the government quarters in poland. very briefly. we are getting our great friend and partner again, i remember tusk in the first term, he was truly a friend and partner of ukraine. the second point, we will get a person who will seriously oppose orbán, which we just discussed with you, namely tusk, at one time very clearly and clearly showed orbán his place among european political parties, and thirdly, i think that tusk will really breathe a new fresh wind into the anti-russian coalition among his european partners, so i think we should be satisfied with what

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greetings, friends, the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues with the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, today i am in the program. will zelensky's last window of opportunity in the us congress affect him this year? to increase financial aid to ukraine. summit hope or disappointment, will negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu be postponed? they want to draw up mandates, but they don't let go. why many people's deputies in the council want to leave the parliament early. friends, during our broadcast we will ask you about whether you trust the local government, yes, no, if you vote on youtube, everything is quite simple there. if you are sitting in front of the tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if

you trust, then 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will summarize of this vote, i want to introduce the guests of today's studio, they are people's deputies of ukraine, oksana savchuk, non-partisan. ms. oksana, i welcome you and i am glad that you are with us today. good evening. ya. gerashchenko, european solidarity faction, mrs. iryna, good evening, thank you for being with us, good evening to the audience. oleksii kucherenko, faction of the fatherland, mr. oleksii. congratulations and thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings, good evening to you, thank you for the invitation. enough, ladies and gentlemen, such a big political and diplomatic one today evening, because zelenskyi already met with congressmen in the congress, talked about money, about support, about the ukrainian victory, so far, there are still no clear answers from the speaker

of the house of representatives, johnson, regarding support. of ukraine and regarding the support of the draft law , which provides for the allocation of 61 billion dollars to ukraine, we are still waiting for the press conference of zelenskyi and biden, because this press conference should take place in about an hour , what the two leaders will say, in principle, you can imagine, because both zelenskyi and biden has already declared his own position, biden said. that ukraine needs help, including the united states of america. zelenskyi said that it is necessary to defeat putin, and this help is also very necessary for, not only for ukraine, for the whole world. how do you , ladies and gentlemen, assess this current period, because it is quite difficult for ukraine,

internal quarrels between republicans and democrats, the issue that concerns... the southern border, that is, the border between the united states of america and mexico, but the money is on kona, which we need, and money without which, as biden said, could lead to the fact that putin could find himself on the eastern border of nato, that is, on the eastern border of europe. let's start with iryna gerashchenko, mrs. iryna, please, yes, we are following up. the news is all from washington very carefully now, and indeed there have already been meetings between president zelensky and the speaker of the house of representatives, after which mr. johnson stated that it was a warm meeting, but at the same time he emphasized his unchanged position on tying aid to ukraine to the border. of course, we all sincerely wish

success to the ukrainian delegation, because the stakes are very high, and this aid is for ukraine. is vital, at the same time the truth is that the stakes have been raised very high in the united states, the election campaign has actually started, and for the republicans the border issue is fundamental, and i think they do not see such a chance now, an opportunity to push this their a requirement in order to get some kind of compromise solution here, but i think that without a concession on the border issue it will be very... it will still be difficult to find a compromise and here, of course, we thank the white house for such a tough and unwavering position and those friends of ukraine from the european union, who also appealed to the united states to support ukraine, because without this help, military and financial

, it will really be very, very difficult now . i hope for a generally positive decision, but let's be realistic, that's all. a few days before the christmas holidays in ukraine, and if such a decision is not taken now, then indeed these debates will continue after christmas, but there there will be such an election campaign and preparation for the republican party primaries that it will be much more. thank you, ms. iryna, mr. oleksiyu, tell me if there are still people left in the congress and the senate who need to be convinced that... this military aid is necessary, because everything depends not only on ukraine and not everything converges on ukraine, we are talking about europe, we are talking about the world, and what, in principle , is at stake in kona? i suggest, however, to be quite pragmatic, let us first of all

understand, yes, that the united states is a very not an easy country, well, sorry, it's a country. number one, they have their own domestic political life, their own history, their own history of the formation of the congress, communication with the president, but i will just quickly remind you that lately all the films are artistic, they are quite documentary, well, they correspond to the facts, i think that many ukrainians have watched this this film is about cherchal from the period of the 40s, troubled times, yes , well, maybe it was called differently there, but you paid attention to how hard great britain fought when the war with rank there in europe, yes, how much support they have from a kindred country, you know what deep ties there are between great britain and the united states, and

nevertheless, the voting procedure, i really paid attention to it then, how it was all difficult, the allocation of material, military, monetary support and so on, that is, what i am leading to, well, we were always hoping that we still... for two party support, we have it, but they their problematic moments, they entered the phase of their election campaign, we we all understand, yes, that next year it will be a battle, a battle of such titans, and it is clear that whether we want it or not, this ukrainian card has become one, unfortunately, unfortunately, it has become one of the trump cards in this struggle, i think i 'm fine, of course, zelensky's trips and meetings are definitely positive, it's difficult here. to deny and whether mistakes were made there at one time, yes, of course, ukraine is rich in its external aspect, it made mistakes, and this is all the times, if

we talk about 30 years, then it is clear that we had, well, i specially re-read it now, and i i will quote of the speaker of the house of representatives, the material came out that the meeting with zelensky did not change the opinion of the speaker of the house of representatives, well , you see, it did not, but nevertheless... he admits to us less, here is his statement from the republicans, yes, we need specifics that we are doing in ukraine, how do we monitor the use of precious money, american taxpayers and transformative change at the border, we still have nothing of this, that is, of course, they criticize biden, but these arguments, well, they look, well, at least, they are these arguments, and with him... we have to count , i understand how we need this financial assistance, and it is even difficult for me to imagine, to simulate the situation, how it will be without it, but you

see, even today this institution of war is american, which i consider very authoritative institution, they give advice to ukraine for the military campaign of the 24th year, and there is no longer hurrah-hurrah forward-forward, crimea tomorrow... ours, offensive and so on and so on, they predict a protracted, positional struggle in which, the main task is to preserve, conditionally, what is the status quo, which is today, these are military issues , thank god, we saw a wonderful photo an hour ago, yes, the minister of defense, zaluzhnyi and syrskyi, well , it’s already positive in this regard, there, uh, you understand what i’m talking about, that’s why very yes, carefully. i watch this carefully and wish the president of ukraine and all of us success in this visit, we expect, of course, we hope for this support and for his

success. well, by the way, you mentioned this photo, probably those who use social networks have already seen this photo, there is the minister of defense umerov, commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhnyi and oleksandr syrskyi, commander of the ground forces of ukraine. of the armed forces of ukraine , today, by the way, is the day of the ground forces, so we understand the nuances, it is already positive, yes, yes, this is positive, because, well, this, this gives an answer to the fact that, well, at least the military command, it is the only one, and no matter who wrote there, it shows that, no matter how there, no matter how he pumped up this topic, because one of your colleagues from the verkhovna rada was simply overwhelmed by the fact that she, well, she wrote in such a way that she was overwhelmed by the fact that what... i saw the three commanders, but they have to do their own thing and we trust them, so there is nothing to talk about here. ms. oksano,

on the eve of the visit of our delegation and the first delegation that flew there, led by umyerov and yarmak and ruslan stefanchuk, there were many articles in the american press about what is happening in ukraine, about the situation. internally, much was written about how the civil and military command in ukraine behaved during the war, about corruption. what do you think, in the current negotiations and in the current decisions, the americans will to be guided by these facts as well, that is, this whole complex of unresolved problems, and the complex with which the entire ukrainian government is constantly reproached, is simple, and since we have a monopoly, then in principle it is the government. zelenskyi, they constantly tell him that there is a lot of corruption, you can't have a military command, you can't talk to them like that, because they are waging a war and they are responsible for

it, or is it influence. does it affect the atmosphere of the negotiations and , as a result, the final decision or not? well , look, first of all, let's state the fact that we hoped for the announcement of financial support for ukraine earlier, that is, it was more than a week ago, and this delegation that went at the head, i would still say stefanchuk, because he is the head of the parliament, although it was a little funny to me to read that it was headed by... the head of the president's office there, not stefanchuk, who is the speaker, but our ukrainian delegation that went to the states, in front of the president, i can say that it was like, you know, a little bit like a cold shower, because what happened something that many of us said at the beginning of the year that more attention should be paid to communication with actually both republicans and democrats,

a lot of friends in... told us that there will be problems at the end of the year with funding, because the elections are not over, because positions began to diverge, because there is no unity, and that is why ukraine must have such, you know, a constantly active landing force, diplomatic, including from people's elected representatives, from representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs, who should actually communicate with those republicans and by the democrats, who already seem that... these little signals were not fully taken seriously in the president's office, as it seems to me, and as a result, now the ukrainian authorities understand that it is necessary to strengthen communication, communication, and these communications, yes, they take place at the level of the presidents , and it is very good, if last year it was enough, just as this communication was enough at the level of the presidents of poland,

at the level of the head... of the leaders of the countries of the european union, america, britain, now it is actually necessary to include additional levers er, actually what the presidents are talking to each other, that is to move these processes, we hope that definitely, as soon as we can get the funds, will it happen this year, i don't want to be there, you know, not optimistic, but, uh, well, it will be very difficult, actually. but if we receive at least proper support, even this communication and public support of the united states, we still understand that we will receive these funds, perhaps even in the amount that we hope is more than 61 billion, or maybe we hope not less, because today it is very important, on the example of these events that have happened now, to understand the right ones, to make the right conclusions for the next year and to strengthen our

diplomacy. not only with such narrow , you know, very refined trips, but to expand them with a large number of people, to involve those diplomats who may not be in power now, but they have their own histories of relations, because so much today in europe and america is actually done on these stories of relations that the country has, including with different people, that is to attract the maximum number of people, so that we maintain support and give us funds, first of all , for which we can define our weapons front, because first of all we do not forget that we have a key problem - this is war, in war we fight without enough heavy weapons and ammunition is very difficult. thank you, ms. oksana , you are talking, ms. oksana, about diplomacy , about the expansion of diplomats, including , as i understand it, parliamentary ones, because all deputies,

except for... deputies of the servants of the people, have some kind of limited access to the event, well, to put it bluntly to say about this before the events and events that are happening in the world, literally in a few days there will be a meeting of the eurocouncil and a summit of the eurocouncil in brussels and there will be a decision or there will be no decision about the future of ukraine, about accession. to the european union, ms. iryna, how do you assess the absence of this, parliamentary diplomacy, and in a broad sense, not as it used to be, limitations, yes, of this parliamentary diplomacy, and will it affect the final decision, because we know that last week there was a story with poroshenko, who was driving and didn't make it to orban, because for some reason they

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