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will take place tomorrow and the day after tomorrow in the european union, in particular, it is about the summit of the leaders of the european community, which will last a couple of days, we understand that the key issue is the provision of macrofinance and other important, so to speak, economic crutches to ukraine. tatiana vysotska, our special correspondent who is in the european union, is in touch with us now. glory to ukraine. tatyana, congratulations. glory to heroes. congratulations, congratulations studio, congratulations ukraine. and i can start with the most recent news. today the european parliament voted in favor of a resolution on enlargement policy calling on the european union to open accession talks with ukraine, moldova and bosnia and herzegovina. 468 deputies voted for it, which is a lot. the resolution also states that the negotiations should be completed by 2030, this is what i previously spoke about and... michel such a deadline
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for the negotiations and also in separate points in the resolution states that the prospect of the presidency of the european council of hungary, which is planned from july 2024, maybe dangerous and pose a threat to the process of enlargement of the european union. we already have such good news today. ms. tetyana, let's explain to the audience what this resolution actually means, and what legal basis it has. so that our viewers can understand, unfortunately , unfortunately, this resolution has more of a declarative nature, despite the fact that the european parliament represents all the states of the european union, but as far as foreign policy is concerned, each eu member state has its own foreign policy , and therefore any decision of the european parliament, and especially such a decision as the decision to open negotiations on the accession to the eu of any state, must be... approved again by the summit
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of the leaders of the member states of the european union, and therefore the ball is still the ball is on the ground of brussels, on the ground of the european council, the summit that will start tomorrow, so we would like to ask you, well , we are talking about the key signals, so to speak, we are talking about the representatives of the european commission, we are talking about the heads of these or other governments, and in general, how is the atmosphere now, how much... spoil deserved by ukraine holiday, the same robert fico, prime minister of slovakia and viktor orban, prime minister of hungary. well, if , most likely , viktor orbán will certainly put us some kind of biggest pig, regarding fizo, then there is already information that slovakia will still support the start of negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu, and this is a good signal, slovak deputies here too. it was talked about, that is
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, now the main intrigue is what exactly orbán will continue to block, and this morning just the vote for the resolution was preceded by a debate in the session hall, in which the president of the european commission, ursula fonden, participated, and she defined the main priorities of the european union for the summit that starts tomorrow, and among these priorities, apart from, apart from the enlargement policy, of course, it is a macro-finance of 50 billion euros for ukraine. and actually, what we heard from the european commission, through the mouths of fonderlajen and another european commissioner, marush shevcevych, they said that tomorrow the european commission will do everything possible to ensure that the european union provides ukraine with everything it promised, but what will it mean? to answer orbán, also an intrigue, because if not officially, it is actually about the fact that most likely orbán can be persuaded into a macro-finance, but not... the fact that he will be persuaded at the beginning
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of the negotiations on accession, and actually also the obligation to the european commission, just as ukraine and hungary are also taking obligations to carry out judicial reform, and... after all , it is expected that the european commission will decide that hungary has fulfilled these obligations, because yesterday the last bill of the promised bills of this reform was voted, and most likely hungary will be unfrozen 10 billion euros out of 22 frozen by the european union, that is, this is already such a bribe for orbán before tomorrow's summit, and we will have to wait for this news literally within the next few hours. well, tetiana, in fact, this is exactly the question i wanted to ask , to ask if there are any specific cozirs, both in order to convince orbán to vote in favor after all, but i would also like to discuss with you what concerns the actual debate on the 12th package sanctions, we know that austria is currently blocking it because it does not want to see
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zen bank, which the current situation with regard to the 12th package of sanctions, here... as if yesterday the news was heard in the walls of the european parliament that yesterday the european commission submitted to the european council a package of its proposals regarding the use of russian frozen assets for the benefit of ukraine, this is actually no no no is included in the 12th package of sanctions, but it is a big sanction that can punish russia and provide ukraine with additional funds, and this very moment can be supported by other leaders of the european union, even. if they have certain differences regarding the 12th package sanctions, and as for the frozen assets, the important thing here is that they can bring 15 billion euros to ukraine over the next five years, this is an amount that would be significant for ukraine now in the current situation, and moreover, 3 billion euros
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from the revenues of these frozen assets have already is available, one of the brussels depositories keeps these funds that have been accumulated. during the months of 2023, that is, this is such a decision that the european council can also take tomorrow, and regarding the 12th package of sanctions, yes, even here there is a joke about austria-hungary, that there is such a reason austria-hungary, because both austria and hungary speak in unison on some issues, especially concerning ukraine and russia. well, accordingly, tatiana, i would like you to show off a little. espress air , that is, well, we can measure only certain informational messages, certain messages from the representatives of the european union, and we in ukraine, well, we just hysterically start counting funds, because this is not a joke, we understand how tense the situation is in the united states, we understand that president
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joseph biden is giving us a firm voice support, so to speak, but we understand that the senate from the congress can somehow implement this unwavering support in a slightly different way and very... in principle, we are worried, and we understand why the situation with our budget is, well, mildly to say difficult , and accordingly, we hope for a bold, financial and generous decision on the part of the european union . the fact that the united states may simply not have time to... vote on the ukrainian aid package because the united states parliament is going on recess at the end of this week and the recess will end as early as the second week, if i'm not mistaken , in january of next year, that is there will be such a lag when there will be no promises
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of financial aid in ukraine, and therefore if the european union were to press for 50 billion to be approved for us, but if they are not even approved, then... first, we have 3 billion euros, which i already mentioned, it is from of frozen russian assets , which will most likely be approved by the eu leaders, we will at least hope for it, and secondly, there are the largest eu member states that are already talking on the sidelines about the fact that in the event that the 50 billion euros will be fully blocked by hungary, these eu member states can use their own budgets to pay. as it receives now, because let me remind you, last year also with the grand opera hungary, if we remember what happened last december in 2022, after all , the european union approved 18 billion euros macro-financial aid for ukraine and we
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will receive 1.5 billion euros from the eu every month, one more tranche is left just in december, and these 15 billion will be paid in full, then... and germany, most likely, if there is such a stalemate, they will make a decision to support ukraine from their own budgets, despite the fact that, of course, this decision is difficult. we thank her for the inclusion, the espresso correspondent is currently in strasbourg and informed us about important news reports, now we are going for a short break, a few minutes, the information air on espresso continues, so please wait. attention, an incredible novelty from rozpak. super warm and very comfortable alaska style boots. perfect fit. water-repellent material and a feeling of warmth even in 30-degree frost. alaska stayle boots have a universal
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oleksandr krayev, a representative of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prism, americanists. glory to ukraine, mr. oleksandr. yes hero slava, i congratulate you, well, a serious situation, in particular it is about signals and what is called a dry summary of the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states, signals from the president biden's usa received very, very positive, once again, but we are interested in giving money for ukrainian cynicism, so to speak. what are your prospects and overall assessment of the president's visit? well, actually, the visit failed to achieve its goals. key goals, we could not in a short period of time and literally during this visit convince the leaders of the congress, neither in the house of representatives, nor in the senate, that the aid to ukraine is an issue that needs to be resolved right here and right now. of course, we still have next week. we see that in some politicians a sufficiently positive attitude
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towards the result is maintained. that is, you mentioned biden correctly, we see absolute optimism there, but in general we were not able to... a number of urgent issues, neither in communication with the trumpists, with the same mike johnson, nor were we able to convince our american partners that we will find all the answers to their questions in the shortest possible time, and this is the strategy of our victory, and this is the accountability of the money that will be allocated to us, and unfortunately, we could not overcome the politicking that in american policy already accompanies the ukrainian theme, that is, we still see that the theme of financing and military aid for ukraine. continue to be used as a political lever, as evidenced by mike johnson's statement, by the way, that suddenly he wants to consider aid to ukraine again, separately from israel, separately from everything else, but together with the southern border, that is, we again see bargaining, we again we see political uncertainty, so despite the fact that the chance remains, despite the fact that white the house is ready to make compromises and is confident in
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the result, after all, the result of the visit itself is, to put it mildly, quite limited. mr. oleksandr, if we compare zelensky's visit last year, we remember how pompous he was, how he was met with applause at the congress, but today we see a slightly different picture, we see a much more modest reception of the ukrainian president and see the results of this visit, which are not very encouraging in principle trip, what stood out for you personally and how would you describe it, do you also think that last year the situation was much better for us? last year, the situation was indeed predictably positive, that is , zelensky's first visit to the usa, as you remember, all the media compared him to churchill, in principle, the reception was very positive at the public level and at the establishment level, but starting from the end of last year year, this attitude gradually became more and more, let's call it working, that is, visits of high-ranking officials, including
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visits at the level of the president, have already become something more expected, more commonplace, and all understood that we are... entering the phase of a protracted war, where such contacts, allocation of money, in principle, the support of the united states of ukraine to ukraine, this will not be some short-term, active, very positive aspect, a very quick success story for the united states, it will really be very difficult, permanent and very expensive work for the united states, which they really need to work on for the next several years, not only until the period when ukraine regains control over its territories as quickly as possible. and will finish russian aggression, that is, we are moving from such a, you know , sugar-buquet period, which was during the first visit last year, to an absolutely full-fledged business relationship, when we are not only well received, because we are so good, but when we are expected and certain guarantees, certain strategies, a certain vision are expected from us, and
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nothing will happen just like that, that is, i do not see that, let's say, the perception of the ukrainian president is sharply negative, fortunately for us. i don't see that his perception has become somehow detached, but it just became a really business visit and we need to treat it as such . look, mr. oleksandr , in your opinion, what lies in the drawer of president biden, in particular, those things that are not discussed at official protocol protocol events, but which are most likely to be discussed, in particular, between the president of ukraine and the president of the united states, we understand that there were several government-level delegations from the side. so they drove, well, we understand that all this was not done for the sake of photos of these or that protocol, you understand, communique, it is about a whole pool of problems, the solution of which... would like, i don't know, the united states to somehow initiate kyiv, maybe some other additional things? well, actually we see that
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the prevailing idea in the united states is that ukraine does not need to hope for a quick resolution of this conflict, and ukraine does not need to hope for a quick victory over russia, that is, the united states is quite prosaic about this, we see according to the first reports about the new one. common strategy of victory aimed at the united states he still insisted on the so-called strategy of active defense, that the ukrainians should not constantly rush forward to a counteroffensive, they should not hope for a quick result even of the next counteroffensive, and we must understand that we will not be able to get all the help immediately, nor the success of the immediate we will not be able to achieve either, and therefore we need to understand that this war is for a long time, that russia will of course lose in the end, but this requires time and resources. and to gather all our strength, this is the first such, well, let's say so, cold shower, with which the americans come to us came out, and the second important message, the americans constantly emphasize that
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despite the fact that the establishment in general still supports ukraine, it understands this importance, but ukraine must constantly give, as we have already discussed, results, give results in the containment of russian troops, to give results in reforms, to give results in the fact that we are moving along the line. changes in our management system, because we continue cooperation both in the context of nato and in the context of european partners and so on, that is, we we cannot just be recipients, we also have to be proactive and we also have to show that we ourselves are interested in our victories, we ourselves are interested in achieving not only military results, but also certain political ones, this is the second such signal, well, and the third, that after all, what you and i started with, that the issue of ukraine, it flew around, it was politicized thanks to the trumpists, and that now the ukrainian topic will always be in almost this state, we constantly it will be necessary to prove absolutely obvious things. mr. alexander,
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the question is: in general, the united states benefits from a protracted war, because what am i leading to? because we had unequivocal support at the beginning of the large-scale invasion, and we heard that we would be with you as long as necessary. right now, the signals are that when... you end the war, then we will see if you will be accepted into nato, we will be with you as long as we can, that is, we are already seeing not so optimistic statements, and actually, isn't that all as a result of the united states, in particular, joe biden's administration is afraid of losing russia, and doesn't know what to do about it. in fact, it's more a matter of the biden administration not being sure of its own, what is called the home front . the biden administration is not sure that... it will be able to maintain the same level of pro-ukrainian sentiments in the establishment that they will be able to maintain the same level of pro-ukrainian sentiments in society, so of course there remains the concern of a quick
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loss of russia, but there is no discussion about this anymore, no one does not see the possibility that russia will collapse at a moment's notice, conditional local tsars there will get nuclear weapons, everything will be bad, such a scenario is not even mentioned, it is rather said that china cannot be teased too much with the great successes of the west. the usa and, accordingly, ukraine, and one cannot be completely sure that everyone in america will be as pro-ukrainian as joseph biden is, that is, it is more of a concern in this context. by itself , it is already becoming clear that its resources, although they are significant, although it is still dangerous, but its resources are not infinite. if we even talk about the nuclear threat, then we hardly see this narrative in american politics anymore, that the nuclear threat from russia is a determining factor, therefore... first of all , we have to talk about insecurity in ukraine's domestic support and insecurity in china's position. look, mr. alexander, on the other hand, we understand that
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the position of the united states is rather strange, we understand that there is a feeling that perhaps part of the american establishment is striving for the so-called localization of the war. we understand that war is the same not only about the ukrainian-russian war. the war is about resources from the west, and we understand that the greater the resources, the more... the war will end in our favor, you know? here is the feeling that, you know , they decided to put some issues on hold, and this applies not only to the united states, it also applies to our european partners, friends, allies in something and so on, we understand, well, you can explain everything, that everything is running out in warehouses , but we understand that not everything was delivered to us, not in the same quantity and not in the same quality, yes, how could it be, yes, that is... in fact, you have correctly identified this problem, that the west itself is beginning to understand that resources are not infinite and not only russian, their own resources are not infinite, the west is beginning
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to understand that... and preparation of the pre-war defense industrial complex that they have been doing for the past six months, it is not yet complete, how and when it will be completed, they also cannot clearly say, accordingly, the most important problem that arises from what you said from what in principle, we observe in the statements of the west leaders, they can't plan strategically, they unfortunately still can't be sure that neither their industry, nor their society, nor their political establishment is ready for... such a long-term confrontation, and all this time they have play the factor of china, a china that is not interested in either the victory or the defeat of russia. china, which is interested in prolonging this whole process, so that the west will be exhausted, so that the west will use up its own resources, and at the same time it will also weaken and make russia weaker, russia, which can claim leadership in the pro-china bloc, let's call it that, and therefore
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against the background of all this weighing. against the background of the perception of new security realities , we see that the west cannot yet give us answers to the key questions, what should be the victory of ukraine, how quickly they are ready to help us ensure it, what will happen to russia in the future and how to balance this new world order, and because of this uncertainty and the impossibility of planning, the automatic exit or solution to this problem is to leave such a certain status quo, that is, unfortunately, we are again let's go back to that scenario... when it is necessary , remember, back in march last year they said that it was necessary for ukraine not to lose, and in the summer we switched, it is necessary for ukraine to win, now, unfortunately, we are slowly returning to the scenario , it is necessary that ukraine does not lose, because the status quo, well, in principle, despite all the problems, but it is understandable, it is such that western politicians can work. thank you, oleksandr kraiv, expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prism, americanist, was in touch with us.
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i want to briefly add that there is important information from germany. german chancellor olaf scholz announced to the bundestag deputies on wednesday in a government statement before the start of the european council that the second patriot air defense system from germany will start protecting the skies of ukraine this year, in fact, there should be another installation soon, the patriot in ukraine, and i hope it will help us survive this difficult period as we know it. that the russians will continue air attacks, in fact, this will probably partially help repel them somewhere, well, actually, now we have to pass the floor to the news service, the news editorial team has already prepared fresh, relevant information, we are giving anna yevia melnyk the opportunity to share with us what will be in this issue. greetings, colleagues, thank you for your work, the details of the visit of the president of ukraine to norway, whether they will return
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to the stands in our country in... more on that later, stay with us, the security service of ukraine predicts that today , december 13, kyivstar will resume work , subscribers will have access to mobile communications and the internet. liability for attack on the company was taken over by russian hackers from the sontsepok group. the special intelligence service notes that cybercriminals are a unit of the main directorate of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation. cyber ​​specialists of the security service of ukraine and specialists of kyivstari interaction with other state bodies continue to work together.

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