sim card holders of one of the mobile operators, but in a situation where we are talking about the future of the country and voting , among other things, can we say that this is the ministry of statistics, which we have always been proud of, because the ministry of statistics has done a lot there in the last 3- 4 years , and it is noticeable, and people who have gone abroad, they say that such an application as action and generally others are... the axes that are in our smartphones, they are progressive, because in other countries it simply does not exist , and people simply feel this difference, but are we ready for that uro level of informatization, whether we are even ready for electronic elections, for something that, in principle, they were striving for literally even before the war, there were such conversations, well, i will give a little pass. in the previous

discussion, first of all, the article for treason looks a bit strange, because kyivstar is a private company, then it is necessary to open an article for private treason, well, the suspicion of treason looks, well, at least comical, i want to remind you that the operators are private ukrainian under at the beginning of the war , they created an internal roaming when they united their bases stations, and they serve all... all subscribers of ukraine. and it was a very progressive step and the right one. there is another question here: when we, uh, switch completely to uh , electronic media, such, paperless, what is called, without paper, then we need to come up with additional, well, i would say, informational mirrors, this or an additional terminal , because vitaly very aptly said. what if

there is no wi-fi to wi-fi ethernet connection, that is, every household must have an optical fiber as a backup, and then through the router you can essentially maintain a normal connection, then, well, everyone needs to have additional mirrors for databases, because god forbid it even happens... it bites about yesterday, well, about the attack on kyivstar, you know , that yesterday started with interesting news, because they are calling me and asking me that in russia , the server of the russian federation has crashed, what will happen, what will be the next step, i say, the next step should be at least the tax base of the russian federation, in a few hours they call me, they say, where are you from? knew that

it will lie down, that is, ukrainian hackers are also working, ukrainian cyber troops are also working, we should not look back at how they beat us, but we should see how we beat, that is why i, i believe that instead of unnecessary punts, the ministry of statistics should because they are sometimes brought in, then there is a special connection, there are ministers, they are such two twins, brothers, they must still cultivate. among ukrainians, well, probably , uh, culture, uh, digital culture of digitalization, that is, well, a certain technological culture, understanding how gadgets work, what their capabilities are, how to protect your information, this is necessary all the time, these media lessons must take place regularly, because in our country, sometimes, in the ministry of digital, everything comes down

to some strange devices , devices with drones, and all citizens should understand such reinsurance in the event of a communication failure to trust their ministry, and this ministry should constantly inform citizens how to behave in such a case. well, what is very important is that communication is very important. during shelling, during missile attacks, as was the case today, for example, when 10 ballistic missiles, and it is clear that in the absence of communication, people become nervous, they cannot call their relatives, they do not know what, how, and here, mr. sergey, i apologize, i did not answer your most important question, i want , for the elections, because we are... allegedly being pushed to think that this

is the most convenient option, well, electronic elections, but the society does not know how to protect its vote during such a vote and... how to check that this the voice is not that no one fought with this voice, this is important, thank you, but i think that since the elections will not be held for a long time, i think that if the memorandum is signed, six months should pass after the victory, so far, there is no victory, six months are still ahead, that is, a rather long period, obviously it will not be elections, but there is shelling, i mentioned today's shelling , 10 ballistic missiles flew at the capital and were shot down. these 10 ballistic missiles, debris fell on the capital's streets and yards and on houses, more than 50 people were injured, what did yuriy ignat say about this attack, about the terrorist attack? let's listen. ballistics are often used

by the enemy, especially when used against ukrainians against the ukrainian capital. why do you think... the world doesn't talk about russians, in most parts of the world, they don't talk about russians as terrorists, as a terrorist country, well, there is such a thing as a country sponsoring terrorism in the united states of america, but this not a sponsor, it's basically a terrorist country that proves once again that they are terrorists, that no laws are written for them? well, let's start with the definition of the state terrorists contact attack, it has to some extent, is regulated by certain definitions, this definition is used by institutions that qualify this or that case of terrorism, this is a very bureaucratized thing,

the definition itself, and even more so if it is related to the fact that it has in some way determine the court on the basis of facts, investigation. and so on. many countries use the term terrorist country, the use of terrorist methods of waging war, violation of the laws of war, and there are lawsuits against russia in international courts, there is a qualification as a country that illegitimate methods of war, but, in my opinion, on the one hand, we are talking about the definition and qualification of actions. of russians, and on the other hand, what should be the punishment or sanction, for the fact that it is supposedly good, they recognized the country as a terrorist, what next, what next, if this is a new package of sanctions, one story, if this is an embargo, we would very much like , for example,

we would like to implement a full embargo on russian energy, but this is not yet the case, if we are talking about the impossibility of staying. or visits of russian officials to countries, which recognize the norms of international law, or are participants in agreements on criminal prosecution, is another matter, but the international court, the criminal court, its statute has not been ratified by all countries, this is the first thing, and that is why putin is not afraid when he goes to saudi arabia or to the emirates of order. in the arrest issued by the international criminal court, there is no widespread use of the mechanisms of bringing the leaders of terrorist countries to justice, this is a problem of modern international law, modern institutions, more and more we

we make sure that such things, which were supposed to work, worked to some extent in the 90s, the boolean years, such as, for example, interpol, well, it discredited itself. that reacted to the red cards issued by russia in relation to ukrainian volunteers, for example, officials or someone else, and even among our colleagues there are people who were detained at the airports of third countries until the circumstances are clarified precisely because there are russian plans against them , the russian interpol was put on the card, that is, the mechanisms of prosecution, and even more so of successful trials, which was recognized. would the leadership of the russian federation fully, the entire leadership, without exception , not specifically some officials there who made this or that decision, the entire russian leadership as criminals, as terrorists, this is not yet, and this is political will, it is not a question of the judicial process or jurisprudence, this

is a question of the political will of the countries of the west, which are still trying to leave some space for dialogue and... for diplomacy, although it is already obvious to everyone that it is necessary to negotiate with the putin regime nothing to worry about, he just needs to be driven away and destroyed, they don't understand that, unfortunately, and we will suffer on this occasion and... it is obvious that this postpones both our victory and the final resolution of the issue of that territory, which should become a straw behind my back. thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. andriy, the fact that russia has now actively started using ballistic missiles proves one thing, that there is no real punishment for these crimes, especially crimes against the civilian population. against which it is launched these ballistic missiles, and in large numbers, because 10 ballistic missiles

is still, well, if i'm not mistaken, the most massive was the launch of ballistic missiles over kyiv in the last two years, and in this situation, what would you say, or do you have an understanding of where the border is, beyond which russia may not cross, or are there no borders for them at all? no, well, i will correct it a little bit , it seems to me that there were 11 or 12 ballistic missiles there in the spring, but anyway, it does not matter in principle, we understand that russia, and we must understand that russia has such weapons, that russia produces such weapons, that they have enough of them, we saw that there was a corresponding pause of almost three months, during which various... monitoring groups even counted how much they produced, that is, they can afford,

and the worst thing about all this, and i am already approaching your question, is that, listen, most of these missiles are made of parts not of russian production, and most of these missiles are made of parts of the usa, switzerland, china, other countries of the european union there, and the question arises, but how does it turn out, well , how does it turn out... it turns out that russia under sanctions can actually calmly produce within a month, someone says 100, someone 110, 120, that's actually long-range missiles, those that can fly there 300, 500, 1000 km, 500 km, this is the most important question, and it actually intersects with what we are talking about, why russia is not even recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism, that is, not even a state ... a terrorist, or at least a state that sponsors terrorism, and that is not to be recognized

wants, that is, there is such a thing, i see this statement among foreign analysts and the foreign press, they say that the conditional civilized west, the united states of america, do not want the collapse of russia, they, they are afraid in their heads, in their , in their understanding of this... international political and geopolitical chessboard, that russia should not collapse at their behest, they are afraid of this collapse, and therefore, of course, they are afraid of, as they say, destruction, capitulation or whatever it is can be named, that's why they don't recognize it a terrorist, they are not recognized as a sponsor of terrorism , they leave certain channels of communication in order to be able to communicate, to be able to talk, and the situation is even worse, that in... europe, the united states of america, there are those who directly say: listen, we need to

sit down and come to an agreement with russia. let's look at hungary, let's look at the current government of slovakia, let's look even at the winners of the elections in the netherlands, who have not yet formed a government, but can form one, and where to look far? let's see to what even some representatives of the republican party, who can be counted among the radical trumpists, say, what does it say? the same elon musk, the richest or one of the richest people in the world, i am not even talking about what the countries of the conventional middle east or the east or latin america say, that is, unfortunately, unfortunately, we have to state that in there is no such political consensus in the world regarding such a state as russia, muscovy, whatever you want to call it, there is really a consensus. or more or less consensus among civilized states, but one way or another, we

must realize that there is no such consensus among many other states, even european states, which should, in principle, do everything to make russia disappear in this legal form, in the form of international, international legal, in the form in which it is now, they, unfortunately, do not even understand it, they even themselves. do not allow such an opinion, and therefore, that is why there is no limit to these strikes, they understand kyiv and kyiv, but we would not have them in kyiv there, conditionally... in the words of patriot, there would not be a huge number of air defense systems in ukraine now, which our international partners provided us, they would have beaten and it would have been much worse, and this is how we have it, they helped us, we provided, accordingly, we have the opportunity to somehow defend ourselves. i understand that the only limit

that they will not be able to cross yet, well, i hope, is the use of... tactical nuclear weapons, at the expense of ballistics, at the expense of long-range missiles, at the expense of , relatively speaking, the same c -300 complexes, they they used it, they use it, they will use it, and we must understand that in the coming months, maybe the next six months, the next year, it will continue to repeat itself and continue, therefore, as they say, morally and by any other methods we prepare and realize, that... we at least need to survive this winter, which russia will naturally continue to use to hit our infrastructure facilities, military facilities, and civilian facilities, as they did today in kyiv. we saw that on the left bank they did not even make wrecks. therefore, well, as they say, we have, unfortunately, a lot of world leaders and states, they have such a rather

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whether you had problems with communication yesterday and today, and you can vote both on... and by phone lines, you are now you see phone numbers on the screens, if you had problems with communication, call 0800-211-381 and 0800-211-382. another important topic, gentlemen, is the upcoming summit of the leaders of the european union, which should begin on december 14 and take place on the 14-15, so far the only country of the european union that says no, or questions the beginning of ukraine's transition with the european union , this is hungary. viktor orban continues, let's say, to express. a special opinion, mr. volodymyr, tell me, from the point of view of our european future, how long is hungary

will be an obstacle for ukraine, or is it an obstacle not only for ukraine, and a problem not only for ukraine, but also for the entire european union? well, the fact is that hungary has reached certain sanctions of the european union, that is, there are a lot of warnings and a financial freeze. aid in the amount of 27 billion. now there is information that the european union is ready to unblock 10 billion of this aid if hungary does not cheat, conditionally speaking, that is, in fact, hungary is offered to provide suspended financial aid, because hungary's economy is currently suffering, and this will allow orbán to feel in his eyes. the voter as a winner over brussels, because he himself provoked this enmity, as he says, with brussels officials, although in reality

his actions and his blackmail of brussels look like he is, well, a submissive calf of two mothers with everything that he is on the payroll of the kremlin, and no, not in brussels, so we perfectly understand what investment projects there are, for example, a nuclear power plant. or the mol refinery, which, well, let's say this, is technologically set up to process urals, russian oil, which goes to hungary, oil pipeline friendship through the territory of ukraine, no wonder, that's why all the blackmails, by the way, these blackmails, they are synchronized with the blackmail of austria, let me remind you, hub'. baumgarten gas and austria, by the way, began to increase gas purchases from russia. well, obviously, it’s not exactly austria, it’s rather affiliated with some gazprom companies that

are based in austria, and slovakia, too, oil refining in slovakia is also done under russian oil, that is, on the one hand , this and the predicted behavior can be explained, but it seems to me that it is precisely this style of blackmail that should encourage the european union. changes in the internal regulations, so that no blackmailer can get into his head again, thank you, mr. vitaly, how optimistic are you about this meeting of the leaders of the european union regarding ukraine's prospects? well, with cautious optimism, because in addition to these 10 billion, which will be used to unfreeze orbán, there are now intensive negotiations about receiving him, in hungary, compensation for agricultural production, there is talk... about unlocking some more positions in petrochemicals and a number of other projects, which are tied to the same

european bureaucracy criticized by orbán, so i think that hungary will still say yes, keeping a separate opinion, i think that the process is a chance that the process of change will begin, but again i do not have any roses eye with regard to the dynamics of this process, we are only entering the period of negotiations on ukraine's candidacy for the european union and the mechanisms of passing through the express method or certain algorithms specially developed for ukraine to acquire membership in the european union, it will not be at different times, we will... face various vetoes that will sound from representatives of different countries, not only from the newest so-called austria-hungary,

unfortunately, without ukraine, but it will also be possible from a number of countries of old europe, since europe itself enters the electoral cycle, and populist political forces that... and put forward anti-ukrainian theses will win there, most likely, they will partially win, that is , this process will be difficult, but now this summit and then the next substantive conversation in march, i think we will have more positive messages than negative or rejections. thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. andriy, please tell me, when zelenskyi... gave his conversation with orban in argentina at the inauguration of the new president, he said that i did not have a question for him, name at least one reason, why can't ukraine

be... a member of the european union, well, this question is suspended by zelensky for now, regarding orban, what reasons do you see why orban does not want ukraine to be a member of the european union? we must understand that the reason is hungary or orbán's government has only one thing, it's friendship with the kremlin, that is, it's their contacts or his contacts with the actual putinists, that's all, no other real reasons, conditions. i just don't see any problems now, in fact, even the last question on national minorities is more than solved, just more than solved by that draft law, already by the law that was passed, everything, even, listen, even, representatives of hungarian national minorities in transcarpathia appealed to orbán to give the green light and stop blocking, in fact, the first funding to ukraine, secondly, the movement of ukraine towards europe.

the union is everything, that is, there are no others of these. basically, we have to understand that orbán is directly working out the kremlin's narratives with his actions. there is simply no other way, and i don't see why there is such rhetoric. yes, perhaps the rhetoric is to bargain with the european union for money. colleagues have already talked about this money, there really is up to 30 billion euros, but he has actually already negotiated 10 billion for himself. i just want to remind you that hungary has de facto slipped into a kind of semi-authoritarian state, but in reality, therefore, that's why there are problems with providing these finances, this can also be another such small reason, but still the main reason is really that hungary, partly slovakia, in the face of fizo and a few more people from his government, yes they de facto have some certain contacts, certain with...

connections, certain, probably some, some relations with the kremlin and putin and his entourage, and therefore they essentially work it all out in this way, the only thing that can really to change this situation, it is true, it is a financial component and this is pressure, pressure, by the way, not only from the european union, including the united states of america, indeed the united states of america itself, despite the fact that it is not a member of the european union, can use its communication channels. and their methods of influence, and they have different ones, including economic ones, they can convince someone like orban to give in, and still, we have to finish ukraine on this first mr. andriy, because we are running out of time , and i want to thank our guests and our guests andriy smoliy, volodymyr tsybulk, vitaliy kulak for participating in the program. during our program, we conducted surveys, gentlemen, and

asked. of our tv viewers about whether they had problems with communication yesterday and today, 87% said yes, 13% said that there were no such problems, god forbid that you will not have such problems again, dear viewers, i bid you farewell until 20:00 and i wish you good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye. ordinary things become unreal. heavy bags are not for my sore back. from back pain try dolgit cream. long-acting cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. with dolgid cream, whatever you want, i'll lift it. dolgit - the only yellow cream from.