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with the change of government, we see that they will be ready to have more dialogue with their nato allies in europe, and of course to build relations with the biden administration, which may leave this position in a year. we see that the old europe, above all germany, is changing its position, they understand that there may be a conflict, and they have already taken up the task of leaving ukraine on a systemic basis in the long term, and this is a radical change in germany's policy, i.e. they look at russia through the lens of ukraine and their central eastern allies europe, nor vice versa, as it was in fact since 1991, who from moscow looked at the fact that they are in the middle between russia and germany, that is, i think that there is such an understanding, whether it is present in others, especially in southern europe, or it is difficult to say now.
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but i think that, in principle, we will see in the near future, well, first of all, whether they will press hungary in the matter of opening negotiations on the eszt with us, well, of course, in terms of the amount of aid that we can receive in the near future, taking into account what has stalled in the united states states, that is, now the europeans have to catch up in terms of weapons and money, and good news is now coming from norway. this powerful country in economic terms and a very great friend of ukraine, it is actually in fifth place after the united states, the eu and germany, which means that in terms of the level of aid to ukraine, both defense and general financial, they allocated about 7 billion dollars for help us, and other countries, this is the northern ones, which the president of ukraine is currently meeting with, are also quite...
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helping us, in general, their contribution to aid of ukraine since the beginning of the large -scale invasion, taking into account bilateral and within the eu, it reaches more than 23 billion dollars, that is, it is a very correct visit, timely, and it is clear that these people, these leaders clearly understand the threat from the russian federation and the need to support ukraine. well, by the way, you mentioned orban at the nordic summit, volodymyr zelenskyy spoke about orban. because hungary is the country that says to the last that it is not necessary to open the door to ukraine to the european union, and here is the hesitation with 10 billion euros, which were supposedly allocated to hungary yesterday, today they say that they will postpone it, because orban does not want to give his vote in order to open negotiations of the european union with ukraine, what zelensky said about orban. and
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let's listen to zelenskyi about the reasons given by orban why ukraine should not be in the european union. i think i was right, i explained to him very clearly: he has no reason to block ukrainian membership in the eu, and i asked him to name at least one reason for his actions, not three, not five, not 10, just one reason, and i'm waiting for an answer. mr. oleksandr, if... president zelensky asked you what two reasons orban has, why he does not want ukraine to be in the european union, the first is putin, and the second? well, the tactical reason is money, and the strategic reason is actually that ukraine in the european union and in nato, of course, with our weight, with our reputation, especially for this war that we have worked for, we will be a very powerful country , and we will block first of all. with the baltic
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states of poland, we are very similar in mentality, the structure of the economy, and of course that in such a configuration hungary will be even less, let's say, necessary, or less willing, less willing to help it within the framework of these same internal funds, so i think that there are also illusions here, that somehow, hungary can strengthen its influence on ukraine while we are in those borders, maybe they have, even they have some dreams there, that they can take away what they consider to be theirs, theoretically it could be, orbán , his nearest and dearest did not say about it, but we understand the trianon trauma well, and of course he benefits from blocking all this from putin, because it's cheap gas, it's nuclear energy and trade, so actually he 's trying, you know, it's like that...
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it seems to me that he should not be considered such a putin agent here, he is trying to squeeze out as much as possible, since on the one hand he is friends with putin and sidney, and on the other hand, he is trying to get into... the trust of the trumpians and even earned such respect there for his conservative practices in itself hungary, that, in principle, trump's inner circle says that it is necessary to do the same as in hungary, and of course, that these are incompatible things, if you are a conservative or far-right in some sense of value, and you are friends with putin, who in fact does not exist , which actually destroys all these traditional values ​​and such... because russia is not a model of what it officially tells on its propaganda channels. mr. oleksandr, can we expect any more surprises at the summit of the leaders of the european union, because before that there were many statements from slovakia about the fact that
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it is necessary to take ukraine, because it is in the conditions of war, then slovakia already said that it does not mind and supports ukraine. on the way to the european union, information appeared that slovak carriers announced that they plan to continue to block the entry of trucks from ukraine, at least until the end of the year, and possibly even longer, well, that is, some kind of double standards policy, i.e. well , we will say yes to ukraine being in the european union, but we will continue to fight for our interests in principle, that is, slovakia and hungary, that is, is... a problem for the entire european union, that's right, for the european union, and not only for ukraine, or do we need to perceive that, that they are exclusively for ukraine, these countries will fight with us for european subsidies and for the status there in europe, although we are a much larger country
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than hungary and slovakia. well, you know, it is absolutely legitimate for any state to be guided by its own national interests , and sometimes it is possible. and do not take into account the interests of other states, but how is this done, if it is in a bilateral dialogue, or they turn to a third party, yes, or some structures, such as a cell or something else , that is, it is a civilized, civilized way, if they block the border with ukraine, at a time when this border is actually vitally necessary for us to hold on during an unjust, of a brutal and... long-range war, i don't know how many more words can be added here, of course, that this is evidence of something else, if we talk about slovakia, i think that the europeans have arguments there, they they just didn't hesitate to hint that there could be a negative point in view of the fact that if they will block the start
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of negotiations with us, theoretically it can be, literally today i read a politician, and there was such information that... well, austria is trying to play, but not because it is against ukraine, but because that they want bosnia and herzegovina to appear in this package of accelerated accession, since the balkans are extremely important for this country, well here we are, by the way, we see that there is the austro-hungarian question, yes, well, the austrians, it's true do not behave in this way brutally, that is there may be friction, and of course, after the negotiation process begins, we will have friction with the poles, because we are similar. both by the structure of the economy and by interests with other countries, and the question will be solely how we will solve it, how far people will be guided solely by their interests, or whether they will make concessions and compromises so that both the parties were satisfied. thank you, mr.
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oleksandr, it was diplomat oleksandr khara, and we continue our broadcast on the express tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms and facebook. friends, today we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about this, or? did you have any connection problems yesterday and today, if you did, please vote on youtube, it's pretty simple, yes, no, and we'll now see the results of our phone poll on tv. 87% of the tv viewers we surveyed said that there were problems with the connection, well, i will hope that today kyivstar will restore the mobile connection, and you will be friends with the connection, and 13%. kivini, we will ask the same question in the second half of our program, in our political science studio, we will have three visiting political scientists. attention, an incredible novelty from razpak tv.
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every day on weekdays from 20 to 22 for espresso. greetings, friends, the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues with the verdict program. my name is serhiy urde. we talk about what is happening and what will happen in ukraine and beyond. today in the program. ballistic strikes on kyiv and a cyber attack on kyiv star. how the russians are trying to sow panic in ukraine. zelensky's visits to the usa and norway. searching for new alliances in the fight against the russians. what is the threat of war fatigue? a historic decision about... ukraine's accession to the eu, what does it want hungary and how do eu leaders react to
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orbán's statements? in the course of this program we are conducting a survey, friends, we are asking you if you had problems with communication today and yesterday, if so, then call 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​or vote on our youtube, everything is quite simple there, yes, no, all calls to the phones, to the phone numbers you see on the screen now, are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. political scientists are visiting verdict today, andriy smoliy, volodymyr tsybulko, vitaliy kulyk, gentlemen, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. since, gentlemen, we ask. our tv viewers, did they have problems with communication, i will ask you too, because in principle,
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we are all living people, we all use mobile operators, different, did you have problems with mobile communication during today and yesterday, let's start with mr. andrii, well , definitely, like most of our country, because the operator of the mobile internet connection number one in ukraine, in fact there by the number of subscribers, yesterday, let's say so... i woke up, saw that there was no connection and of course, being in the city, in fact for several hours, at least i was cut off from the connection, from the internet, it is very difficult, by the way , to register the same electronic sim card there yesterday, yes, indeed, yesterday, specifically yesterday , there were problems, i am the majority of the people, because we see how big, how large-scale this hacker attack was, today of course a little better, today people have already started looking for opportunities, as well as me together with
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with other fellow citizens, he looked for and found opportunities to stay in touch. fortunately, i found it, and of course, fortunately, at least it appeared tonight, a voice network appeared, at least you can call, of course, not yet to all subscribers, not in all, probably, cities and regions of ukraine, but gradually , gradually, thanks to our ukrainian specialists , thanks to our people who responded urgently, who urgently started doing everything to restore the connection, we have it at least partially for the evening, so what? we are waiting there the next few days in order to, in principle , fully restore communication , the internet to each of our mobile devices, and the most important thing that i want to say here is that we need to think, i think, and the authorities, and the relevant ministry and the mobile operator, the internet operator i wonder what to do next, how to protect ourselves so
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that this does not happen, because i am more than convinced that the racists, occupiers, terrorists, they will... try to do this again and again, we have a war and we have an enemy every day , as they say, invents new and new methods, in this way, let's talk during our program, mr. andriy, very briefly, if possible, mr. volodymyr, did you have any problems with communication, you didn't, because the damned war taught me to have all sim cards and power banks at hand and several terminals at hand, thank you, mr. vitaly, did you have problems with communication, i guess so... kyivstar card i have been a client of kyivstar for quite a long time, by contract, and this was a problem for me, but i would not say, that this is such a big inconvenience, because there is wi-fi in kyiv almost everywhere and going from one point to another, i was connected almost all the time and it
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wasn't a big problem, so it allowed me to fall out of the... infademia to a certain extent, but i think it's a good inoculation from dependence, but can you gentlemen consider that what happened to the mobile operator, one of the largest operators of ukraine, that it is the fault of state authorities or the ministry of digital, or could this situation actually have been avoided, because when we talk about mobile communications connection and about an ordinary smartphone, we are not talking only about connection with family and friends. there are a lot of bank cards attached to the phone, you come without cash and i think that now you will conveniently pay in a supermarket, and by the way , some supermarkets also did not gladly accept electronic money, because many terminals were connected to savings banks, the bank was sitting on exactly
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the mobile operator kyivska. kyivstar , forgive me, was it possible to avoid this, because it is clear that during the war, the beginning of the war, i remember there were problems with the servers of various state-owned companies, we had problems with our website, because we were harassed day and night, and we almost pulled it all out, because they tried to collapse us, now the cyber attacks that started with kyivstar have continued to monabanks, this is obviously not the end of this of the whole story, which... started just a few days ago, can the state protect us from the fact that, well, at least we may not end up there at a certain time without electronic money, without activity in a smartphone, without some things that we, well we get used to it very quickly
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mr. vitaly, please, well, first of all, this is such a good hint to those initiators in power who tried to declare that... we need to get rid of cash, that let's convert everything to digital, this is such a good, good bell for them, and i think , that many ukrainians will think three times whether to keep all their money on cards, or to have some part of it in money, and not on a card, this is the first, second, it is obvious that it will not be possible to protect oneself completely from kharkiv attacks , all the more so if... it is conducted purposefully, and there are not enough huge ones specifically for this funds, there are powerful hacking networks that work for the fsb and are trying to collapse. so far we have tried to hold back, but from the point of view of the story with kyivstar, it has several components, on the one hand, it is a cyber attack
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by the russians, and on the other hand, we know what happened to this company, that is, the change of owner, the history of the parish investigative bodies, investigative actions in the company itself, an attack on the core in the company itself, which actually collapsed kyivstar, and... and knocked it out, that is, this should be the investigation that was the last, so to speak say, drop by drop, what actually caused such a collapse, a blow to the core , was it the kharkiv attack from the outside, or was it a sabotage from the middle and it is connected less with the war than with the war between the owners and those who were and who want to gain control over this company, i'm also interested in that, because it could happen again, and i wouldn't want it to happen . on the other hand. any kharkiv attack, it leads to the fact that companies try to build in protection in such a way that they can no longer hit this algorithm. i hope that imonabanks, ashchatbank and others
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made conclusions, this is firstly, secondly, well, and other mobile operators also made certain conclusions regarding what, what could be sabotage from the middle. well, by the way, the fact that the eight articles of the criminal code under which this case is being investigated... and the sbu has already named these articles, well, in particular, sabotage , high treason and encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of ukraine, one of them high treason provides, that someone in ukraine betrayed ukraine, or there inside the company simply created or sabotage, yes, that is, it is obvious that different versions should be considered here, and well, they are mentioned quite often during this whole story. about the founders or about the owners, not even about the founders, about the owners of kyivstar, and the name of fridman, who through offshore companies had
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some kind of stake in kyivstar, is heard there, and this is connected, as vitaliy said, with the fact that there is some dispute or there are some questions from one group of people to another group of people, and one group of people proves to another group of people that what can? if you take away a part or the whole company, can it be one of the versions what is happening around this company? mr. andrew? well, the first thing we should generally understand is that the kyivstar company, through its owner veon, which is dutch, yes, a company that is legally dutch, in fact has a really large share of up to 50%, it was actually. sniks from the occupying state, that is, citizens of the occupying state, and here, of course, i would not exclude the fact that this influence could really be. by the way, about an hour ago, the general director
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of the kyivstar company, mr. komarov, announced about the fact that this attack actually took place through the internal accounting room, that is, in principle, this indicates that indeed, most likely, the sabotage could be both from the inside, and the attack could be from the outside. and if the sabotage happened from the inside, it really means that there could be people inside this company, and we understand that this is a company in which there are thousands of employees, and it is very difficult to check every employee, and someone, of course, from these employees could theoretically would certainly be involved in it, i think it should be one of the priority versions, as much as the general director of this company has already declared about it, this is a question... first of all , let's talk about how the state could influence it, well, the first thing in general, as they say, does not come to mind in our country the fact that the war
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has been going on for 10 years, in fact 10 years, we have not had a war going on for two years, we had tens, hundreds, thousands of companies that were affiliated in one way or another with the occupying state, the same kyivstar, even if there is no question, it is not about... a controlling stake, it's just a huge influence anyway. and i naturally have a question, how did it turn out that in principle, even a few months ago, kyivstar could somehow be controlled by those persons related to russia, this is a very open question. and of course, if we are talking about basically other companies, we cannot rule out 100% that there will be a repetition, we have. other objects of the communication infrastructure , we have banks, the banking system, which is also repeatedly attacked, we must understand we must be ready, and the state... there
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, let's say, even the government, the relevant minister, must go out to the people and clearly say that yes, in the future we can expect a similar situation and for some other subjects, what can we expect a similar situation in the banking system, and people must be ready for it, we must understand that there is a war going on in our country, and our enemy is a powerful enemy who every day, every week, every month, investing... billions, billions and billions of bloody rubles, trying to invent everything a new way to influence our state, because we are not just fighting a direct war today, we have been fighting a hybrid war for 10 years now, this is an information war, this is also a media war, this is a cultural war, an economic war, and now we see that this war is actually going into the it space, into the space of the internet. and this
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also needs to be fought and people need to be told about it, i think that our ukrainian government should also take all possible measures so that we, at least, as they say, class, lay this cushion, which could restrain, so to speak, any such radical things against ukraine that affect the everyday life of our citizens, so yes, of course. we do not rule out that this is sabotage from within, we understand that such and such sabotage, such and such, let's say, internet attacks, they can be in our country, and we definitely have to prepare and talk to people every day and speak honestly, but do not tell there that everything is fine, relax, we have everything under control. thank you, mr. andrii, mr.
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volodymyr, i wanted to ask. you are the government he constantly, well, periodically talks about the fact that we need to come to electronic voting , either through action, or with smartphones, or in some other way, well, obviously through action , this way is the most likely now, and now we see, in principle, enough about, well, how simple situation, it is a difficult situation for citizens of ukraine who have lost contact, because my friends are calling from germany. how are their relatives, because they cannot call them, can i find out how they are, because they are the owners of a sim card of one of the mobile phones operators, but in a situation where we are talking about the future of the country , including voting, can we say that here is the ministry of statistics, which we have always been proud of, because the ministry of statistics has done a lot there in the last 3-4 years, and it is
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noticeable. and people who have gone abroad, they say that such an application as action and in general other services that are in our smartphones, they are progressive, because in other countries it simply does not exist, and people simply feel this difference, but are they ready are we at that uro level of informatization, or are we even ready for it electronic elections, to something that, in principle, to what pra... literally there even before the war, there were such conversations, well, i will give a little pass in the previous discussion, first of all , the article for treason looks a little strange, because kyivstar - this is a private company, then you have to open an article for private treason, well, the suspicion of state treason looks at least comical, i want to remind you that the operators are private ukrainian at
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first. wars created internal roaming when they united their base stations and they serve all subscribers of ukraine, and this was a very progressive step and the right one, but there is another issue here, when we switch completely to electronic media, such paperless, what is called paperless, then we have to come up with additional ones. well, i would say informational mirrors, this is either an additional terminal, because vitaliy very appropriately said that what if there is no ether connection from wi-fi to wi-fi, that is, every household must have an optical fiber as a backup, eh and then through the router you can...

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