good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, war, and victory. and about our successes in the euro-atlantic direction, because today the leaders of the european union at the summit in brussels approved the recommendations of the european commission on the opening of negotiations on the accession of ukraine and moldova to the european union. it was quite a busy day in brussels today and it started with the fact that orban, the prime minister of hungary was against giving consent to the opening of negotiations with...with

ukraine, why did this happen, why orbán actually protested so much against the start of these major negotiations between ukraine and the european union, and we will talk about it in the first part of our program , because among the guests of today 's program will be our correspondent in european institutions, tetyana vysotska, and she, i think, will explain why orban was against ukraine after all, and how the leaders of the european union overcame the opposition of hungary. a big one happened today press conference of vladimir putin, and he said a lot , he said a lot of old things, but what he said for sure is that the goals of the so-called special military operation remain the same, which is the denazification, the demilitarization of ukraine, and he will go to...

what means to go all the way from putin himself, we will already hear from roman tsymbalyuk, and in the third part of our program today will be ihor lapin, a special agent and officer of the armed forces of ukraine, who, i think, will accurately predict how events will develop in on the russian-ukrainian front under the conditions when the united states of america... postpones, postpones the provision of financial aid to ukraine in the amount of 61 billion dollars . in the second part of our program , there will be two people's deputies, solomiya bobrovska and mykola knyazhytskyi, they will already comment on the decision of the leaders of the european union regarding the start of negotiations with ukraine on joining ... the european union, mykola knyazhytskyi

is now in poland, and we will hear live the reaction of our polish partners to this decision and what warsaw thinks about it. solomiya bobrovska, i think, will also comment on what still remain controversial issues, unfulfilled tasks by ukraine from the european union. however , before we start this big conversation, which will last two hours, let's watch a video of how the occupiers use ukrainian prisoners as human shields during the attacks, this video was published by radio liberty and the investigators of this radio campaign verified the video, clearly determined that this happened in the zaporizhzhia direction in the vicinity of the village of robotyne, the zaporizhzhia regional prosecutor's office began to investigate due to russian violations of the laws and customs of war. let's watch this video.

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211 381, not 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free on... at the end program, we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have a journalist, a special correspondent of the espresso tv channel in european institutions, tetyana vysotska. tatyana, i congratulate you and congratulate you on the decision of the leaders of the european union to start negotiations between the european union and ukraine. i congratulate sergey and i also congratulate him on this truly historic decision. come on let's explain to our tv viewers what this decision means and whether it is already, let's say, 50 or 60% of the fact that we will go through all these big negotiations, because ukraine is entering the negotiation process, and we see that quite

complex negotiators, both slovakia and hungary, what does this decision mean and what further actions should be taken by ukraine and the european union, in which way they proceed. so , but first of all i would like to say a few words about exactly how this decision was made, because the decision was actually made uniquely for the european council, for the format of the meetings, because, as you know, similar decisions on the expansion of the european union must be made unanimously, that is, all the leaders of the member states of the european union had to vote for. so, when the question of eu expansion and about the opening of membership negotiations with ukraine and moldova was on the agenda. viktor orbán left the meeting room and thus was allowed to save face, he did not vote for, but he did not vote against, with the wording that no european union leader present at the meeting voted against, with the wording

of the decision approved that promised orbán in exchange, we will find out very soon, because the meeting of the leaders of the european union continues, there are important things ahead on the agenda. financial issues, including the allocation of 50 billion euros for the next four years of financial support for ukraine, which is very important for us, and this issue is quite complicated, we can also talk about it, because, for example, it has already become known, this is not public information, but this is insider information that from the very morning the president of the european council charles michel proposed to reduce the plans a little, not a little, to substantially reduce the plans that... before increasing the european budget for the next four years, and if the european commission requested 66 billions of euros for four years, and 50 billions were supposed to be included for ukraine, now only 22 billion

euros lie on the table of the transition of the eu leaders with a small tail, this is what would have happened if there had been a leak from the middle from the beginning from the closed door of the negotiations of the leaders of the european union, that's why. .. we are still waiting for news, tense, interesting , we will wait for them as well, and yes, yes, yes , tatiana, today a decision was made to start negotiations with ukraine and with moldova, and we also voted to grant candidate status to georgia , this is for russia and for vladimir putin personally, today is such a big, negative event. event, because he understands that the european union will already be next to him, and if the european union, then obviously nato too, should this be perceived as a response to putin to all his aggressive actions, aggressive statements that europe has decided that europe is

ukraine , this is moldova and this is georgia, which means that these are future members of the north atlantic alliance? yes, absolutely, and it's a shame. that this decision was not made during putin's press conference, it would be interesting to see his face in this moment, and, of course, there are very high expectations now as to how these same negotiations with ukraine and moldova will go, there is still no 100% clarity here either, because directly to start the negotiations, a document on the negotiation terms must be adopted framework, and if, for example, we look at the statement of the president of ukraine, at the speech of the president of ukraine during today's meeting of the european council, he addressed the leaders of the eu via video link, and during the speech he said that... these same frameworks of transition about membership must be determined in march,

maybe it was just such a preliminary agreement and he knows more than we do, and maybe this is exactly what will happen in march, because again, if we recall last month, when the european commission decided to start negotiations with ukraine, regarding the accession to the eu, it was said that in march the european commission will prepare another... document on this matter and the same negotiation framework will be determined, that is , it is possible that the negotiations themselves will begin in march, but now after we learned that orbán agreed with the beginning negotiations, there can be any news, there can be an extraordinary summit in january or february, which was also talked about on the sidelines, but actually was not believed, because orbán constantly stated that he was clearly 100% against the start of negotiations with ukraine, so ... we will follow now, i think, maybe even these minutes there will be some more positive news for us. already in the video address

of zelenskyi to the leaders of the european union that you mentioned, he said that today the determination will be either in brussels or in moscow, but practically in the evening itself, it was not clear what to do with orbán, because both macron and scholz invited orbán to breakfast there today, they convinced him that there was no need to put sticks. wheels of the european integration of ukraine , let's listen to what orban said and how he explained his position, because this is also indicative already in the context of the fact that the actual decision was made by the leaders of the european union, but orban obviously stuck to his opinion, even though he did not vote for, not against, let's listen to what orbán said. the enlargement of the european union is not a theoretical issue, enlargement is a process that based on so far. it is a very detailed process that has prerequisites. we have established seven preconditions, and even according to the european commission

, three of the seven have not been fulfilled, so there is no reason to discuss negotiations with ukraine now. well, this was orban's position in argentina . zelensky, as you know, communicated with orban, and as zelensky himself later admitted, he asked viktor orban to name at least one reason that interferes. integration or the beginning of changes of ukraine with the european union, taking into account the position, a special one orbán's position, won't he be the same trojan horse all the time during our process and regarding european integration, because we will still conduct bilateral negotiations with hungary, and in the future regarding joining nato, in fact, yes, this is exactly the system, when... fundamental decisions must be made unanimously, i.e. decisions on the budget,

decisions on expansion, decisions on defense issues, i.e. all decisions that now primarily concern ukraine, the leaders of the european union must make unanimously, and that is, orbán now has the opportunity every time at the european union summit, which is held once a quarter, to present some new claims and demands to the european union in order to trade something in exchange for the removal of the veto, and in fact here it is... today, and not only today, during this parliamentary week, in the european parliament, in the european parliament, european deputies spoke about it more than once, that now, after the european commission agreed to an agreement with orban, part of his funds were unfrozen, 10 billion were unfrozen yesterday euro, and after that it is quite possible that several orbans will grow inside the eu, because other states that are not democratic enough to understand... uh , the importance of the decisions made at the european council, they can also start blackmail and can also start

vetoing various initiatives to get more money, preferences and so on. therefore , it is this system of the european union, one can say, that plays a negative role, that the european union is too democratic. and why is that? it happened because the european union, as we remember, started with a small elite club of states, states that... are like-minded states that think alike, that have roughly the same level of financial support, and with each enlargement the european union became, despite on the fact that it is stronger, but... more clumsy in decision-making, and in the last session of the european parliament, the european parliament adopted a resolution in which it proposed to change the fundamental agreements of the european union so that not all issues here is the plan of defense and financial expansion, so that not all these issues should be adopted unanimously, in order to move to a qualified

majority, which does not require the vote of all the presidents of the eu member states, but on... in fact, i also talked with experts, with deputies of the european parliament, it is possible, but it is not a matter of months, it is a matter of years, well, at least as it looks now, and therefore already at the march summit of the european council, we can meet again with orbán's veto and we can again start to worry about the fact that the european union will promise orban in exchange for the removal of the veto on the ukrainian issue, i.e. that's it. that is, that is, orban is such a european speculator or blackmailer who bargains for himself there 50 billion, it seems, a general trans tranche, and now he was promised 10 billion, that is, orban is actually a political speculator who takes advantage of the fact that the procedures for excluding the country from the european

the union, well, as such does not exist, that is, he is actually a parasite on it, that is, he says, well, wait now. we may not be able to agree on ukraine, and then he may not be able to with moldova not agree, and then he will have claims against georgia, as a candidate for the european union, because hungary is actually a country that takes a lot of money from the european community, the european community can't do anything about it, right? absolutely, absolutely, orbán is a blackmailer and there is a great danger that orbán will not be the same blackmailer inside the european union. and that is why european leaders understand this problem, but cannot do anything about it, such laws are fundamental democratic laws of the european union, but regarding how long this negotiation time can be in ukraine with the countries of the european union, that is, there are 27 participants who have to conduct 27 rounds of negotiations with ukraine, how long it can

last, or it can last as it once was in turkey, there are 30 of them there. .. years of these negotiations, as a result the european union refused to conduct negotiations with turkey at all, because there were other issues that were not tolerated by the european union itself? and of course the negotiations can last an infinite amount of time, but there is still hope that they will be completed earlier, for this it is necessary, we have already talked about it several times, even during the broadcasts with you, that for this , first of all, the political will of the states of the leaders of the european... union is needed in order for them to agree, and plus we already have such , if the deadline set a few months ago by charles michel, the president of the european council, he stated that it would be desirable for the new enlargement process to be completed by 2030, and also yesterday the european parliament approved a resolution on the enlargement of the european union, in which was also about

the fact that the negotiations with ukraine and moldova and bosnia and herzegovina... will be completed by 2030, that is, at least we can hope for this, but here everything depends on how each state will conduct negotiations with us, that is absolutely certain, it depends from political will. well, by the way, the new prime minister of poland, donald tusk, said that the victory of ukraine is the future of europe. let's listen to what donald tusk said. "i cannot accept any such mood, apathy towards ukraine or fatigue, this is something unacceptable, because in fact, we are not only talking about ukraine, the war and russian aggression, no, we are without a doubt talking about our future. what is really interesting, tatiana, tusk says that ukraine and the victory of ukraine is our future, and urban does not say that, he

says that there is a war going on there, and this is actually an obstacle, like, among other things, fico, who spoke before that about that that the war will interfere with ukraine in the european union, well, in the perspective of negotiations, why the eastern eastern european countries, which in principle know what a soviet boot and a soviet soldier's boot are, why are they so against ukraine, this is a socio-economic issue, i.e. there is common european money that ukraine, hungary and slovakia claim, is there a second or third reason about... which zelensky asked orbán to give the reasons why why not do not see us in the european union? well, of course, this is also a question of funds. which is not unimportant for each of these states, but still and, again, i can talk about the members of the european parliament, the session of which i have been monitoring all this week, they

are inclined to the fact that there is a very clear the russian trail, especially with orban, especially with orban, who, by the way, also depends on russian energy carriers, and who recently managed to shake putin's hand and make many complimentary ones. statements in his direction, but even here, by the way, among the members of the european parliament, there were very interesting proposals for ukraine, for example, i was asked, tell me, where does orban get russian energy resources from, isn’t it time for ukraine to turn on the faucet, because they pass through our territory dead bodies, ukraine can also raise such a question, but of course, it's politics, it's not for us. thank you tetiana, it was tetiana vysotska, our correspondent in european institutions from strasbourg, who spoke about the decision of the leaders of the european union. let me remind you once again that the leaders of the european union

have decided to start negotiations with ukraine, not only with ukraine, but also with moldova. in addition, the leaders of the european union decided that georgia will also be a candidate for eu membership. this is today's day, a historic day, without a hitch. decision, because putin's big press conference took place today, and it's a shame, of course, that this is a decision the leader of the european union was not approved earlier , for example, in the morning, so that vladimir putin with a sour face sat at the press conference, trying to explain what happened, because he is so actively trying to hinder the european euro-atlantic integration of the countries that are around, that once upon a time. .. were part of the great soviet union, that is, it means ukraine, moldova, georgia, and other countries that articulate that they want to be

european states, that they want to be members of the european union, that they ee want to be members of the euro-atlantic north atlantic alliance, and we have roman tsimbalyuk, a journalist who knows very well, in contact. what is russia, what is vladimir putin. roman, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. i congratulate sergey, first of all i congratulate everyone on the fact that, well , this is really a historic decision, to start negotiations on joining the european union, it is much more important than it might seem at first glance, although, objectively, it will take years, and not one, not two, but nevertheless, another... two years back, before the full-scale invasion, no one could even imagine that this was possible in principle, let's remember how many eurosceptics there were who are still

in power in europe, but vladimir putin with his terrible crimes, and the ukrainian people themselves with weapons in their hands , this right chose the rights to his own state, a european state, it is of course very cool. i was just saying before your inclusion that it is a pity that this message did not come during putin's press conference today, this big piece of gum that there were shown on russian tv channels, because it would in principle be interesting to look at his sour physiognomy, after this message, because the main message he carried was that we will not let anyone go anywhere, that we will stand our ground, as he says, historical... lands and we will carry out the de-nezification and demilitarization of ukraine, but it turns out that he fought so much with european integration and

euro-atlantic integration that as a result ukraine, moldova and georgia will be members of the european union in the future, which means that in the future they will be members the north atlantic alliance. here you are, two years ago you were at the last one. press no, you were at putin's last press conference for three years, because already in the 21st year the prosecutor's office initiated criminal proceedings against you, in your opinion, this, this action that took place today, i don't know, maybe you watched excerpts , because it's simply impossible to even watch four hours, because it's such a hideous phenomenon in fact and a spectacle, what do you say, how has putin changed, how have you changed? messages, what he says, like those journalists who are there they lick putin live, has it changed, the whole entourage and... you know,

well, i won't use any normative vocabulary here, because putin, he is such a good speaker, has always been an orator, and they could do it so much more- it is less interesting that there were some intrigues and so on, but now we see a hall with sad faces, and putin is actually uninteresting, that is, he is interesting in the sense that he and russia are dangerous, that they bring death. in this regard, they are interesting, and everyone thinks how to protect and protect themselves from this, and everyone is taking appropriate steps to destroy the russian invaders, but even in fact, modern russia sees it exclusively as such a plague that must be stopped under any conditions, and you know, here you said that putin

did everything for... european and euro-atlantic integration, but let's just sort it out and lay everything out as they say on the shelves, when it became possible with every step of the russian dictatorial regime in ukraine, when they walked the earth with their soldiers groups center, like the nazis, and why in principles, that is, first they took crimea and a part of it from the political space of ukraine. and in fact the pro-russian population is objective, people who, well, i think they were wrong and life showed that they were wrong, but they were there and they voted for pro-russian projects, and putin took them, killed someone, deprived someone of the right to vote for ukrainian elections, and this invasion, it has already shown that no, no russians here expect that they will be killed here, killed until the last one hits, and... this is me

simply, to be honest, it is shocking, this weakness and stupidity of the russian regime, but the fact is that the political influence of russia, which was actually limitless, let's remember what happened before the 14th year, there is a certain sergey markov, well, a person with a lack of any critical thinking, said something, and it was news for all the ukrainian media. no, i remember it myself, i worked all my life in an information agency, as far as their presence was here, but they started a war and lost everything, in the end they will lose crimea first, and then they will lose themselves, well, that's us it does not actually concern her, i will tell you one more such fact, perhaps it is already forgotten by our tv viewers, but i will remind you that in

2006-7... putin's rating in ukraine as a politician was somewhere at the level of 50 or 40% or maybe 60 somewhere in this interval, that is, people, when they were asked whether you like putin or not, somewhere around this percentage of people perceived putin as a person who is a native person, a native politician, today, yes please, yes i understand that, and it is clear that... i have always been in ukraine the political process, the political struggle , compromising materials, criticism and so on and so forth, then they have already built this system where putin, he was like that by himself and everyone was told how cool he is, and in fact, if you remove all these sentiments, this could be used, and so they, well, let's say directly in the conditions we were in,

this is the process. well, understanding the fact that ukraine is a ukrainian nation would take a crazy part, well, i don't know, maybe our life, maybe even generations were needed, but these nazis, they, you see, they also taught us, and such eurosceptics as france and germany changed their views, which seemed to be a one hundred percent constant, and now in the morning , who was orban saying that... no, no, no, no, no negotiations, but now he just quietly went to the toilet, this is a diplomatic trick to save face, when you don't vote against, that is, he didn't veto, you see, and this indicates that putin's task is certainly not completed , although at this press conference volodymyr...