in the second part of our program, we will have people's deputies of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi and andriy osadchuk, there is still a news broadcast from the bbc ahead, do not switch. white smoke over brussels, europe told ukraine, such a big decision of the european union live from brussels, bbc new ukraine, i'm hryhoriy zhigalov. so, a nervous summit, but... here's the result: eu leaders approved the european commission's recommendation to open accession negotiations with ukraine and moldova. we will tell you everything that is circulating now on the margins of the meeting in brussels. so, the main issue on the agenda is a symbolic step. ukraine's official invitation to negotiations on joining the euros. union,

the second important point is the promise to give the country 54 billion euros of economic aid and 24 billion euros of military aid, and a decision whose chance a few hours ago european officials themselves estimated at 230%, but it is there. the leaders of the european union approved the recommendation of the european commission to open accession negotiations with ukraine and moldova. the head of the european council was the first to tweet about it charles michel. this is definitely a solution. especially in such conditions, it attracts sensationalism, and even the time when it was announced, we, we will talk about it in detail, but i will start, i will start from the beginning, yes, in the morning, usually the summits , they start in the evening, today the politicians started with 'ride with the sunrise, everyone felt that the negotiations would be very tense, several weeks of painstaking work by diplomats, who tried to agree on all the fundamental issues before the summit, their work was not crowned. in whom everything actually depended

precisely because of this meeting of the leaders of 27 countries , which is ongoing now and which was called the summit of 26 against one even the day before, because on the key issue of opening negotiations with the country on accession, everyone except hungary agreed, and hungary, the closer to the summit, the louder made it clear that budapest would not give in, as we can see, president zlenskyi gave in. in the morning, he spoke via video link at the summit and warned that the indecision of the leaders of the european union will be a victory for putin, and just now the leaders of the countries are continuing the meeting, it is happening in the palace europe, in the european quarter of brussels , the main institutions of the european union are located there , the opening of negotiations is not the only topic on the agenda, there is also the eu budget, there are always long debates around the budget, and the leaders even joked that if... if

necessary , they will remain at the summit until christmas. the quote was, these are the words of the prime minister of estonia , kai kalas, she responded like this when commenting on the approval of the 50 billion euro financial aid program for ukraine, the prime minister of finland says he packed a lot of shirts, and the irish prime minister, he warned journalists: it will be a difficult meeting, be ready to be here both on saturday and sunday, if necessary, so far, it seems that everyone can in principle on friday evening. and to leave, a few official statements from the fields of the summit, before we talk about how this brussels knot was tied and how it was so unexpectedly untied. i am absolutely convinced that this is a necessary debate here in europe. we must make progress in this eu accession process. it is the decision of the european union that we are ready to expand. discussions with western countries balkans, discussions with moldova, ukraine, etc.

and especially in the case of ukraine, we believe that this is a necessary sign that we support the activities of the ukrainians, regarding the implementation of all the measures that we ask them to implement. we definitely have to come to some kind of agreement and we don't have time to delay or look, put it off for the future, but it's definitely a bad signal. i hope that we can reach agreement, at least on some of the... elements at stake, as we can see, agreement has been reached, and the main intrigue of the day held by the hungarian prime minister viktor orban , everything depended on him, budapest, thanks to the rule of consensus, could block everything that kyiv seeks, even if other eu countries support ukraine, orban, he opposes the integration of ukraine into the eu, in his opinion, accepting ukraine into the eu is hindered by war in the near future. corruption,

the large agricultural sector, as well as the oppression of the hungarian minority, which budapest accuses kyiv of, and orbán tried to convince the theoretical issue. distribution is merit-based legally detailed a process that has prerequisites. we have established seven preliminary conditions, and even according to the commission's assessment, three out of seven have not been fulfilled, so there is no reason to negotiate ukraine's membership now, or even not to negotiate. and now i want to invite mariana fakhordinova, associate analyst of the new europe center, to the air. joins los angeles from los angeles, we, by the way, will have a fairly wide broadcast geography today. mariano, i congratulate you, i congratulate you. i, let's say , first, the green light is there, but we 'll talk about it. what happened to orbán? orban

managed to convince the european leaders. he's actually been pretty good at keeping the intrigue going lately. a few weeks ago, and if after the publication of the decision of the european commission there were quite positive expectations that negotiations with ukraine would still be opened, then orbán's statements during the last few weeks really created negative expectations both among the expert community and among the diplomats of the european union, and however, we have seen this willingness of 26 member states to open... with ukraine and moldova we saw the efforts of macron, scholz, michel to convince orbán after all, the european union made concessions and unblocked 10 billion euros for hungary, and i think that all these steps contributed to the fact that, after all, hungary

agreed to open negotiations with ukraine secretly, although, as we can already see from the sources, officially the prime minister of hungary left for. voting, when the decision to open negotiations for ukraine with moldova was voted on, that is, in fact, hungary abstained from this decision, but in the end it was the result of agreements and political bargaining with the leaders of the european union. and here i have to make a small clarification, when the european commission unblocked 10 billion euros for hungary the day before, the european commission says that this decision of theirs has nothing to do with today's summit, hungary simply fulfilled it. certain requirements that the european union and the european commission put forward in terms of the independence of the judicial branch. the fact that indeed orbán, it seems, was not in the meeting hall during the voting for this item on the opening of negotiations with ukraine and

moldova. and we know that in the european one in the union, all issues, all, all decisions must be made by consensus. can we say that here... there is consensus, unanimity from a legal point of view, as lawyers explain, this decision is absolutely legitimate, because in fact one country simply left the voting hall and abstained , as it were, from voting for this decision, and therefore from the legal from the point of view, everything happened correctly and transparently, but on the other hand, in my opinion, this is an attempt by the european union to invent some. tive approach in order to still make the decision that is needed the majority of member states, we have already seen such solutions, such creative solutions in nato, when the ukraine-nato commission was unblocked at the highest level, when again it was possible to bypass the veto of the same hungary, so in fact

this decision demonstrates that when there is political will , or in the european union or in nato, you can actually find creative ways to overcome ... that veto and make it legally correct, according to all the procedures. mariano, stay tuned, i want to add two more guests to our broadcast: snizhana dyachenko, analyst of the ukrainian institute, ukrainian center for european policy and yuriy poluneev, independent expert, ex-director from ukraine at the ebrd, i welcome you on the air, and i have a question. to you , mr. yuriy, from the point of view of the negotiating position and in general negotiating behavior, how beautifully hungary played, i apologize, how beautifully, how beautifully

hungary played, yes, well, from the point of view of all negotiating diplomatic rules, well, hungary has to somehow... hungary needs to promote its interests, yes, and in this matter in this case, hungary seems to have succeeded in getting what orbán wanted. i will tell you this, hungary, the european union is simple. bought because there are certain financial obligations of the european union to hungary, they kept them in connection with the very problematic situation with democracy in hungary and other political reasons, so certain negotiations took place behind the scenes of this entire process of hungary. just made a forced compromise, but i

would like to say something about today's sensation in general, it really happened sensation, but this sensation has another absolutely clear implication, which is that the european union recognizes the key strategic role of ukraine in the military, military sphere, security and , first of all, security for europe itself, obviously europe feels that such events may occur in the next year times when europe will find itself face to face with an aggressive russia, and then ukraine for europe is a powerful force that can protect, if you will, all of europe, there are two countries that actually... can play such a role protection for europe

to some extent replace the united states, it is e great britain and ukraine, and its decision today reflects, in my opinion, precisely the fact that for its configuration, for the security architecture in europe, ukraine today has experience, technologies, and high-tech in the field of defense. for europe is an absolutely , absolutely critical element, that is, are we waiting for the invitation or are we waiting for the negotiations to appear, to appear, on the accession of great britain to the european union, the return , yes, this is a joke, this is not, this is not a question, you know in every joke, as they say, there is only the fate of the joke, and i would say that rapprochement great britain and europe do not... and first of all precisely along this line, the line of security, the line of defense, the line of critical technologies,

the line of critical metals, materials, ensuring economic security, such rapprochement is stated here in great britain that it may not be necessary will necessarily take the form of the reintegration of britain into the european union, but it is definitely a political discussion. political consultations, consultations in the field of security, in the field of cyber security, and in the field of intelligence and so on, will only deepen. and snow white dnyachenko, i would like to add to the conversation the analysts of the ukrainian center for european policy. it's snowing, if not today, then what? good evening, thank you for the invitation. if not, it would show, on the one hand... that the european union is not as strong a geopolitical actor as it tries to show itself, but on the other

hand, there was another alternative option that the leaders of european countries discussed among themselves, that is to convene another such emergency summit in january, accordingly try to make a decision already by consensus and open negotiations for ukraine and moldova, on fortunately, this did not happen, therefore... because after all, the risks would have remained, the member countries would not necessarily have managed to convince orban, so today's decision is indeed a victory for ukraine. maryana fakhordinova also remains in touch with us now, maryana, you are a great expert in the rules and how all the formalities are in general in the european. is happening, here's what's going to happen next, because the opening of negotiations, okay, and, uh,

and then moving directly to the negotiations, because the opening of negotiations is political the decision that is taken at the summit of the european union, then the technical part follows, and there is always the question of what is said in the negotiations, in fact, the negotiations are a long process of unification. legislation of the candidate country with eu law, with kikomuniter, and in order to start unifying ukrainian legislation with eu law. we will need to agree with the european union on a document called the negotiating framework, which is a very technical document that sets out the principles of the negotiations, some key points, and in recent days, news appeared in zmi that it is possible that a special simplified procedure will be invented for ukraine, which is actually not

a reliable truth, it is rather that the european union... is aware that its procedure and rules of enlargement of previous years, they do not work effectively, and here it is said that each country must unify its legislation on eu affairs in 33 different areas and in 33 different chapters of the negotiating tables, as they are called, and each chapter is opened and closed by consensus, and here again there is a lot room for maneuver and to block, ah... the process of negotiations with certain member countries, that is why the european union is now thinking about what is possible in order to more effectively conduct negotiations with new candidate countries, it is worth reforming this procedure of opening and closing chapters, but for now it 's just so we'll talk about it, we will

and we'll talk at all, i hope we 'll have enough time to talk about the general reform of the european union, i'll be brief now... i'll once again remind you of the main news of the last few hours: the leaders of the european union on summit in brussels approved the european commission's recommendation to open accession negotiations with ukraine and moldova. the european council decided to start negotiations on eu accession with ukraine and moldova. this was written by charles michel on twitter. zelensky also wrote: this is a victory for ukraine, this is a victory for all of europe, a victory that motivates, inspires and... strengthens, i also want to take this opportunity to let you know if you watch us on youtube, please subscribe to to our youtube page, generally subscribe to our pages on social networks, you will now see it on the screen, you will not miss any important news this way, we are on facebook,

instagram, tiktok, youtube, you can watch this issue and previous ones. editions , we also talk about important moments every day, we will literally continue with the guests in a minute, i now suggest that you take a little time off and see how the summit is being covered, bbc world news correspondent sofia betitza was covering the summit today for the world audience during the day. a real one is currently unfolding in brussels diplomatic drama. if we talk about... the essence, then this summit is called a key one for the eu, and the leaders of all 27 member states of the commonwealth are urged not to be afraid to make bold decisions when it comes to ukraine. two important decisions are on today's agenda: one concerns the next aid package for kyiv, which will unlock an additional 50 billion euros for ukraine. another question is about permission to start

negotiations on joining the eu. so, will ukraine one day be able to become a member? president zelenskyi even addressed leaders of the eu in video communication. he said that this day would go down in ukrainian history and that now was not the time to hesitate, and warned european leaders that if they could not vote today, putin would find a way to use it for his own purposes. at the end of his speech, zelensky asked the audience for one thing only: not to betray the ukrainian people and not to waste it. so, this is the context of today's decision, let me remind you, mariana fakhordinova, new europe center, snizhana dyarchenko, ukrainian center for european politics, yurii poloniev, independent expert, ex-director from ukraine at the edb, guests of the broadcast, i will now give a little more

information for our discussion, when i was going to brussels for this summit, i saw an article in... active, it seems, and the title was like this : don't touch my money, wealthy regions are concerned about the prospect of eu enlargement. the story is that the enlargement of the eu will cost a lot of money, the accession of all nine candidate countries will cost at least 250 billion euros . if if ukraine joins the eu, then according to the current rules, ukraine will be able to count on... eur 196 billion over seven years from the eu budget, which means that whoever receives this money now will receive less of it in the future. and in this vein, we can say that the blockade of the border, the polish border, on the part of polish carriers, is such a small

rehearsal of the entry, because suddenly polish carriers felt competition from ukrainian carriers, which offered services cheaper, presumably, accordingly polish businesses began to earn less, and here is the result, and i will add some information, public opinion regarding expansion. the eu , it is divided, there are the results of a survey conducted in six countries of the european union, this study by the european council on foreign policy , the attitude towards the idea of ​​ukraine, moldova and montenegro joining the eu is quite calm, but in general, the idea of ​​expanding the eu is mostly not exciting. views differ in the old and in the new europe, in austria, germany, france and denmark mostly believe that the eu does not have in the near future add. new members, while there is broad support for enlargement in poland and romania, so in denmark 29%, in austria - 28, germany - 28,

france - 27, poland - 48 and romania - 51%, we can see the difference between the old and new europe, in the polls also 40, 37 respondents generally support ukraine's accession to the eu, and 33% are against, on average 45. respondents in all six surveyed countries fear that the security of the eu will be undermined if ukraine becomes a member of the european union. i have a question for mr. yuriy: 45%, almost every second person in europe, are afraid that without security will be undermined, will this not become such a basis for the idea of ​​supporting... ukraine's accession to the eu to fall in the future? well, i think that the countries , the population in the countries of the european union,

especially in the old countries of the european union, always have a certain conservatism towards the entry of new members, because as a rule, these are the countries that finance, mostly the budget is the european union, consume it country less. accused, so this is an absolutely normal situation, i want to return us again to a more global one geopolitical issue, the issue is that europe in the next five to seven years must significantly increase its defense spending, its security, moreover, it is about increasing not only the number and efficiency of armies, but also production. weapons, the production of new weapons , the use of new technologies, moreover, ukraine for europe today is a unique,

unique training ground where all modern weapons have been tested, moreover, where the experience gained is not extremely important for europe, and this experience, well, not all people in europe they understand that it is so because they mostly. yes , they mostly look at the situation , there are literally 6 minutes left until the end of the broadcast, i still want to hear, i still want to hear snizhana and mariana, snizhana, look, i am mr. yuriy absolutely right in terms of geopolitical and global issues, but when it comes to money, we see the situation on the ukrainian-polish border, how to do it so as not to become an enemy during this process of european integration? in fact, it is necessary to understand that if the price of

ukraine's accession to the eu is not for the eu itself at the moment insufficiently known, because, for example, the numbers you mentioned, it was a study from the secretariat of the council of the eu, and it is somewhat manipulative, because methodologically, it is not completely known with certainty how it was carried out. estimates, it is assumed that the experts took for such a reference the state of ukraine before the start of full-scale russia, when the economy was obviously better, accordingly, we got huge figures, and it is also worth adding that this figure refers to a period of seven years, if we divide it into an annual period, then we get a number. approximately 26 billion euros, there is another study by michael emerson, a well-known european researcher, he ee according to his calculations, he shows that ee... for

the european union, ukraine's entry will cost approximately 10% of the budget, that is, ukraine will receive approximately 19 billion from the european union every year euros, that is, it is a little less, and it can be considered that these figures are closer to reality, since this study precisely analyzes the situation of ukraine, which is the current state, that is, when ukraine lost certain territories, apparently, even cultivated areas. since there agricultural policy entails large sums and it can be considered that this is a reliable such reference point for i now want to return to mr. yuriy again, very briefly, literally 30 seconds, in your opinion, what is more in today's decision, economy, politics or values, geopolitics, geopolitics, this decision is without precedent, yes, an unprecedented decision, and

i associate it with only one factor, the factor of a real increase in the risk of a major war in europe, uh, and literally 3 more minutes, 2, 5 is left for us to to discuss one more very important issue , geopolitical, the european union will obviously change, reforms await it, ms. mariana, you are definitely aware of all the debates that are currently ongoing about how the eu will change, can you tell me in a minute and a half , what to expect? er, in a minute and a half, it's difficult, because in the european union itself, in fact, there is currently no consensus on how the reforms of the european union should take place, there are several camps of states that are promoting different ideas about whether to abandon the consensus and move to qualified majority voting in all matters in the european

union, which... on the one hand could entail changing the european union treaties, while options are being discussed when this can be done without changing the treaties, some countries propose to change only the enlargement methodology, which i mentioned earlier, that is , the methodology of conducting negotiations, some countries, groups of countries are afraid that if they take away the right of veto, the right to vote, it will reduce their ability to influence the policies of the union, that is why in fact discussions are held, they only... at the initial stage, and there is currently no clear strategic vision of the european union on how to carry out this reform, the only key message that is very important to us is that the reform of the european union should be carried out in parallel with how ukraine will hold negotiations, and so that we do not become a hostage, so that our membership in the eu in a few years does not become a hostage to the fact that we will be told: "we cannot

recognize you as full-fledged at this time." a member of the eu, while you are not, until we conduct an internal reform, so this is a key message, the main thing, yes, well, the main thing is that, the main thing is that the european union itself after this reform does not turn into some kind of organization that it will not want to join at all. thank you very much, unfortunately, this is all our end. maryana fakhordinova, new europe center, snizhana dyachenko, ukrainian center for european policy, yuriy poloniev, independent expert, ex-director from ukraine at edb. that's all for today from brussels, in which the eu summit made a fateful decision for ukraine to start negotiations on accession to of the european union. in the near future , a lot of analytical information will appear on our website, on this account, please check, we will be back on the air tomorrow at 21, take care!

greetings, friends, the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues with the verdict program. my name is serhii rudenko. today is a historic day. the leaders of the european union decided to start major negotiations regarding ukraine's accession to the european union. today in the program. summit of the european union, negotiations on the accession and support of our state, what are the realities and prospects of european integration of ukraine. orban at the eu summit. has the position of the hungarian leader regarding ukraine changed and will it be possible to finally convince hungary? europe should prepare for war. russia's aggressive stance is intensifying, how to counter it. in the course

of this program, we conduct survey and we are not asking you about prospects.