let's recall that he spoke before the start of a full-scale invasion, a guarantee of security for russia, he considers the return to be somewhere around 1997, and even better by 1975, that is, for him , the concept of revenge and what he wants to do is to return the influence of russia not only to the post-soviet countries, but to the countries of the warsaw pact in general, and here precisely under... we have poland, the baltic countries, that is, there are a lot of threats to european partners, the question of europe's reaction, how far will they understand that it is necessary to strengthen ukraine, and not to start digging trenches, because already now european partners , to my great regret, it looks like some kind of schizophrenia, they are so afraid of escalating the situation that they say that putin needs to restore the potential somewhere 5-6 there for nine years, and then he will be able to attack...

on europe and we have to prepare, that is, it is a kind of déjà vu, instead of helping ukraine to turn the tide of history, they are ready to dig trenches on their territory. the question is what to gain time at the expense of bodies ukrainian soldiers, well, this is not an option, i once said that when, god forbid, the last ukrainian soldier falls, nato soldiers will begin to fall. unfortunately, europe has not yet broken down in this context, and america... they still hope that, trying not to escalate the situation, they will return to the situation there, conditionally in 2013, when there were still faint hopes that the norms of international law, internationally recognized borders, that it still somehow works, that there is some kind of policeman there in the form of the united states, that there is nato, and it's like that, that's all somehow will be kept, as they say, within certain limits, putin broke this... all history and international

norms do not work, so either the aggressor who actually destroyed international norms is destroyed, or they really have to be prepared that missiles will fly around them. issues of nuclear, non-nuclear confrontations, this is already an issue of a different kind, here, but figuratively speaking, the suval corridor, a bridgehead in the form of kaliningrad, a road, or rather, and so on, and if there is no nuclear threat, and i... nato will react, this after all, they can be done by someone's hands hybrid war, conditional mercenaries , wagners, who, to whom putin, well, as if it has nothing to do with it, that is, there are a lot of such options, the world must understand that not escalating the situation, this does not mean not giving ukraine or not helping ukraine, the world must to understand that de-escalation occurs precisely at the expense of defeating the aggressor. well, by the way, you mentioned that europe does not... fully

understands the current situation, that they hope to build up their muscles or military defense capabilities until the moment when russia dares to go on europe, although, although drones fall on the territory of european states, literally on the night of the 13th on the 14th, a drone of the russian federation fell on the territory of romania, the minister informed. of the country's defense, and this drone left a 1.5-meter-deep crater near the village of grindu, which is located approximately 8 km from the ukrainian port of reni. f-16 fighter jets and military jets flew into romania's airspace and an investigation was launched, the romanian foreign ministry summoned the russian ambassador, and nato does not believe the drone that fell in romania in an attack on the alliance. well , this is not the first time. is happening, i.e.

first drones fall, then missiles fall, and then the troops may enter, well, this is quite simple logic even for the russian federation. well, look, first of all, this is not the first case, you said correctly, the second point, rockets have already fallen, fell on the territory of poland, the question is debatable there, whether we shot down a rocket and those fragments fell or something else, or not self-destruction of the air defense system worked, this the issue is different, that is, war little by little, it is already entering the territory of nato countries. i emphasize once again, they still believe that it is necessary to dig trenches, instead of giving the opportunity to the ukrainians, which is already ukraine, which is already all in the trenches, to actually give the opportunity to put a cross on the second army of the world, look, well, let's be elementary, well, we disposed of about 5,000 tanks, well, well, what else, well, russia has now established production, they are already... in the range of

100-150 tanks per month, they restore and repair and build new ones, that is, they are in a year will have more than a few thousand there again, how many tanks does the baltic state have? well, that's all, here are all the answers to all the questions, i.e., the question is who will drive the tank, a conditionally hybrid wagnerite, to which putin allegedly has nothing to do, well, little green men in a crook, we remember, europe unfortunately, well, let's say this, it's like degerju some kind of drudgery in their heads, until they understand it, i don't remember, someone said that the united states will also make the right decision sooner or later, but after trying everyone... is wrong, the point is that we may run out before they try again, so does the western partners of europe and the united states of america. by the way, a rather powerful statement by scholz's bluff about the fact that europe will never

get tired of the war in ukraine, because germany over the last two years has taken a huge step to support ukraine, because we remember that... we sent there we have fairy tales, some more ammunition instead of weapons, and what is scholz saying now? let's listen it is very important that we have sent a clear signal of support to the brave ukrainians defending their country, but this signal must also reach the russian president, he must know that he cannot count on the european union and its member states to weaken their support for ukraine. that's it, sir. igor, that the germans actively began to support us and the fact that we are already on the way to the european union, does this give the same putin the understanding that the border of russia and the european union, in the future and the border of the north atlantic alliance and russia

will be along ukraine, well in georgia as well, between others look, you know, a very good statement, but i'd rather see rockets and. there is chaos in our armed forces, and i would prefer to see permission to use weapons on military objects on the territory of russia, you understand, because we will forever ask the germans, for example, there are patriot air defense systems and missiles for them, by the way, they are very expensive, there is no i remember how many millions of dollars one missile for the patriot system costs, and the russians are now starting to bombard us with ballistics, and this is ballistics... well, it is quite a serious thing, especially these s-400s of theirs, when even when we shoot down a missile, the warhead still falls to the ground and brings destruction, just not at the target where the russians aimed, but it can fall anywhere and cause no less casualties, so we need to destroy, not to shoot down

, always ask for air defense, but to destroy launchers in russia, and otherwise we, well, how to win the war, look, russia is not in danger, well, we understand that, yes, that is, on the territory. russia practically does not shoot anything, and there, well, we sometimes launch drones, partisans there, but this is not a global problem. the infrastructure on the territory of russia is not destroyed, russia can fight forever. the european union , european partners and americans and indians, india and china, buy russian oil, buy russian gas, their money will continue to flow into their accounts and the infrastructure will be intact and in order, in us. every day there is less and less infrastructure, putin wants to make ukraine uninhabitable, and if it is habitable, he wants to make it without ukrainians. well, 30% of ukrainians are already from ukraine left and the second point, let's not forget, the price of human life

is not worth anything for putin. i know that for our partners the cost of human life is very worth it, because let's remember the second world war, how badly france was destroyed there, when it was taken over by hitler, or are they because? weeks signed the capitulation in order to keep the houses, i have already told you before, i had a conversation with spanish friends, and they say, what are you fighting for, well, yes and no, the occupation is there, putin is there, the flag is there, russian peace, they want to exterminate us here and so on, they are destroying our cities he says, well, i say, but if they came to you , what would you do, well, he says, how , well, he says, what’s the difference, which flag is on the roof, the main thing is that there is a roof, the house is intact, you understand, that’s it he feels full, measured. europe, well, what difference does it make, what flag , well, the main thing is that there is a house, and what do you think, they will fight as much as the ukrainians, of course not, that is why we are the ford post that we need to develop as much as possible today. join hands and give everything you need, let's not forget, ukrainians are also ending, and those patriots who

broke down in the 22nd year during the full-scale invasion of the military commissars, they are also ending, and what's next, they will give us taurus when there will be no one to shoot from it anymore, well, that's how it looks somewhere, thank you. mr. major, we have to finish our program, sorry, time is running out, it was ihor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special agent, friends, we are conducting a survey during our program, we are asking. you about this, do you support ukraine's accession to nato, now we will look at the interim results of the vote 94 yes, six no. and you have already purchased a thermal blanket, gentle hugs from rozfay tv, then hurry up, because we are announcing a sale, a light, warm and incredibly pleasant to the touch thermal blanket for only uah 299. yes, yes, you can now buy a set of thermal blankets, gentle hugs, for this price. at a favorable price , thermal underwear, gentle hugs guarantee a perfect fit for any figure. special

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prospects of the european integration of ukraine. orban at the eu summit. has the position of the hungarian leader regarding ukraine changed and will it be possible to finally convince hungary? europe should prepare for war. russia's aggressive stance is intensifying, how can it be countered? during of this program...we are conducting a survey and we are not asking you about the prospects of ukraine in the european union, because we see that we are already entering the finish line, well, a long finish line, which will consist of victories. with 20 other members of the european union, we ask you whether you support ukraine's accession to nato, because this will obviously be the next stage of the ukrainian state in relations and negotiations with the european union and with the countries of the european union , including the countries of europe. if you think that ukraine should join nato, vote by number

0821381, no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. today , people's deputies of ukraine, andriy osachuk from the "voice" faction are visiting verdict. mr. andriy, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. and mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity. mr. mykola, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. greetings, not very good internet here. in the hotel, but i hope you see me, see me, hear me, and therefore we will ask you about the way in warsaw, in poland in general, they perceive the decision of the leaders of the european union regarding the start of negotiations with the ukrainian state, what polish politicians say, well, the whole government, you know, and

in fact it is positive for ukraine, because donald, who headed the government, really. in order for ukraine to become a full-fledged member of the union , he said about this in his speech, after being elected prime minister, and immediately the eu flew to us, we had a lot of meetings here, we met with the president, we had a meeting with the marshal of the senate, i threw a small amount oblonskyi, with pavel koval, the head of international affairs, all the members of this commission, with bohdan, who... is responsible for the committee on european affairs of the senate with many politicians, obviously everyone supports us here, everyone supports our membership , everyone hopes for this, everyone says that the problems we had during the last two months will be solved quickly and in the future, mr. mykola, we have a very bad connection, now we will redial you and talk, i congratulate

andriy sodchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice, mr. andriy , i welcome you and i am glad see you on our broadcast, good evening. serhii, i apologize that we also had problems yesterday and today, but certainly not only in us, in all of ukraine, but thanks to the efforts of many, we can hear and see each other. good evening. thank god that we can see and hear. mr. andrii, today the leader of the european union made a historic decision to start negotiations with ukraine and moldova, and our long road to the european union begins with negotiations with 27 countries. to the union, what do you say about the path ahead that lies before us, because victor orbán still has his special opinion, as he was, and remains in the european union. well, look, here are some of the key points i'd like to make on this really historic day. first, for me personally, the decision was quite expected.

i was going through my notes now and somewhere more than two weeks ago on several broadcasts, i remember with the boys. we talked about the ukrainian truth, i claimed that the decision will most likely be made, because it is primarily political, it is symbolic, it is primarily for everything important for the european union, in order to show the european union itself who they are, what values ​​they profess, because after all, they are trying not to be representatives of such real politics, but the recently deceased kissinger, after all , politicians who answer clearly ... defined standards of democracy, standards of the value of human life, human rights and so on, and of course, it is no less important to understand that this decision was first of all won by the ukrainian people and won by the armed forces of ukraine in a much larger to the extent that someone might think that this is an achievement of ukrainian diplomacy.

by and large, yes, over the last year and a half, we worked fruitfully in the verkhovna rada, and there was no... division into coalition, opposition, everyone worked together on european laws, on those projects that, well, without exaggeration, were required of us our partners, but if there wasn't that frantic resistance at the front, if there weren't that unity of the ukrainian people that europe saw, europe appreciated and couldn't believe its eyes at all, what happens and can happen in the modern world, this decision. there was not, so this is the first priority solution that was won by the ukrainian people during 21 months of large-scale invasion, but if you dig a little further, it is also important. everyone, for some reason, i watched a little now , the comments measure it as a ten-year period from the maidan of 2014, but dear friends,

well, i understand that time is passing, a new generation has already grown up a little, but the orange maidan was actually the start of the struggle, the start of the fight for the european the choice of the ukrainian people, that is it actually took us 20 years, 19 , to be correct, for us to come from a period of endless conversations, protests, conflicts, both within ukraine and ukraine with the outside world, for this decision to be made, but less however, this is definitely a historic moment, and it is a moment of historical choice for europe and europe with ukraine, and it is extremely important that this is another slap to putin, as it is today. held some press conference of her own, trying to assert once again the feigned greatness of her last empire, and of course for the european union , it was fundamentally important for the leaders of europe

to show this branch where it is on the modern map of the world, so from all sides, no matter how you look at it, with all the certain operational defects that we had in different periods, it is outstanding a day, an outstanding event, an outstanding decision, but the last sentence is... the beginning of an extremely long and difficult journey, you know how in professional competitions you have to train for a long time in order to be qualified for the right to participate in the competition, but whether you win or no, that's a completely different question, i mean, thank god they qualified us, they decided to talk to us as equals, but i think it will take years before we manage to bring this whole story to a logical conclusion, so the work... very- there will be a lot. thank you, mr. andriy, mr. mykola, i hope that the communication is much better now, sorry, no, no, they did not fully hear how

polish politicians perceived in warsaw, how they perceived the beginning of these great negotiations and the decisions of the leaders of the european union. if possible, please repeat, please, for ours tv viewers well, it was received extremely positively. just today we had a meeting. president andrzej duda had a meeting with the speaker of the senate, malgozhata kidava blondska, and everyone was obviously convinced of our european prospects, everyone was convinced that very quickly the temporary problems we have with poland will be solved, they have already been solved are angry we said in the senate that polish politicians can help us in european integration, because european integration is a complex process, it is a process of negotiations about various spheres, about rural economy, about local self-government, about democracy, about the basic principles of democracy, about culture in the end. and in order to prepare and conduct negotiations with all countries,

it will take many years to adapt our legislation. some actually say it's a decade. optimists in poland believe that by 2030 we can become full members of the european union. i am even more optimistic, i believe that everything is in our hands, we can achieve it even faster, but obviously it will not happen instantly and it will happen. require a lot of work from us and building really allied relations with other countries that are members of the european union. and what do you think, this is the position that viktor orban took and takes, obviously, he has not given up his position regarding the fact that ukraine has no place in the european union, because there are a lot of questions for ukraine, it does not fulfill its obligations , seven, three or four positions out of seven have been fulfilled, and... that in fact ukraine is not ready for this big negotiation process, and orban's advisor has already said that, well, listen, these negotiations will be and will be, that is, and

in fact what happened today is not an indicator that ukraine will reach the final stage when ukraine will be accepted into the european union, that is how you can explain what is happening with orban, because orbán basically represents the voters, the hungarian voters, he... has been in power in hungary for quite a long time, don't our neighbors want us to be members of the european union? well, as i can briefly comment, the neighbors want, of course, because it cannot be said that all hungarians stand in orbán's position, and orbán wants to benefit, he benefits from russia, but he also benefits from the european union, his trade is mainly trade with germany, and when the leaders met with him. union, france, germany, it was very clearly explained to him what could happen to this trade. these funds, which he received 10 billion, these funds that are used by businessmen close to him, let's say this, but in our opinion, these are oligarchs. for

various support from the european union, for local self-government, for various sectoral programs, in fact he manages these funds, he received quite large funds, he tried to save face, because a unanimous vote is required to make a decision, he left, so those who remained voted unanimously, so of course what happened was what everyone predicted, he could not block the process, because it is simply much more dependent on the european union and than on. because of that, he could not actually disrupt this process, that is, he could, but the european union , the largest countries, made every effort to prevent this from happening. mr. andriy, what is in between ukraine, moldova and georgia are among the countries that have the perspective of membership in the european union, because georgia received candidate status for joining the european union, and moldova also opened the door for negotiations with

the countries of the european union. does this mean that this whole story with putin, who tried to keep the post-soviet countries in the orbit of his influence, that today he was simply given a clear understanding that this will not happen, and what he was striving for will also not happen, because membership in the european union sooner or later will lead to the membership of georgia, moldova, and ukraine in the north atlantic alliance. well, look, there's no need to rush here.' i would also like to celebrate some final victories, but as i said, we have only qualified for participation in serious competitions, we still have to perform well in them, and for this we need to make a huge effort. the fact that moldova was qualified together with us, i think it's good, the fact that georgia was granted candidate status, i think it's also good, despite the fundamental political differences that

we have now. is with georgia, which is undergoing the huge influence of the russian federation , but this decision was also and is actually super-political, because it clearly repels the encroachment of vladimir putin on some of his pretended fantasy rights to the territory of the post-soviet, if you can say so, countries that were previously part of the soviet union or were located under the influence of the soviet union. therefore, returning to orban, i think that orban's problem is to a much greater extent a problem of the european union itself than the problem of ukraine, moldova or georgia in the process of our negotiations, because after all, modern the european union is about values, it is about principles. yes, of course, the economy is important, so all politicians are pragmatic, but after all , buchu, irpin, mariupol, izyum, no one can

forget about. see, this is completely unacceptable, if suddenly there is a leader in the european union who quite frankly starts to play on the side of not just an aggressor against ukraine, on the side of just some devil who represents completely different dimensions of civilization, then i apologize for the problem in advance all of the european union itself, so i think that several complex processes will go on in parallel, on the one hand we are on our own track. moldova, later georgia, we will hold negotiations on membership, but in parallel , i think, there will be very difficult conversations about the reforms of the european union, which obviously needs changes, because every time such difficult decisions as today are made at the persuasion of a person who is obviously playing against all the standards and principles of the eu, it is absolutely unacceptable, if we allow, the last thesis is important, being all, all of us... now

we are satisfied with this decision, we have to remember, that for us it is no less important to approve an aid package worth 50 billion euros for the next four years, which must be approved tomorrow, because the decision on negotiations is an important political decision, and not, but with this decision it is very difficult to fight off the moscow invaders, we need resources, we need weapons, and it's all in the package that will be... dealt with tomorrow, so the confrontation and orman's game is far from over, let's see how tomorrow ends, which is no less, but perhaps from a tactical point of view, maybe more important for ukraine in the war today. thank you, mr. andriy, gentlemen, we have to take a short break, we will return to our broadcast in a minute.