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enable me ukraine family. with the support of the national assembly of persons with disabilities of ukraine, enable me ukraine. information day of the tv channel in rozpala. in our studio is oksana yurynets, a professor at the lviv polytechnic national university, ex-head of the ukrainian delegation in the nato parliamentary assembly. a member of the network anc. glory to ukraine, professor, we congratulate you. congratulations to the heroes. well, let's go. let's sum up the results of the historic meeting right away, the meeting is still ongoing , so to speak, orban was given bream on the nose, the representatives of benelux, the prime minister of belgium, the prime minister of the netherlands and so on worked very well with him, well in a word, they took orban out for coffee, then they laughed at him, we beckoned him to sin, promised him money, but that is, despite the fact that orban evaded our veto, well, the beginning of negotiations with... the very key story,

no less important in fact, it is about a large macro-finance from the european union. your predictions, your feelings? well, look, first of all we will talk about why the opening of these negotiations is important, it is important for each of our viewers to understand that these negotiations mean additional funding, funding for the implementation of reforms, funding for supporting ukraine, for supporting the security sector, and that's already another format of cooperation, interaction, which will not be simple, if we are from the point of view of the overview. of what is happening and on polish-ukrainian border, we could observe such similar actions when poland joined the european union, and the situation from the border territory, for example, germany , was the same. as for these decisions , you rightly noted that now we have very interesting decisions, they are new, you can stand outside the door without disturbing the fact that everyone in the hall unanimously raised their hands and said: yes, this all happened, that is no one deceived anyone, but... and it happened exactly

as it happened, and if we are to say, who worked for, let's say this, behind the scenes of what we did not see, i will say frankly, without active work on our part, on the part of ukraine, this... would not have happened in the same way , and we must understand that it is also not the events there of the last days or the last year, these are the events of such a good good dozen of the work of a large number of different stakeholders, ambassadors , diplomats who did this work, and of course that when there is institutional memory, because i will tell you, for example, when vice - the prime minister today was the deputy prime minister then there ivanna, it is clear that this is an institutional memory, it works and you know how you should work, you have to give credit here, it works accordingly. from the point of view of world leaders, for example, such a circle in scholz, i must say here, because the last few weeks, in general, this entire period of time, the beginning of a full-scale war, active cooperation and volodymyr klitschko, who constantly speaks at all events there with our

partners who make decisions on the fly germany is the first economy of the european union, many of these sober germans say, our country could do more, i think that the tendency of ... people, or let's say, their preferences influence the politicians of these countries, and it was not just a decision of a few politicians, as you mention benelux, it's actually the decisions of politicians who want to be re-elected, who want to stay in politics, and they make decisions that they feel, according to various sociological statistical surveys, they make decisions to please their inner self as well to the consumer, unfortunately, about makrofin, the one you are talking about. from the point of view of the pre-announced 50 billion, now the amount is coming, there is information about 22, the same orban writes on his tweet that i blocked the payment, i did that, i reduced the volumes there, this is my victory, without mentioning about the fact that no one actually invited him there, and he just stood somewhere in

a corner while other leaders took responsibility and collected their work, but this is undoubtedly a success and a victory, here you can't , let's say, not be happy. because we have few reasons every day to be happy with what is, isn't it because there is just a day, that's why this is a very correct and necessary step from the point of view of such a future of our country, and i want to say that without our armed forces, it would not have happened either, because the possibility even to actively work today, to advocate for ukraine, this is happening thanks to the great cooperation and work of various people, including journalists, who can react quickly. on certain events, to inform their colleagues from other countries, and they convey this information, so in the information space you will still have to a lot of work to get what we expect in this period of time, and the most important thing is that support that can be counted, about money, it is very interesting,

because the cost of ukraine's membership in the bloc can become very expensive, 186 billion is , writes the times, and actually, because of the financial, let's say... so perepetie, our negotiation process can be very long and very difficult, because it is a competition for finances. in general, how do you assess all the financial problems, whether we will have an easy way, i don't think so, but what kind it can be in some aspects, maybe you can guide our viewers in this regard and make them understand, you know, with the events, for example, this same orban, let's say this, his... in all these events, it looks like that such an economic rammstein of the united countries is brewing, which to those funds of the european union, where this money is deposited , and accordingly, which will influence the distribution of these funds, the fact that it is not easy for us, but it is not only, let's say so , live

funds, yes, in addition, ukraine is the same that country, which is interesting, with its resource potential in different, in different ways, and... minerals and land, and here the european union clearly understands that it sees its prospects and opportunities from the integration of ukraine into the european union, and this is not for the first time, and not now, but also in the eighth convocation, we had a lot of such aspects that when we integrate, it is a movement towards and that is mutually beneficial, because each country must always remember that the european union defends its national interests , but the first economy is of course germany, then with them... france, italy, the netherlands are competing, it is necessary to show that it was these leaders yesterday who influenced the adoption of this decision, precisely because their share in the european union, in this economy is significant, so the economy is definitely will stand in front. madam professor, i would also

like to clarify how long, in your opinion, these accession negotiations can last, well, a year, two, 3, 5, 10, 50, we remember that turkey tried there in the 60s. er, to deeply integrate into the european union, well, somehow, until recep tayyip erdoğan relaxed and engaged in his intrigues in the middle east, well, look at it. turkey is a country that is a member of nato, there were many periods, let's say, opportunities to become a member of the european union, but at some point it stopped being profitable from the point of view of the rules, because it is a club , in which you have to follow the rules, and there are many things for ukraine , as a euro-atlanticist, i have always been told that nato is important to ukraine first, and then the eu, but in fact, looking at how events are developing in our country now, the european union is a framework, a democratic framework, which is needed to adhere to power, i do not think that a turkish leader. with his vision of the development of events and management of the country, it is suitable, this framework is not

always suitable for those who have other visions of development and management, but what is more important, this path is important for us, because it will create opportunities to constantly have a platform for discussion, i really want it to be such a legacy of correct and positive things, effective quality work, because both democracy and our future perspective. euro-atlantic is permanent hard work, regardless of how the circumstances will change, but also on different fronts, well, we understand that in our understanding this is a single front, it is from the side of the army, which also plays a key role in terms of strength, because the strong they want to be friends , they want to have a strong person in the company, they want to invite a strong person to the change table, and here without appeal, we can say that this is a totality of work in all directions and... time, well, you know, as our general zaluzhny used to say, we already

know for sure there will be no shame, yes, and in this case, when we started this conversation with the european union, we already clearly understand that there is no reverse movement on this path, that is, it is a movement to where we aspire to be, where we are historically and geographically, but apart from that, you notice , that this is also moldova, this is also bosnia-herzegovina, where , for example, the representatives of austria, remembering all this history back then with yugoslavia, are still trying not to let us go now, so that the russian federation with its narratives and myths, but embrace these are the countries that will add strength and power, and by the way , with this plan that was announced yesterday, they showed their new security strategy, because when we talk about the nato solution, which is not only from the countries members union , they showed that in this format , by joining ukraine, they become stronger in

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really such a historic victory for all ukrainians, our armed forces, diplomats. parliamentarians, who were also involved in this, voted the necessary laws, and it is very important that the leaders of the european union felt this symbolism, so that after all, a way must be found and actually orbán is out of the game, and macron and scholz really played their role here, and it was such a delicate game, well, actually, on the day of... the summit, on the morning of the summit, it was not yet obvious, so that this decision would be , now regarding the 50 billion hryvnia facility plan, the decision, it has already been conceptually adopted , only legal formalization remains, and indeed charles michel, the president of the eurocouncil said that it is quite likely that there will be

an extraordinary meeting of the eurocouncil at the beginning of january. and there or really a decision will be made again i don't know if orban will turn out to be crazy, or this is also a completely normal option, a realistic option, these are actually bilateral agreements with 26 other countries, so it will not be so legally flawless, it may even be longer, and we will have to strain to everyone, but this is a completely nus... stic option, although, well, still yes, well, it seems to be a feeling from public comments and non-public signals, they expect that orban will still skip this decision already at the beginning of january. here it is also necessary to understand that among the countries of the european union, individual capitals are growing dissatisfaction with the fact that they constantly have to

resort to this blackmail, and well, in the end , it is important in ukraine. that we receive these funds, because this is actually, well, this is not a recovery at all, it is simply direct budget support for the next four years in order to compensate for the budget deficit and to be able to spend the money that ukraine itself collects in the form of taxes on the armed forces . thank you, ms. yevgenia, an important signal has now come from ursula fonderline, literally right now at the press conference, the head of the european commission stated europe will develop a new version of proposals for financing aid to ukraine and other new expenses, but there is already an obligation of the capitals to finance the program, yes the president. claims that during the first day of the eu summit, all member states except hungary agreed to provide financing for the package prepared by the european commission. she

did not specify what agreement could be reached regarding the scheme of financing those expenses, well, the key story is how quickly it can happen. ms. evgenia and ms. oksano, would like to hear your answer? well, i still think it will be resolved in the coming weeks. and the european union is absolutely informed that this is urgent aid, but the tranches themselves, well, they will certainly stretch over time, and in fact there is still a reserve of financial stability, here we must thank, by the way, such a very distant country, japan , which , in fact, has now transferred the first tranche for this year through the world bank and has a commitment. has commitments for the beginning of next year, and in principle, i think there will probably be some additional agreements with the countries of the north,

northern europe, and norway as one of the contributors to the ukrainian budget, and of course we follow what is happening in the united states, in washington, after all , the senate is obviously determined to continue work and on monday they can be news , but... again, it's clear that the lower house, the house of representatives, well, so far , at least, there is no word from speaker johnson that they will continue to work, but again, if there is a decision at the level senate, then i think the democrats will also use it, because they will say, well , that's what everyone said about the border, and they went on vacation, but this is an internal matter of the united states, it is important for us to maintain bicameral, bipartisan support for this... actually, well, they are conceptually, but there are certain internal moments, and of course, the choices that are made. ms. oksano, how do you

assess in general, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine is already saying that they still managed to bypass orban's veto, and they were still able to push through the budget program of 50 billion euros, but how will it turn out look in practice? well, what i told you earlier, i agree. colleague, that in fact, in addition to what we are saying specifically through the european union, these remarks of other formats, promised by the countries 1 billion 2 billion, japan already seems to have exactly 200 billion, but they give so little, well, forgive me, it sounds a little off seriously, japan is a developed democratic country , it's procedures, democracy is procedures, and it drags on, drags on in time, and what they can give is already urgent, what which is definitely needed now. the ukrainian economy and budget, because we understand how much we are now dependent on our partners, so actually it is also very important, because, as they say, the world leader and ukraine have a shirt

that will give the opportunity to cover our partners and their security, therefore, these are parallel tracks that absolutely must be worked on, and the european union, and the united states, and certain countries that agree to this, such as japan, but about the 50 billion that you... mention, it is around this very many orbán tried to talk, so how does it look now, and here, by the way, you quoted ms. ursula fonderlein well, because she played a very key role, unlike other politicians, she showed her consistency and courage, which first shows that the rules, according to time and circumstances, it is necessary to change, if conditionally countries that do not contribute to the budget in any way, but only take from this budget, then it is necessary to understand where... it is more important to direct these funds, and in this case, i see her courage in the fact that ukraine must to help, or it could stand, regardless of what and how such a country will react, as representative orban is today, so

here it is still shown that a new capacity of europe is emerging, an awareness of threats and that without ukraine it is not it will be possible to do, and it is very important for ukraine, in addition to supporting the army, to also have and maintain the economy, i will say... the fact that it can be done non-verbally is very interesting, even our foundation, the ukrainian team, which receives help from germany, i in lviv, they are staying in the taurus hotel, and when the last time they came with bilt as journalists, they were filming in lviv how the humanitarian aid coming from germany works, whether it is really being used here qualitatively, he directly asked, this is taurus with such a hint that we should return and to write about it, i say, it would be very good, because ukraine needs it and they wrote it. now they are trying to find out how they can be started and are trying to give a comment about the borders, whether it is already possible to start them, because they say that at the border everything is delayed from the outside, from the polish side, wow, yevhenia kravchuk

is with us on... on the call, a people's deputy of ukraine, so mrs. yevheniyu, let's go back to the analysis of our big financial plans, well, when we spoke now with oksano yurynets, yes, well, an additional 200 billion from japan is cool, well, but it could be 2 billion or 3 billion, there is a billion from norway, well, we understand that norway is an oil and gas pillar of the european union, the sums there are simply sky-high, astronomical in their budget , and that's it actually i would like to, maybe we need to do something more... to encourage our european friends and partners to donate more actively to support our budget and our economy, what should we do urgently now? well, in fact, here it is not only about our direct budget support that we receive, but in general , the strategy and what we have to communicate, what we have to do, this is joint production and

joint production of weapons, including... because we have, despite the fact that, well, we feel, about two years have passed since the full-scale invasion and there is this one, yes, the european union showed its strengths, and and and they will sell this money, in the end, they will agree, i think in america, but we have to become more and more, well, as they say, self-sufficient, yes, we have tighten the western ones as much as possible. e technologies, the german rhine metro will open factories, there can be, will be , rather, with the united states, joint production, and in fact this is another such additional argument to support ukraine in this collective event, why, because after this tal will have a factory here, production , they will cherish it, and it is clear that they will put good pressure on their government, saying, well, how have we already invested in ukraine,

well... let's go on, we must continue this support and the more we have of this western production here, all the more , they will appreciate what has already been done and press on it, and now it is about the fact that putin is planning to fight there in the long term, and these plans should also be in support of ukraine and in the... western world, and of course we are we will find a way to cover this first quarter, and everything will be okay in the end, but this is how we should think about our policy, which is more independent in production, especially weapons, thank you, yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, mrs. oksano, i remember you have always said that ukraine should

go on military lines. what ms. yevgenia was talking about, it is somewhat similar to what you were talking about, is it actually one of the components, probably, which could help ukraine to get through the war period, well, look, what is correct here is that really, for example, in order to to build a joint plant for the production of artillery shells, which is being built in poland together with south korea, for this you need the permission of the americans, without this it does not happen, you know, for now , it seems to me, against the background of what is happening in ukraine, the easiest is when... conventionally , 15-16-year-old children there ask for 3d printers as a gift in order to start producing some small drones at home, to try to launch them, very often now the market, which has already begun to develop, for example, such drones and drones, has a fear of what is going on information and technologies are intercepted, that is , there is no such trust , it is clear that factories should be built, and in fact we are asked about it, because as of now, i will tell you frankly, there is a lack of this, there is a lot of lack.

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