whose intelligence is a unique tool for adjusting artillery or a means of destroying the enemy, and against this background, it is unequivocally clear that the result of a battle or a particular operation on each part of the front depends on the skills and mastery of a specific operator, a specific calculation of a uav, and now ukraine, more precisely, companies manufacturers that manufacture drones for various purposes are making significant efforts to... ensure that ukrainian fighters have an advantage in drones in terms of quantity, quality, and the other side of the coin is , accordingly, the need to increase the number of trained operators, at the moment a number of leading brigades, in particular the third separate assault brigade, where the well-known terra unit operates, or the 92 assault brigade, where the company of unmanned attack systems achilles operates, are now becoming.. . battalions, that is

, they triple their quantitative capabilities, so they need more operators and have already addressed almost openly to all our potential military that they want to see in their ranks a really larger the number of operators, that is, about the peculiarities of operator training, about successes, problems and challenges, about what role the drone manufacturers themselves play in this process, as well as about what role and place they occupy... operator training schools and centers, about this is what we will talk about in our next military program. my name is serhiy zguryts, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with the spresso channels, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of our armed forces and the defense-industrial complex. and now to we are joined by denys cherednyuchenko, he is the co-owner of the production innovation company devirro. mr. denis, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good day. congratulations. your company and

the products of the deviro company are actually well known to the military itself, but i would like you to first briefly describe what samples of unmanned systems your company is currently supplying to the defense forces, so that our viewers have an idea of ​​​​what we will do next . speak. currently, the main product of our company is the leleka 100 unmanned aircraft complex, which is officially put into service and supplied to the armed forces of ukraine, starting in 2016, and then the question arises as to how the training system is currently built for your complexes, whether it is through the training centers of the armed forces or through training at the company's own base, and then, if there are options when the complex is purchased by volunteers for our defense forces, what are these ways of training implemented by yours? company: the training system of external

pilots-operators to our complex, it is built tako on a multi-level degree, if we say for volunteer supplies, then this is exclusively carried out by us at our own training center, and for the armed forces of ukraine we cooperate with state training centers, and also have with... our own certified training center, which has already received, according to the approved the training program is a permit from the state aviation service of ukraine, i.e. this means that during the training process we issue state-style certificates that allow external pilots and operators to obtain the necessary military registration specialty and the corresponding allowance to

their salaries, that is, i clarify that your internal center is certified and allows you to satisfy all the formal procedures according to the senior staff, and actually any operator who studies with you already comes with this mustache, which allows then the troops clearly stand in a certain area on the front line, the pilots are operators. after our training in our training center, they receive a state certificate that would allow them to receive the necessary military-registered specialty and receive the corresponding monetary allowances, well, i will just repeat this, because it is important, after you we will have another conversation with one representative of the center, i would like to know how they do it, and then the question is how long the learning process is ongoing.

the training program, which is approved by the state mission service of ukraine, provides approx. month, a calendar month of training, during which pilots-operators pass both the theoretical part and the practical part related to direct control, our product, and receive, among other things, the necessary basic skills for combat use, that is, we, in our training program, provide all the levels that allow a specialist... after he already receives his complex, to be useful in the field hostilities but now, i understand that you still have a much larger number of complexes being produced than before the start of the war, is this process of training operators keeping up

with the increase in the production rate of certain samples? at the moment we have a turn on operator training consists of about a month and a half ahead, and thanks to the fact that state training centers are also working, we are more or less keeping up with the volume of production, but if we conduct training, then the operator is already prepared for use, after state training centers we always we try to... invite people to us in order to give them the necessary knowledge that corresponds to the changes in the complex, i.e. the latest changes in the software, somewhere in the operating part, i.e. in order to bring the operators up to the level

of a modern complex, well, that is, in fact , state centers, if they carry out preparation for your complexes, then they take as a basis some certain basic version of the storks, which now differs from... and you later refine it yourself, but returning to the question of state centers, how do you generally assess the level of training of operators at state centers, are there any nuances or systemic things that should be improved in order to really achieve maximum efficiency result, and this is a very broad problem, because unfortunately, at present, state educational centers... are not able to provide themselves with the necessary material and technical base, the learning process itself is not for anyone who does not have some kind of secret , it is constantly accompanied by some damage to educational equipment, and

to predict in advance how many educational complexes will be damaged during the course, it is not important at all, because it directly depends on... the personality of the personal qualities of certain cadets, so our own the training center has such a great advantage that we are not limited in the number of our training complexes, and we can repair them, literally, if something was damaged there during the training day, then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow it will be restored and will be used again by our instructors, together with the cadets, in the state training centers, unfortunately, the limit of the material and technical base is very limited, and if there is any serious damage, it takes some time

to restore it all, and in that apart from this, there is another problem related to the fact that the approach to training in us in... is different from the approach to training in state training centers, which i mean, instructors in state training centers are still above all the military, today he can be used there as an instructor, we can make an assumption somewhere that during his working week he can be transferred to some general duties as for military personnel, and there is no such creative approach, creative and personal approach to to every cadet, as we do. and i also heard that sometimes there are instructors in state centers there who have low financial rates there, that is, in fact, sometimes they are not

very interested in delving into the possibilities of each complex or the peculiarities of each cadet, what are your impressions of this component? activity of state centers, in my opinion, the financial support of instructors in the form of salaries, this may be one of the factors, but still... still, it is not the main one in my opinion, because our instructors, they, for the most part, are also ex-military or specialists in state or military, i'm sorry, civil or military aviation, that is , they are professional people, but we provide them with the opportunity for creative development, that is, we... lack such subordination and such discipline

with regard to our instructors, who are in state training centers, we have no concept of the need to perform some meaningless procedures, even if they are prescribed somewhere in some books, and we try to give... the most practical knowledge, that is, it can be compared with the education system, let's say that in our ukrainian universities, when there a student has to study a lot of extra things along with his professional subjects, and if you take some european universities there, there is a specific specialization in order for a person to mastered her specialty. we do the same, we throw out all the water, we throw out, conditionally speaking, some history of the cpsu,

we give, directly, the knowledge that people need in order for them to be able to use technology as efficiently as possible the safest for themselves, and could do it in such a way that there were as few accidents as possible . mr. andries, i wonder if the representatives of your company there or of other manufacturing companies take part in the final exams of cadets from state training centers, when it is possible to understand what level they have reached and what the real results will be from these operators on the battlefield, when you are suddenly there and you see that these boys or girls are not suitable, you will say, well, you have to teach, because it will be well... yes, in fact, as of today, no, because it

diverts quite a lot of such, large time resources at our company, but we constantly invite instructors from these state training centers to us, we try to inform them... under tight deadlines about any changes in the complex and we try to constantly raise their level of training in relation to past times, so we quite often participated in the process of preparing courses at state training centers by sending our instructors to them and helping. they brought theirs to them educational complexes, including helping

them to train those cadets who were there, mr. denis, but are there , so to speak, statistics on the losses of complexes, faults, calculations, maybe there are some software methods that allow you to determine that there is a complex or the device was lost there precisely because of the operator's mistakes and... and do the calculations, relatively speaking, bear material responsibility for the loss of the device or the complex? as of today, such statistics, well , it is almost impossible to assess how reliable they are, due to due to the fact that the intensity of hostilities is very high, and from... equipping those moments in which the loss of complexes occurs due to the fault

of the operators, well, it is very difficult, including because these cases, if they happen, they are more than once , do not immediately become known to our company, our service center, but when the complexes arrive for repair, we are there for ourselves in... in any case , we constantly analyze why an accident happened. yes, there are cases when it is caused by, uh, human. factors, but i can say that, uh, these in most cases, this happens with young crews who have less than 100 hours of combat raid experience, after that it levels off, and there are further losses for

objective reasons related to military operation, i.e. damage or some other. factors, so it can be said that the process of losses from the human factor is now a little, well , not a little, it is decreasing, it is possible, including thanks to the fact that we greatly expanded our throughput and we made strict conditions. external selection pilots-operators, if we see that a person is unconscious, it is impossible for him, due to some special factors of this person, then we count off excursions, so all this allows to reduce the loss of complexes, directly

from the human factor, and then which in. .. the ratio of the number of percentages of operators that pass through your center of your company and through state centers is 50 by 50 or is there a different ratio? unfortunately, i can't answer this question exactly now, i can only say what if brothers 2023 and as of today, i.e. on december 15, we have passed through our training center about... more than 900 external pilots-operators, how many graduates have been issued by state training centers during this time, it is probably necessary, you should contact them and is there any chance that you have such favorite calculations or brigades there that stand out among other units, in particular, there are better work results,

more efficiency, and then, if there are such brigades, what is the basis of such... well, good indicators compared to others subdivisions, of course, there are such favorite calculations of operators, who even constantly use our some updated ones, and we try to involve them in such a constant process of test operation, if we release any updates, then first of all we give these on... to experienced crews , which can give good feedback and we, based on this, this information, make a decision, or it can be launched in a series, or something needs to be improved, improved or changed. what exactly is

the factor of such success of certain crews is this above all, motivation, when a person, as they say, is passionate about his work, and has such a hunting excitement from his achievements, that is, when this crew succeeds, they are simply motivated by their achievements, and this motivates them to further success. and how does it take into account the combat experience there or the tactics of the enemy in countering our unmanned systems, this actually affects the development of the aircraft design, if it is necessary, and certainly affects the tactics, how does this process take place in your cooperation with operations and with training centers? uh, i'm sorry

, i didn't quite hear the first part of your question, how do you manage to react, in particular, to... the tactics of countering the enemy, to form new tactical techniques there, which can then be quickly transferred to the calculations that your complexes already use, well, gradually after all, to inform the educational centers as well, so that they also take into account any changes in the polybo, how does this happen? we have an organized 24/7 support service for our external pilot operators and we have certain staff at to our training center, which from... monitor some trends, changes, and can say whether it was an isolated case there, or what, if it is some kind of system. then we immediately begin to react to it, that is, we isolate a certain problem and immediately work with it,

connect to this work, our instructors in cooperation with our rnd department, and they find a solution, then this solution is immediately implemented in the form of software changes , or if something needs to be changed. in the hardware, in the hardware component of the complex, that is, it is a constant work that continues, and it is, probably, such a very large share, a share of, the time resource of the company, but can you give some examples, if possible, you can immediately recall them, what exactly has changed in the complex in view of any changes on the battlefield or actions of the enemy. the system of countermeasures by means of rep is constantly changing, that is , algorithms are added or improved in the avionics of our

complex, work is constantly being done on communication channels, we constantly change the algorithms of the complex's frequency reconstruction, changes are made in the work of inertia. navigation system in those cases when the signaling from the satellite navigation system, i.e. gps2nas, is completely suppressed, we implement measures to improve the stability of the navigation system to rep means. we are introducing special devices that can filter interference signals, so this is a constant work in progress. and even if you take the software of the complex at the beginning of a large-scale war, and now it is completely different things. and finally, mr. denisto, i would like

to ask whether it is clear for you yet the situation with orders for the company for next year, are there firm contracts, can you, conditionally speaking, already order components in order to make samples for new contracts, or for now? that this process is still ongoing in negotiations there with mine defense there or other customers? no , i can tell you here that the order process is already known, we are contracted for the next one for more than a year, and we can make some kind of procurement plan, we even did it in advance even before it happened to us... any future arrangements contracts, we made a decision at the company's founding board to direct most

of our free financial resources to stock up on spare parts, and so when we signed the contract, we already had some of our balance of the necessary component parts in... stock, not even in ukraine in order to ensure this, safety for these constituent parts, therefore, in principle, we made planning for the next two years of the company's work, based on this, well, at the moment we have no problems, well , then the ultimate question is whether we can talk about that which is conditional in other words, in the next year, the number of complexes that your... company will put there for the security and defense forces there will increase, well, relatively speaking, by 30%. it will grow more. thank you, mr. denys, for these professional

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and then about the view on the training of drone operators from the position of instructors, or rather schools and centers that were proactive created by our citizens, volunteers, and now we are joined by the founder and head of the

blue sky quadcopter and uav pilot center. glad to see and hear, i congratulate you too, glad to see, very nice to talk about this issue. i would like to start, first of all, if you tell us briefly about your center, how it was founded, how many operators it has trained, that is, the general picture of your field of activity? well, in general, the school has existed for 6 years, it started a long time ago, it is in the united states, i am a professional pilot, i have... more than 800 hours raids by drones, and i have an american education, the school here in ukraine has been working since june last year, because i was a demobilized reserve, on february 24 i went to volunteer to fight, in june i already founded or continued this school here in ukraine,

school today... 400 students, and almost all of them are using their skills and knowledge somewhere on the front lines. mr. andriy, speaking of which areas, linguistically speaking, are these copters, this is the wing of a drone, which areas does your school cover? direction one is multi-rotor, systems - these are copters, because this is a classic technique, it is available to almost any person. it is available for purchase by volunteers or individuals, and this whole course is built in such a way that it covers everything from scratch to piloting , classic piloting, extreme emergency and everything else, there are also several e-classes on the wing, other modifications of unmanned aerial vehicles ,

wing or... first person view model is fpv drone.