and for europe it is 0.107 0.17 in my opinion for two years, then the west simply did not notice this there, and therefore, when a political decision is made, it understands that once a political decision is made, money always follows the political decision , well, the european union can’t vote on integration there, start negotiations and at the same time not support us financially, just like the americans can’t do it, so that it doesn’t happen there, no matter how difficult it is, and that’s why such, such a problem, such hysteria, because they understand that in reality ukraine is never will be more of a part, well, their eyes are there, there will be no russian peace here, thank you, thank you, mr. olezh, it was oleg hrybachuk, public figure, former vice-prime minister of ukraine and former head of president yushchenko's secretariat. friends, we work live, on television, and also on youtube.

for those who are watching us on youtube now please like this video and i see a lot of people watching us now and vote in our poll because we are asking you about the current system mobilization, do you think the current mobilization system is fair, yes, no , please vote, if you watch us on tv, you can pick up the phone and vote, if yes, 0800-211 381, no, 0.800 211. 382 , all calls to these numbers are free. next, we will be in touch with serhiy krivonos, reserve major general of the armed forces of ukraine, former deputy secretary of the national security and defense council, and former deputy commander of the special operations forces of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. general, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, i can't help but ask you, it so happened that, well, in... at the time when you appeared on

our air and when we invited you, there was not yet this story with the maid, you will confirm it is to our viewers that we did not specifically invite you to this topic, but it so happened that it became known that in one of the premises where the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine was supposed to work , it was valeriy fedorovych himself who was found under a maid confirmed that a eavesdropping device was found in the offices where he was supposed to go at 7 in the morning. the sbu has already said that they will investigate this case, if it were not for this, this story with political maneuvers around zaluzhny, which we have watched and talked about over the past few months, including with you, i would even i didn't even ask you who wanted to listen to the industrious, your own or someone else's, here it would definitely be someone else's, according to you , what, what does this story mean and what does it testify to? it testifies, firstly, that

someone is very disturbed by general zaluzhny's work, and it is not only those people who are in moscow. as for who was responsible, well, i think the investigation will show if it is done properly. today, general zaluzhny met with certain officials of the security service of ukraine and discussed this issue. i think they will put dots over and and... sometimes i ask myself why our security service talks about how wonderfully, directly , its units are fighting at the front, how they blow up echelons in the deep company of the enemy, but then why are they not directly engaged in their permanent work, the fight against espionage, this is probably one of the main functions, the fight against internal enemies, this is the basis of everything.

first of all, precisely by those who are a powerful fifth column within our country, therefore precisely for the security service, perhaps the time has come when it must find out who exactly and in what way placed this former servant in the office of the industrious. mr. general, have you encountered in your work that you were eavesdropped or tried to set up a eavesdropping, and you knew about it, and whether listen to you... and now, and listen at the moment , and now, and those who regularly watch my speeches, they see how direct, you know, such extinguishing, blocking of all airs is carried out, and i am not talking about that it has even gone down to the point that i don't have the opportunity to talk to my own mother, because my phone is constantly being turned off by her. in your opinion, what reasons could there be

for listening to zaluzhny's internal forces? well, he is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, he commands the army, he answered. range for the results of work at the front , the results of work with the army, he never talked about politics, he never demonstrated his presidential ambitions, that is, what can you listen to, well, what you say to mom, that is, well, you can say, that zelensky is wrong there or yermak is wrong , well, what can be gleaned from these conversations, especially since you, being in such high positions, i think you know for sure that... what you say, and what you do not say, and what is a secret, what is not, is not a secret, well at certain moments, the wild desire of certain people to rummage around in dirty laundry becomes over the fact that logic and decency are left

behind somewhere, so when they listen to zaluzhny, first of all, if we talk about zaluzhny's internal opponents, they just... at least find something and at least something then use it as possible compromising material in his political activities, as they see it, although at the moment the task of the hard worker, he clearly understands what he is constantly engaged in, is waging war with the russian federation, why would someone i thought to myself that his rating is much higher than the rating of the president, well, he probably fulfills his duties much more professionally than i do. that's all, and it's normal, when during a war, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, you have a high rating of support from your own people, it means everything is good, and to be jealous of this, it was simple, you know, somehow funny and silly, what's the point, mr. general , can

lead to the misunderstandings that we observe, and because what happened with the possibility or attempt to eavesdrop on the general. of course it's a crime but how can the misunderstanding between the civilian leadership and the military end and how does it affect the emotional and psychological state of those people who are now at the front, those who are fighting? well, it annoys people, and i constantly talk to my comrades at the front, and they do not understand at all why they do this and why they get involved in military affairs, why they do such... dirty things, and as for that, it would be better, i guess , the civilian leadership to deal with those issues during the war for which they respond, and remind that the law on mobilization, mobilize training primarily concerns the civilian leadership, and it is they who must be engaged in the preparation

of the mobilization process and the provision of the armed forces, prepared by trained personnel by citizens of ukraine and high-quality equipment. unfortunately, this is not the case. there is now a rather important problem, the problem of mobilization, further mobilization of men to the armed forces of ukraine has appeared, general zaluzhnyi believes that the new recruiting project for the armed forces is still too early to evaluate, because there are two draft laws that are in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, in matters of mobilization , it is necessary to return the existing framework, that is , the framework that existed before this mass dismissal. territorial military centers of equipment. let's listen to what zaluzhny said. it is still a little early to evaluate recruiting, a little early. and as for mobilization issues, well, it is not something that should be strengthened, but

returned to the same limits, to the same framework as they worked before. because now it is, let's say, the problem of those guys who are fighting on the front line, someone has to replace them and... we have to have someone help us and they are now , well, over time, they are left on their own, and this is completely wrong, so it is simply necessary to return it to the framework that we acquire, which you worked with before, regional incomes greatly affected the effectiveness of mobilization, these were professionals, they knew how to do it, according to you, mr. general, the mass replacement of the leaders... of the central committee, well , of the military committees, how did it affect the mobilization, and uh , in this case, was it not such a decision, hasty, because were military commissars against whom law enforcement agencies had complaints, all of them others were simply released, as once upon a time in

soviet times, all, yes all, simply. well, this is one of the examples when green populism ran ahead of miski. and when that happened, i was also... strongly opposed to not engaging in such, you know, generalizing and generalizing people and accusing them of something that has not yet been proven, those who are guilty should have been punished, and... we had to work, what we got, we got that the mobilization process was disrupted, thanks to that populism, which everyone, many, some clapped their hands, said, everything is cool, cool, but now the process of mobilization is on the way out, well, if you say, it has slowed down, it is practically nothing, we ask what is so bad, no, not bad, very bad, eh, mr. general, what is justice in the current... under the conditions , what is fair mobilization, what should it be, and why

are the verkhovna rada currently trying to adopt some additional legislative acts in order to standardize certain provisions, and what does it have to do with, you know, there is still a big problem here, in its time, if elected representatives, especially men, who are in the verkhovna rada are now, most of them have served in the armed forces or in other power structures, i think that the situation in terms of understanding and perception of the situation regarding the defense of ukraine would be viewed in a completely different way, and if the lion's share of these boys who are in the verkhovna rada , did not serve and is still proud of it, what we have, we have that currently the deputies who did not pass

themselves did not... they tell ukrainians how to defend ukraine, this it's just funny, the phrase "do as i say, but do as i" is accepted in the army, as well as in ukrainian society. so , they cannot use the word "do as i do" in their majority, because very few citizens who are elected by the people have served in the armed forces. mr. general, the new minister of defense of ukraine, ruslem umyerov, says that the local government should contribute more to the mobilization work, because the local self-government itself can significantly strengthen the need to attract, as he said, specialists to the defense forces through the recruiting project. i do not i completely understand, well, the head of the village council should go around the yards, handing out these trips, then it will turn out that the head of the village council will be similar to the head of the tsk from odesa, who will

have land, new houses will appear there, that is, whether or not it is necessary this system, which existed until now, should still be made hybrid, when local authorities will still be involved in it, and not only this vertical that existed, the vertical of tsk, you see, mr. serhiy, that is precisely the problem that you do you perceive... just changing the work of certain officials in the state for real work, so if you open the law on mobilization and article 17, which clearly defines the powers and duties of local self-government bodies, and it is written there that they are responsible for entering records and supplying the mobilization resource to territorial procurement centers, read openly: and then we will understand that it is not the military commissars who must drive away, as we see, this

disgrace, through certain channels, but precisely the authorities must be responsible for providing the armed forces with the required number of high-quality personnel who are ready to serve to weapons in the armed forces, the authorities removed themselves from this, the military, realizing that this was their need, engaged in it, and for some reason everyone accepted that it should be so and... if during the trainings held in truskavets for young politicians of the monomajority, if at least half an hour were devoted to studying the law on mobilization, mobilization preparation, i think there would be much fewer questions, but it is precisely illiteracy, complete illiteracy regarding the performance of one's functional duties that leads to the fact that we perceive that mobilization problems are problems purely military, on the contrary. are consumers , let's call it, conditional rough, and they must accept

both people and equipment prepared by the civil leadership of the country, that is, what is said in moderation, it is absolutely logical, and it should be exactly the way it should be, correctly, i am glad, that the minister of defense heard my speeches last week, read the law on mobilization and clearly formulated how... local authorities must fulfill their functional duties in accordance with this law. mr. general, i wanted to ask you again about what i said two times weeks ago biden, then repeated stolting. that if russia does not help ukraine, russia will simply go further to europe and fight with nato countries. vladimir putin called the statement of the president of the united states of america, joseph biden , that russia could attack nato as nonsense. let's listen to what putin said. i think that even

president biden understands this, it's just a figure of speech to justify.

what a war on ukraine, i remember these statements in january, february 22nd, you, mr. general, how do you assess this situation, or can this russian recklessness to simply throw them , including at nato countries, well, not trusting putin, it’s the same as, let’s remember the ukrainian proverb, let it be so possible and brutal sounding, but the national anthem’s scorned pig is not to be eaten, that’s how we will perceive it continuation goes seven. everyone has eaten, so it is precisely in this sense that putin said on the eve of february 24 that no one is planning to attack anywhere and everything will be fine, therefore it is better to shoot yourself in the foot to believe putin, the most important thing for us is to understand that we are in such a difficult

enough situation, but it is not hopeless and the situation is under control and... in the fact that we have to revise our views not only on conducting mobilization, and mobilization is perceived by everyone as only affecting people, and mobilization that as far as the economy is concerned, the mobilization that concerns the supply of products to the armed forces at the expense of our own economy, this is probably the most important mobilization, and we must understand quite clearly that we still have difficult times ahead of us, but we can solve them if we... correctly perform their functional duties, according to those documents that have long been worked out and tested by time. as for the desire of the russians to attack nato countries, well, everything starts small, and their desire, first of all, is the baltic countries, this is georgia, and maybe they

have developed certain appetites there for finland, with finland it's easier, the most important thing, if you attack finland, is to have... such a powerful winter, as historical experience shows, uh, finland is skillful in fighting on its own territory and can to pack russian troops in the swamps and in the cold, and it is counted in tens of thousands. well, by the way, putin is already threatening finland, saying that the country's accession to nato only pushes russia there, regarding the deployment of troops and the creation of the leningrad military. e district, although it was this military district when there was a soviet union, let's listen to what putin said about finland: they took, dragged finland into nato, we had some disputes with finland, all disputes, including those of a territorial nature in the middle of the 20th century everything was resolved a long time ago, we

had the best, most cordial relations, economically, everything was developing, yes, there were some problems in the forest complex. well, they were connected with the need to develop wood processing within the country, well, that’s all nonsense, trifles , really, there was no problem, now there will be, because we will now create the leningrad military district there and concentrate military units there, of course, why do they need it , it’s so simple, well, when he repeats this constantly, it always feels like he well, he constantly lies and constantly tells lies. in your opinion, how long will this lie and nonsense, which he himself carries, continue to be consumed in russia, or when in russia finally some of the... understand that it is not possible to behave the way they are behaving, and the fact that what they are doing in ukraine is a crime for which not only the current generation must be responsible, but all

the generations that will come after them, unfortunately, there are greedy traces ahead in the city , taking into account the level of begging that in russia, let's call it further, for the money received by the military of the russian federation, they, their relatives and loved ones are ready to wait. to endure and remain silent, and even if they die, they know that they will make good money from this, they will receive such money that they would never be able to earn, so it is precisely the financial component and the propaganda component that give such a powerful result at this stage, this the first, the second is that, from our point of view, we have absolutely no informational influence on russian citizens, we do not have an informational and psychological operation in the direction. opposition to the russians, and it is also let's put it this way, it allows the russians to feel confident that no one is telling or showing the truth about the russian-ukrainian war, and this is

a problem that we must solve if we want to win in this war. well, you mean that these freedoms, the only telethons, just don't get there, all the other information resources are simply inaccessible to the russians, and we can't do anything about it at all. we do not want to do anything about it if professionals took part in the processes, and we have enough of them and a huge number of journalists who are called to the ranks of the armed forces, they have such a powerful force, correctly set the task, distribute technical and informational capabilities and twist the process in favor of ukraine, it may be in favor of ukraine that... after all, it demonstrates to russia that they take seriously any what are the threats from the russian federation, because today boris pistorius, the german defense minister i mentioned,

arrived in lithuania and he signed the plan for the permanent deployment of the bundeswehr brigade in lithuania. for the first time, there are 5,00 germans on the territory of lithuania. let's listen to what he said pistorius never before bundes. per did not deploy his troops on a permanent basis outside germany with a fixed contingent of soldiers. in the past, missions have always been temporary and variable. this is happening for the first time. let me remind you that we are talking about 4,800 soldiers and about 200 civilians who will begin their mission on a permanent basis as early as 2027. and the head of the lithuanian foreign policy department, gabrielus lasbergis. stated that if we do not respond adequately to a war of aggression raging in our immediate vicinity, it can lead to irreparable consequences. let's listen to lansbergis. no matter how painful it

is for our countries, the times are returning when borders appear again in europe. fortunately, it's not the berlin wall this time, but what we're seeing now in ukraine may... determine which city will have to give this wall a new name in the event of a disaster? mr. general, since you know very well how the western countries, the leaders of the western countries and the western ministries of defense of ukraine, the western ministries of defense reacted europe, please, since the beginning of 2014, what was the reaction to the beginning of hostilities by the russians on the territory of ukraine, how... why did the attitude to the war in ukraine change in western europe, in the countries of western europe, and how much it can help us in the current situation, taking into account the fact that the congress

of the united states of america is delaying the funding of ukraine, and there is a package of 61 billion dollars, this issue has not yet been resolved through congress, the germans promise to help us until this help is not there, or does western europe already understand? what is the war in ukraine? i understand, but once again i want to notice , to point out that we need to strengthen our strategic communications with those countries that support us, and even those that do not, and how we can tell more effectively in every country in europe, having at least 10-15 minutes on some such central channel, where in the language of the country we are talking about, ukrainian presenters told the daily truth about the russian-ukrainian war, this would be our best support, and if the military of

europe understands, then... at certain moments politicians, not all countries have matured yet, or not all strata of politicians have matured to this threat that we are talking about, so our task is to communicate, to tell the truth, and this will be exactly the basis of support that we are talking about, and the question that is not only the united states and germany must support us, everything depends on us , we will remain silent, the russians will say and everyone will believe the russians, we will say, then we must... we must receive the support we dream of, well, not only depends on our wishes, and in addition, europe wants to see how we are changing in the middle of the country, how we are raising the issue of improving our economy, which concerns the provision of the armed forces of ukraine with our own resources, plus they want to see how we still fight corruption, many issues depend on us and we... can

handle it, but when the politicians are distracted by fighting the fireflies, and considering the threat in the person of the commander-in-chief, instead of dealing with problems at home, let them get down to work at the local level self-governing bodies and central authorities, then the situation would probably be better, mr. general, and the very end is a very short question, i hope for a short answer, former ambassador of... ukraine in great britain prystaiko said that the british command does not rule out sending their troops to ukraine. he says that in great britain a plan is being developed to send expeditionary forces to ukraine, this is not happening publicly, and official london can resort to such a step in the event that if the situation at the front becomes catastrophic. how likely is this? knowing the british, they never throw a word to the navi.

and as for mr. prystayk, he probably has better information, well, let's wait when the british themselves will say about it. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was general serhii krivonos. friends, we work live on the espressu tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these resources, please like this video for for it to be promoted in youtube trends, because i see that on youtube, for example, we are being watched. more than 2000 people at the same time, but not everyone liked it, don't be shy, put it, don't be stingy, because it is important for us to evaluate our work, besides, during this broadcast we conduct a survey, i remind you that we are asking you about this, do you think you fair the current system of mobilization, everything is quite simple in youtube, select yes, no option, or write your comments under this video if you are sitting in front of the tv,

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mobilization in a new way, how it will work, we will try to understand in today's edition of bbc ukraine. i am olga polamaryuk. those who were the first to defend ukraine are asking for the terms of demobilization. and many of those who can replace them are fleeing the country. the personnel crisis in the armed forces comes to the fore, so the government looking for new approaches, what will change and how it will affect servicemen and servicemen. articles about the mobilization in ukraine appeared immediately in several world publications. some write about violations, for example,