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knows, now we all say that they will not be, but here is sociology for you, now we will turn this question to our next guest, our interlocutor, a political technologist, taras zahorodnyi knows very well what is going on around him with such toys, mr. taras, congratulations, glory to ukraine, good morning, glory to the heroes, but why did it suddenly become so crowded on the horizon, why did adults suddenly defend it? ukrainians began to worry about some ratings and began to measure themselves by them. you know, i don't remember for a long time whether there was a requirement of ukrainian legislation that sociological services always show who was the customer of sociological research, if they published who was the customer of sociological research, i think there would be fewer questions about who it is for whom interesting, you know. it is anonymous, and, but

we can go by the saying, if the stars light up, someone needs, uh, yes, therefore , well, well, look, while ukrainians, of course , 80% of ukrainians are now against holding elections, but this situation can change, maybe to change if, for example, mr. zaluzhnyi, conditionally speaking, will be fired. and it can change dramatically, and do you assume that this scenario, in addition to the theoretical one, can have a practical dimension during the actual escalation along the entire front line? no, i'm talking about desire ukrainians, i don't know how it will be implemented, because look, earlier, how different scenarios were considered, how to hold elections, yes, well, from a technical point of view until...

it is quite problematic to hold it at all, then the option of holding electronic voting, but after the story with kyivstar, i think that this question can be dismissed as stupid, simply, it looked like this before this, and it will look like this at all, and yes, of course, that somewhere there are fittings, they are watching that , where and how, well... but in principle it is clear, i think the numbers are there fairly objectively, we have an army, well, in principle, as for a warring country, our special service armies are the first in terms of trust, in the first place is our army, there is how much there is 97%, our sbu is in second place, well, as you know, as in israel, it is khalsad, yes, and so here we have special service armies, you, who are engaged in the destruction of the enemy, so on. of course, that the hard-working man

is understandable, because he heads the army, in fact he is the personification of the army, and moreover, some of our political noses understand that the hard-working man has already...jumped into a completely different category, zaluzhnyi is already a national myth, so good, but look, despite the fact that we have a slight déjà vu, we have already heard it somewhere, this is the army, faith, language, somewhere it was once somewhere, yes, okay, but despite this, you are a very interesting spy-comedy series, a bug in the chief commissar's office and a combatant serozha leshchenko at the microphone, such a... the serial guy went into what's next in the script, what will come of all this and whether after such events the ratings of the brave fly even higher up, someday, maybe down? or, well, they are down they won't fly, that's for sure,

a well-known deputy is actively working on this, the more she imitates her intellectual activity on facebook, the more people have unnecessary questions. and to the faction to which she belongs and who still hasn't kicked her out yet, that's why i'm talking here, if we go back to zaluzhny, this zaluzhny is already a part, i would say, of the state-builder, even the epic of our state, the myth , i would say, and so when other politicians start looking at it, they always have to understand that it's completely different a phenomenon, because... zaluzhny, but the personification of many things, i know, i always say in such cases, dear politicians, and you , please, look at how many articles the people have written about you in 30 years, yes, how many about zaluzhny, well to whom could such lines be

dedicated, ataman slovenly, voivode trushny, ukraine given to the gods, rashi condemned to hell, slovenly valeriy the end of the russian empire, and... sorry, there are quite a few of them. mr. taras, but you know, we live in cynical times, and everyone will immediately say, wait, who are you said that it was made up by the people, or maybe it was the same as, at the very beginning of the invasion , a cartoon about three bagatyrs was circulating all over the internet, where zelenskyi was shot with a grenade launcher, podoliak was shot with a machine gun, and the heroes of ukraine, aristovych from javelino, you understand, remember you are spreading the myth about aristovych the second peer. who said i would be a candidate and where is he now? how does he head putin's fan club somewhere in the outskirts of the russian world, so myths are destroyed, no, no, come on, let's go, let's go, you're talking about cartoons, i i'm talking about songs, and there are more than one of them, but

this is still folk art, and it's not exactly written by steam guns, we must understand this clearly, and the fact that cartoons... everything else is like that, we must also understand , if we talk in general, if we return to the ratings again, alas, alas, alas, for some, alas, it is so, that , well, zaluzhnyy is now such a monumental figure that inspires trust, the main thing , that zaluzhnyi has trust among the military, we must understand this, and we already have an army this is a separate political... institution that is already alive, well, it is the supporting structure of our state, and there is a slightly completely different situation, there is an army, well, at the moment, there are generals in good standing, and there is everything else, here is such a situation, if

we look at sociology as well, will questions be written in order that should be heard at the press conference today? how do you assess this conversation in general, these dialogues that will take place today, we are all waiting, we want to hear, listen, we just had our fill on the eve of putin, everything was prepared there, even criticism in the form of text messages, everything was also controlled, as we will have the longest press conference this time, well, let's not compare it with putin, the situation is completely different there, and so on... and so on, well, after all, in we have the opportunity to come and ask a question, and let's see who will ask the question , no one knows when it's coming, well, let's see, yes, how it will look, i can't tell you anything here, we have to see, well, what will

sound like, which the answer will be zelenskyi, then you can say something, but the question is not in because of what will be said, the question is how it will be heard, it will be interpreted and there will be a correlation with what is happening in reality, because after all, the authorities are already responsible. there are too many, too many things in our country, and how will they be able to do it, here the question is not even in communications, but how often many of our politicians also think that the question is in communications, the question is in what is shown, what is done and what is seen people, here we will see how it will be interpreted, between reality and reality, as they said, and also dejavu word and deed so. good , because look, i, if i were there, i would definitely ask if you, mr. hlavkom, had read

a philosophical book, we are all presidents, by a very famous author, and what philosophical conclusions were drawn from it, this would be my question, and what question would you ask if you got to this press conference, and i asked a question, i asked a question about... when will the national bank of ukraine finally begin to fulfill the function of filling the economy with money to increase the state ordering and sparing of the economy. that's me asked such a question, because what the national bank and bankers are producing now, well, it does not fit into any gate. ugh. here, here i would ask such a question. i think that the president can be asked directly by the head of the nbu, and... the boards of banks and bankers in general, what they are doing, because they have the opportunity

to lend, to lend to the military economy , they do not do this, frankly, they speculate on ovdp, the national bank can now safely pump in approximately uah 400 billion to expand the state order, the ministry of finance can issue state target bonds, the national bank can buy them and that's it. the expansion of the state order can be , as it was done in the 22nd year, when there was a bankruptcy of the banks, what happened to our economy, nothing happened, only the economy did not even notice it, even inflation did not rise much, this is the question of expansion the production of weapons, and the national bank of ukraine and the bankers who seem to live as if nothing is happening in the country should finance it, and this should not be the case if the bankers continue to be themselves behave, here the question arises, why

do we need such bankers in the country, why do they not sit, including with the confiscation of property, which is what i want to see, mr. taras, here you keep an eye on the bankers, i watched as i upgraded to a car fleet in those who are in the government quarter pretend that there is no war, maybe the sheikhs will one day come to the center of the belligerent kiev and look... such cars can be bought in dubai in five years, this is also such a story, you see the government, but the government too, and the government also lives in such a regime, but we have repeatedly we have repeatedly discussed with you the issue of taxing the profits of enterprises working in the defense complex, so far this issue has not been resolved, already a month ago, when a meeting was held at the ministry of defense, where there was a resolution, a resolution was actually agreed, which should resolve this issue . well, mr. shmygai is also arriving, as if this does not concern him, he i see already searches are going on there in

enterprises, he is there pozhmashyny, which is carrying out, which was relocated from pryluk, lviv region, is carrying out, is carrying out a state order the state emergency service, but the court has already come to it and already submitted to the court to return the money, and this is also a question, it is the government and the national bank, they are happening as if nothing in the country. they behave as if nothing is happening, this should be an end to the dance, because then it is simply a threat to national security and defense, and i will simply add to the frank sabotage of the work of the defense complex in the first place, look, i would ask about mendel's philosophical book, so you are talking about bankers, and oksana, you would have asked me about the government and about bankers, and about the government and the bankers, and oksana, what did you ask? 100% asked about this, when finally all these promises and news like,

we start to increase production, we will be able to produce so much that, that's all that's in the future, and not only drones, all that's actually the last month, the tape is just teeming news about what we can and what we will be, and i'm very interested in the timing, when, when it will be, when it will be and what are the actual quantities, sir? taras, i would also like to add to the list of important questions what theses, in what direction should be heard at this press conference, we understand that important matters are related to... and the survival of ukrainians in the rear, but what is the most important thing should be heard today , even uncomfortable questions, right? well , look, i still think that the most important thing now is the organization of the rear, the production of weapons, because nothing else should interest us more, because this is also the reduction of unemployment,

this is also the economic recovery, this is also... and again - after all, this is a question of our survival, we must focus on it, and what by the way, shmyhal still hasn't fulfilled zelensky's instructions, i know that zelensky personally instructed him to solve the issue of corporate income taxation, he still hasn't done it. here the question is, why then such a prime minister, why such a head of the national bank, who is actually sabotaging the development of the economy and the defense order. that's what we should focus on, because we should understand that weapons, weapons are sincere weapons and the transfer of war to the territory of the russian federation, everything else is in reality tangential and secondary, because we must clearly understand that the russians have more demographic resources, simply recruit and find

1 million additional people there, as the russians can do, unfortunately, we cannot. the only thing that we can prevent from this is to nick iron, and this is possible, iron, which should already be filled with new scientific content, it is also the state that should finance these developments, of course, let's see if all this will be heard in the press today conference, the most important thing is not even the questions, but the answers to these questions. taras zahorodnyi, political technologist, thank you for the analysis of the current situation, for participating in the program. and in the meantime , let's pay attention to what is happening in the balkans, because in serbia, their president vučić is very offended by ukrainian european integration, you know, he says, as it were, that ukraine, moldova simply have a turn, because there is a queue in their opinion, and

they do not pay attention to the circumstances, you know how it sometimes happens, there is a queue and it is written, a queue without being outside the queue. and listen, what started? i think that we will now understand what started there, because all of this was somehow very reminiscent of our ukrainian elections and the ukrainian maidan after them, well, at least in the picture, we are in touch with our journalist colleague who worked in ukraine and in serbia, he is now a political scientist, doctor, publicist , doctor of political sciences, boris varga in touch with us, boris, doberdan and glory to ukraine. 46% we won in our imagination, a schoolboy, then a euro-integrator, then a putinophile, then we heard about falsifications, then we saw numerous opposition protests against these elections

, what is happening, is it normal? serbian maidan just traditional stuff or is there supposed to be something to it? almost traditional things, roman, the fact is that vuchys simply takes advantage of the situation, the international circumstances, which are very difficult around ukraine, and makes his own island, his own authoritarian island, that is, the results of the extraordinary elections were very predictable in... the victory by a large margin of the ruling serbian the progressive party of president vučić, they won almost 50% of the voters, and on the other hand, the united opposition under the name of serbia against violence won almost 25% votes, and what was also expected in those

elections is, as you said, the abuse of administrative resources, it is the control of the authorities over the means. mass media, the very large control that ukraine probably experienced during yanukovych's time, it was voter intimidation and vote-buying, which could be observed en masse on social networks, and this is all about it in the reports of international observers, but you know, this this is not shocking news from serbia, učić's party here uses such... such authoritarian methods and means to stay with authorities, and extraordinary elections have already taken place, this is almost their fourth in the last 10 years. his rule, in fact , they start talking about early elections immediately after the government is formed, and then almost a new informal campaign begins, a kind of, you can

say, a political performance, and this is also criticized from the west, that it is a deficit of democracy, uh, so and the composition of the government has not changed significantly over the years, and it does not have the key executive role of serbia, it is the president... aleksandar vučić, for sure, after the elections there were opposition protests, in particular due to the local elections in the capital belgrade, which the opposition had the best chance of winning, this is the only election where the opposition was very close in ratings to the ruling progressive party. you tell us all this, and we know that there are accusations that there were falsifications... falsifications, that there were these carousels, buses were brought from bosnia and herzegovina, and you say that the predicted results,

these falsifications are also predicted they simply had an impact on a small percentage, or something more serious, or they predicted that they would happen such falsifications? well, falsifications are a very common, as they say, serbian phenomenon. elections and special elections, as i spoke about, almost these ordinary decent elections were only one in 10 years, i think that now there is no condition for the serbian maidan, although you could see, in the summer in serbia, the protesting potential grows, protesting because of environmental problems, because of organized crime , that's why... actually the opposition, the serbian opposition, united around the protest that took place in the summer, and this is in connection with the tragic

shooting at a school in belgrade, ugh, but these the protests do not unite the oppositional and political moods of the voters, that is, boris, we understand that this is not yet a maidan, and in this case i only wanted to ask you about one moment of such schizophrenia. because we literally have two minutes left. the schizophrenia lies in the fact that president vučić is very offended by the accelerated european integration for ukraine and moldova. at the same time, you also showed me at one time, and we see, we are watching. at the same time, state policy, like state media, is actually a repetition of russian propaganda in the serbian language putin's fairways. if you sit with your power. in putin's right place in the kremlin, why are you offended by some european integration there, or a cross, or panties, they say in ukraine, why did such schizophrenia arise?

and because serbia and vučić believe that they already have a place in the eu, and that ukraine somehow has an undeserved place in this war, in this crisis, serbia is solving problems in... the western balkans is a key country and can afford such a balance between brussels and moscow, that is, it is a certain, i would call it a game, vučić's political game, to be constantly playing the offended, and to make his own such a non-democratic country, a kind of island where corruption, organized crime can happen... anything, where human rights can deteriorate, to put pressure on mass media information, and this is all in the conditions

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