their desire, first of all, is the baltic countries, this is georgia, and maybe they have developed certain appetites for finland, it is easier with finland, the most important thing, if you are looking for finland, is that there was such a powerful winter, as historical experience shows, er, finland is good at fighting on its own territory and knows how to pack russian troops into swamps and cold, and it is counted in tens of thousands. by the way, putin is already threatening finland, saying that the country's accession to nato only pushes russia there, regarding the deployment of troops and the creation of the leningrad military district, although it was this military district when there was a soviet union. let's listen to what putin said about finland. they took it and dragged it to nato-finland. did we have any disputes with finland? all disputes in... including

those of a territorial nature in the middle of the 20th century were resolved a long time ago, we had the kindest, most cordial relations, economically, everything was developing, yes, there were some problems in the forest complex, but they were connected with the need for forest development and processing within the country, well, that's all nonsense, trifles, in fact, there were no problems, now there will be , because we will now create the leningrad military district and concentrate there, it definitely means that there is always hoo-hoo, it always feels like he is constantly lying and constantly telling lies , in your opinion, or how long will this lie and nonsense, which he himself carries , be consumed in russia, or when will russia finally understand that it is not possible to behave the way they behave, and what they are doing... in ukraine, it is a crime for which

not only the present generation must be held responsible, all the generations that will come after them. unfortunately, there are greedy traces ahead in miskiv of the same level of brotherhoods that exist in russia, let's call it that, for the money that the soldiers of the russian federation receive, they, their relatives are ready to wait, endure and remain silent, and even if they will die, they know that from this... they will make good money, they will receive such money that they would never be able to earn, therefore precisely the financial component and the propaganda component give such a powerful result at this stage, this the first, the second is that, from our point of view, we have absolutely no informational influence on russian citizens, we do not have an informational and psychological operation in the direction of opposing the russians, and this also, let's say... this way

allows the russians to feel confident, no one tells and does not show the truth about the russian-ukrainian war, and this is a problem that we must solve if we want to win this war. well, you mean that these freedoms, the only telethons, simply do not get there, all other e-informational resources are simply not available to the russians, and we cannot do anything about it at all, we do not want to do anything about it, if professionals took part in the processes, we have enough of them, and a huge number of journalists who are called to the ranks of the armed forces, such have a powerful force, correctly set the task, distribute the technical and informational capacity and spin the process in favor of ukraine. the fact that nato still demonstrates to russia that they are serious may be in ukraine's favor. perceive any threats from

on the part of the russian federation, because today boris pistorius, the minister of defense of germany i mentioned, arrived in lithuania and he signed the plan for the permanent deployment of the bundeswehr brigade in lithuania. for the first time, there are 500 germans on the territory of lithuania. let's hear what pistorius said. never before had the bundeswehr deployed its troops on a permanent basis outside nimes. with a fixed contingent of soldiers. in the past, missions have always been temporary and variable. this is happening for the first time. let me remind you that we are talking about 4800 soldiers and about 200 civilians, who will begin their mission on a permanent basis as early as 2027. well, the head of the lithuanian foreign policy department, valus lasbergis , said that if we do not respond properly to an aggressive war. continues

not far from us, then it can lead to irreparable consequences, let's listen to lansbergis again, have you heard? no matter how painful it is for our countries, the times are returning when borders appear again in europe. fortunately, it's not the berlin wall this time, but the what we are seeing now in ukraine may determine which city will have to give this wall a new name in the event of a disaster. mr. general, as you know very well how the western powers, the leaders of the western powers and the western ministries reacted. defense of ukraine, western defense ministries of europe, please tell me, since the beginning of 2014, what was the reaction to the beginning of hostilities by the russians on the territory of ukraine. how do you think the attitude towards the war in ukraine has changed in western europe,

in the countries of western europe, and to what extent does it affect us can help in the current situation, considering that the congress of the united states of america is delaying the finance. ukraine and there is a package of 61 billion dollars, this issue has not yet been resolved through congress, the germans promise to help us until this help does not come, does western europe already understand what the war in ukraine is? i understand, but once again i want to note, to note that we must strengthen our strategic communications with those countries that support us and even those that do not . and how it is possible to tell more effectively on in every country of europe, having at least 10-15 minutes on such a central channel, where in the language of the country we are talking about, ukrainian presenters told the truth about

the russian-ukrainian war every day, this would be our best support, and if the military of europe understands, then in at certain moments , the politics of not all countries have matured or not all. layers of politicians have matured to this threat that we are talking about, so our task is to communicate, to tell the truth, and this will be the basis of support that we are talking about, and the issue that not only the united states, germany must support us, everything depends on us, we will be silent, the russians will say, and everyone will believe the russians, we will say, then we must get the support we dream of, well, not only that. depends on our wishes, and in addition , europe wants to see how we change within the country, how we raise the issue of improving our economy, which concerns the provision of the armed forces of ukraine with our own resources, plus they want to see

how we fight corruption many issues depend on us and we can solve it, but when politicians... are distracted by the fight against the fireflies, and considering the threat in the face of the commander-in-chief, instead of dealing with problems inside the country, let them start working at the level of local self-government and central authorities, then the situation would probably be better. mr. general, and the very end is a very short question, i hope for a short answer, the former ambassador of ukraine to great britain prystaiko said that the british command... does not rule out sending its troops to ukraine, he says that great britain is developing a plan to send expeditionary forces to ukraine, this is not happening publicly, and official london can resort to such a step if the situation in at the front, it will be catastrophic, as far as this

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the armed forces. the 12th package of sanctions from the european union against russia, who will it hit and how hard? the defeat of russia is a guarantee of security in the world. why do western countries delay defeating the aggressor country, what is preventing them? today, friends, in political scientists are visiting us, today is a political science club. volodymyr fisenko, political scientist, chairman of the board of the penta applied political research center. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you. and viktor boberenko, bureau expert. of analysis and politics, mr. viktor , i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast, good health to you, i am glad to welcome you, yes, and we are waiting for the inclusion of ihor reiterovych, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, while mr. igor joins our broadcast, come on, gentlemen, let's start with someone else's ears in

the office or in the room where the head of the armed forces was supposed to be in charge. forces of ukraine , the general staff of the armed forces confirmed that eavesdropping devices were found in several offices where the commanders-in-chief of the armed forces were supposed to work, and zaluzhny himself confirmed today that in fact these devices were found not only in the room where he was supposed to work, but also in other rooms, where should his staff members be, they were found yesterday during a routine inspection of the premises, and the sbu has also already reported what they are doing hereby. in your opinion, what does the service or sub-service to the head of the armed forces have to do with , of course, if there were no such discussions about luzhuj, as a possible candidate for the presidency or as a political figure, then i would not have asked you, of course, because we have there is one enemy, this is russia, and here one could definitely

say that these are external forces, mr. volodymyr, what do you think, in this situation, is it interesting what the head of the armed forces says... internal forces, well, it is so or otherwise is significant news and a subject for investigation, but i have not yet rushed to conclusions, well, me i just feel it, and it is already noticeable, the attention to the internal trail, to the topic of the fact that zaluzhny's opponents are following him and so on, well, in principle, this version is traditional, because in... always everyone is behind everyone are being monitored, major milnichenko's syndrome , well, this monitoring there from the president to everyone else, this is our long-standing and not very good tradition, but today i saw information that these premises, which used to be, let's say, state, then belonged

private structures, and that allegedly these bugs, which were found, well let's say, they are not functional in the first place, they were not connected, that is , they were not part of the listening system, on and if they were not active, the question, then what was the point? if an activated eavesdropping system were to be found, this would be a serious matter of danger, in particular from the point of view of the enemy's interests, and even from the point of view there, if it is some kind of internal intrigue, there they want to listen to a malicious person, they are afraid of a malicious person, but... the system is not activated , so yes, maybe these are the remnants of that total system of service, which was during yanukovych's time, here is one version for you, another version that i also heard, that it is special, the bugs were thrown up to demonstrate, yes, you see, they are following zaluzhny, that is, this is the pr version in favor of

zaluzhny and against his opponents , so the versions can be different, the version about... that it is connected with internal politics is definitely the most popular, here i can tell you that i have already said that these are ancient traditions of ukraine, i once had yushchenko was told the first thing the heads of the special services do when a new one appears the president, they bring him wiretapping data, on everyone, including representatives of his team, what they think about the president himself, what they say about him and so on, well, of course, opponents and... uh, in this way, dependence is formed, dependence on such information, and i think that they also bring a certain obedience to some people, i simply do not doubt it, again, this is an old ukrainian tradition, and there will be people who will do it, but i will just remind you, do you remember the tapes about

medvedchuk, they appeared somewhere in the 18th no, c in the 19th or 20th years, i’m already... i’m wrong, at zelenskyi, yes, yes, but the records were there in the 14th, at the beginning of the 15th years, and they were kept, yes, made, well then i i think that many people were wiretapped in the 14th and 15th years, and then they started to throw it away, and this is also the style of the special services, the wiretapping is thrown in first through, by the way, through the sources of a journalist, and i know very well how it is done, even in my time saw how from... well-known ukrainian journalists were queuing up to get inside information from sivkovich, well, it was back in yanukovych's time, so i say, it's yes... systems a bad system, unfortunately, it persists. thank you, mr. volodymyr, ihor reiterovych connected to our broadcast, joined. mr. igor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining

our broadcast. mr. viktor, what do you think , whose ears were under zaluzhny's table and who, who tried to eavesdrop on him, because mr. volodymyr said that there could be some old bookmarks there. or some ancient devices that could be used by those people who were either in power or in private structures, well, by the way, that's what they said, when melnichenko's recordings appeared, because no one believed that he recorded there on a dictaphone, and that the system that existed in the central committee of the communist party of ukraine, and now it is the building of the office of the president of ukraine, that these old bookmarks could be the bookmarks of the state security committee or the soviet kgb. union and simply the russians could write to them without the knowledge of leonid kuchma's security or security services there? mr.

victor? well, i think that the version with the fact that these are old bookmarks and it was once there in the crooked year of 90, it was bookmarked and it is still there quietly under yanukovych, it was in 2013 even so i think. that it could be them, because after all , they worked in this room, it was checked several times, and i think that a minor, not even a major, but a lieutenant technician will figure out when they were laid, yes, and this version can simply introduce us to the side, here are the main versions, mr. volodymyr, if he were to voice, the only thing i would say is that there can be only one version. i still believe that this is not the syndrome of major milnichenko, the syndrome of colonel maksym maksimovich isayev, aka the standard enfurer

schirlets, that’s why some people who put and they say, for example, to someone in the president's office that we are now going to listen to the industrious, to think there like, that he is going to run for president, he is talking about it with his generals. what else will we check the person there at all, but in fact it could be, well, they say something else, let’s listen, and not the fact that then no, it won’t be on putin’s table in a day, that is, i would consider on the spot with any version of the service, but the espionage version and the political version must be considered unambiguously, and i know how they are treated equally office of the president to general zuluzhny. how evenly, how afraid they are of letting him go ahead in the ratings, yes in the electoral sympathies, and how much the office has nothing else to do, that they can

do it unequivocally, that's why, well, yes, someone will say, well, maybe it was specially set up by those bugs, that's why i'm saying this right now, let's say we have someone from the president's office as a suspect, let's not name... names, but in fact, it's very, very, if, well, this is the most plausible version. thank you, mr. viktor, mr. igor, it so happened that these bugs, or these devices, which were found even before valery zaluzhny entered this office, coincided with the publication of fresh ratings, sociological surveys, regarding trust and how trust in zelensky. gave over the course of the year to zaluzhnyi, according to the data available at the kmis, which conducted a survey literally from

november 29 to december 9, citizens' trust in president zelenskyi decreased from 84% in december 22 to 62% in december 23 year, i.e. quite seriously 22% of falls. trust trust in the armed forces and commander-in-chief valery zaluzhny is respectively 96% in december 22nd, 88% in december 23rd, while 59% of citizens trust both zelensky and zaluzhny at the same time, i don’t know how this can be, probably in this case , maybe, it is exactly the same, i said about it when i was just starting out. scandal, that is, they are equally trusted by the citizens of ukraine, right, no, not equally, many people can be trusted at the same time, and it is not the electoral ratings that matter.

can be distributed only each for each, and you can trust several at the same time. yes, yes, of course. mr. igor, what do you think, the fact that a brave person is rated and he gets into these ratings, into political ratings, among other things, is this normal during the war? well, that's fine, because first of all he 's the commander-in-chief, although he hasn't made any political statements, and if we didn't look at his pictures or any statements, there's no politics at all, but... some of the citizens, well, a significant part of citizens, it keeps the request for new politicians, and looks in the future, and by the way, this request for new politicians is huge, it has not really gone anywhere, while it is even, well, on the one hand, about new faces, and on the other hand, about people who are professionals in their field, and certainly that general zaluzhnyi, he is such a person, a professional in his field, not only with military, but what is very important,

with managerial experience, since he... manages all the armed forces of ukraine in general, has an appropriate level of training, there education and so on, and a person who has the appropriate reputation, and on top of that, by the way, there are not very rational hopes and beliefs in general in the armed forces of ukraine and specifically in the commander-in-chief, so the fact that he appears in these ratings, i do not see anything extraordinary here, and after all , it is completely expected, because it is characteristic of all democratic countries that are, for example, in a state of war. or even if, if they are not in a state of war, such ratings are made there, as a rule, military personnel who retire and officially announce the start of a political career, but we have a somewhat specific situation, and this situation, well, it requires similar decisions, moreover, you know, it seems to me that his appearance specifically in these ratings is precisely the answer to some previous ratings , in which it, well, it was noticeable to the naked eye, was not specially inserted, and

these ratings looked like. it's a little strange, given the conversations and general moods that exist in society, and so then, well, certain companies made conclusions and began to insert it, because, as you know, one wrote an acquaintance of mine, an active serviceman and also a political scientist, he once wrote such a post that he opened the rating, did not see anything useful there, closed the rating, not because he was interested in looking at some of his political prospects there, no, in the context that well, a person is as public as possible, attention is riveted, and it is clear that he should appear in trust ratings, trust ratings, the fact that ratings sometimes appear there, where they are measured in the second round there or in hypothetical elections, is a separate, let's say, history, yes, to things, so far, it seems that the company has not confirmed the rating, is it their rating or not their rating, did they do it or not, but in the case of kmis, everything is honest, everything is clean, the rating is published, it is about trust and so it is absolutely logical that there is a zaluzhna, now clarify to our viewers that this is a rating that was used in the material on the internet...

the ukrainian truth is that it is a closed, closed sociology of the rating was, correctly, i understand, well, there, by the way, not so much in the material ukrainian pravda, the first this rating was published by channels close to office of the president, there was a note that this is a rating conducted by a rating, made by a rating, yes, but i still haven't seen it, by the way, i haven't checked for two days, but i haven't seen the results of this survey on the official website of the rating, for example , with khmis, the situation is simpler, they went the very right way, they made a trust rating that... since we are not talking about elections now, and the numbers there are of course, well , they are indicative enough, the fact that it coincided , you know, with the history of a possible eavesdropping, well , it seems to me that we can talk about certain such, you know, interesting, interesting coincidences, especially since the story , for example, about again, about the fact that it was some old maid who remained there from the former owners and so on, was spread not by representatives, not by

law enforcement representatives there or special and mr. leshchenko, an adviser to the president's office, distributed it, yes, he wrote that these are some old people there, well, an old maid who was there, who stayed and so on. on the other hand, the guru's representative, mr. yusav, he said that it was most likely done by the enemies, and they will investigate this situation in great detail, so we , you know, it doesn't even matter here, as strange as it sounds, where this wiretapping actually came from, why, because it has become a factor to some extent today, well, politicians, by and large because of our domestic policy, for a while. it will still be in the public space, maybe there will be a decline later, but everything will depend on what the inspection will establish, what conclusions will be drawn, and where that favoritism really came from. well, actually, sir volodymyr, i wanted to ask you, everything that will happen around zaluzhny, and all the information that will appear in the public space, well, i don't know, because any, any...